--- Log opened Fri Jul 25 00:00:14 2014 00:40 -!- Coldblackice [darkblue@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-msildczxesaemxdf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:44 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d205-250-248-110.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:59 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08 -!- petrushk [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has quit [Quit: quit] 01:08 -!- mokstar [~Mookaborb@unaffiliated/mokstar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:22 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:55 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:22 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:30 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.143.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:48 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:c049:27c1:64f1:9a2a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:30 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:31 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:48 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:c049:27c1:64f1:9a2a] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:12 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:01 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:03 < superkuh> I am only downloading this tripe in order to argue against the concept. 08:03 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223%2813%2900981-5/fulltext 08:03 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) 08:04 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(13)00981-5/pdf 08:04 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) 08:04 < kanzure> important science http://i.imgur.com/vthjHeH.jpg 08:37 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:43 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:46 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:13 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:35 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38 < heath> kanzure: have you expereienced vagrant being noticeably slower than working outside of a vm? 09:39 < heath> seems to take forever to do tasks such as launching a ruby server 09:39 < kanzure> what hypervisor are you using 09:39 < kanzure> use vagrant's lxc provider and it will be less painful. but you could also just skip the vagrant part. 09:40 < heath> http://tonyhb.com/unsuck-your-vagrant-developing-in-one-vm-with-vagrant-and-docker 09:41 < heath> that would save sometime, not having to write the ansible create and deploy scripts 09:41 < heath> s/sometime/some time 09:45 < heath> i'll look into the lxc provider as well 09:52 < kanzure> by lxc provider i really just mean docker in your case 09:52 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52 < kanzure> often the reason i have to use vagrant at all is because of all the pesky osx users 09:53 < dingo> 12:40 < heath> seems to take forever to do tasks such as launching a ruby server 09:53 < dingo> i would imagine your VM doesn't have the appropriate virtualbox/vmware guest tools, so it doesn't have the more improved disk i/o paths they provide 09:53 < dingo> ruby is very heavy on filesystem calls on startup 09:55 < kanzure> truth 09:58 < kanzure> i am experiencing some strange problems running bitcoind in a container at the moment 09:58 < kanzure> ssh into the container and run my command, bitcoind launches and goes well 09:58 < kanzure> but if i am not actually connected to a terminal, bitcoind fails to start 09:58 < kanzure> when i login, it's not asking for my input at any point 10:00 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:09 -!- entelechy [~elysium@181.194.143.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 < kanzure> dingo: how do most programs do tty detection and how do i fool them 10:32 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:55 < dingo> :) its a system call, man 3 isatty 10:56 < dingo> the way to fool them is by using a pty, like pexpect does, pty.fork, 10:56 < dingo> i have an example somewhere, let me gather... its not trivial 10:56 < kanzure> are they wrong to do this sort of detection 10:56 < dingo> no; it indicates that it may do tcgetattr(3) and other terminal ioctls 10:57 < dingo> which would otherwise fail 10:57 < dingo> like getting the size of the screen... or setting/getting various modes like you would see with 'stty -a' 10:57 < kanzure> blah okay. 10:57 < kanzure> that makes sense 10:57 < dingo> ls does this for example, this is why it only prints colors to the screen, but if you redirect stdout to a file, its not colored 11:01 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:03 < justanotheruser> 7388BTC of ethereum IPO bought 11:04 < justanotheruser> $4.4million 11:05 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 < dingo> https://github.com/jquast/blessed/blob/master/blessed/tests/test_keyboard.py#L385 11:06 < dingo> thats a crummy pty.fork() example, any program the child launches would beleive it is being used by a terminal, even if the parent is not 11:06 < dingo> there is a @as_subprocess decorator in accessories.py also 11:08 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23 < kanzure> dingo: thanks 11:38 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 -!- trotsky [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:44 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:47 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03 < justanotheruser> Anyone here want to discuss nootropics? 12:03 < justanotheruser> Specifically piracetam? 12:03 < kanzure> what about it 12:03 < justanotheruser> I have a lot of it 12:03 < kanzure> hah 12:03 < justanotheruser> .7g pills 12:03 < justanotheruser> I took it for a while about 6-8 months ago 12:04 < justanotheruser> but I didn't notice any effects 12:04 < justanotheruser> I took up to 3g a day 12:04 < justanotheruser> should I megadose and take like 8g/day to see if it does anything? 12:08 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:09 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.73] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:27 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:31 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:48 -!- [nsh] [~unf@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:49 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d205-250-248-110.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- chapta [~chatzilla@p54AB0670.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:24 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 -!- AshleyWaffle_ [~waffle@gateway/tor-sasl/anastasiawyatt] has quit [] 13:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.240.136.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.240.136.12] has quit [Changing host] 13:33 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 < dingo> http://www.photokami.com/Hurtfeelings.pdf 13:33 < kanzure> i bet i could file 100 of these 13:38 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:51 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:52 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.240.136.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@88.240.136.12] has quit [Changing host] 13:53 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- maaku_ [~quassel@50-0-36-179.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-36-179.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:40 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44 < heath> didn't see this 14:44 < heath> 09:39 < kanzure> what hypervisor are you using 14:44 < heath> virtualbox 14:46 -!- maaku_ [~quassel@50-0-36-179.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:47 < kanzure> that can be why slow 14:56 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@dhcp-130-58-199-170.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Quit: DANG] 14:57 < nmz787_i> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo_plot 14:57 < nmz787_i> .wik 14:57 < yoleaux> Search for an article on Wikipedia 14:57 < nmz787_i> .wik shmoo plot 14:57 < yoleaux> "In electrical engineering, a shmoo plot is a graphical display of the response of a component or system varying over a range of conditions and inputs. Often used to represent the results of the testing of complex electronic systems such as computers or integrated circuits such as DRAMs, ASICs or microprocessors." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo_plot 14:58 < nmz787_i> .wik shmoo 14:58 < yoleaux> "A shmoo (plural: shmoon, also shmoos) is a fictional cartoon creature. Created by Al Capp (1909–1979), it first appeared in his classic comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo 15:02 < nmz787_i> "The shmoo has been suggested as a hypothetical example of the potential falsifiability of natural selection as a key driving mechanism of biological evolution" 15:02 < nmz787_i> I'm not sure how to interpret that 15:03 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/itc/1996/2121/00/21210932.pdf 15:03 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) 15:08 < nmz787_i> "Who was the Shmoo? “It was a cute little white, squash-shaped cartoon character created by Al Capp in his comic strip “Li’l Abner,” in 1948, see figure 1. Shmoos bred like rabbits and could produce any object at the drop of a hat. Since they loved to please humans, they would willingly pump out milk, eggs, filet mignon, caviar, or anything else if requested. At first glance Shmoos seemed to herald the arrival of Utopia. Unfortunately, a p 15:09 < dingo> haha that reminds me of a rick and morty episode 15:15 < dingo> http://video.adultswim.com/rick-and-morty/meeseeks-and-destroy.html 2 minutes in 15:35 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35 < nmz787_i> huh, yeah the resemblance is there for sure 15:41 -!- gully_foyle_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:47 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 < heath> solution: nfs 16:07 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:20 -!- Gully_foil_ja [~theghosto@pool-71-116-68-251.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:21 -!- andytosh1 [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- cuba_ [~qba@cracksucht.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:28 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: cuba, gully_foyle_ja, andytoshi 16:40 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n6/pdf/nphys1652.pdf 16:41 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9e3a69d79121fb49039859bc1f8853d5.txt 16:48 < ParahSailin_> oh. thats why they call yeast budding shmooing 17:04 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/session] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:09 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:09 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:12 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-83-111-8.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-89-45-17.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:13 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/session] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14 -!- nmz787_i1 [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:31 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:32 -!- devrandom [~devrandom@70-36-136-78.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 17:42 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 -!- maaku is now known as Guest79553 17:50 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-121-223-165-77.lns3.bat.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/session] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < bbrittain> paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/ast.2009.0362 18:00 < paperbot> XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) 18:00 < bbrittain> :( 18:01 < kanzure> feel free to bugfix 18:01 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 18:12 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:48 -!- petrushk [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:00 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 < nmz787_i> superkuh: did you get that paper, title sounds awesom 19:02 < superkuh> Yes. 19:02 < superkuh> I only am reading it to use as arguments against things though. I have no intrinsic interested in the concept. 19:03 < superkuh> People trying to claim it as an example of biological coherence to support microtubule quantum consciousness. :\ 19:03 < nmz787_i> "The identification of entanglement which was referred to by Schrödinger as the characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its entire departure from classical lines of thought between spatially distinct components of a biological system under natural functioning conditions further expands the field of physical systems for which non-trivial and uniquely quantum signatures become manifest." 19:04 < nmz787_i> superkuh: well seems like you'd need data similar to that paper's to be collected to figure out coherenence 19:04 < superkuh> http://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/2bm19s/an_excerpt_from_upcoming_novel_echopraxia_by/cj7pppw 19:07 < nmz787_i> well I can say one thing... if photosynthesis depends on coherence, and photosynthesis makes sugars, then I'd say there's a signal cascade/pathway 19:07 < nmz787_i> AFAIK microtubules are small-molecule signalled too 19:08 < superkuh> It doesn't depend on it. 19:08 < superkuh> It just can happen. 19:08 < nmz787_i> which/what? 19:08 < superkuh> Photosynthesis does not depend on long timescale coherence between the chromatophores in the proteins. 19:09 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:09 < nmz787_i> so what 19:09 < nmz787_i> i mean 19:09 < nmz787_i> who cares if it's long or not 19:09 < nmz787_i> it makes sugar as a result 19:09 < nmz787_i> which is a long-timescale signal 19:10 < kanzure> bitcoind is 72 MB o_o 19:10 < nmz787_i> are you arguing this specifically? "A hive mind that spoke in tongues: that was how the Bicamerals did it, supposedly. Some kind of bioradio in their heads, a communal corpus callosum: electrons jiggling around in microtubules, some kind of quantum-entanglement thing. Completely organic to get around the ban on B2B interfaces. A spigot that poured many minds into one on command." 19:11 < kanzure> that author is obviously not very imaginative 19:11 < nmz787_i> well it seems to go along with a lot of historical memes 19:12 < superkuh> Yeah. It was just a throwaway concept. I hold Watts to a higher standard that most scifi authors because he is awesome. 19:12 < superkuh> In Blindsight everything was perfect and still packed full of physics concepts. 19:12 < nmz787_i> cool 19:12 < kanzure> you're doing god's work 19:12 < nmz787_i> never heard of him 19:12 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 < superkuh> I am a bit disturbed by how many people are working on using low intensity magnetic fields to try to influence the brain. I have always held that this was pseudo-science given the lack of physical mechanism of action. But I guess the psych people don't care. http://www.tmslab.org/publications/528.pdf http://clinicaltrial.gov/ct2/show/NCT01654796 19:16 < superkuh> (this is tangential to the above because usually crackpots try to tie in low magnetic field stimulation with quantum conscious microtubules) 19:17 < nmz787_i> I kinda thought about the anti-argument to that last quote, starting a few years ago, from a philosophical/darwin/natural-selection/survival-of-the-fittest perspective. Basically I surmised that if it was something so basic as other bio transceivers (small-molecule, sound/pressure waves, line-of-sight light photons) that evolution wouldn't have favored it becuse it would have lacked security if transmission wattage was high. I was assuming that 19:17 < kanzure> cutoff around the time you go assuming 19:18 < nmz787_i> like how would it survive if it was a long-range/non-directional broadcast 19:19 < ParahSailin_> kanzure: static linking stdc++.a? 19:19 < nmz787_i> so we've either architected to ignore modulations of that sort... 'quantum hardy' 19:19 < kanzure> i think they're linking libboost and everything else 19:19 < nmz787_i> or it is indeed scifi 19:19 < ParahSailin_> ah, static linking libboost and stdc++ 19:20 < kanzure> kitchen sink approach. got it. 19:20 < nmz787_i> or something else 19:20 < ParahSailin_> why the fuck boost 19:20 < kanzure> why berkeley db 19:21 < ParahSailin_> ok this is strong evidence that someone in the deeper recesses of government is behind bitcoind 19:22 < kanzure> or it was an oldie 19:22 < kanzure> because none of the kids use berkeley db. ever. 19:33 < nmz787_i> psh, you guys are crazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB#Programs_that_use_Berkeley_DB 19:39 < kanzure> it was sqlite before sqlite 19:40 < kanzure> a lot of that is pretty old shit 20:03 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:08 -!- ElixirVitae [~Shehrazad@unaffiliated/shehrazad] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:11 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: DANG] 20:12 < catern> no it's not 20:12 < catern> Bitcoin? 20:18 < catern> oh 20:18 < catern> that's why you're talking about it 20:18 < ParahSailin_> directed by m night shamalyan 20:25 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:28 < kanzure> welp my problem was https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4175 20:35 -!- Guest79553 [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:36 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 -!- maaku is now known as Guest34141 20:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:05 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08 -!- Coldblackice is now known as Coldblackice_zz 21:34 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:04 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@pool-96-245-106-29.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:26 -!- cpopellzzzz is now known as cpopellpostbooze 23:19 -!- Coldblackice_zz is now known as Coldblackice 23:34 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] --- Log closed Sat Jul 26 00:00:15 2014