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05:38 < poppingtonic> paperbot: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=203256
05:38 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1145%2F203241.203256
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07:23 < kanzure> swig swig swig
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07:35 < archels> paperbot: http://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.89.264501
07:35 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go)
07:39 < archels> got it, thanks
07:39 < kanzure> hm
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08:40 < kanzure> "even the original author of swig hates swig" http://code.activestate.com/lists/python-dev/109281/
08:40 < chris_99> haha
08:45 < kanzure> "If I went to implement something like SWIG today, I would almost surely base my implementation on Clang (http://clang.llvm.org/). They have a full C++ parser (carefully hand-crafted, quite admirably keeping a relatively comprehensible code-base for such a task) used in a real compiler front-end, and a flexible library structure aimed at creating tools. There are also Python bindings that would allow to do most of the interesting ...
08:45 < kanzure> ... Python-interface-specific work in Python - parse the C++ headers using Clang's existing parser into ASTs - then generate ctypes / extensions from that, *in Python*."
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08:52 < kanzure> .title http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/07/03/parsing-c-in-python-with-clang/
08:52 < yoleaux> Eli Bendersky's website  » Parsing C++ in Python with Clang
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09:24 < kanzure> environment-sensitive hydrogels for drug delivery http://www.kinam.com/Articles/Hydrogels%20Papers/Qiu%2001%20ADDR.pdf
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10:17 < kanzure> bbrittain: hi
10:18 < bbrittain> kanzure: hey
10:18 < kanzure> sup
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16:25 < kanzure> this is thorough-ish http://www.talkingquickly.co.uk/2014/06/rails-development-environment-with-vagrant-and-docker/
16:25 < kanzure> explains vagrant+docker for people silly enough to want vagrant too
16:28 < catern> am i right in thinking vagrant is awful
16:28 < catern> why would you want to have an automated deployment mechanism that isn't production-ready, amirite
16:33 < kanzure> vagrant is just a wrapper around a number of different hypervisors
16:33 < kanzure> just because vagrant is capable of booting up a vm image doesn't mean that that vm image has been tainted by vagrant
16:34 < catern> doesn't vagrant create vm images?
16:34 < kanzure> if you ask it to
16:34 < catern> but isn't that the entire point?
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16:36 < kanzure> also i guess it depends on your strange definition of deployment
16:37 < kanzure> if i am spinning up a vm for testing reasons, is that deployment
17:08 < streety> I had been under the impression docker could substitute for vagrant
17:08 < catern> yes, a testing vm is deployment
17:09 < streety> also, any ideas why "Separate Docker containers for the Rails application, PostgreSQL and Redis" is used?
17:09 < kanzure> vagrant is just a utility thing, you can throw around docker containers or virtualbox images or whatever you please
17:09 < kanzure> there are separate containers because separation of concerns
17:10 < kanzure> and one container is supposed to correspond to one application
17:10 < kanzure> a database, key/value cache database thing, and a rails application are definitely separate things
17:12 < kanzure> http://orchardup.github.io/fig/index.html
17:21 < streety> thanks
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17:23 < kanzure> i am reviewing some old containers i wrote with fig
17:23 < kanzure> and i clearly had no idea what i was doing
17:23 < kanzure> one of the containers has two subcontainers for no apparent reason
17:24 < catern> i just dislike the vagrantfile thing
17:24 < catern> having yet another way to specify configuration is dumb if you can't use that configuration in production
17:25 < kanzure> most of the time i've seen people using vagrant as a way to distribute a vm when they don't know what hypervisor the other person wants to use
17:25 < kanzure> you don't have to make up fancypants configuration that has to happen in production
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18:33 < ParahSailin_> kanzure: what sort of vm would one use if you wanted to automate building distributable packages in various os versions; ie a work flow of push to git repo, spawn up distro in a box, build rpm in distro, export rpm to host system
18:34 < ParahSailin_> or even a chroot jail might work for that, if all you want to do is link to different shared objects
18:36 < kanzure> i've made that sort of workflow a number of times, and to be honest most of my answer is "it depends on the other jerks on your team"
18:37 < kanzure> for the last segment: fpm, scp to yum host, createrepo to reindex rpms (don't do it as fucking root)
18:37 < ParahSailin_> yeah i already am using fpm
18:38 < ParahSailin_> team is just me
18:38 < kanzure> rpm should have a version number or unique id in filename so that you can have old references etc
18:38 < ParahSailin_> right now im just using fucking virtualbox on a windows desktop host
18:38 < kanzure> do you have a favorite continuous integration thing? you can just dump the "git clone/fetch/whatever and fpm" on a continuous integration slave.
18:40 < kanzure> you could also wire one up manually i guess, where you have a git server somewhere that uses a git receive hook to trigger the slavework
18:40 < ParahSailin_> so have several vm's constantly running with git servers?
18:40 < kanzure> i think most people just giveup and use jenkins or teamcity, but i haven't looked lately
18:41 < kanzure> well, no matter what, you're going to need at least one vm that will be doing the building and packaging (because presumably you need a specific environment and toolchain to do so)
18:43 < kanzure> none of your problems are fpm/rpm related
18:44 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is this the only way to get environment variables into nginx.conf? http://stackoverflow.com/a/24696592/687783
18:46 < kanzure> this person is doing weird things (regex replace to populate nginx.conf) https://github.com/shepmaster/nginx-template-image/blob/master/bin/substitute-env-vars.sh
18:48 < kanzure> "set_by_lua $api_key 'return os.getenv("API_KEY")';" just seems like a very roundabout way to do this
18:50 < kanzure> haha what "and since Nginx does not (yet) support dynamic loading of modules which means a recompile of Nginx is needed to get support for running Lua"
18:50 < jrayhawk> there's the 'env' directive in core
18:51 < jrayhawk> that said, there's no direct CGI execution, so it's not clear what you'd want them for
18:51 < kanzure> stuff like proxy_pass $var
18:53 < jrayhawk> oh. templating can be done with M4.
18:53 < kanzure> maybe i'll just use jinja2 templates to generate my actual config file
18:53 < jrayhawk> or that
18:53 < kanzure> righto
18:54 < jrayhawk> or use lighty, which has much more flexible configuration syntax
18:54 < kanzure> static config files are wrong anyway. all the cool kids just use nginx/haproxy talking to another local daemon to decide when to add/remove entries based on your application's network weather.
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18:56 < catern> amen to that
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22:52 < kanzure> jrayhawk: mount: cgroup already mounted or cpuset busy
22:53 < kanzure> not your fault, is from another box, just wondering wtf
22:54 < kanzure> internet says i gotta reboot but i am skeptical
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23:52 < kanzure> "Note: When mapping ports in the HOST:CONTAINER format, you may experience erroneous results when using a container port lower than 60, because YAML will parse numbers in the format xx:yy as sexagesimal (base 60). For this reason, we recommend always explicitly specifying your port mappings as strings."
23:52 < kanzure> of course
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23:58 < jrayhawk> i would need a little more context for that cgroup thing
23:59 < jrayhawk> most notably i can't imagine doing anything with cgroup that isn't already done for you by a default fstab
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