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03:57 < EnLilaSko> Does anyone remember who it was that was going to help me with the Chinese? :P
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06:22 < kanzure> was it a person?
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12:54 < justanotheruser> Is space a worthless pursuit?
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12:58 < kanzure> nah it has valuables
12:58 < kanzure> like space
12:58 < kanzure> and things
12:59 < chris_99> why would it be worthless?
13:01 < kanzure> "there's so much of it!"
13:05 < chris_99> also you might find aliens who give you free tech ;)
13:10 < chris_99> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1077314210000664
13:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9546d4bb527dba0f7f09ffe8970d41ad.txt
13:15 < kanzure> but what if they have a stupid non-interference thing
13:16 < chris_99> non-interference thing?
13:16 < kanzure> .g non-interference space directive
13:16 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive
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13:18 < chris_99> we just find them and pester them anyway
13:19 < kanzure> with our luck their only advanced technology is anal probing
13:19 < chris_99> haha
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14:21 < chris_99> hmm i've just noticed some electroporators on the fleabay, i'm kind of tempted as they're not massively expensive
14:22 < kanzure> paperbot: http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2013/05/20/medethics-2013-101458.long
14:22 < kanzure> .title
14:22 < yoleaux> The challenge of crafting policy for do-it-yourself brain stimulation -- Fitz and Reiner -- Journal of Medical Ethics
14:22 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20challenge%20of%20crafting%20policy%20for%20do-it-yourself%20brain%20stimulation.pdf
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14:36 < ybit3> should you tie validation rules and business logic to your models?
14:39 < kanzure> validation rules are generally tied to models
14:39 < kanzure> like in https://github.com/kanzure/modelo
14:40 < kanzure> business logic, that's more up in the air.. my opinion is yes, and i make lots of my classes really fat.
14:44 < nmz787> chris_99: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/3D_face_reconstructions_from_photometric_stereo_using_near_infrared_and_visible_light.pdf
14:44 < chris_99> ooh yay, thanks
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14:59 < chris_99> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cambridge-StereoScan-600-Scanning-Electron-Microscope-50-000x-Magnification-25KV-/301229405125?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item4622abf3c5
14:59 < chris_99> damn i wish i had spare cash and a decent space
15:02 < ybit3> thanks for the feedback kanzure
15:03 < ybit3> i'm told, in haskell, it's seperate. validation rules should be types
15:03 < kanzure> chris_99: if it works i'll consider it
15:04 < chris_99> he does say 'This microscope was in full functional condition when it was careful removed from a lab last week.'  it's from 74' apparently, i wonder how it outputs the image
15:05 < chris_99> hmm it's got a bnc port for tv
15:05 < kanzure> "but due to the nature of this item it is being sold for parts"
15:06 < chris_99> mmm yeah
15:17 < chris_99> has anyone done electroporation here out of interest?
15:22 < kanzure> yashgaroth has maybe done it this week
15:22 < yashgaroth> yeah whatup
15:23 < chris_99> i'm just wondering how easy you think it'd be to introduce a pGLO plasmid into yeast, if it would be possible at all
15:23 < chris_99> using electroporation
15:24 < yashgaroth> well I don't think it'll replicate in yeast, or that the selection will function
15:24 < yashgaroth> or that the gfp gene would be expressed
15:27 < nmz787> electroporation is very nice
15:27 < nmz787> ttyl
15:27 < chris_99> ah cheers, is there a simple way you could, or would that require creating your own plasmid
15:27 < yashgaroth> yeah the electroporation part would work fine
15:27 < yashgaroth> I'm sure someone makes a working gfp plasmid for yeast, might need a special strain tho
15:28 < yashgaroth> I don't do much yeast work since they're not really useful, so I can't name any specifics
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15:29 < chris_99> okey dokey, appreciate the help, i'll do some googling on that
15:30 < yashgaroth> good luck with your glowing beer
15:30 < chris_99> hehe thanks
15:38 < chris_99> http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-90162000000400018 sounds v. interesting
15:38 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1590%2FS0103-90162000000400018
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19:10 < kanzure> "To take a very recent bitcoin-related example, the owners of bitcoinica were using LastPass to manage their passwords. LastPass leaks membership through the "forgot password" function, and probably months ago an attacker determined that info@bitcoinica.com was a LastPass account. Then, when the bitcoinica source code was leaked, attacker tried the api key within the code (set as password by naive investor) and bam: synced with LastPass ...
19:11 < kanzure> ... account to get mtgox passwords and clear out bitcoinica's mtgox account of ~$350k USD."
19:11 < kanzure> that is dedication
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19:36 < kanzure> huh, angular-router looks generally worse than ui-router
20:03 < kanzure> ybit3: yes they should be types. but if your model type has subordinate model types.. which they usually do. like fields.
20:33 < justanotheruser> kanzure: can I have that wei dai post about marketplaces again?
20:35 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/10/msg00062.html
20:35 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/04/msg00398.html
20:35 < justanotheruser> ty
20:35 < kanzure> http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/05/msg00980.html
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21:21 < nmz787> y'all are boring lately
21:23 < kanzure> we could make fun of that crazy dude's understanding of open source
21:23 < kanzure> re: his dna synthesizer
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22:12 < nmz787> i thought we wouldn't go there
22:12 < kanzure> voluntarily limit our mocking? nonsense
22:13 < nmz787> i wanna talk to people about my ideas, but under the veil of secrecy
22:15 < kanzure> what do you mean?
22:15 < kanzure> oh, mocking. got it.
22:16 < kanzure> see, i'm rusty at this
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22:55 < nmz787> no, actually
22:55 < nmz787> i am lonely in here
22:55 < nmz787> ;(
22:56 < bkero> chatroulette
22:56 < kanzure> i don't suppose you want to do angular things for me
22:56  * kanzure scratches his head about a carousel
22:56 < kanzure> name doesn't even make sense, there's no ceramic disappointment
22:57 < nmz787> can chatroulette filter for a materials scientist?
22:59 < ebowden> Oh, you're a materials scientist?
22:59 < ebowden> Neat.
22:59 < kanzure> why would you think that means he's a "materials scientist"?
23:00 < ebowden> Oh right.
23:00 < kanzure> ...?
23:01 < ebowden> He wanted to talk to a materials scientist.
23:02 < nmz787> basically
23:02 < nmz787> ebowden: are you one?
23:14 < ebowden> Oh god no.
23:15 < ebowden> I'm not remotely qualified in any field of science.
23:15 < kanzure> "qualified"
23:15 < ebowden> Or learned.
23:16 < nmz787> ah
23:16 < nmz787> dang
23:16  * nmz787 wants a research/biz partner
23:17 < ebowden> Out of curiosity, what was it you wanted to talk to a materials scientist for?
23:17 < ebowden> Ah.
23:17 < ebowden> What was your field?
23:17 < nmz787> would make DNA synthesis a bit easier
23:17 < kanzure> don't you ever get tired of caring about formalities like that?
23:17 < kanzure> or what would it take to convince you to stop caring about those fomalities?
23:17 < kanzure> *formalities
23:18 < nmz787> well the alternative is all that patent crap, it seems
23:18 < kanzure> no not you
23:18 < nmz787> shutting up is easier in that sense
23:18 < kanzure> the dog person
23:19 < ebowden> Oh, me?
23:19 < kanzure> use ParahSailin
23:20 < ebowden> nmz787, what kind of research did you want to do? Anything particular in mind?
23:27 < nmz787> related to polymer synthesis, surface interactions, chemical separations, CAD, parts assembly, optics, robotics/handling
23:27 < nmz787> software
23:27 < nmz787> etc
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23:38 < ebowden> Ah, ok.
23:39 < ebowden> Any projects on making DNA synthesis cheaper?
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23:46 < nmz787> yes
23:47 < nmz787> yes
23:47 < nmz787> whoops
23:51 < ebowden> :D
23:51 < ebowden> What parts of the process are you trying to make cheaper? :D
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