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03:11 < kanzure> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dustri.org/b/torbrowserbundleorg.html
03:11 < kanzure> < nextgens> jvoisin> if you want some malware to look into: torbundlebrowser.org
03:12 < kanzure> http://dustri.org/b/files/b7e516a33956cc60703cd0057d8d8874.zip
03:12 < kanzure> "I downloaded the alleged Tor Browser Bundle (password: infected), named "torbrowser-install-3.6.3_en-US.exe", and PEiD/yara told me that it's a .NET executable. ILSpy shows us: ...."
03:13 < kanzure> "Their server is a stack of outdated crap, feel free to root them for more details."
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03:55 < kyknos> paperbot, http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2028.1978.tb00434.x/abstract
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04:20 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7be3258d070a948b89c5f505178c2b59.txt
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06:52 < dpk> archels: yo.
06:52 < dpk> .oed ill repute
06:52 < yoleaux> Not found in the OED.
06:52 < dpk> ⬑ no
06:53 < dpk> .oed house of ill repute
06:53 < dpk> seems to derive in more general usage from that ⬏
06:53 < yoleaux> house, n.1 and int.: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/88886?p=emailAES3BvjQT/qso&d=88886
06:54 < dpk> that ⬏
06:55 < dpk> earliest quotation in a full-text search outside of 'house of …' is 1680
06:55 < archels> well, the wikitionary entry leads me to believe that 'ill repute', without reference to a house, is a separate thing
06:57  * dpk nods
06:57 < dpk> 'ill, adj. and n.' has not been revised for the OED3 yet. maybe it will be added then
06:57 < dpk> .oed 91345
06:58 < yoleaux> ill, adj. and n.: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/91345?p=emailAE7pQEOvhsUhU&d=91345
07:00 < pasky_> Webster1913 has "Ill fame, ill or bad repute; as, a house of ill fame, a house where lewd persons meet for illicit intercourse"
07:00 < pasky_> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=ill&use1913=on&use1828=on
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07:14 < kanzure> what
07:21 < kanzure> why did paperbot take 25 minutes?
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07:26 < ParahSailin> it cant be bargained with. it doesnt feel pity, remorse, or fear. and it will never ever stop until your paper is found
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07:46 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:46 < chris_99> aloha
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07:47 < JayDugger> Hawaii's still there?
07:47 < chris_99> heh
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09:08 < chris_99> nmz787_i, have you programmed those fx2lp boards btw, i'm curious if you can use the 128kbit EEPROM on PCB, for program storage
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11:54 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: I've tweaked the EEPROM I believe that stored the PID and VID
11:54 < chris_99> gotcha yeah that would be the 128K one
11:54 < chris_99> did you just use one of the software programs and do it via USB
11:55 < nmz787_i1> i used an arduino and minigrabbers
11:56 < chris_99> ah interesting
11:56 < nmz787_i1> it was not the fx2 chip, it was a separate IC
11:57 < chris_99> mmmm
11:58 < nmz787_i1> http://www.epanorama.net/newepa/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/usbee21.jpg
12:00 < chris_99> i'm looking @ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181156425615?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
12:00 < chris_99> i was thinking of making a buspirate or something
12:00 < chris_99> out of it
12:01 < nmz787_i1> not sure if this is using the fx2 itself http://www.triplespark.net/elec/periph/USB-FX2/eeprom/
12:01 < chris_99> i was on that page earlier
12:01 < nmz787_i1> but here it shows the VID and PID http://solaraspost.blogspot.com/2013/01/saleaeusbee-dual-mode-logic-analyser.html
12:01 < chris_99> "Fxload is a small and useful tool to program an EEPROM attached to the FX2."
12:02 < nmz787_i1> and that the eeprom is I2C
12:02 < nmz787_i1> well yeah but that doesn't tell about the implementation
12:02 < nmz787_i1> i mean, that sentence isn't falsified if it requires an arduino for example
12:02 < chris_99> no, i mean, that sentance makes it sound like the eeprom
12:02 < nmz787_i1> IMO at least, since the EEPROM would still be attached
12:02 < chris_99> is always separate
12:03 < nmz787_i1> ah
12:03 < nmz787_i1> ya
12:03 < chris_99> interestingly my salae 16 clone
12:03 < chris_99> has a xilinx
12:03 < chris_99> in
12:03 < nmz787_i1> i think the fx2 is much faster than the buspirate
12:03 < chris_99> mmm thats something i was thinking so maybe it could do cooler stuff
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12:43 < kanzure> i predict incoming spam from these borons: http://www.biodirectusa.com/
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13:18  * heath waits on fig to finish building...
13:19 < heath> i've been given a quiz from a company for a django position
13:19 < heath> https://gist.github.com/heath/d51b26002d14541f0280
13:20 < heath> is there a better way of doing this?
13:20 < heath> i'm not a django expert by any means
13:33 < archels> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer-aided_design_editors
13:33 < archels> kanzure: do you know any unconventional CAD tools that are not in this list?
13:33 < archels> e.g. Blender is not in there
13:34 < archels> 3D specifically
13:36 < kanzure> heath: can't tell what the problem is. the comments refer to an __init__ but i don't see one.
13:36 < archels> hmm, Google sold off SketchUp? odd.
13:36 < heath> kanzure: i'm refactoring after a few comments from some nashvillians
13:39 < kanzure> archels: sisl cad.py tinkercad euclid heekscad opencascade alibrecad rhino beaglecad unigraphics maya... lots more.
13:43 < archels> ah yeah I built some software with SISL once
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13:45 < kanzure> really
13:45 < kanzure> i have read through the sisl source code a few times
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13:54 < dingo> 16:22 < heath> is there a better way of doing this?
13:55 < dingo> i don't know django models very well, but at minimum return u' '.join(self.firstname, self.lastname) :)
13:56 < dingo> i would just write some tests to test the relationship, build a few fake students and fake campus's and be able to verify their relationships, and i'm sure it'll become clear
13:56 < dingo> i haven't yet gotten desperate enough for work to learn Django
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14:00 < delinquentme> there still aren't cheap FPGAs are there?
14:00 < chris_99> sure there are
14:01 < delinquentme> I know this is like size-dependent but whats the cheapest on the market going for about now?
14:01 < chris_99> seen http://www.joelw.id.au/FPGA/CheapFPGADevelopmentBoards ?
14:07 < nmz787_i1> heath: I can't remember if that way would require you to use reverse for getting the student's campuses... or if it would be incorrect to add a manytomany in the student back to the campuses
14:08 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: lattice
14:08 < nmz787_i1> few dollars
14:09 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: $25 dev board http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN&vendor=220
14:09 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/icestick-evaluation-board/40913
14:11 < nmz787_i1> just found this, looks like it might be cool http://www.xmos.com/startkit
14:11 < chris_99> mmm xmos is interesting
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14:11 < chris_99> i think they use llvm for their compiler
14:13 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: some decents comments on xmos http://hackaday.com/2013/10/20/hackaday-links-october-20-2013/
14:15 < nmz787_i1> whoo hoo, just got FIB time for learning to script drawing bitmaps and the rest the software's scriptable features
14:16 < nmz787_i1> I think the computer may be too old to do reasonable real-time video processing though... so I either need to try upgrading it or seeing if the ethernet or something might be an option
14:16 < chris_99> FIB time?
14:16 < nmz787_i1> I think developing an ISA or PCI card module is out of the question
14:16 < nmz787_i1> yea
14:17 < nmz787_i1> I can start drawin nanoz
14:25 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: oscope based on that http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberrypi_projects/blog/2014/06/22/xmos-startkit-xmos-and-raspberry-pi-oscilloscope-xae-1000
14:25 < chris_99> cool
14:25 < chris_99> looks fun to play with
14:25 < chris_99> have you looked into Parallela
14:25 < chris_99> at all
14:26 < chris_99> it seems like that has FPGA+ARM (Zynq) and also their weird multicore GPU like thing
14:26 < nmz787_i1> nah ah
14:26 < nmz787_i1> hmm, not too shabby ADC, 12 bit at 1msps
14:26 < nmz787_i1> better than AVR
14:27 < nmz787_i1> ahh, the codez https://github.com/shabaz123/XAE1000
14:27 < nmz787_i1> C
14:27 < chris_99> hmmm i'm curious how the core work
14:28 < chris_99> it's got strange definitions in there too like [[combinable]]
14:32 < archels> delinquentme: what do you want an FPGA for?
14:32 < kanzure> what do you not want an fpga for
14:32 < kanzure> what sorta question is that :p
14:33 < archels> I am curious as to the application, and it should probably be a relevant factor in deciding which one to get
14:34 < kanzure> alright
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14:38 < archels> heh, BeagleCad only points back to http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq/
14:38 < archels> do you have a link for it?
14:38 < kanzure> oh damn i probabl meant eaglecad, huh
14:39 < kanzure> that doesn't sound right though. eaglecad doesn't belong on that list.
14:39 < kanzure> sorry, i don't seem to have anything lese on it
14:39 < kanzure> *else
14:40 < chris_99> nmz787_i1, you need to record a video for HaD sooon ;)
14:43 < nmz787_i1> BeagleCAD sounds more exciting
14:43 < nmz787_i1> dogeCAD
14:43 < kanzure> archels: there was also lolcad but i never got it to do anything, the author is a huge douchebag
14:44 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: ugh, yeah
14:44 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: I've been tired after work lately and didn't work on the octopart BOM stuff at all during defcon
14:44 < nmz787_i1> the chromebook couldn't copy the files from my android phon
14:44 < archels> kanzure: heh
14:44 < nmz787_i1> yay for Google's shit not working with itself
14:44 < chris_99> ah darn
14:48 < nmz787_i1> so apparently the site ahappmango sucks... i ordered from them 4 or 5 weeks ago and they sent me tracking numbers twice now that ended up being delivered on the other side of the country
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14:50 < delinquentme> archels, someone had mentioned that a FPGA could be used as a software controllable 'end point' for the more complex chips on a piece of hardware
14:50 < delinquentme> IE " if we want to version control everything and minimize intra-generation machine variance ... FPGAs could be really helpful "
14:51 < archels> yeah, Andrew Huang did that on his Novena laptop
14:53 < archels> more CAD software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_modeling_software
14:54 < chris_99> hmm is the FPGA mainly tied to the CPU, and providing some GPIO, other stuff like the NIC doesn't seem to go through it?
14:54 < kanzure> archels: cadquery is pretty close to great, but there are some rough spots, like the freecad dependency and some opencascade weirdness
14:54 < kanzure> for example, a hole in the middle of a rectangle can't be cut if it's smaller than 0.47 units
14:55 < kanzure> but otherwise it's okay haha
15:00 < archels> yeah, who needs small holes anyway
15:00 < archels> "By including a FuseSurface feature designed for fusing 2 NURBS surfaces together, Seamless3d allows for the creation of smooth continuous curvy models made from multiple NURBS surfaces."
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15:02 < kanzure> archels: i think your best bet at this point is the version of opennurbs inside brlcad
15:02 < kanzure> plus, brlcad has some extra functions for intersections of a data structure that eventuall references an opennurbs class instance
15:02 < kanzure> *eventually
15:03 < kanzure> archels: on a related note, i got an email from someone the other day offering to rewrite opennurbs in python (or c? not sure, definitely said python at least) over 4 months for about $6k USD
15:08 < archels> they just offered you that? heh
15:08 < archels> as part of a larger project?
15:09 < kanzure> brlcad gsoc student working on python-brlcad introduced me to his friend who made that offer
15:11 < archels> do you think it would be less painful than wrapping it?
15:12 < archels> all this porting to $lastestfashionablelanguage, ugh
15:12 < archels> don't get me wrong, I adore Python
15:12 < archels> but it doesn't feel like real progress
15:13 < kanzure> yeah, so i made a swig wrapper here you go http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opennurbs/brlcad-opennurbs2.zip
15:13 < kanzure> instructions http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opennurbs/README.txt
15:13 < kanzure> also the gsoc person (raj12lnm) wrote a pybindgen wrapper because he couldn't get my swig wrapper to work for him(?) https://github.com/raj12lnm/OpenNurbs-Python/
15:14 < kanzure> i just don't like mixing swig and ctypes in the same project
15:14 < kanzure> python-brlcad is based on ctypes and ctypesgen
15:14 < kanzure> and i haven't plaed around with passing pointers between ctypes and swig to see if everything blows up or mabe works
15:14 < kanzure> *mabe
15:14 < kanzure> *maybe
15:14 < kanzure> *played
15:19 < kanzure> hooking that up to cadquery would be interesting
15:27 < archels> mhrm. lesser of two evils I suppose
15:28 < kanzure> i would just wire up python-brlcad, but the primitives that are wrapped aren't really enough to do what cadquery provides
15:29 < kanzure> https://github.com/raj12lnm/python-brlcad
15:30 < kanzure> compare to https://github.com/dcowden/cadquery/blob/master/examples/FreeCAD/Ex023_Parametric_Enclosure.py
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15:57 < nmz787_i1> kanzure: would it be useful to try and convince the kicad people that 3D could be added? As far as them already having some rendering engine and lots activity these day.
15:58 < kanzure> nurbs is not an easy topic
15:59 < kanzure> they have very few incentives to write their own implementatoin
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15:59 < kanzure> and most of the options available for nurbs integration are not very well maintained (opencascade, opennurbs, sisl? that's it, i think)
16:00 < kanzure> the rendering is not actually that difficult, since the opengl standard has had nurbs tessellation for at least a decade now
16:00 < nmz787_i1> aren't they backed by CERN
16:00 < nmz787_i1> seems they would have a need for that
16:00 < nmz787_i1> somewhere
16:00 < kanzure> cern uses an ancestor of opencascade called euclid or cas.cade
16:02 < kanzure> actually they probably use solidworks or catia
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17:05 < delinquentme> cool just configured SLURM
17:05 < nmz787_i1> kanzure: and other japanime/manga fans might like this http://pbs.twimg.com/media/ButnfbTCIAAW2DG.jpg
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17:20 < kanzure> oooooold
17:47 < nmz787_i1> http://www.fpga4fun.com/PCI.html
17:48 < nmz787_i1> .title
17:48 < yoleaux> fpga4fun.com
17:48 < nmz787_i1> 'where FPGAs are fun'
17:48 < nmz787_i1> cool, I like fun
17:50 < nmz787_i1> "Win32 example application to communicate with the PCI WDM driver from a Win32 application (C source code + compiled)"
17:51 < nmz787_i1> Linux port (unsupported) (https://github.com/pficheux/KNJN)
17:51 < nmz787_i1> "As you can see, there is no 'DLL' or 'Active-X' control, just plain HDL and C code, so that you can understand and use the examples natively into your own application."
17:51 < nmz787_i1> $299.95  aww :(
17:55 < nmz787_i1> that isn't a fun price
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19:00 < nmz787_i1> well this is pretty nice http://hackaday.com/2014/05/09/bunnies-laptop-gets-a-900mhz-scope-addon/
19:01 < nmz787_i1> some PDFs of the probe schematics http://bunniefoo.com/novena/novescope/
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19:11 < cpopell> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v512/n7513/full/nature13570.html
19:11 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnature13570
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19:31 < nmz787_i1> any ideas how hard it would be to intelligently overlay dubstep or some techno on top of lecture audio? intelligently meaning choosing sound that doesn't conflict with the voice in the lecture (I think there is software to strip lyrics and make an instrumental
19:31 < nmz787_i1> 0)
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23:29 < sheena> dingo_: i hear you might know things about making my hands feel better?
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23:42 < ParahSailin> wear those robot hand things
23:45 < dingo_> ya
23:46 < dingo_> sheena: if your pain is on the outside of your hand (pinky, ring finger), and your elbows are very sensative ('hitting the funny bone' is more painful than usual), you get numbness and tingling -- then you have pinched ulnar nerves, which runs along your elbow
23:47 < dingo_> it comes from hacking a lot with compressed elbows, that is, not straigh out
23:48 < dingo_> for ergonomics, its important to find a somewhat uncomfortable posture with your arms extended out as far as possible -- i push my keyboard as far forward as the desk allows it, i also have been using kinesis advantage (not cheap, like $300) and a vertical mouse ($60) for years with good success
23:49 < dingo_> google some 'ulnar nerve stetch excersizes', there are two or three of them that i do all throughout the day, its habit now, easy enough to do
23:49 < dingo_> when the pain first started and became unbearable, i also installed a program .. "Break Reminder" for osx that would lock up my computer and have a 30s timer countdown and i set it for extreme 20 minute breaks
23:50 < dingo_> there are hand/wrist uhh.. things, that have a metal bar that position your hands in their natural position; slightly closed and not able to extend in much of any direction. you don't have to wear them *all* the time, but if the pain is very bad, then try to -- but try to wear them in your sleep
23:51 < dingo_> don't get the weak ones like a bowler might use, it needs to have the metal piece that runs under your wrists out to the palm of your hand to force the posture
23:51 < dingo_> this gives it time to heal, i haven't used any for a year or so, but i used it three or so times in the past few years after long hackathons when the pain was unbearable
23:52 < dingo_> there are also elbow supports that might help, but i find them terribly uncomfortable -- all they do is, when you do compress your elbows, its really tight and uncomfortable, but it makes it difficult to do the most simple tasks! like.. eating, or drinking from a cup, lol
23:52 < dingo_> but it does make you mindful of when you compress your elbows and make you consider new postures, especially relaxing
23:53 < dingo_> i can't use a mobile phone for any extended period, still to this day, the thumb activity is too much for me
23:54 < dingo_> and a steady diet of acetaminophen + caffiene, excedrine comes with the two mixed together but i prefer my caffiene from coffee
23:55 < dingo_> they also make a 'night time pain reliever' with acetaminophen that i use occasionally when i feel a lot of pain at night and think i might not be able to sleep over it
23:56 < dingo_> with any of those, forget the drug, it makes you groggy, so you have to think ahead, if you wait until you can't sleep, its too late, you won't make it out of bed in time
23:58 < dingo_> i pretty much work a 9-5, M-F, and fridays are days where the pain is greatest, and thats because i find other shit to do on the weekends
23:59 < dingo_> my hobbies is mostly programming... so... get ready to watch movies and other non-hand related activies... sucks... theres audio books too, i don't recommend reading books by hand
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