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06:32 < chris_99> lol 06:35 < kanzure> there are many dead man switches 06:35 < kanzure> some of which i have forgotten about 06:39 < kanzure> and also that have forgotten functions 06:39 < kanzure> like, one will very definitely make things very inconvenient for me, but these others must have been doing something else 06:51 < kanzure> it should be called a forgetful man's switch 07:17 -!- chapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:28 -!- chapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:29 < kanzure> genspace spikerbox workshop http://www.eventbrite.com/e/diy-neurscience-workshop-build-a-spikerbox-tickets-12272755141 07:31 -!- blueskin [~blueskin@unaffiliated/blueskin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 < kanzure> sens foundation has coerced george church into speaking at rb2014 07:32 < kanzure> in santa clara 07:40 < dbolser> coerced? 07:46 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 < kanzure> bribed? 07:57 < kanzure> i dunno. they did something. 07:59 -!- xhapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-24-20-19-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:03 < gnusha_> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=0dbeb30b DavidCary: Close enough to DIYBio? >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/diybio/faq/projects/ 08:06 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-63-104.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-24-20-19-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:09 < xhapta> yes 08:11 < kanzure> hello xhapta 08:11 < xhapta> hi kanzure 08:12 < xhapta> i have not send emails yet. 08:12 < kanzure> emails about what? 08:12 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@c-50-129-87-238.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- justanot1eruser [~Justan@c-50-129-87-238.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:13 < xhapta> you gave some mails to get arguments for the idea of a school lab, don"t you? 08:13 < xhapta> like Philippe S. 08:14 < kanzure> what about them? 08:17 < xhapta> look in the logs from yesterday the discussions/talk starts around 08:37 08:18 < xhapta> founding a diybio group on my school collecting arguments for such a club 08:19 < cluckj> https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/jul/14/doc-note-cia-cafeteria-complaints/ 08:19 < cluckj> .title 08:19 < yoleaux> Doc of Note: CIA Cafeteria Complaints 08:19 < kanzure> xhapta: what about it? 08:20 < xhapta> I thought you gave me the mail adresses and may ask me if already written mails, but i guessed wrog - so not that important 08:21 < xhapta> yoleaux the title was hard to guess :-P 08:26 < xhapta> .title 08:26 < xhapta> .help 08:26 < yoleaux> xhapta: I'm yoleaux. Type .commands to see what I can do, or see http://dpk.io/yoleaux for a quick guide. 08:26 < yoleaux> Doc of Note: CIA Cafeteria Complaints 08:27 < xhapta> .commands 08:27 < yoleaux> Commands are divided into categories: services, general, api, demos, admin. Use .commands to get a list of the commands in each. 08:28 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:32 < xhapta> .commands services 08:32 < yoleaux> Commands in services: acronym, add-command, command-help, del-command, dety, distance, geo, leo, moon, ngrams, nokiageo, o, oed, r2r, roll, rot13, shipping, suggest, swhack, thesaurus, title, tw, twho, weather, yi. Use .help to get information about them. 08:32 < delinquentme> http://www-pmr.ch.cam.ac.uk/wiki/Main_Page 08:32 < delinquentme> OTHER than peter murray rust ... is anyone else working with parsing chemical formulas ? 08:32 < delinquentme> ( from within research papers ) 08:34 < xhapta> .botsnack 08:34 < yoleaux> :D 08:38 < xhapta> When you write protocols, which software do you use? 08:41 < xhapta> Latex , Libreoffice , Word, Tex, HTML ... ? 08:43 < cluckj> notepad 08:44 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:ccec:9197:a34f:f74f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 -!- xhapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:49 -!- chapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 < chapta> you mean as .txt i guess? You can also write tex, Latex or html in notepad. How you notate formulas or chemicals ? 08:50 < eudoxia> well you could use latex and people interpret it in their heads 08:50 < cluckj> I don't write protocols :P 08:51 < chapta> cluckj , do you doo research then? 08:52 < cluckj> yes 08:52 < chapta> eudoxia , thats is quiet easy if you know how 08:52 < chapta> how do you share your results? 08:53 < cluckj> I write them down and publish or present them 08:53 < cluckj> I use scrivener for word processing 08:54 < eudoxia> i liked scrivener when i used it but never tried it beyond the trial 08:54 < chapta> comercial stuff ? 08:55 < cluckj> sort of 08:55 < cluckj> it's like 3 dudes from australia 08:55 < chapta> ? i don"t get it 08:56 < cluckj> the developers of the software 08:57 < chapta> ok, i do not like the missing linux support 08:58 < chapta> but it seems to adress some important problems 08:59 < chapta> o their is an linux realese cool 09:00 < cluckj> there's a beta release for linux I think 09:00 < cluckj> yah 09:01 < chapta> ok other softwares in use? 09:01 < chapta> how many people are active at a time like this in avarage? 09:03 < chapta> .ggc scrivener beta linux 09:04 < chapta> .gc scrivener beta linux 09:04 < yoleaux> 35,000 (site), 38,200 (end), 2,780 (api) 09:05 < chapta> .gc word beta linux 09:05 < yoleaux> 73,700,000 (site), 5,440,000 (api) 09:06 < cluckj> eudoxia, it's excellent for the kind of writing I do 09:07 < chapta> i agree on you, i think i need to leave latex soon :-( and search for something bayond pdf 09:08 < delinquentme> kanzure, 09:08 < delinquentme> you WAKE?! 09:10 < chapta> delinquentme no i guess , but 20 min ago he was active 09:11 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-229-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:11 < delinquentme> kanzure, the dude who works @ sage who lives in SF? 09:11 < chapta> no idea contact details here heybryan.org 09:12 < chapta> .title http://heybryan.org/ 09:12 < yoleaux> Bryan Bishop / kanzure, Homepage of 09:12 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-229-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:13 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 < chapta> the name Bishop is not mentioned in the . FINAL REPORT ON THE EVALUATION OF THE SAGE PROJECT ’ S LIFESKILLS AND GRACE PROGRAMS 09:16 < chapta> so i think no 09:17 < chapta> but ask him 09:19 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, also 09:19 < kanzure> delinquentme: doug 09:20 < delinquentme> yeah I'm looking for contact details which he had on a particular HN news post 09:20 < delinquentme> have those? 09:20 < kanzure> doug@dougmccune.com 09:21 < delinquentme> <3 09:21 < delinquentme> this is the dude whos family owns sage right? 09:22 < kanzure> "SAGE is a 100% family owned business. My grandmother is chairwoman, my dad and I are on the board. I'm a coder working in an unrelated startup for my day job, living in SF. We’re not dinosaurs trying to bleed the system dry until our business model collapses, but at the same time I wholeheartedly acknowledge the fundamentals of the journals business are antiquated and I believe they will radically change eventually" 09:26 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27 < chapta> what is the sage stuff aout? 09:28 < chapta> i get the wrong i think 09:29 < kanzure> i dunno 09:29 < kanzure> something about WAKE 09:32 < chapta> the island? 09:36 < chapta> .g WAKE 09:36 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_(ceremony) 09:36 < cluckj> ugh http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/07/14/open-source-for-business/ 09:42 -!- eridu [~eridu@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:42 < kanzure> "most of the corporate sites and web services you use run on Apache or Nginx, but rarely do we ever get software or services that are made for individuals." 09:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:42 < kanzure> because every time i've used nginx has been a lie? 09:43 -!- chapta_ [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 < cluckj> kanzure, that's one of my colleagues' writing that 09:44 < kanzure> your friends suck 09:44 < chapta_> he agrues that nginx and co are the rare examples 09:44 < cluckj> I'm trying to respond to it without being a jackass...it's really difficult 09:45 -!- chapta [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45 < kanzure> cluckj, i'm not sure what his problem is, he seems to be hateful that people don't share his priorities? 09:45 < cluckj> I don't think he knows how closed-source the world was 20 years ago 09:45 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45 < kanzure> like, why the hell does this matter: "Can’t developers do something half as cool as turning an abandoned building into a community?" 09:46 < cluckj> I think his problem is that F/OSS isn't radical enough for him? 09:47 < kanzure> hahah "It is the kind of elitism that can only come from people who deny their own elite status or their complicit role in an unjust status quo." 09:47 < kanzure> i think the problem is that he's an idiot 09:47 < kanzure> leet status.. yeah right. totes elite. 09:47 < cluckj> ya 09:48 < chapta_> He shows some tendencies, ofcourse there were epicproject on the fosdem like the pyra, but they are not seen as cool, until you are a /"geek/" 09:48 < kanzure> he should develop an alternative set of incentives if he hates the current set 09:48 < cluckj> F/OSS was not a big thing 20 years ago, but now it's totally pervasive 09:48 < cluckj> in part because of the politics of making things open source 09:49 < kanzure> hah "F/OSS isn’t apolitical, it sided with the 1%" man he's all over the map 09:49 < cluckj> :( yes 09:49 < kanzure> unfortunately i am not sure which of these issues is the root issue that he feels most strongly about 09:49 < kanzure> so if you could figure it out, then i can work on an antidote 09:50 < chapta_> its is the communication in my opinion 09:50 < kanzure> "I know Zotero works perfectly fine for thousands of people, but for the millions more that can’t or have absolutely no desire to install and configure plugins for basic functions like PDF sorting and renaming, it doesn’t." 09:50 < cluckj> I don't know either, I'm going to argue with him a bit 09:50 < kanzure> well that's fine, because zotero doesn't actually have millions of users 09:51 < chapta_> the com between codersand persons prisioned in there windows world playing watchdog and feeling like a hacker ;-) 09:53 < chapta_> For many people, even technologically literate people like myself, choosing open source feels like the tech equivalent of eating organic: . . . . 09:55 < chapta_> Does a community of developers ,which are developing the software they need for them self and share them, need to care about compatibily with masses and good PR - What this guys is expecting? 09:57 < chapta_> *feeling ignored && get soethign to eat * 10:01 < cluckj> my first response was "*does a sweet kickflip while posting this from his (open-source) android phone in (open source) chrome, over wifi provided by (open source) dd-wrt and finishes his nesquik in time to watch spongebob*" 10:01 < cluckj> I may have overreacted 10:08 < kanzure> kickflip ain't open source 10:08 < bkero> chrome isn't open osurce 10:08 < bkero> *source 10:09 < chris_99> chromium is though 10:12 < chapta_> android is not compleatly opensource either 10:12 < chapta_> even in cyanogenmod are binary blobs 10:13 < cluckj> yeah 10:13 < cluckj> my point is...so what? 10:13 < GarethRigby> NSAndroid 10:14 < kanzure> http://highscalability.com/blog/2014/7/14/bitly-lessons-learned-building-a-distributed-system-that-han.html 10:14 < cluckj> all the bits that I'd ever want to mess with on my phone are open source 10:14 < kanzure> hostpool looks suspicious- it's a central service for service discovery? what happens when hostpool goes down 10:14 < kanzure> https://github.com/bitly/go-hostpool 10:14 < cluckj> my kickflips are entirely open source dude 10:14 < cluckj> under the GPL (gnarly public license) 10:19 < cluckj> anyway, 20 years ago having a cellphone that was modifiable at the software level was a joke 10:19 < cluckj> everything was proprietary 10:20 < chapta_> yes, but that does not weak my point at all 10:20 < cluckj> having a mostly open-source phone is better than an entirely closed one 10:20 < chapta_> Android is only partly opensource 10:20 < chapta_> yes, but that does not weak my point at all 10:20 < cluckj> what is your point? 10:21 < chapta_> Android is not that opensource we all would like it 10:21 < chapta_> is 10:21 < chris_99> You know that glowing plant project, because they're going to sell seeds, does that mean the plants wouldn't be sterile 10:22 < cluckj> chris_99, they might not produce viable glowing plants on the second generation 10:23 < chris_99> how would they collect seeds though then? or can you somehow modify seeds? 10:23 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:25 < chapta_> crush a seed and take the dna out of it, figure out or read what ake them glow and reproduce it 10:27 < chris_99> that's not what i was wondering, if they have seeds, are they from a GMO plant then, and if so, presumably future generations would preduce seeds too? 10:28 < cluckj> yes, presumably 10:51 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d172-218-204-108.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:07 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-58-169-129-1.lns4.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11 < eudoxia> paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1142/S0217732306022237 11:11 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7746e26fccde9708e185ae8b34ce608.txt 11:13 < eudoxia> paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/S0217732306022237 11:13 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/28fc671a673fefbf45752f4f29120715.txt 11:17 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-50-183-58-192.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-50-183-58-192.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- chapta_ [d95cdcb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.92.220.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:28 -!- juri__ [~juri@pool-151-200-31-27.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36 -!- juri__ [~juri@pool-151-200-31-27.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38 -!- juri_ [~juri@pool-151-200-32-188.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-133-229-102.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:46 -!- juri_ [~juri@pool-151-200-32-188.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48 -!- juri_ [~juri@pool-151-200-35-29.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 < chris_99> for anyone who his interested in the glowing plants just got an email about whether they're fertile 12:32 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-205-203-255.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 < chris_99> 'The seeds are planned to be fertile with the glowing factor inheritable.' 12:32 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-226-142-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:33 < chris_99> *who is 12:36 < kanzure> haha planned 12:36 < kanzure> ParahSailin: ^ 12:39 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:ccec:9197:a34f:f74f] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 < chris_99> Did you buy a working synthesizer kanzure, if so how much do the chemicals cost out of interest? 12:41 < kanzure> chemicals are going to be like $1500-$2000 tops 12:41 < kanzure> there's a broken tube that needs to be replaced 12:42 < chris_99> $2000 for all? 12:42 < kanzure> for the chemicals, i think so 12:42 < kanzure> but they expire pretty quick, so $2k/mo maybe :) 12:42 < chris_99> oh bugger 12:43 < kanzure> that's not too bad 12:44 < chris_99> Do you know how much it'd then cost per base pair? like is it a lot cheaper than labs? 12:44 < kanzure> i haven't calculated that at the moment 12:44 < kanzure> the manual claims up to 175 bp but i really really doubt it 12:48 < chris_99> Where would you buy the chemicals from? Do most bioscience places stock them 13:10 < nmz787_i> chris_99: no it will not be cheaper to do synthesis in-house on that machine 13:10 < chris_99> aha 13:10 < chris_99> So the main cost is the chemicals really then? 13:10 < nmz787_i> chris_99: about 1-2 liters of waste per 100bp... I haven't called the city with a chemical list to see what disposal even costs 13:10 < chris_99> eek 13:11 < nmz787_i> chris_99: well it's that the machine is horribly wasteful 13:11 < chris_99> why the heck does it waste so much heh 13:11 < nmz787_i> it works 13:11 < nmz787_i> 30 years ago that didn't matter as the alternative was cloning, which didn't allow things like the codon table to be elucidated 13:12 < nmz787_i> well, or doing this by hand, which is likely even more wasteful/inefficient 13:13 < chris_99> Are more expensive machines less wasteful 13:13 < chris_99> then 13:27 -!- d3vz3r0 [~d3vz3r0@jsr.6502.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:38 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@126-249-15.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:44 < kanzure> From: "Ed Boyden, esb@media.mit.edu" 13:44 < kanzure> "LeafLabs is a small embedded electronics consulting firm based out of Cambridge, MA. In partnership with the Synthetic Neurobiology Group at MIT we have designed a system for ultra-high channel count electrophysiological recording" 13:46 < kanzure> http://leaflabs.com/ 13:46 < kanzure> https://github.com/leaflabs/maple 13:46 < kanzure> https://github.com/leaflabs/libmaple 13:46 < kanzure> archels: whatdoyouthink? 13:46 < bkero> jrayhawk: http://imgur.com/H6TRcrE 13:47 < archels> kanzure: was just going to ask you for more info 13:47 < kanzure> ed boyden is fun, so there's that 13:49 < kanzure> i wonder what they consider ultra-high to be 13:49 < kanzure> i would guess at least 128 13:49 < archels> yeah me too 13:49 < archels> I don't see any headstage boards on those repositories 13:51 < archels> did Boyden post to a list or private? 13:51 < kanzure> one of them also works for http://www.twinleaf.com/ "high-performance magnetic field sensors" 13:51 < kanzure> he emailed it to msgs@media.mit.edu 13:52 < kanzure> 128 is just high, that is not deserving of ultra 13:52 < kanzure> ultra should mean at least a thousand, imho 13:53 < kanzure> if they have a million electrode microarray for neurophysiology reasons that would be cool 13:53 < kanzure> erm i mean electrophysiology obviously 13:57 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:57 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 < archels> too bad that the number of neurons you can record only scales linearly with the number of electrode sites 13:59 < kanzure> wasn't there something that scaled better than that 13:59 < kanzure> quantum dots? 14:02 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:02 < archels> I'm sure that optical scales supralinearly with the number of pixels in some regime 14:02 < archels> I'm just not sure how soon that saturates 14:05 < kanzure> bkero: so what you're saying is you're one step behind him 14:05 < kanzure> bkero: guess he should watch his back 14:06 < bkero> Haha 14:06 < bkero> one step = 2 days 14:06 * bkero went over to Opus datacenter to use their bathroom since the one here is too busy 14:11 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 < jrayhawk> there's a google guy who also writes funny things there 14:32 < jrayhawk> everyone else is boring :mad: 14:33 < dingo> i'm boring 14:33 < kanzure> he should have wrote "gotta poop" obviously 14:33 < kanzure> at least he would have been honest 14:57 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09 < FourFire> kanzure, I reckon we'll need microtechnology (tens of microns scale robots) just to position the electrodes on an noninvasive brain scan which will have sufficient resolution to do mind recording 15:09 -!- juri_ [~juri@pool-151-200-35-29.washdc.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:09 < FourFire> but hey I'm sure you can do lots of fun stuff with 128 15:10 < FourFire> what's the max for daisychained openBCI again? 15:10 < kanzure> microelectrode arrays exist, you know 15:14 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-wcwmaaiwedgixtcg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:19 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26 < nmz787_i> chris_99: no, more expensive machines generally just produce more mass of the same oligos 15:51 < FourFire> kanzure, how expensive do they tend to be? 15:52 < FourFire> (oh yeah, also I recently joined a hackerspace, they have some interesting equipment, but I'm not the type to start projects and so on) 15:55 < kanzure> i've never bought one 15:55 < kanzure> it's "request quote" 16:06 < chris_99> nmz787, i think i saw a tear down on your take it apart site, of a DNA 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