--- Log opened Sun May 18 00:00:08 2014
00:00 <@fenn> Jan Torgersen and Jürgen Stampfl, a professor at TU Vienna's Institute of Materials Science and Technology
00:00 < cpopell`werk> er, I'm curious about the motors used to move the mirrors and at what precision they control it
00:01 < gradstudentbot> The autoclave smells really good.
00:01 <@fenn> galvanometers are typically analog PID loop control and the precision is related to the SNR of the system, it's a tradeoff between speed and precision
00:01 < cpopell`werk> okay, so what's the maximum precision
00:01 <@fenn> absolute precision in mm or whatever is a crappy metric when dealing with hugely varying length scales
00:02 <@fenn> that cathedral is 50um wide so probably 1um?
00:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4d3ed626 Bryan Bishop: define more opencascade packages >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
00:03 <@fenn> i'm not sure if they were going for "as small as possible" or "as fast as possible"
00:03 < kanzure> hrm the geom packages need to be sorted
00:03 < gradstudentbot> You don't happen to have any more virgin flies, do you?
00:13 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:15 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
00:15 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d75-156-88-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
00:23 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:24 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Client Quit]
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
00:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
00:49 < delinquentme> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009286741300456X
00:49 < delinquentme> paperbot,
00:50 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009286741300456X
00:50 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6e44e0121ee6a630c2676119c11e6d36.txt
00:52 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
01:01 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:03 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.112.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:03 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.112.158] has quit [Changing host]
01:03 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:13 -!- Auctus [~Auctus@unaffiliated/auctus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
01:17 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
01:18 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.112.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:18 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@95.5.112.158] has quit [Changing host]
01:18 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:19 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Client Quit]
01:20 -!- Auctus [~Auctus@unaffiliated/auctus] has joined ##hplusroadmap
01:26 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:33 <@fenn> can you feel it smotchkiss http://fennetic.net/irc/tab_dump.2014-05-18
02:06 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:16 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.136.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
02:18 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.136.65] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:29 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
02:46 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
02:49 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.136.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
03:02 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:16 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
03:28 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@67.176.51.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
03:30 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:48 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap
03:59 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:22 -!- ielo [~ielo@134.219.227.35] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:30 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:37 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@58.169.106.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap
04:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
05:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:27 -!- xrr [~xrr@73.254.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap
05:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@58.169.106.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:06 -!- kardan [~kardan@2001:470:75b7:1049:21a:73ff:fe78:785e] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:13 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
06:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
06:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:21 -!- xmj [~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:36 -!- xrr [~xrr@73.254.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:36 -!- escapist [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:38 < escapist> Is their any transhumanistic party in any country?
06:41 -!- xrr [~xrr@73.254.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:42 < kanzure> the italians have one, but it's mostly about fighting the other italian transhumanist political party
06:42 < kanzure> fenn: not enough tabs
06:47 -!- escapist [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
06:50 -!- escapist [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap
06:51 < escapist> kanzure ,  do you know there website/political programm?
06:59 < xrr> I'm looking for the transcriptome of human zygote, any thoughts?
07:06 < kanzure> escapist: no, and i don't recommend you look either. it's a huge waste of time.
07:08 < kanzure> xrr: of a human zygote? that's going to be tough to find i think
07:08 < escapist> ok, for school i have to "found" a political party, and i thought i would be interesting see classmates reacting to transhuman thought's.
07:09 < kanzure> 1) you should drop out of school 2) do not model anything after the italian transhumanist political parties, because they spend 100% of their resources on bickering
07:09 < escapist> What are the ten most important points for a liberal transhumanist parties the 10 goal's.
07:10 < kanzure> i am not going to do your homework for you
07:10 < kanzure> it's considered annoying to ask others to do your work for you
07:11 < ParahSailin> basically same species http://www.publish.csiro.au/paper/RDv25n1Ab218
07:12 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:12 < escapist> OK, i havent see things like this , you are right i ask other to do my work, indirectly.
07:14 < escapist> But when do you already thought about this theme a lot, it is only natural to share opinions or experiences, in my opinion. You can call it lazy, yes it is.
07:16 < escapist> But is lazyness and prevent other from reeingeninring stuff they are already invented not the point that pushed the Open Software and Hacker movement most?
07:17 < escapist> kanzure do you agree on that point?
07:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@185.5.8.81] has quit [Changing host]
07:17 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:19 < kanzure> just copy whatever fucking pirate party you like and call it quits
07:19 < xrr> ParahSailin: thanks, yeah, I guess a similar species is good enough, I found these articles http://goo.gl/UeIPNU and http://goo.gl/arf5qP that sequence human zygote, but haven't found any raw data
07:21 < ParahSailin> xrr: let me tell you about paperbot
07:21 -!- escapist [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
07:21 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007844
07:21 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Transcriptome%20Profiling%20of%20Human%20Pre-Implantation%20Development.pdf
07:21 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
07:22 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature12364
07:22 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7b84d77cfc0a658522f60e91dee43f82.txt
07:25 -!- nsh [~nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap
07:25 < ParahSailin> xrr: well let me tell you about libgen which works all the time http://libgen.org:8089/scimag/?s=10.1038%2Fnature12364&siteid=&v=&i=&p=&redirect=1
07:29 < xrr> ParahSailin: thanks, paperbot is nice
07:36 < kanzure> i don't think dx.doi.org links are supposed to work on paperbot yet?
07:40 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
07:43 < xrr> kanzure: the txt seems to be the full article in html. It lacks graphs and formatting, but better than nothing. Libgen seems to output a pdf. Magic :)
08:28 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap
08:32 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
08:38 < ParahSailin> kanzure: they used to work
08:48 < kanzure> xrr: paperbot dumps html when it gets confused, mostly for debugging, but sometimes you get lucky
08:49 < kanzure> it's based on a principle of time travel
08:50 < kanzure> dredd is a good movie
09:05 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
09:12 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:17 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:22 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
09:31 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:31 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
09:31 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
09:34 < kanzure> "In 1988 Haas started production on a fully enclosed CNC machining center priced well below the competition. Some believed Haas copied or reverse engineered this machine but at the time existing machines were so hard to use that Haas used them as an example of what not to do. Over time, Haas machine tools became extremely popular, mostly because they are simple, very affordable, and because the in-house designed computer control is ...
09:34 < kanzure> ... operator-friendly (no soft-keys or cryptic menus).[2]"
09:34 < kanzure> "By 1996, Haas had outgrown its facilities in Chatsworth, California and began a search that ultimately brought it to Oxnard, California. In March 1997, the move was completed into the Oxnard factory, a 420,000-square-foot (39,000 m2) facility. By 2005, the factory had been expanded to 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m2)."
09:35 < kanzure> "On the morning of June 19, 2006, Haas was arrested by IRS agents for investigation of filing false tax returns, witness intimidation, and conspiracy.[15] ... He was sentenced to 2 years in a federal prison and ordered to pay 75 million dollars in restitution."
09:35 < kanzure> huh
09:36 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
09:37 < kanzure> haas machines were cheaper than the competition? don't they cost like $400k?
09:37 < kanzure> what could the competitors have possibly been charging?
09:59 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:03 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
10:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
10:24 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
10:25 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:26 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:31 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
10:35 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:52 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:52 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
10:52 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
10:53 -!- agentsmith2 [~lolzilla@wsip-68-15-25-20.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8d57d5e8 Bryan Bishop: opencascade geometry-related packages >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
11:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2cd7c990 Bryan Bishop: opencascade intersection-related packages >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
11:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e2a039b9 Bryan Bishop: opencascade packages about boundary representation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
11:02 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b7a30fe5 Bryan Bishop: classify some opencascade packages >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
11:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
11:20 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:25 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
11:27 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@37-48-38-232.tmcz.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:29 <@_archels> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-54gBLwK3s
11:29 < yoleaux> The Shanghai Maglev Train - 250mph - from WINDING ROAD
11:37 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
11:42 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@37-48-38-232.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
11:47 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
11:52 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
11:57 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:14 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:14 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
12:14 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:18 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:19 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
12:27 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:27 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
12:27 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:41 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:41 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
12:41 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
12:45 -!- kardan [~kardan@2001:470:75b7:1049:21a:73ff:fe78:785e] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
12:46 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
12:54 < kanzure> ooh, clang-format-3.5 -style=WebKit Intrv_Interval.lxx
12:54 < kanzure> predefined styles are WebKit, Google, Mozilla, Chromium, etc
12:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
13:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:08 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:08 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
13:08 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:13 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
13:14 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
13:16 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:22 -!- agentsmith2 [~lolzilla@wsip-68-15-25-20.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit []
13:35 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:40 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
13:50 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:52 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap
13:57 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
14:02 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:05 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:07 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
14:08 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:11 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:18 < kanzure> BRepAlgoAPI is really just a wrapper around BOPAlgo/BOPAlgo_Builder.cxx BOPAlgo_Builder::PerformInternal
14:27 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:29 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:32 < kanzure> .title http://syrris.com/
14:33 < yoleaux> Flow reactors, microreactors and productivity tools for R&D Chemists
14:33 < kanzure> reactor thing: http://syrris.com/batch-products/atlas-overview
14:33 < kanzure> "We specialize in systems that require large vessels (>5L), elevated pressures (>3 bar) or high temperatures (>250°C), alongside automation and datalogging."
14:34 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:34 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
14:35 < kanzure> they own http://www.dolomite-microfluidics.com/
14:36 < kanzure> http://www.dolomite-microfluidics.com/images/stories/PDFs/application_notes/Miniaturisation_of_Gas_Chromatography_%20Equipment_%20-_%20application%20note.pdf
14:39 -!- ielo [~ielo@134.219.227.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
14:40 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:42 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
14:53 -!- xrr [~xrr@73.254.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:56 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
14:56 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
14:56 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:02 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
15:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kyknos, ElixirVitae
15:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nsh
15:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: drewbot, ThomasEgi, xmj, yashgaroth, Guest56297
15:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: rk[1], streety
15:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: EnLilaSko, @jrayhawk, Viper168, Auctus
15:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @_archels
15:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: andytoshi, echo[1], lichen, qba, paperbot, superkuh, cpopell`werk, gradstudentbot
15:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: devrandom, Urchin, audy
15:16 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: phryk
15:16 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: catern
15:16 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: juri_, d3vz3r0, helleshin, apex
15:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: AshleyWaffle
15:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Twey, ParahSailin
15:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: justanotheruser
15:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: HEx1, dbolser
15:17 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: yorick, augur
15:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Daeken, sivoais, @fenn, ruphos
15:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: brownies, balrog, saurik
15:18 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:18 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration (4 times) | http://gnusha.org/logs http://diyhpl.us/wiki
15:18 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@131.252.130.248] [Sun Apr 27 17:38:20 2014]
15:18 [Users ##hplusroadmap]
15:18 [@_archels    ] [ catern        ] [ helleshin      ] [ realzies  ] 
15:18 [@fenn        ] [ cluckj        ] [ HEx1           ] [ rk[1]     ] 
15:18 [@jrayhawk    ] [ cpopell`werk  ] [ juri_          ] [ ruphos    ] 
15:18 [ _Sol_       ] [ d3vz3r0       ] [ justanotheruser] [ saurik    ] 
15:18 [ andytoshi   ] [ Daeken        ] [ kanzure        ] [ sivoais   ] 
15:18 [ apex        ] [ dbolser       ] [ kyknos         ] [ streety   ] 
15:18 [ AshleyWaffle] [ devrandom     ] [ lichen         ] [ superkuh  ] 
15:18 [ Auctus      ] [ dingo         ] [ nmz787         ] [ ThomasEgi ] 
15:18 [ audy        ] [ drewbot       ] [ nsh            ] [ Twey      ] 
15:18 [ augur       ] [ echo[1]       ] [ paperbot       ] [ Urchin    ] 
15:18 [ balrog      ] [ ElixirVitae   ] [ ParahSailin    ] [ Viper168  ] 
15:18 [ bkero       ] [ gnusha        ] [ phryk          ] [ xmj       ] 
15:18 [ blueskin    ] [ gradstudentbot] [ qba            ] [ yashgaroth] 
15:18 [ brownies    ] [ Guest56297    ] [ QuantumG       ] [ yoleaux   ] 
15:18 [ Burninate   ] [ heath         ] [ rayston        ] [ yorick    ] 
15:18 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 60 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 57 normal]
15:18 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010
15:18 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 7 secs
15:19 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-67-176-51-230.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- Adifex [Adifex@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe6e:f4e8] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- strages__ [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wyvfsqnlmdoykvkm] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- juul1 [~juul@static.2.202.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- 17SAACSBC [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:19 -!- 17SAABU7E [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:20 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
15:20 -!- 17SAABU7E [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe]
15:20 -!- ivan` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:20 -!- 17SAACSBC [dingo@1984.ws] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:22 < kanzure> fenn, so i finished sorting through the packages
15:22 < kanzure> but there's 35 that i have classified as "curve algorithms"
15:22 < gradstudentbot> His lab is so awkward.
15:22 < kanzure> i was trying to count how many times they have implemented parabolas :x
15:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
15:24 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:28 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:38 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:42 < kanzure> https://github.com/dabeaz/bitey "The performance profile of Bitey is going to be virtually identical that of using ctypes. LLVM bitcode is translated to native machine code and Bitey builds a ctypes-based interface to it in exactly the same manner as a normal C library."
15:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:47 < QuantumG> oh, one thing you could do, if you don't want the pain of parsing C++ code, is read the debug symbols
15:48 < QuantumG> I'm guessing you're compiling for some linux flavor.. DWARF symbols aren't that hard to understand and will tell you everything you want to know about your program.
15:51 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:53 < nsh> .wik DWARF symbols
15:53 < yoleaux> "DWARF is a widely used, standardized debugging data format. DWARF was originally designed along with Executable and Linkable Format (ELF), although it is independent of object file formats." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWARF
15:55 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
15:55 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@154.122.26.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:56 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@154.122.26.164] has quit [Client Quit]
15:57 < QuantumG> http://www.sde.cs.titech.ac.jp/~gondow/dwarf2-xml/ <- people should do more like that
15:57 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@154.122.26.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap
15:58 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1038
15:58 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ee6cfb39238d73a27fdab690bcbd2cc8.txt
16:02 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
16:03 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:03 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-198-83-248.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
16:04 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-198-83-248.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:05 < kanzure> QuantumG: oh, i threw llvm at it, so now i have a few hundred megs of llvm IR code sitting around
16:05 < QuantumG> enjoy that
16:06 < QuantumG> I like the debug symbols approach because it doesn't involve installing a new compiler :)
16:07 < kanzure> somehow i think installing a compiler isn't the problematic portion of my plan?
16:07 < QuantumG> I don't even know your plan
16:08 < kanzure> me either
16:08 <@fenn> to try and take over the WORLD
16:08 < kanzure> i think it involves deleting all this shit code
16:14 < QuantumG> part of me really wants to write a web based software visualization tool
16:14 < QuantumG> I keep it under control though
16:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
16:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:23 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
16:24 < kanzure> what is this thing called? http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/2x4747744/concentrating_surgeon_performing_operation_in_operating_room_28614.jpg
16:24 -!- ielo [~ielo@host-78-149-133-99.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
16:24 < kanzure> QuantumG: obviously what we need is a giant source code collider, where the files are split up into tiny reads and then reassembled using a gold-something algorithm
16:26 < QuantumG> super collider? I hardly knew her!
16:32 < kanzure> PerformInternal is basically the same in https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/BOPAlgo/BOPAlgo_Builder.cxx and https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/BOPAlgo/BOPAlgo_BOP.cxx
16:32 < kanzure> guesses why?
16:40 < kanzure> oh, the one in BOPAlgo_BOP::PerformInternal has a BuildShape() in there that the other one doens't
16:45 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:50 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
16:53 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
16:53 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
16:53 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:06 < nsh> QuantumG, software visualization?
17:06 < nsh> you mean like a text editor or what?
17:07 < nsh> or some kinda mad CPU where you can see all the robots inside fighting each other with giant trouts to the sound of manic minor music?
17:08 < kanzure> presumably, the context is related to the terrible source code i've been pecking at
17:08 < QuantumG> I mean like a class viewer
17:08 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade
17:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=25e3459f Bryan Bishop: the intervals package is used only for hidden lines removal >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
17:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ec3fa554 Bryan Bishop: BOPAlgo notes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
17:09 <@fenn> .title http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/chi/chi.html
17:09 < yoleaux> Doom as an Interface for Process Management
17:09 < kanzure> code is mostly undocumented, lots of "packages", comments in 3 different languages (when there is a comment, it's never the right language)
17:09 < dingo>  remember that
17:09 < dingo> thats like 15 years old hehe
17:10 < kanzure> dingo, were you around at the company when the pre-python product was used?
17:10 < dingo> nop
17:10 < dingo> :)
17:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@119.17.42.146] has quit [Changing host]
17:11 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:18 -!- Qfwfq [~Qfwfq@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
17:20 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:20 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:20 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
17:31 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@154.122.26.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
17:32 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:34 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:36 -!- ptoyra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap
17:39 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:44 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
18:06 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
18:12 < kanzure> if (iErr) myErrorStatus=30; // SolidBuilder failed
18:17 -!- kyknos [~kyknos@89.233.130.143] has joined ##hplusroadmap
18:32 < kanzure> "Unconstrained Paving & Plastering: A New Idea for All Hexahedral Mesh Generation", Proceedings, 14th International Meshing Roundtable, Springer-Verlag, pp.399-416, September 11-14 2005
18:36 < kanzure> fenn, we could also just go to this http://www.opencascade.org/support/training/occofficetrain/
19:34 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=23121087 Bryan Bishop: just following the boolean operations algorithms >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/
19:37 -!- ptoyra [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has left ##hplusroadmap []
19:45 < kanzure> http://www.3ds.com/press-releases/single/dassault-systemes-signs-agreement-to-acquire-matra-datavisions-subsidiary/
19:45 < kanzure> "Paris, France, February 24, 1999 -- Dassault Systemes S.A. and Matra Datavision today announced that they have signed a definitive agreement whereby Dassault Systemes will acquire Matra Datavision’s EUCLID(d) STYLER, EUCLID MACHINIST, STRIM(d) and STRIMFLOW(d) technologies and associated expertise for FF 200 million. The company announced the proposed acquisition on December 8, 1998."
19:45 < kanzure> $200 million FF for this stuff?
19:45 < kanzure> i wonder if solidworks got any of it. solidworks was already pretty good by 1998, right?
19:46 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:46 < kanzure> "Pursuant to this agreement, Dassault Systemes will acquire a Matra Datavision subsidiary that owns the software products and will have access to the full license of Matra Datavision CAS.CADE(d) technology. This enables Dassault Systemes to expand its offerings, specifically in surface and free-form modeling, numerical control machining (NC) and plastic injection simulation."
19:46 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
19:46 < kanzure> "In 1997 Dassault, best known for its CATIA CAD software, acquired SolidWorks for $310 million in stock."
19:47 < kanzure> hrm, so solidworks probably does not have opencascade code in it
19:49 < kanzure> and it was using parasolid anyway
19:59 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:00 <@fenn> only if i get unlimited cheesecake
20:01 <@fenn> you realize it's in france right
20:02 <@fenn> http://www.opencascade.org/ex/images/448_primitivescompr_t_130.gif
20:04 <@fenn> is a fillet specifically a circular radius or is it just a minimal surface?
20:04 <@fenn> i am looking at this wondering if it's correct http://www.opencascade.org/ex/images/450_topologycompr_t_130.gif
20:11 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-173-66-15-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:20 < kanzure> what's wrong with going to france?
20:20 < QuantumG> other than the french.
20:21 < kanzure> going in person is sort of stupid anyway, you're right
20:21 < kanzure> maybe just their email support. i wonder how much they'd charge me.
20:23 < QuantumG> what for?
20:23 < kanzure> to gut them
20:23 < kanzure> plundering etc
20:26 < kanzure> fenn, do you know what "pave filler" stuff is? it's something in the boolean operations library that occurs before fuse, cut, common, etc.
20:32 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:32 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
20:32 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:39 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-198-83-248.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:39 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-198-179-227.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap
20:43 <@fenn> i don't really understand the problem they're trying to solve. why does a shape need to be covered in tiny quadrilaterals?
20:45 < kanzure> maybe they aren't doing nurbs intersection and instead they are doing meshing?
20:47 <@fenn> are they trying to use single polynomial surfaces for each "paver"?
20:47 <@fenn> like, one for X and one for Y
20:47 <@fenn> with height in Z
20:48 < kanzure> .tr fr en pave
20:48 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.tr) crashed.
20:50 < kanzure> one of their "pave" files is the 98th largest in the project, https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/blob/master/src/BOPAlgo/BOPAlgo_PaveFiller_6.cxx
20:52 < kanzure> BOPAlgo_PaveFiller::PutClosingPaveOnCurve
20:52 < kanzure> so a "pave" is a thing that can be put on a curve?
21:02 <@fenn> it may just be their name fro quadilateral: http://www.opencascade.org/ex/images/454_chamfercompr_t_130.gif
21:03 <@fenn> or quadricurvial: http://www.opencascade.org/ex/images/460_standfeatcompr_t_130.gif
21:03 <@fenn> that oval thingy doesn't really fit, but maybe they have some filter to automatically remove the seam before displaying it
21:04 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:06 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
21:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
21:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:18 < kanzure> TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_PaveSet.cdl ---Purpose:- -- class providing an exploration of a set of vertices to build edges.-- It is similar to LoopSet from TopOpeBRepBuild where Loop is Pave.
21:20 <@fenn> grep "Pave is" src/ -R
21:20 < kanzure> .d pave
21:20 < kanzure> .ety pave
21:20 < yoleaux> pave (v.): "early 14c., "to cover (a street) with stones or other material," from Old French paver "to pave" (12c.), perhaps a back-formation from Old French pavement or else from Vulgar Latin *pavare, from Latin pavire "to beat, ram, tread down," from  …" — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=pave
21:21 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.d) took too long to process.
21:21 <@fenn> .wik pave
21:21 < kanzure> might have something to do with interference
21:21 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: Pave" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pave
21:22 <@fenn> "To cover something with paving slabs."
21:22 < kanzure> "The class BOPDS_Pave is to store-- information about vertex on an edge-"
21:23 <@fenn> maybe it's an acronym, "point and vertex edge" ?
21:24 <@fenn> "parameter and vertex edge"
21:24 <@fenn> i dunno
21:25 < kanzure> // 1. Find PaveBlocks that are go through nV for nF
21:27 < kanzure> // PV = Parametrized vertex, VI = interference vertex
21:28 < kanzure> that's from TopOpeBRepBuild_PaveSet::Prepare, which seems to have the most documentation
21:29 < kanzure> https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_PaveSet.cxx
21:31 < kanzure> ah, section 4.4 has documentation on pave blocks... http://docs.salome-platform.org/salome_7_3_0/gui/GEOM/SALOME_BOA_PA.pdf
21:32 < kanzure> oops, one section up (4.3)
21:32 <@fenn> aParam - value of the parameter of the vertex on an edge 
21:33 <@fenn> guess i was right!
21:33 <@fenn> from BOPTools_Pave.cdl
21:35 <@fenn> this whole style of programming is so alien to me
21:36 < kanzure> nPnt, nPntCol, nPPVIntf, "aren't the meanings obvious??"
21:36 <@fenn> well even the documentation is bizarre
21:37 < kanzure> i wonder who they are writing for
21:37 <@fenn> great. googling "cdl file cxx" turns up OpenCASCADE
21:37 < kanzure> why would a vertex take a parameter?
21:38 < kanzure> yeah, they had their own custom little language
21:38 < kanzure> that they used for submitting their svn repo to some buildfarm
21:38 < kanzure> and each package of source code got to have that custom langugae file
21:38 <@fenn> isn't there a law against that
21:38 < kanzure> "Cascade Definition Language" (CDL)
21:38 < gradstudentbot> Can I get Saturday off?
21:40 < kanzure> i still don't understand this pave stuff
21:40 < kanzure> why does a vertex need a parameter?
21:40 <@fenn> do they mean vertex like where two edges meet, or vertex as in a triangle mesh?
21:41 <@fenn> sorry, two "wires"
21:41 <@fenn> (i hate that word)
21:41 -!- entelechy [~elysium@190.211.94.19] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:42 < kanzure> their documentation actually uses the separation between geometry and topology as an excuse for why they have both edges and wires
21:42 < kanzure> see my explanation here, http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade
21:42 < kanzure> now, whether or not they adhere to that, who fucking knows
21:46 <@fenn> for all the nPnt style shortening, there sure is a lot of Standard_Boolean crap
21:46 <@fenn> does c++ not have the equivalent of "import x as y" or "import from"
21:47 <@fenn> is everything globally namespaced?
21:47 <@fenn> it looks like the Pave code deals with edges
21:47 < kanzure> using namespace std;
21:48 <@fenn> why do they always have ridiculously long class names then
21:48 < kanzure> pave stuff has a lot of stuff... PerformVV, PerformVE, PerformEV, PerformEE, PerformEF, PerformVF, etc
21:48 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:48 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
21:48 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
21:48 < kanzure> the start of their classname is the package name
21:49 < kanzure> (folder name)
21:49 -!- Mokstarboush [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
21:49 <@fenn> hm i guess it's only one level deep after all: "TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder::GdumpORIPARPNT(v.Orientation(),p,BRep_Tool::Pnt(v));"
21:50 <@fenn> this is what using an IDE gets you
21:50 <@fenn> the ability to make unreadable code
21:50 < kanzure> i think the TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder stuff might be deprecated, not sure
21:51 < gradstudentbot> The fluorescent microscope is broken.
21:51 <@fenn> yea it was ifdef'd
21:51 < kanzure> oce/src/BOPAlgo$ grep -r "TopOpeBRepBuild" *
21:51 < kanzure> nada
21:52 < kanzure> although it may be used by a dependency
21:53 < kanzure> i bet they use single letters because both (1) "how else is it going to fit in our heads?" and (2) "that's how it's done in the math papers, it's never been done differently"
21:54 <@fenn> can an edge have any shape or is it limited?
21:54 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
21:55 < kanzure> hm this is blank: TopoDS/TopoDS_Edge.cxx
21:55 < kanzure> dunno
21:55 <@fenn> oh i don't mind the single letters as much as the mix between long words and large numbers of glommed together contractions and punctuation and single letters
21:55 < kanzure> "Edge - a shape corresponding to a curve, and bound by a vertex at each extremity"
21:56 < kanzure> (their definition)
21:56 <@fenn> yeah but can it be a circle? a helix? a curve that is hard to represent with a single quintic polynomial?
21:58 <@fenn> i know a wire can do these things because i've done it
21:58 <@fenn> (seriously why didn't they call it a spline)
21:58 < kanzure> "Wire - a sequence of edges connected by their vertices"
21:58 < gradstudentbot> I think more research is required.
21:58 < juri_> i agree.
21:59 <@fenn> ok gradstudentbot, thanks for the advice
21:59 < gradstudentbot> The protocol is wrong.
22:02 <@fenn> "A face with 3D underlying geometry" is such a terrible way to think about things
22:03 <@fenn> there's geometry, and then there's tesselation of that geometry, and the tesselation is just a representation of the geometry that you can throw at a GPU
22:04 <@fenn> brl-cad has "bag of triangles" to refer to something that's actually made of triangles
22:05 < kanzure> i'm curious how the nurbs boolean operations work against surfaces that aren't nurbs, like a geometric primitive shape thing
22:05 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:05 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
22:05 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:05 < juri_> taken a look at implicitcad?
22:05 <@fenn> they probably convert the primitive into nurbs and then do nurbs-nurbs operations on it
22:06 < kanzure> the primitive might not be a primitive anymore, but a csg thing of primitives?
22:06 < kanzure> i guess they don't do csg really, so that wouldn't be a problem?
22:06 <@fenn> this would explain why it's so slow
22:07 <@fenn> also the csg kinda randomly explodes
22:07 < kanzure> i don't see evidence that it's doing that, yet
22:07 <@fenn> little bits of geometry everywhere
22:07 <@fenn> not a pretty sight
22:08 <@fenn> juri_: yes, it's cool, needs work. looks like the author abandoned it shortly after the first draft was complete
22:08 < kanzure> i chat with olah pretty frequently, maybe i can coerce him if you'd like me to
22:09 < kanzure> s/pretty frequently/more than you'd expect
22:09 <@fenn> greater than zero, then
22:14 < kanzure> here is where "cascade definition language" is from: http://dev.opencascade.org/doc/overview/html/occt_dev_guides__building_wok.html
22:14 < kanzure> http://dev.opencascade.org/doc/overview/html/occt_dev_guides__cdl.html
22:22 <@fenn> what the fuck is that shit
22:22 <@fenn> get it off me! get it off me!
22:22 <@fenn> aaaaah!
22:26 < kanzure> what's the point of salome, again?
22:26 < kanzure> it repeats a lot of opencascade code
22:27 < kanzure> http://git.salome-platform.org/gitweb/
22:27 < kanzure> https://git.salome-platform.org/gitweb/?p=modules/geom.git;a=tree;f=src;h=e73b92237f9efa951c8082b9102c834bf01ce3f8;hb=HEAD
22:29 < kanzure> ACIS import/export, neat https://git.salome-platform.org/gitweb/?p=plugins/acisplugin.git;a=tree;f=src;h=7a4f277bc785aaf3eaa89c2f544ec07bf3f7e7d6;hb=HEAD
22:29 < kanzure> oh, only if you have the acis license bleh
22:31 <@fenn> how do they know you have the license
22:33 < kanzure> acis only distributes the library to you if you have a license
22:33 < kanzure> otherwise you don't have the header files and stuff
22:33 < kanzure> or the library
22:33 < kanzure> i wonder if the boolean operations are more cleanly implemented in salome
22:34 < kanzure> https://git.salome-platform.org/gitweb/?p=modules/geom.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/GEOMImpl/GEOMImpl_BooleanDriver.cxx;hb=HEAD
22:34 < kanzure> #include <BRepAlgo.hxx>
22:34 < kanzure> looks like it's using the same code under the hood, but i don't see an opencascade dependency?
22:40 < kanzure> heh "The class BRepCheck_Analyzer is just hand-made tool that has its own problems. Examples of such
22:40 < kanzure> problems"
22:40 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@252-223-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:48 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@78.174.33.25] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:48 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@78.174.33.25] has quit [Changing host]
22:48 -!- Shehrazad [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap
22:50 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
23:01 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@252-223-15.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:01 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
23:07 < kanzure> fenn, here is your answer?
23:07 < kanzure> // Depth of self-intersection check (see BOPAlgo_CheckerSI::SetLevelOfCheck() for more details)
23:07 < kanzure> // Default value for BOPAlgo_CheckerSI gives very long computation when checking face-to-face intersections;
23:07 < kanzure> // here check level is decreased to more appropriate value to avoid problems with performance).
23:07 < kanzure> #define BOP_SELF_INTERSECTIONS_LEVEL 4
23:07 < kanzure> from https://git.salome-platform.org/gitweb/?p=modules/geom.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/GEOMImpl/GEOMImpl_PartitionDriver.cxx;hb=HEAD
23:10 < juri_> fenn: i'm planning to use it to model car parts. looks like very cool stuff to me.
23:12 <@fenn> i haven't actually used it
23:15 < kanzure> huh? i thought you wrote a thing with it
23:16 < kanzure> was that me?
23:16 < kanzure> there were entire objects
23:16 < kanzure> and images were produced, there's evidence somewhere
23:16 < kanzure> "In 1999, there were around 400,000 STEM PhDs in the US, but only 70,000 STEM academic faculty positions available. Today, there are over 800,000 STEM PhDs, but only around 100,000 STEM faculty positions [2]." http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v31/n10/fig_tab/nbt.2706_F1.html
23:16 < kanzure> 800k phds? yeesh
23:17 < QuantumG> it's almost like the education system isn't self-perpetuating!
23:19 < QuantumG> those 730,000 PhDs might actually have to get real jobs. :(
23:26 <@fenn> uh, "it" was in reference to implicitcad
23:27 < kanzure> yeah, i know
23:27 <@fenn> GOD IS WATCHING YOU https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Stmary4.jpg
23:28 <@fenn> you know most churches are designed by atheists
23:29 < gradstudentbot> Man, if only I could biopsy his organs.
23:33 < cpopell`werk> how many Ph.D. specific jobs were there, tho?
23:34 < kanzure> that's hard to figure out, because a phd person can just lie and say he doesn't have a phd in order to get whatever job he wants
23:35 < kanzure> so even if the job doesn't report that it has a phd person occupying the station, it still may be a phd bearer
23:35 < QuantumG> and there's plenty of jobs where it's an actual asset or at worst neutral
23:36 < QuantumG> Every US company I've worked for had PhDs in top engineering positions, for example.
23:45 < QuantumG> https://www.vmware.com/in/company/leadership/ole-agesen 15 years, dude.
23:45 < kanzure> HE's the one responsible for vsphere?
23:45 < kanzure> gah
23:45 < kanzure> fucking vsphere aged me like 40 years in a month
23:46 < kanzure> when i started i was a young girl, look at me now
23:47 < kanzure> this is an approximation http://www.redcarpetnewstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/dredd2.jpg
23:48 -!- xrr [~xrr@73.254.35.213.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:49 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-106-3.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:50 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:50 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@c-24-21-241-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host]
23:50 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has joined ##hplusroadmap
23:58 -!- Mokstar [~Mokstar@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
23:59 < QuantumG> on a different matter, I find it somewhat frustrating when people get upset at you for talking down to them after they've just gotten upset with you for being too subtle. It's like, hey, do you want me to treat you like you know what you're talking about or do you want it explained to you, choose.
--- Log closed Mon May 19 00:00:09 2014