--- Log opened Fri May 16 00:00:04 2014 --- Day changed Fri May 16 2014 00:00 < kanzure> "yes i'd like to test your industrial nuclear submarine please?" 00:00 <@fenn> one long march sample please 00:00 < QuantumG> that whole thing where you meet at the junk yard and say "where's the drugs?" and they're like "where's the money?".. that happens every day in the business world. 00:00 < kanzure> huh? 00:00 < kanzure> that's payment at time of delivery 00:01 <@fenn> and then you throw the briefcases on 3 and everyone shoots everyone else 00:01 < kanzure> see, this is why i know parkour 00:01 < kanzure> night 00:01 <@fenn> so you can swoop in and grab the briefcases after everyone is mostly dead? 00:02 <@fenn> well they have to teach something in business school 00:03 <@fenn> sheena have they identified the genetic markers which make certain dog breeds more "intelligent" or trainable? 00:03 <@fenn> markers is the wrong word.. uh. causal genetic factors 00:05 < sheena> no 00:05 <@fenn> is there even a consensus that some breeds are easier to train than others? 00:06 -!- sapiosexual_ [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06 < sheena> depends on task 00:06 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:07 < sheena> night 00:15 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:34 <@fenn> the difference between cleverpet and simon is (besides the treat dispenser) it logs data to a remote server where it can be analyzed. this could potentially contribute a lot of scientific data to the field of canine and feline intelligence and genetics 00:40 -!- Adifex is now known as Adifex|zzz 00:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:04 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:08 < JayDugger> Cleverpet? Simon? 01:12 <@fenn> wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shetland_Sheepdog7.jpg 01:14 <@fenn> "A bi-blue Shetland Sheepdog with the merling gene. May have blue eyes." 01:20 <@fenn> the Sean Connery of dogs 01:33 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:53 < Vutral> blood agar 01:56 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:00 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- sapiosexual_ is now known as sapiosexual 02:20 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:54 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:21 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:56 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Quit: Life is too short] 05:10 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-160-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:40 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Twey 06:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Twey 07:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28 < sheena> ugh merle genetics suck 07:40 -!- sheena [~home@67.201.165.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45 -!- Guest94310 [~not@100.43.114.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:11 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:16 -!- pads [~not@100.43.114.90] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:16 -!- pads is now known as Guest56297 08:31 < delinquentme> kanzure, TIL clock was a roboot! He was non-participatory is one thing which made me question 08:31 < delinquentme> but at the same time I believe he quoted me :D 08:32 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-160-99.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:33 < delinquentme> On finding either A) a sufficient number of protocols to get their desired yield or B) A protocol with sufficient resolution they believe the desired yield to be fairly certain ... Is there some kind of rule-of-thumb for knowing when you're there? 08:33 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:33 -!- ParahSailin [~parahsail@unaffiliated/parahsailin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:44 < catern> he seems pretty lucid in my logs 08:47 -!- xmj [~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:51 -!- kardan [~kardan@nat-114.westnetz.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:58 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:07 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 -!- kardan [~kardan@nat-114.westnetz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12 < QuantumG> Good evening. This window was left open by my spouse. Am I late to the party? 09:13 < QuantumG> Convert me, recruit me, send me things I might find interesting to read. I dare you. 09:15 < QuantumG> Oh. I see. 09:16 < superkuh> I'm confused. You're QuantumG's spouse? 09:16 < QuantumG> I am indeed. 09:16 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16 < QuantumG> Please don't tell me he's been conducting some fabulous gay affair on irc while we've been doing whatever in reality. Gosh. 09:17 < QuantumG> (Yah, I'm the spouse. Call me Cheese if you like.) 09:17 < delinquentme> QuantumG, convincing you would assume that its optional 09:17 < delinquentme> ( OMGZ TAKEOVAR ) 09:18 < QuantumG> OMG LIEK WTF it is 2:18am here, mr qg is fast asleep. 09:18 < QuantumG> Mrs QG is the nightowl. 09:19 < QuantumG> Shalll I change the nick for clarity? I'm not sure of the guidelines in this particular space. 09:19 -!- QuantumG is now known as Cheesesource 09:19 < Cheesesource> Awww yeah. 09:20 < catern> Cheesesource: ooh, ooh, what other channels is he in? 09:20 < Cheesesource> That's a loaded question 09:21 < Cheesesource> On this monitor we've got IRC (only this #), the cam feed from the front door and twitter. Work monitor resting, rec monitor paused on a forum screen. 09:21 < Cheesesource> At present the cat does NOT want to come in. 09:21 < Cheesesource> That's the most important thing to note from his current display. 09:21 < Cheesesource> Cat rules all. 09:22 < Cheesesource> Enough about this space, what happens in your space? 09:23 < kanzure> Cheesesource: your husband is living a double life fighting the demons of the internet 09:23 < Cheesesource> Don't tell me you're a single monitor, single user household with no sexy spouse, no awesome pets, no significant dreams for a better world. I'd be so disappointed. 09:24 < Cheesesource> kazure: au contraire, that is why I married him.. 09:24 < kanzure> he told us stories of your epic struggle against leaf blowers 09:24 < Cheesesource> We fight together. 09:25 < Cheesesource> He knows nothing of my midnight crusades against these people. 09:25 < Cheesesource> That is my secret. The less he knows, the less he suffers! 09:26 < Cheesesource> (Meh, I just steal buds from plants in their gardens. Our garden looks AWESOME thanks to jerks and their leafblowers) 09:26 < Cheesesource> (I have to be reasonably intoxicated at 3am on nights with a full moon (enough light) for this to happen.) 09:27 < Cheesesource> So HI! Have I contributed enough to your channel logs yet? 09:27 < kanzure> yes you hvae filled up the entropy meters 09:28 < kanzure> looks like openworm is going to fall short of their $100k goal: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openworm/openworm-a-digital-organism-in-your-browser 09:29 < chris_99> awh shame 09:31 < Cheesesource> Hrm. existenz flashbacks. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/ 09:32 < Cheesesource> An ambitious goal, without the backing. 09:32 < kanzure> they already wrote most of the code, i can't remember why they want more money 09:32 < Cheesesource> Because money. Duh. 09:33 < Cheesesource> Sorry, I'm a coder with intense desire for luxury items. 09:33 < chris_99> do they plan on doing comparisons with actual c. elegans (sp?) 09:33 < Cheesesource> Money is awesome. It has nothing to do with project outcomes. 09:33 < kanzure> i was only commenting on your "without the backing" comment-- they have already achieved most of their goals i think 09:34 < superkuh> At least the ISEE-3 recovery crowdfunding went through. 09:34 < Cheesesource> In the video on the kickstarter page they bothered to take the 'co-founder' to an ocean background: they want your money, this is all show, this is dream-like, give us your cash. 09:35 < kanzure> oh, that's because lars0n is trying to hide his extreme nerdery 09:35 < Cheesesource> At this point it's all about dream, nothing about reality. A large portion of contributors have never seen the ocean. 09:36 < Cheesesource> I see his extreme nerdery. I love extreme nerdery. I made it a hobby several years ago. 09:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 < Cheesesource> Like a violinist dying to show her talents despite being stuck in a wheelchair, many people have talents hidden behind social stigmas. 09:37 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 09:38 < Cheesesource> ...I just started watching the video. I apologise for everything I've said on the subject. Fuck this dude, he's an idiot. 09:39 < Cheesesource> (Raised on TNG. Ooops.) 09:39 < kanzure> you seem to be bored, have some things to play with: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer 09:39 < Cheesesource> Oooh. 09:39 < Cheesesource> I would, but this isn't my machine. 09:40 < Cheesesource> I was only passing by to turn off the light in this office. My office is somewhere else in the house. 09:41 < Cheesesource> Except it's very very late friday night, and I'm very very drunk at this point in the evening. 09:42 < Cheesesource> It's my job to maintain the house, wear makeup, love him all the way to the bottom of the jar (tm) and understand what he's talking about since I'm also an engineer. 09:43 < Cheesesource> Aaaand despite being highly intoxicated, I'm also verbose. 09:44 < kanzure> biologists are not always good for your health 09:45 < Cheesesource> I just can't keep up. 09:46 < Cheesesource> It's a bit strange that they didn't let him into the labs, given his field. 09:46 < kanzure> they are territorial 09:47 -!- chido [chidori@pasky.or.cz] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:48 < Cheesesource> Seriously, no commercial application there. HA! 09:49 < Cheesesource> It mad me sad, they were legit and useful. Alas, I'm only a software engineer. What do I know? 09:51 < Cheesesource> (from what I understand, this is true hproadmap stuff) 09:51 < kanzure> we have been known to engage in various levels of mad science 09:51 < kanzure> so, yes 09:51 < Cheesesource> I appreciate and encourage mad science. 09:52 < Cheesesource> I'd offer you vodka, but I'm a miser. 09:52 < Cheesesource> Since I'm new here, is there a crossover between this group and libertarians? 09:54 < Cheesesource> On my campus, the libertarians are the group that imbibe with the most enthusiasm. 09:54 < kanzure> i don't think we have anything explicitly libertarian, 09:55 < kanzure> most of hplusroadmap technology is more like the word liberation, as in enabling, rather than political 09:55 < Cheesesource> Neat. That means I won't have to endure the weekly quiz. 09:56 < kanzure> all of the libertarians i know are latched on to bitcoin these days 09:56 < Cheesesource> That's a relief. The libertarians I met were certainly agenda-driven. 09:56 < Cheesesource> I love my bitcoins. 09:56 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:56 < Cheesesource> Alas, i do not love the bitcoins I lost in the mt gox tragedy recently. 09:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:57 < kanzure> well, you can always make it up with dogecoin 09:57 < Cheesesource> er... 09:57 < Cheesesource> not really. 09:57 < kanzure> heh :) 09:57 < Cheesesource> Given the amount I'd invested, the amount I lost. 09:58 < Cheesesource> Seriously 09:58 < Cheesesource> You'd cry if you saw the numbers. 09:58 < Cheesesource> I've got faith in ridiculous internet shit. Occasionally it pays off. 09:58 < Cheesesource> And sometimes, it just makes you cry. 09:58 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < kanzure> https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.rebeccablacktech.com%2Fboards%2Fg%2Fimg%2F0403%2F21%2F1392470527900.jpg&t=539&c=awfA2ozpvHRjyw 09:59 < Cheesesource> mtgox? Tears upon tears upon tears. 09:59 < Cheesesource> Um. 09:59 < kanzure> i may have enough bitcoins to offset your loss 10:00 < Cheesesource> I'm pleased that you do :) 10:00 < kanzure> that was a half-meant offer 10:00 < Cheesesource> I only 'invested' that which I could spare at the time, so I'm not at a loss. 10:01 < Cheesesource> It was one of those zeitgeist things. Say you did so you could say you did, etc. 10:02 < Cheesesource> Oh, I'd never ask anyone to comp my fun :) 10:02 < Cheesesource> and fun it was, I traded and traded and traded, I did quite well until that monster shut down on me. Bah! 10:03 < Cheesesource> Are your investments holding well? 10:03 < kanzure> have you heard the human expression, "laughing all the way to the bank"? 10:04 < Cheesesource> I'm extremely pleased to hear that someone is. 10:04 < Cheesesource> genuinely :D 10:04 < kanzure> .ety laughing all the way to the bank 10:04 < yoleaux> Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. 10:05 < Cheesesource> "doing extremely well to the point of extreme success" 10:05 < Cheesesource> yoleaux: are you human or a bot? 10:06 < Cheesesource> (apologies to humans) 10:06 < Cheesesource> And I've just noticed QG uses firefox on this machine. Whaaaaat. 10:07 -!- gradstudentbot [~gradstude@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:07 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: are you done writing that paper yet? 10:07 < gradstudentbot> Right, I just finished coauthoring a related manuscript. 10:07 < Cheesesource> I SAW THAT! 10:08 < Cheesesource> Alas, I cannot focus my eyesight to find out what happened. I'm still typing though. WHOA! 10:09 < Cheesesource> Maybe it was a HEY MY CAT IS IN THE DOORWAY 10:09 < Cheesesource> Nah, just kidding. Hi! 10:09 < Cheesesource> And this is why we never trust QG's wife. Agreed? 10:11 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:11 < Cheesesource> No comment. 10:13 < Cheesesource> My genuine suggestion for the hproadmap thing is finding a way to block the whatever receptors that are responsible (generally) for alcohol,stimulants and depressants. Just kill it. 10:14 < kanzure> i believe there is a specific allele in a gene that is responsible for preventing hangovers 10:14 < Cheesesource> It won't help to have those things on space ships, colonies, new continents, or anything else. Uninformed opinion right here. 10:14 < kanzure> i forget the name of the allele 10:14 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:14 < Cheesesource> Hangovers aren't the problem, as far as I can see 10:14 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 < kanzure> famous last words 10:15 < Cheesesource> Er, unless you know who you're talking to, that is. 10:15 < Cheesesource> O HAI, MEGASUPERALCOHOLFAN! 10:16 < Cheesesource> addiction, escapism, injury, organ failuire. 10:16 < Cheesesource> er, failure 10:16 < Cheesesource> (also typos) 10:18 < Cheesesource> For the little I know about the roadmap planned here, I'd pay money for the alcohol aspect to be limited in 10:18 < Cheesesource> expectation of future successes. 10:19 < Cheesesource> Hangovers have zero to do with it. 10:20 < Cheesesource> Are you yourself an addict of any sort? Reliant on substance, prescription or otherwise? 10:20 < Cheesesource> It's a big call. 10:21 < Cheesesource> People will do the things they must for the things they need. 10:21 < Cheesesource> If you can eliminate the need then the saying goes they'll beat a path to your door 10:22 < Cheesesource> but a crack addict will not be traversing that path til their supply is exhausted. 10:22 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yourjfsmmtvtizxk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:23 < Cheesesource> So defines the new elite: got there first 10:23 < Cheesesource> And since I've clearly board you all to death, goodnight! 10:24 -!- Cheesesource is now known as QuantumG 10:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 < QuantumG> Bored. Oh, I've embarrassed myself with drunken shenanigans again. WOE! 10:29 < QuantumG> Hey, at least didn't insult anyone directly. High five! Goodnight! 10:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 < QuantumG> 10:39 < delinquentme> Does anyone have a way of getting affinity columns REALLY inexpensively from GE? 10:42 < QuantumG> I just checked groupon: no. 10:42 < QuantumG> I'm well out of my depth on that one. I apologise. 10:44 < QuantumG> (ps: synthesize synthesize synthesize!) 10:44 < QuantumG> ...Anyway. Hi from an outsider. Have a lovely day. 10:50 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@pool-71-255-241-91.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 < chris_99> has anyone looked into building an electrolaser out of curiousity 11:15 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:00 < kanzure> 11:32 < brlcad> kanzure: wow, I'm surprised that I don't see a way to extrude a sketch other than completely manually 12:00 < kanzure> 11:33 < brlcad> looks like nobody bothered to create an mk_extrude() interface 12:03 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11 -!- cpopell is now known as cpopell`gym 12:14 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:14 < Mokstar> Rawr! 12:29 -!- ptrac3 [~ptrac3@unaffiliated/ptrac3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 < Mokstar> jrayhawk, you going to the meetup saturday? 12:39 < kanzure> ptrac3: hi 12:39 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.5.173] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@78.174.5.173] has quit [Changing host] 12:39 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 < ptrac3> hi kanzure 12:49 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@c-71-202-232-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:51 < kanzure> .title http://spin.atomicobject.com/2014/05/16/radio-system-from-scratch/ 12:51 < chris_99> did someone mention something here about implanting embryos in completely different animals 12:51 < yoleaux> Setting Up a Radio System from Scratch 12:51 < chris_99> to what the embryo was 12:52 < chris_99> what's that called? 12:52 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7757224 12:53 < kanzure> http://blog.glowingplant.com/post/85922974558/how-we-raised-484k-on-kickstarter-to-make-glowing 12:53 < yoleaux> How we raised $484k on Kickstarter to make Glowing Plants 12:54 < kanzure> "As part of this research we learnt that 80% of projects that get to 20% of their funding succeed, so this became a core planning goal. We realized that getting to 20% would be easier if we closed a few big backers early on so we went on the road and sold those rewards in person, sometimes giving them additional perks as part of the package. One of these was a $10k backer, Cambrian Genomics," 12:54 < kanzure> wow, i was right about them dumping in their own money 12:54 < kanzure> i'm not convinced that it was cambrian genomics that donated the money though. they probably did it out of their own wallet, and then got cambrian genomics to reimburse them. 12:56 < kanzure> "PR Agency: We had a good conversion rate (2-8% depending on source), so figured more traffic would lead to more conversions and hired an agency that contacted us. They got a few articles but nothing compared with what we did ourselves, journalists want to talk directly to the founders you don’t need a middle man." 12:58 < kanzure> an 8% conversion rate? 12:58 < gradstudentbot> Yeah, I don't know. 12:59 < ParahSailin> i thought they had to give up the kickstarter money 13:00 < chris_99> nmz787, be thee around 13:02 < kanzure> nope, kickstarter did the ban after their campaign ended 13:02 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7752528 13:02 < yoleaux> Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors 13:02 < kanzure> .title https://www.liftlabsdesign.com/ 13:02 < yoleaux> Tremor in Hands, Adaptive Equipment for Eating, Essential/Benign Tremor – Lift Labs 13:03 < kanzure> it uses a battery? 13:03 < kanzure> hah, rigorous testing: https://www.liftlabsdesign.com/img/shakerVideo.mp4 13:17 < Mokstar> why'd they ban glowing plants? 13:17 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-66-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 < ParahSailin> the new gluten paper was published a year ago, or is there a 2014 one 13:20 < Mokstar> whaaat 13:20 < Mokstar> "Projects cannot offer genetically modified organisms as a reward" 13:20 < ParahSailin> kanzure: thats why a sociopathic twist on the narrative 13:20 < ParahSailin> quite a 13:24 < ParahSailin> hm i dont see mention of the word headache in this paper 13:24 < ParahSailin> i guess it was limited to people claiming GI symptoms? 13:32 < kanzure> argh why is there both TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder1_1.cxx and TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder1_2.cxx 13:36 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:37 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:45 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@c-71-202-232-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:48 <@jrayhawk> Mokstar: LW, or something else? 13:48 < Mokstar> LW 13:49 <@jrayhawk> Don't know; I was planning on going climbing today and tomorrow would be a recovery day. At the very least I'll be showing up briefly to drop Erica off, probably. 13:50 <@jrayhawk> Recovery days can beat up on my cognitive capacities enough that in-person social interaction becomes offputtingly stunted. 13:50 < Mokstar> fair enough 13:51 <@jrayhawk> Speaking of which, are you ever interested in bouldering? 13:51 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 < Mokstar> in the interest of doing things I have never done before on the off-chance that I'd love them, yes 13:52 <@jrayhawk> Okay, I'll see if I can shove you on that mailing list. You can always remove yourself later. 13:52 < Mokstar> picking up heavy things and putting them down again has its charm, but climbing heavy things sounds like it'd be more satisfying in the short term 13:53 < Mokstar> is it terribly expensive? 13:53 <@jrayhawk> Certainly helps out with mobility and proprioception. 13:53 <@jrayhawk> Depends on how you do it. $12 for one day pass + $4 shoe rental. 13:53 < Mokstar> or is the cost limited to medical treatment in case of an accident? :p 13:54 < Mokstar> thanks! 13:54 <@jrayhawk> I have done a couple hundred hours and never seen anything more substantial than a sprained ankle or mild chiropractic problem. 13:54 <@jrayhawk> In myself or the people around me. 13:55 < Mokstar> I used to climb rocks a lot as a child, but back then we only called it "Oh-my-god-what-are-you-doing-get-down-from-there-now" 13:56 <@jrayhawk> That is a tragic sort of parenting. 13:56 < Mokstar> it's the standard stuff these days 13:57 < Mokstar> I try to be understanding of my 5-year old son's derring-do 13:57 < Mokstar> time to teach DHCP 13:57 < Mokstar> bbl 14:11 < ielo> hey 14:11 <@jrayhawk> If it's a reasonably healthy five year old, they'll probably be happy on the beginner routes. 14:11 < ielo> can someone answer a question about neutrino oscillation and a 2 flavour approximation mixing matrix 14:11 <@jrayhawk> And can thus hang with us with minimal social inconvenience. 14:12 < ielo> hey fenn do you know much about neutrino oscillation 14:23 <@jrayhawk> kanzure: does counterparty need a less terrible irc server 14:27 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@95.5.113.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@95.5.113.184] has quit [Changing host] 14:27 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:28 -!- cpopell`gym is now known as cpopell`werk 14:30 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:31 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Client Quit] 14:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.113.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.113.184] has quit [Changing host] 14:31 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 < kanzure> jrayhawk: they are using irc.freenode.net #xcp and stopped using their own irc server 14:35 <@jrayhawk> ah 14:38 < gradstudentbot> How many papers do you have published? 14:42 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 < eudoxia> gradstudentbot: well how many papers have *you* published? check and mate, mister 14:45 < gradstudentbot> That's definitely a Nature paper. 14:45 < kanzure> he's the most prolific author in robohistory 14:56 < kanzure> ParahSailin: i forgot about this one, 14:56 < kanzure> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-identify-new-antibiotics-at-home-with-the-iliad-project 15:00 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-55-66-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:14 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 15:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:18 < cpopell`werk> paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10845-012-0723-9 15:18 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Therblig-based%20energy%20demand%20modeling%20methodology%20of%20machining%20process%20to%20support%20intelligent%20manufacturing.pdf 15:22 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@mobile-198-228-214-154.mycingular.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 < kanzure> tomkinsc: hi 15:25 -!- tomkinsc [~tomkinsc@mobile-198-228-214-154.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33 < kanzure> just hanging out http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/max-more-alcor.jpg 15:33 < kanzure> they totally need a skeleton to prop up and play cards with 15:35 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Adifex|zzz, smeaaagle 15:35 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ivan` 15:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: smeaaagle, Adifex|zzz 15:37 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:37 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:43 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 15:46 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:49 < delinquentme> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 15:50 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- wontons [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 < wontons> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 15:51 < delinquentme> interesting! 15:51 < wontons> kanzure, am I banned from paperbot? 15:51 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51 -!- wontons [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 15:52 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 < kanzure> .title 15:53 < yoleaux> [Isolation and character... [Zhongguo Yi Xue Ke Xue Yuan Xue Bao. 1989] 15:53 < kanzure> no, i think it's just broken 15:54 < delinquentme> poor dude 15:59 < kanzure> needs to be rewritten to be less insane 16:13 < Mokstar> jrayhawk, I'm gonna have to take a rain-check tonight, my SO already claimed tonight for a meetup 16:17 < kanzure> tmux session manager https://github.com/tony/tmuxp 16:17 -!- ptrac3 [~ptrac3@unaffiliated/ptrac3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18 < kanzure> "In one of the recent releases tmux switched from starting new panes in $PWD to $HOME. I am sure they had their reasons but the new behavior is terrible for me. To get the old behavior back (AKA new pane in current working directory) add the following to ~/.tmux.conf bind c neww -c '#{pane_current_path}' " 16:19 < kanzure> "Zero-based indexing is sure great in programming languages, but not so much in terminal multiplexers where that zero is all the way on the other side of the keyboard. set -g base-index 1" 16:19 < kanzure> huh i guess it is on the right 16:20 <@jrayhawk> Mokstar: right-o, there's always later weeks 16:20 < Mokstar> do you ever go climb actual boulders? 16:20 < Mokstar> this looked interesting: http://www.portlandrockclimbs.com/portland-bouldering 16:21 <@jrayhawk> http://thecircuitgym.com/ is where we usually go. 16:21 <@jrayhawk> Actual boulders require a somewhat longer drive. 16:21 < kanzure> ParahSailin: "WSJ photo is fed firefly luciferin" 16:21 < kanzure> ParahSailin: from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7757224 16:22 < Mokstar> neat, new terminology 16:22 < Mokstar> "problems" 16:26 < kanzure> "you yourself are not going to be improving photosynthesis; people have been trying that for years. But feel free to be liberal. Assume the theoretical maximum 10% photosynthetic conversion. Give ball-park optimistic numbers that are literature precedented maxima (for example how well C3, C4, and CAM plants store energy)... Isn't it irresponsible to be doing this without even a back-of-the-envelope calculation?" 16:26 < kanzure> "um, 30 second exposure with 4000 ISO can take pictuers in near absolute dark without a light (I do microscopic photography).... but OK. Is this enough to actually illuminate things more than 10 feet away? Do you have an idea of what the max achievable illumination (quantum efficiencysurface areaflorophore denstiy)?" 16:28 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@13-152-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:36 < kanzure> fenn: did you ever use opencascade's DRAWEXE tool? 16:36 < kanzure> the tcl one 16:39 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:44 < kanzure> Draw[18]> help wrotate 16:44 < kanzure> wrotate : Rotates wires on a face : wrotate f[use]/c[ut] result shape Angle/[FFrom] FUntil OX OY OZ DX DY DZ SkecthFace wire1 [wire2 ....] 16:47 < kanzure> mesure M : create/reset measurement M 16:47 < kanzure> wonderful spelling consistency 16:47 < kanzure> mesure minmax M : take 'xmin ymin xmax ymax' from M 16:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:52 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:58 < kanzure> this is a terrible way to check which command a user gave you: https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/blob/master/src/BRepTest/BRepTest_TopologyCommands.cxx#L71 17:06 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 < kanzure> suchcellular.com should be the name of the first doge-backed entrant to big pharma 17:24 < kanzure> not worth your time, but here's someone trying to impose his rule of law regarding self-modification of brain function http://www.openthefuture.com/2014/05/magna_cortica.html 17:29 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:30 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:47 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@13-152-15.connect.netcom.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 17:49 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.131.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:50 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.136.65] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:52 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://content.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1201137 17:52 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8f15b0e4a14972dcfb795ce171b43adb.txt 17:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:59 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < kanzure> //Attention : 18:00 < kanzure> //To avoid use of persistent tables in the fields 18:00 < kanzure> //the tables are dimensioned to the maximum (TheNbKnots and TheNbPoles) 18:00 < kanzure> wow they bothered to cite a paper in the source code 18:00 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00 < kanzure> Rational B-spline for Curve and Surface Representation Wayne Tiller CADG September 1983 18:01 < delinquentme> Thats a good thing right? 18:01 < delinquentme> I'd be impressed 18:02 < kanzure> their source code is the worst 18:02 < kanzure> french, english, russian, sometimes all three at the same time 18:05 < delinquentme> http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/173/173ra25.short << Cool so We've actually DONE this 18:05 < delinquentme> HHA 18:06 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3005503 18:06 < delinquentme> thats awesome. 18:07 < delinquentme> pepsin and HCl 18:07 < delinquentme> 54 hours. 18:15 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 18:19 < delinquentme> kanzure, does paperbot have per-domain adapters ? For example with the above NCBI link 18:19 < delinquentme> I'm not finding the string "ncbi" within the project 18:21 < delinquentme> And his archiving operations are per libgen.org only right? If not, are there advantages to dumping links from r/scholar to him ? 18:28 < kanzure> paperbot is a perplexing piece of technology.. the answer to your adapter question is both yes and no. 18:28 < kanzure> it saves files to http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ 18:35 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:43 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7758406 18:50 < yoleaux> FDA Dangles Golden Ticket to Spur Drugs for Neglected Diseases 18:50 < kanzure> http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/05/16/291972744/fda-dangles-golden-ticket-to-spur-drugs-for-neglected-diseases 18:51 < kanzure> "Knight Therapeutics is looking to sell the voucher to the highest bidder." 18:51 < kanzure> "Health economist David Ridley, faculty director of the health program at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business, and two colleagues sketched out the voucher idea in the journal Health Affairs back in 2006. A year later, vouchers made it into law, and in 2008 the FDA laid out the rules for companies to follow." 18:51 < kanzure> paperbot: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/313.abstract 18:51 < kanzure> .title 18:51 < yoleaux> Developing Drugs For Developing Countries 18:51 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1377%2Fhlthaff.25.2.313 18:51 < kanzure> how did that get into law so quickly? 18:55 < delinquentme> They're selling vouchers ? 18:56 < delinquentme> how the shit is that supposed to be helpful? 19:05 < delinquentme> and kanzure what about the adapters for NCBI ? 19:05 < delinquentme> is there something specific for that website in there? Or in a working case does it just nab the DOI? 19:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 < kanzure> it's whatever's in https://github.com/zotero/translation-server and https://github.com/zotero/translators 19:07 < kanzure> and then whatever's in paperbot's python module thing 19:09 < ParahSailin> i think if it goes to libgen, that url was handled by my part 19:09 < ParahSailin> fun project for someone with an interest in having a better paperbot 19:09 < kanzure> less fun project, remove zotero and convert their translators into something usable without gecko/xulrunner 19:12 -!- pyotra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-211-62-84.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-80-225-198.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:47 < kanzure> is this file really necessary? >:| https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/AppCont/AppCont_ContMatrices_4.cxx 19:52 -!- pyotra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:53 < ParahSailin> thats the only way to do huge literals like that 19:58 -!- catern [~catern@catern.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04 -!- AshleyWaffle_ is now known as AshleyWaffle 20:04 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:10 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, I appreciate the direction :D 20:10 < delinquentme> So I'm kind of freaking out right now 20:10 < ParahSailin> ill tell you exactly where to start 20:10 < ParahSailin> instead of parsing libgen pages for whether the pdf is found, just do a HEAD on the predicted url of the pdf 20:10 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, you designed the libegen upload operation? 20:11 < ParahSailin> there is no libgen upload operation, it is subtly broken 20:11 < delinquentme> sure . If the URL is consistent 20:11 < ParahSailin> this sort of url is always consistent http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1377%2Fhlthaff.25.2.313 20:13 < ParahSailin> do a HEAD on those urls and only spit it out to channel if 200 20:13 < delinquentme> Is there a feature request? 20:13 < ParahSailin> feature request is you and everyone else complaining it doesnt work 20:14 < ParahSailin> the most commonly requested feature is to work 20:14 < delinquentme> Do we know anyone @ libgen? 20:15 < ParahSailin> no 20:15 < delinquentme> I'm also wondering if thats the least taxing way to run that query 20:15 < ParahSailin> HEAD 20:15 < delinquentme> yeah I heard the first time 20:16 < ParahSailin> read "thats" as "whats" 20:20 < kanzure> other feature requests are here https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues 20:21 < delinquentme> Is bethencourt the closet thing we have within our group of friends who works in market dev in biotech? 20:21 < delinquentme> yeah thats what I had meant 20:21 < delinquentme> and like tag me in it 20:23 < gradstudentbot> Got halfway through figuring out all the cell signalling molecules in psoriasis when the cells died and the data couldn't be replicated, so psoriasis is really hard to cure guys don't get it 20:23 < ParahSailin> market dev? 20:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:25 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 < delinquentme> yeah ParahSailin . Specifically alternative markets 20:51 < delinquentme> ( for an existing product ) ... this is what I'm working on right nao 20:59 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:06 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:30 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:30 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:30 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:00 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:02 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, Is there a string I can grep for to locate this bit of subtly broken code? 22:03 < ParahSailin> libgen 22:04 < ParahSailin> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py line 77 is where an attempt at procedure to upload starts 22:05 < AshleyWaffle> http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/05/14/14766/tech-super-pac-startups-could-tap-billions 22:05 < AshleyWaffle> ParahSailin: libgen is awesome 22:05 < ParahSailin> er sorry disregard, what i said was wrong 22:07 < ParahSailin> looks like the broken upload code is gone, good riddance 22:08 < gradstudentbot> Wow, I'm definitely not including this data in the paper. 22:08 < ParahSailin> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/scihub.py this has libgen upload 22:09 < delinquentme> if response.status_code == 200 and response.content != "[]": 22:10 < delinquentme> ok cool so given publishers should be stored in the modules 22:10 < ParahSailin> no, forget that one, that is zotero business 22:10 < delinquentme> hence why NCBI is non-functional 22:10 < kanzure> no... 22:10 < kanzure> why the fuck do you never listen 22:10 < delinquentme> Oh yeah you said that shit up in hte logs 22:10 < delinquentme> dont worry about it 22:10 < kanzure> yes 22:11 < ParahSailin> delinquentme: so if you figure out how to make that libgen() work to upload, you win the game 22:20 < kanzure> wow realpath is not a debian default? 22:25 < kanzure> ah because it is useless 22:28 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:31 < kanzure> i wonder how much of this is new http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die 22:33 < kanzure> maybe they could arrange the cars into pixel art for advertisements, and collect money from people looking at the satellite images 22:47 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47 -!- AshleyWaffle [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:50 < delinquentme> not bad! 22:51 < delinquentme> dude. that is amazing. 23:00 < QuantumG> paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0092867494903018 23:00 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3d422f97f6832fa450e5b241a112d17f.txt 23:01 < kanzure> Purchase 23:01 < kanzure> no luck, sorry 23:01 < QuantumG> dang.. tis weird 23:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: do you have any wizard tools for generating call graphs or other useful things for analyzing obscenely large shitpiles of code? 23:03 < QuantumG> dotty? 23:03 < kanzure> the graphviz thing? 23:03 < QuantumG> short answer, no 23:03 < QuantumG> yeah, with lots of grep foo 23:03 < QuantumG> what sort of code? 23:03 < kanzure> i am running clang/opt/llvm stuff on some source code, but maybe there's something better 23:04 < kanzure> this stuff: https://github.com/tpaviot/oce 23:05 < QuantumG> yeah, fun 23:06 < QuantumG> class inheritance and class member relationships are the place to start 23:06 < QuantumG> graphs do help there 23:06 < kanzure> all classes are like one layer of inheritance only, and then lots of uh.. includes. 23:06 < kanzure> with 2000 different entry points 23:07 < QuantumG> and if you then want to dig into what types get passed to methods, that's useful too but I've never had graphs help me there 23:07 < gradstudentbot> Who the hell stole my pipette? 23:10 < delinquentme> So I keep talking to people who are claiming that synthetically created products will inherently be more pure 23:11 < kanzure> what units is purity, again? 23:11 < delinquentme> This is assuming that you've got clean media that you're growing the cell line on... but is this simply because we've got starting cell lines which are inherently inbred to shit? 23:11 < delinquentme> haha 23:11 < delinquentme> IDK how ot answer that sorry. I'm a bit brain fried right now 23:12 < delinquentme> I'd agree that the starting organism is simpler , so that could lend itself to less complexity of possible compounds 23:16 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:19 < ebowden> Are we talking about engineering organisms to produce useful compounds that might be prohibitively expensive otherwise? 23:22 < delinquentme> ebowden, its definitely more of an upfront investment in time ... I'd guess money as well ... but if we're talking about something that we'd want to take to clinical ASAP... purity can be a HUGE benefit 23:22 < ebowden> Well, you can probably get good purity if you are biosynthesising the compound. 23:23 < ebowden> There are probably some purification steps you can follow that would give you an end product of good purity. 23:23 < ebowden> Is this generally the case? 23:24 < ebowden> (I'm no expert, for sure.) 23:25 < ebowden> Also, are we talking about any particular compound or class of compounds? 23:52 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljqnmnkbdrefisxx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:57 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat May 17 00:00:07 2014