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00:41 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.aa.25.090187.000503
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08:41 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.49.100195.003431
08:41 < kanzure> .title
08:41 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.mi.49.100195.003431
08:41 < yoleaux> An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
08:42 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.31.100177.000543
08:42 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.mi.31.100177.000543
08:42 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.29.100175.000315
08:44 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.217
08:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.micro.53.1.217
08:44 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.54.1.735
08:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.micro.54.1.735
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09:00 < kanzure> "Impalefection is a method of introducing DNA bound to a surface of a nanofiber that is inserted into a cell. This approach can also be implemented with arrays of nanofibers that are introduced into large numbers of cells and intact tissue."
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09:22 < kanzure> http://www.thefreelibrary.com/UK+Commission+comments+on+Zeiss+acquisition+of+Bio-Rad+business.-a0121714201
09:22 < kanzure> zeiss/bio-rad microscope monopoly stuff
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09:28 < kanzure> Warning: Smarty error: unable to read resource: "wiki:YouTube" in /var/www/hackteria/wordpress/wiki/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php on line 1095
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10:06 < kanzure> ParahSailin: why is hplc more common than surface display of proteins?
10:06 < ParahSailin> for?
10:07 < kanzure> protein purification
10:08 < ParahSailin> because surface display is not a method for protein purification?
10:09 < kanzure> well why isn't it? display the proteins, remove the cells
10:11 < ParahSailin> its not gonna be pure
10:16 < ParahSailin> pichia is relatively "clean" at secreting only what you want into the media, but you still have to purify
10:21 < ParahSailin> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369703X11000325
10:21 < ParahSailin> i had gotten this from the researcher
10:21 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/105433bb2848a3997f7fee7fb28251dc.txt
10:21 < ParahSailin> but count that as another useful genetic material that that vegetarian wuss didnt want
10:23 < kanzure> what about some sort of magnetic fusion protein and some way to wash off the magnetic part
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10:25 < kanzure> here's a weird method, http://2013.igem.org/Team:CU-Boulder/Project/Kit/Purification
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10:25 < ParahSailin> they get 50% purity from the intein cleavage and centrifugation deal
10:25 < ParahSailin> thats pretty good for something that crude
10:26 < ParahSailin> yeah i also had an ELP tag in my stock
10:27 < ParahSailin> these highly repetitive sequences are a bitch with cloning
10:28 < kanzure> "homemade miniprep spin column" http://2013.igem.org/Team:CU-Boulder/Project/Kit/DNAPurification
10:29 < kanzure> meh protein purification is more impressive
10:33 < ParahSailin> hplc is a four letter acronym, but its pretty simple in principle
10:34 < ParahSailin> it doesnt really take that much to do it on a preparatory or industrial scale
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10:49 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=abd72b8c Bryan Bishop: other igem projects from 2013 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/
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11:14 < kanzure> ParahSailin: what about this method, http://2010.igem.org/Team:INSA-Lyon/Project/Stage2/Theory#anne3
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11:21 < Technicus> Hello, does anyone have suggestions for building a mount to hanf filament spools over a makerbot?
11:22 < Technicus> *hang
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11:25 < gradstudentbot> Just wait until the ethics review board never hears about this.
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12:40 < Technicus> Is this an approporate place to ask about how to design things to print with 3d printers?
12:40 < nsh> surewhynot
12:40 < nsh> as long as you don't ask about the appropriateness of asking
12:41 < archels> Technicus: yes, it is. but your question is somewhat specific, so the odds of finding someone here are relatively low.
12:41 < archels> perhaps posting in the appropriate forum/mailing list/newsgroup will yield a greater response
12:42 < archels> that is not to say that you shouldn't stick around and shoot your ideas at us. someone might even shoot back. :)
12:43 < Technicus> Well, I have access to a maker bot and I want to design things to print with it.  I am on a Linux bases machine, what software is avaliable for Linux platforms?
12:44  * archels eyes kanzure 
12:47 < Technicus> Here is an answer to my question: < http://www.makerbot.com/support/guides/design/ >.
12:51 < chris_99> also #reprap is extremely knowledgable about 3d printery stuff
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13:06 < kanzure> chris_99: or #makerbot since he has a makerbot. i assume the #makerbot people would be more useful.
13:06 < chris_99> ah not 'erd of that one
13:07 < kanzure> used to be larger until makerbot torpedoed their brand
13:09 < gradstudentbot> Is this going to count as my ethics training?
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14:11 < yottabit> this is far as i got during an interview today: https://gist.github.com/heath/b3633a2b67731abce756 took about an hour to get that much, kept realizing just how tough this problem is due to edge cases
14:11 < yottabit> it's not even finished, doesn't have test cases, etc. :(
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14:13 < yottabit> got up to l35, guess i should finish it
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14:39 < kanzure> yottabit: did you consider using the urlparse module
14:40 < yottabit> yeah, no libs were allowed
14:40 < yottabit> first thing i asked
14:40 < kanzure> you are using re
14:40 < kanzure> they are liars
14:40 < chris_99> heh
14:40 < yottabit> except re
14:40 < yottabit> right :)
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15:31 < kanzure> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ken-A-vision-T-19241C-Forensic-Comparison-Scope-2-Microscope-NEW-/261491632500?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce21da974
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15:33 < chris_99> intriguing!
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17:35 < kanzure> i posted the 35mm film trick, https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/5hpQXZ6hFKY/baGNfY_-Wx8J
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18:12 < kanzure> "I like the honey badger analogy, but imho it's more akin to an exponentially growing nest of killer bees"
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18:53 < AshleyWaffle> http://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/comments/28c00e/anywhere_where_its_legal_to_get_cryopreserved/
18:54 < kanzure> sigh
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18:58 < eudoxia> here's a better post: http://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/comments/256pkd/should_i_use_alcor_or_the_cryonics_institute_for/
18:59 < justanotheruser> hello AshleyWaffle
19:00  * AshleyWaffle nibbles justanotheruser
19:00 < AshleyWaffle> :<
19:00 < eudoxia> crowdfunding a pet's cryopreservation
19:00 < eudoxia> what an era we live in
19:00 < justanotheruser> AshleyWaffle: please no
19:00 < AshleyWaffle> ok
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19:51 < kanzure> eudoxia, you're not supposed to positively reinforce reddit links >:|
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20:13 < justanotheruser> kanzure: what about yc links?
20:13 < delinquentme> fenn, +1 on the poang chair
20:13 < kanzure> so far those haven't demonstrated a problem
20:13 < delinquentme> srsly comfy
20:13 < kanzure> you will be judged for linking to crap
20:15 < gradstudentbot> Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me.
20:15 < justanotheruser> now I want to link to /r/bitcoin posts to make fun of ignorance
20:15 < kanzure> making fun of ignorance is acceptable, although only in small doses
20:16 < kanzure> i am trying to avoid a constant stream of shitty "infotainment" links
20:16 < kanzure> a lot of transhumanists get sucked into a void reading news articles that ultimately only serve to entertain them
20:17 < kanzure> and i don't want any of that in here
20:17 < kanzure> (there's often better entertainment anyway)
20:17 < justanotheruser> kanzure: entertainment is for plebs?
20:17 < kanzure> uh?
20:18 < kanzure> that sounds like a very different statement
20:18  * justanotheruser quiety goes back to #celebtriy-gossip
20:18 < justanotheruser> *celebrity
20:18 < kanzure> nothing about "plebs" (wtf)
20:19 < kanzure> i know it might seem odd to you, but i'm also pretty certain you've never seen another transhumanist group
20:19 < kanzure> and i assure you that they are universally broken and do nothing
20:19 < delinquentme> new mechanism for cleaning damaged mitochondria http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-06-mitochondria-neurons-neighbors-trash.html
20:19 < kanzure> it makes the people in here look like demigods :(
20:19 < kanzure> delinquentme is the king of shitty infotainment
20:20 < kanzure> he's been addicted for years
20:20 < delinquentme> yeeeeeeesh
20:20 < justanotheruser> kanzure: I've been in /r/transhumanism and its all pretty pictures
20:20 < kanzure> haha you looked
20:20 < delinquentme> emotions are a real component in motivation :D
20:20 < justanotheruser> :x
20:21 < justanotheruser> kanzure: sorry, I didn't mean anything about the entertainment is for plebs other than a poorly thought out joke
20:21 < kanzure> delinquentme: there are emotions that exist outside of reddit linkbait
20:21 < kanzure> justanotheruser: ah okay, thanks
20:21 < delinquentme> kanzure, are you suuure?
20:21 < kanzure> very
20:22 < justanotheruser> kanzure: All other transhumanism communities are broken though?
20:22 < kanzure> very
20:22 < justanotheruser> I came here from reddit btw
20:22 < justanotheruser> lol
20:23 < kanzure> didn't i abduct you from bitcoin things?
20:23 < kanzure> hm
20:23 < justanotheruser> kanzure: no, we just saw each other on #bitcoin-dev a few times I think
20:23 < kanzure> my abduction machine must be broken
20:23 < justanotheruser> /r/nanotech said you were still maintaining nanoengineer-1
20:23 < justanotheruser> but I stayed for the transhumanism
20:24 < kanzure> that is an impressively broad definition of maintenance
20:24 < justanotheruser> lol
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20:27 < justanotheruser> kanzure: Is the biggest roadblock in NE-1 lack of useage and is the biggest roadblock in usage python2?
20:28 < kanzure> lack of usage- nope
20:28 < kanzure> the biggest problem is that the source code was very poorly written
20:28 < justanotheruser> That sucks considering how many man hours went into the code
20:28 < kanzure> at least 4 years of 10 programmers iirc
20:29 < justanotheruser> full time for all 10?
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20:29 < kanzure> yes
20:29 < gradstudentbot> I'm glad you brought that up, I'm going to do that right now.
20:29 < kanzure> nanorex was chewing through cash like crazy
20:30 < justanotheruser> They didn't have a source of income did they?
20:30 < kanzure> it was all funded off of the proceeds of some dot com ftp company
20:31 < justanotheruser> hmmm, would be nice if they paid 5 good programmers
20:32 < kanzure> basically it needs to be refactored
20:32 < kanzure> the gui components need to be separated from the underlying modeling stuff
20:32 < kanzure> and modules should not have 300 lines of import statements
20:32 < justanotheruser> lolwut
20:33 < justanotheruser> please tell me that is an exaggurationnetwork-manager-openvpn is already the newest version.
20:33 < justanotheruser> oops
20:33 < justanotheruser> I ctrl+v's
20:33 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/model/chunk.py
20:34  * justanotheruser projectile vomits onto gradstudentbot 
20:34 < gradstudentbot> I don't think my PI remembers me.
20:39 < kanzure> who is your PI?
20:41 < kanzure> justanotheruser: the other thing is, it's hard to dig up the motivation to refactor it, since the actual simulation parts are the third-party libraries
20:41 < justanotheruser> kanzure: all the simulation/modeling is third party?
20:41 < kanzure> modeling is in-house
20:41 < kanzure> dumped to standard formats
20:41 < kanzure> like mmp
20:42 < kanzure> oops wait, mmp is their custom format
20:43 < kanzure> i mean the other ones, like the pdb-compatible type
20:43 < kanzure> gene_hacker: reasons i should refactor nanoengineer?
20:45 < justanotheruser> kanzure: Estimate the number of programmer-hours needed to rebuild from the core and utilize all the useful stuff they built
20:46 < justanotheruser> Also, was it poorly written because researchers wrote it?
20:46 < kanzure> i dunno if they were researchers
20:46 < kanzure> it is easy for source code to become poorly written
20:46 < kanzure> dingo has experience in that department ;)
20:47 < dingo> researchers are notorious for bad code
20:48 < kanzure> justanotheruser: i would say at least a few houndred hours
20:48 < kanzure> from the same person
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20:48 < kanzure> not impossible, but still annoying
20:49 < dingo> by the time you finish re-writing, you've learned so much more about designing software you want to re-write it all over again
20:49 < justanotheruser> kanzure: do you think that would put a little momentum behind the project?
20:49 < kanzure> you could get a reasonably good library going for <100 hours that does many of the same things
20:49 < dingo> its an infinite loop, at some point you just accept what you have and deal with the hairy parts and finish the damn thing
20:49 < kanzure> so, the reason why momentum dropped off was because nanorex stopped paying people
20:49 < justanotheruser> lol
20:49 < kanzure> but the other reason is because nanorex couldn't find anyone who wanted to use it
20:50 < dingo> sometimes incremental refactoring and documentation can go a lot farther than a complete rewrite
20:50 < justanotheruser> ahead of their time?
20:50 < kanzure> more like.. perpendicular to their time.
20:50 < kanzure> say you have designed a beautiful carbon-diamond nanomachine. now what??
20:50 < justanotheruser> I have no idea how to interpret that
20:50 < justanotheruser> kanzure: that leads me to believe ahead of their time
20:50 < kanzure> well, i mean, you can drag atoms around and stuff
20:51 < kanzure> well okay
20:51 < kanzure> it is hard to write software when you don't know what the use case is
20:52 < kanzure> just a front-end to design simulation scenarios for molecular dynamics simulators??
20:52 < kanzure> that's okay, but it would be way better to be explicit about that
20:53 < justanotheruser> kanzure: well you can make DNA origamis right?
20:54 < kanzure> kinda, cadnano might be better in that department by now (haven't checked in a looong time)
20:54 < kanzure> http://cadnano.org/ "cadnano simplifies and enhances the process of designing three-dimensional DNA origami nanostructures. Through its user-friendly 2D and 3D interfaces it accelerates the creation of arbitrary designs. The embedded rules within cadnano paired with the finite element analysis performed by cando, provide relative certainty of the stability of the structures."
20:54 < justanotheruser> open source?
20:54 < kanzure> https://github.com/sdouglas/cadnano2
20:54 < justanotheruser> nvm
20:54 < justanotheruser> ok thanks
20:55 < justanotheruser> nanoengineers seems more like an AIO
20:55 < kanzure> ?
20:55 < justanotheruser> All-In-One
20:55 < kanzure> ugly kitchen sink :)
20:55 < justanotheruser> lol
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21:03 < kanzure> yes/no? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-391-DNA-Synthesizer-PCR-Mate-/121364913113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c41e99bd9
21:03 < kanzure> just as a toy
21:03 < kanzure> feel like i've seen this cheaper, dunno
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21:05 < kanzure> lolz "Cycle time: 5.6 minutes"
21:05 < kanzure> hahah "Coupling efficiency: >98%"
21:06 < kanzure> "List: $26,700" pffft
21:12 < kanzure> "pls ship to Ayman al-Zawahiri" <nmz787's address>
21:15 < jrayhawk_> haha
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21:16 < kanzure> this guy gets it
21:16 < kanzure> bin laden is so last century
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21:20 < kanzure> nmz787: want it?
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21:22 < kanzure> similar model is going for 7x http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-394-DNA-RNA-Synthesizer-with-Spares-and-Manuals-/321431197201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad6cad611
21:23 < kanzure> $500 seems ok
21:24 < kanzure> ha! "This unit will hook directly to a McIntosh. This Hypercard® program lets you import, edit and store sequences on the computer, then download them to the ABI 391 without additional keystrokes."
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21:41 < kanzure> dimensions: 21" wide, 16" high, 15" deep
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21:52 < nmz787> hi
21:52 < nmz787> which?
21:52 < kanzure> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-391-DNA-Synthesizer-PCR-Mate-/121364913113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c41e99bd9
21:54 < kanzure> deets http://www.pemed.com/lab/synthes/synthes.htm
21:54 < kanzure> "the most important bullshit rule with Jackson Labs is the company must have had the same address for the past 3 years. so plan 3 years ahead."
21:56 < nmz787> hmm
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22:02 < nmz787> apparently these columns are compatible http://www.lifetechnologies.com/order/catalog/product/4316341
22:02 < nmz787> just shy of $10 each
22:03 < kanzure> we could either use the synthesizer or do a teardown and reverse engineer any software
22:03 < kanzure> or both
22:03 < nmz787> "the printer formerly know as prints"
22:04 < nmz787> it says 'extremely clean'
22:04 < nmz787> oh
22:04 < nmz787> no
22:04 < nmz787> 'externally '
22:04 < kanzure> "externally clean"
22:04 < kanzure> one of the tubes is dirty or something
22:04 < kanzure> blockage
22:04 < kanzure> "The instrument's phosphoramidite tubing will need to be replaced since it is clogged"
22:04 < nmz787> hopefully the valves are OK
22:05 < kanzure> "I will include a section of the old tubing as a sample since I had removed it from the instrument when I was working on it."
22:05 < kanzure> also we'd need to do some stencil artwork on the sides
22:05 < nmz787> i haven't actually priced $/bp for a machine like this, I'd always just assumed it was too much such that my school never used the one they had
22:06 < kanzure> like this- http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000002388095-jxf9rp-crop.jpg?30a2558
22:06 < nmz787> it would certainly be awesome for learing with and trying to get running, taking lots of pics and maybe firmware dumps
22:06 < kanzure> yes
22:06 < nmz787> who knows what the software is
22:06 < kanzure> hypercard
22:06 < nmz787> no way
22:06 < nmz787> i thought that was a joke post
22:06 < nmz787> like on the onion.com
22:07 < kanzure> reality is worse than fiction
22:07 < kanzure> so i'll buy this and ship it to you, if you'll commit to doing at least a well-documented teardown
22:07 < nmz787> sure
22:07 < kanzure> this is also ok to ship to your home address?
22:07 < nmz787> that will be good for takeitapart too maybe
22:07 < nmz787> uh, i guess use the other
22:08 < nmz787> the the highway one
22:08 < kanzure> 21" wide, 16" high, 15" deep
22:08 < kanzure> got a way to move it?
22:08 < nmz787> yeah i have a car and suv
22:08 < nmz787> though I think I need at least a new battery for the SUV
22:10 < nmz787> I'll need to get an argon tank and some regulator stuff i guess
22:10 < kanzure> check gchat for address confirmation
22:11 < nmz787> in case there's a chance this works
22:11 < kanzure> i think we can use dyed water to test operation
22:15 < kanzure> "You will receive an email confirmation shortly"
22:19 < kanzure> definitely need to repaint it
22:19 < kanzure> my vote is http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000002388095-jxf9rp-crop.jpg?30a2558
22:20 < gradstudentbot> The lab meeting was cancelled.
22:20 < bkero> oh hey it's a phage
22:20 < bkero> looks like sputnik
22:20 < kanzure> i'm open to other ideas
22:21 < bkero> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ACaDF0kiT5I/TJJtIZ89EJI/AAAAAAAAAr0/ebavLhI2sYA/s1600/phage.jpg
22:22 < bkero> That phage needs a sinister mustache.
22:24 < kanzure> could also go for propaganda.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/aubrey.jpg
22:26 < bkero> haha
22:26 < bkero> aubrey looks like hell in that
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22:35 < kanzure> obviously what we need here is a graffiti artist
22:37 < kanzure> http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/1070111.jpg
22:38 < kanzure> http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/icbm.jpg
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22:48 < nmz787> lenovo put my laptop fan right where i'd like to set my beer
22:50 < kanzure> beige office equipment always reminds me of the borg
22:50 < kanzure> http://www.pemed.com/lab/synthes/abipcr02_6.jpg
22:50 < kanzure> the color should be renamed xerox beige
22:51 < kanzure> http://www.governmentauctions.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Xerox-430DC-copier.JPG
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22:55 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7902219
22:55 < yoleaux> Lattice's $24.99 FPGA Evaluation Kit
22:56 < bkero> Cheap FPGA
22:56 < kanzure> .title http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN/220-2656-ND/4289604
22:56 < yoleaux> ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN Lattice Semiconductor Corporation
22:59 < kanzure> .title http://vimeo.com/98321051
22:59 < yoleaux> BE200 Immersion Test on Vimeo
22:59 < kanzure> immersion of asicminer
23:01 < kanzure> hmm i would expect people to be using needles to inject flows into specific areas, instead of letting the board geometry determine where the flow goes
23:02 < nmz787> hmm
23:03 < nmz787> the weird thing is i was just looking at digikey's FPGA page yesterday and earlier
23:03 < nmz787> and i couldn't find much info on the ice40 chip
23:03 < nmz787> cause it was the cheapest on digikey
23:03 < night> Can anyone here offer recommendations for consumer grade EEG headsets?
23:03 < kanzure> 1) don't do it 2) emotiv sucks, but is probably your best bet for "consumer"
23:04 < night> what is your reasoning behind number one, kanzure?
23:04 < kanzure> i have used it and it sucks
23:04 < night> say I wanted to control a web browser with three functions: "click," "back," and "forward"
23:04 < night> would it be accurate enough for that?
23:06 < kanzure> yes, sorta
23:06 < kanzure> Daeken: ping
23:08 < kanzure> http://pub5.di.fm/di_progressive_aac?type=.aac
23:10 < gene_hacker> reasons you should refactor nanoengineer?
23:10 < kanzure> yeah
23:10 < gene_hacker> well it's a really nice piece of software for drawing and simulating atoms
23:10 < night> kanzure: I arrived at Emotiv as well, so it looks like I will be getting it. Is there anything they don't tell you about it that I should know?
23:10 < kanzure> gene_hacker: so, for simulation setup?
23:11 < gene_hacker> and it looks like the lab group I'm in will be using it
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23:12 < kanzure> yo defalt
23:12 < gene_hacker> because it's great for sketching stuff out fast
23:12 < kanzure> i see
23:12 < kanzure> so, you mean the GUI?
23:12 < kanzure> when i was thinking about refactoring it, i was thinking of leaving the GUI behind
23:12 < kanzure> and just doing a small programming tool
23:12 < kanzure> but if the primary usefulness is GUIness....
23:12 < gene_hacker> well, there are plenty of atomistic simulation tools
23:12 < kanzure> hm
23:13 < gene_hacker> like LAMMPS and what not
23:13 < gene_hacker> they're just really hard to use and setup
23:13 < kanzure> so, ideally, should it restrict you to physically possible molecules, or let you attach any atoms
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23:13 < gene_hacker> I just want to be able to do metals
23:13 < night> kanzure: I would like to talk briefly sometime if you aren't busy
23:14 < kanzure> night: emotiv sucks. their software is proprietary.
23:14 < gene_hacker> or put in pseudo atoms that represent groups of atoms
23:14 < kanzure> however, a certain someone blackmailed his way into acquiring their source code
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23:14 < gene_hacker> nice
23:14 < nmz787> well here's this http://www.latticesemi.com/~/media/Documents/Handbooks/iCE40FamilyHandbook.pdf
23:15 < kanzure> night: the dildo guy has been maintaining the software that daeken and i wrote for emotiv reverse engineering reasons, https://github.com/openyou/emokit
23:15 < nmz787> gene_hacker: have you done programming?
23:15 < nmz787> kanzure: what language is it?
23:15 < gene_hacker> now if somebody could do it for the new kinect
23:15 < kanzure> emokit is in python and C
23:15 < nmz787> no nano
23:15 < kanzure> nanoengineer is in python
23:15 < gene_hacker> nmz787, all day everyday
23:15 < kanzure> C#?
23:15 < gene_hacker> you guessed it
23:16 < night> kanzure: their EEG description seems to imply (http://emotiv.com/eeg/) that the raw data is accessible. What parts are proprietary?
23:16 < night> Thanks for the link.
23:16 < nmz787> so have you started debugging it gene_hacker ?
23:16 < kanzure> night: raw data is accessible for their 'research' license. unless you use emokit.
23:16 < gene_hacker> debugging what? nanoengineer?
23:16 < nmz787> like does it allow you to add more bonds? yeah
23:16 < nmz787> nanoengi
23:16 < kanzure> nmz787: nanorex abbreviated NE-1
23:16 < kanzure> *abbreviated it
23:16 < night> Ok, thank you
23:16 < gene_hacker> sort of
23:17 < nmz787> ?
23:17 < nmz787> it would seem the answer would be either it does or it restricts you from doing so
23:17 < kanzure> you mean in the source code?
23:17 < kanzure> it's not very clear :)
23:18 < nmz787> not restricting you from adding bonds doesn't mean it runs correctly afterwards
23:18 < gene_hacker> it currently restricts me from doing so
23:18 < nmz787> ok, so you can't add metals... not that adding them causes undefined behaviour
23:18 < nmz787> e.g. doesn't work right
23:18 < kanzure> the README has a link to a chroot and instructions for running it
23:18 < gene_hacker> yeah, when I ran a zinc porphyrin it seemed sort of funky
23:19 < gene_hacker> alas, I don't know how a zinc porphyrin is supposed to behave
23:20 < gradstudentbot> Did you order the carbon nanotubes yet?
23:21 < gene_hacker> yes, but then I took a picture of them and they vanished!
23:22 < gene_hacker> http://www.chem.purdue.edu/bcce/Campbell_flash_demo.pdf
23:23 < nmz787> yo dawg, i heard you like locked loops, so I put a delay locked loop in your phase locked loop, so you can....
23:23 < nmz787> ... loop while you loop?
23:23 < kanzure> carbon nanotube evaporation due to photography
23:23 < kanzure> that seems very unfortunate
23:23 < kanzure> or inconvenient
23:24 < gene_hacker> or very convenient if you are making light triggered explosives or anti-cancer drugs.
23:25 < kanzure> hahaha jojack put his photo as his lab site's hero shot http://biotechnbeyond.com/
23:25 < nmz787> oh man, I bet pre-silicon clock engineers who use Windows to develop department tools would get confused over compiling the DLL
23:25 < gene_hacker> *click* FLASH, all your cancer cells are dead
23:25 < kanzure> http://biotechnbeyond.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/green_science-860x228-1.jpg
23:26 < nmz787> i heard you like DLLs, so I compiled your DLL into a DLL
23:27 < nmz787> so your program can import then contort
23:27 < kanzure> btw, i bought http://www.amscope.com/t120c.html
23:28 < nmz787> ok
23:28 < nmz787> sent to you?
23:28 < kanzure> haha yes
23:29 < nmz787> cool, gonna do stuff in parallel?
23:29 < nmz787> or webscope
23:29 < gradstudentbot> The fluorescent microscope is broken.
23:29 < kanzure> nah this is just me realizing i don't have a microscope
23:29 < nmz787> i can't tell if that has infinity objectives
23:29 < kanzure> it probably does not
23:29 < nmz787> cool, seems good enough
23:29 < kanzure> other pages say "Corrected" or "Infinity corrected"
23:29 < nmz787> for that
23:29 < nmz787> hmm
23:30 < nmz787> infinity objectives on ebay aren't too bad
23:30 < nmz787> but the big name brands are in the hundreds
23:30 < nmz787> so who knows
23:30 < kanzure> this seems to be their most expensive http://www.amscope.com/t700a.html
23:31 < nmz787> http://www.microscopenet.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=infinity&x=0&y=0
23:31 < kanzure> 0.80 NA for $400 wtf?
23:32 < nmz787> $620 trinocular http://www.microscopenet.com/infinitycorrected-trinocular-compound-microscope-40x1500x-p-8908.html
23:32 < kanzure> that comes with a 100x 1.25 NA objective
23:32 < nmz787> "four high quality infinity-corrected plan objectives."
23:32 < kanzure> why is the other one 0.80 NA and $400
23:32 < nmz787> uh
23:33 < nmz787> the .8 might not need oil?
23:33 < kanzure> http://www.microscopenet.com/100x080-infinitycorrected-plan-field-microscope-objective-p-9474.html?osCsid=a4691c15krdrbo2lerlb61eot5
23:33 < kanzure> ah you're right
23:33 < kanzure> that is cool
23:33 < nmz787> or does it need stronger oil?
23:33 < nmz787> the opposite?
23:33 < nmz787> :O
23:33 < night> kanzure: it appears that the "Research SDK" is $750, and it includes the EEG headset. Meanwhile, the headset can be bought on its own for $750. Is there any reason I shouldn't get the Research SDK?
23:33 < kanzure> headset should be more like $100-200
23:33 < nmz787> " 100X dry (immersion oil free) "
23:33 < nmz787> ah
23:33 < kanzure> am skeptical of $750 for just headset
23:34 < kanzure> you can probably get one on ebay for $50
23:34 < night> something's wrong with their pricing
23:34 < kanzure> hm, nope not on ebay
23:34 < nmz787> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disc-group.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FBlu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf&ei=keGfU7vxFtKIogSN-oGgAQ&usg=AFQjCNG17XPZy4jT7b-itBvIXUMtRLmGmQ&sig2=d4XTTagIWMWviqsNSjK4Yg&bvm=bv.68911936,d.cGU
23:34 < nmz787> http://www.disc-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Blu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf
23:34 < nmz787> sorry
23:34 < nmz787> 0.85 NA
23:35 < kanzure> weird
23:35 < kanzure> could probably stick that on the end of a tube
23:35 < nmz787> but there is something about the working distance taking the plastic cover layer into lensing effect account
23:35 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.disc-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Blu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf
23:35 < nmz787> of the disc
23:35 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 51, in _go)
23:35 < kanzure> uh
23:35 < kanzure> *ugh
23:35 < kanzure> gradstudentbot: you fix it
23:35 < gradstudentbot> Should I still be wearing gloves?
23:35 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/White_paper_Blu-ray_Disc_Format.pdf
23:35 < nmz787> JS wins!
23:36 < nmz787> well, there is python involved
23:36 < nmz787> the dynamic duo?
23:37 < kanzure> .wik dynamic duo
23:37 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: Dynamic duo" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_duo
23:37 < kanzure> .wik Dynamic Duo
23:37 < yoleaux> "Dynamic Duo (Korean: 다이나믹듀오) is a Korean hip hop duo that consists of Choiza (Korean: 최자) and Gaeko (Korean: 개코) that are the main representative artists for urban music label, Amoeba Culture. Their debut album “Taxi Driver (2004) was the best-selling Hip Hop album in South Korea." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Duo
23:37 < nmz787> I don't think you'd get good results trying to steal a bluray objective for an imaging microscope, but i'd be interested to find out what it would look like
23:38 < kanzure> .g site:youtube.com taxi driver 2004
23:38 < yoleaux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjiNBiEUaQ
23:38 < kanzure> ugh
23:38 < kanzure> .g site:youtube.com dynamic duo taxi driver
23:38 < yoleaux> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6A6P69kEO-Egi6Ayk06cYI0GyUoUzA-M
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23:39 < nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tq8-6l2rd4
23:39 < nmz787> oh
23:39 < nmz787> you beat me
23:39 < nmz787> ok i should get to bed
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23:55 < AshleyWaffle> hey
23:55 < AshleyWaffle> I have another bci question
23:56  * AshleyWaffle nibbles kanzure's attention neural nets :3
23:56 < AshleyWaffle> so, they did an experiment where they tried to scan someones dream onto a computer
23:56 < AshleyWaffle> with limited success:
23:56 < AshleyWaffle> http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/scientists-learn-how-to-record-your-dreams-and-play-them
23:56 < AshleyWaffle> so I wanna know, whats the bottleneck?
23:57 < AshleyWaffle> neural understanding? data resolution? precision?
23:57 < AshleyWaffle> because they were really imprecise recordings
23:57 < AshleyWaffle> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-figure-out-what-you-see-while-youre-dreaming-15553304/?no-ist=
23:58 < ebowden> There's probably a number of bottlenecks.
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