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00:30 < archels> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel7/5/6807530/06804688.pdf
00:31 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cd479d96ec4206f7aa701cda28c3c9fd.pdf
00:41 < nmz787_i> kanzure: hah that richard thieme mentions your site in his talk
00:41 < nmz787_i> so i've watched 2 of his talks now, on relatively different topics, and there was a good amount of overlap, i guess he's got some catch phrases
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08:17 < bbrittain> sheena: sorry, not groking. You've used ffmprobe and it's giving you back a PAR. why would you prefer for square?
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10:31 < nmz787_i1> huh, glowingPlant is based on an ornamental tobacco that is sometimes used in hookahs
10:32 < nmz787_i1> 'glowing shisha'
10:33 < chris_99> lol really?!
10:33 < chris_99> i didn't know that
10:36 < nmz787_i1> their faq says not for human use or something like that
10:37 < nmz787_i1> I think most tobacco products are not fresh though
10:37 < nmz787_i1> I wonder if any of the chews could be used fresh
10:38 < nmz787_i1> baseball players used to be used for icons that chewed tobacco
10:38 < chris_99> mm is tobacco roasted or anything
10:38 < chris_99> or just dried
10:38 < nmz787_i1> yeah idk
10:38 < nmz787_i1> or 'fermented'
10:38 < chris_99> heh
10:38 < chris_99> have you tried snus that's quite bizare
10:39 < nmz787_i1> i tried some chew/put-it-in-your-mouth tobacco once, I can't really remember much but thinking it stung and was really gross
10:39 < chris_99> yah snus is the one you put under your lip, it does sting a bit yeah
10:41 < archels> nmz787_i1: I thought they were using Arabidopsis?
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10:46 < chris_99> hmm yeah you're right
10:48 < archels> the original Science publication was a tobacco plant though; perhaps they changed it around at some point
10:49 < chris_99> ah
10:51 < delinquentme> http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2014/08/minuscule-chips-for-nmr-spectroscopy-promise-portability-parallelization
10:52 < delinquentme> ^ could this be used to take an already purified substance and further purify it? say some known solution of water / salt / protein
10:53 < delinquentme> add in nanofluidics and just pipe out portions of the sample where the molecules aren't fitting the vibrational characteristics ?
10:53 < ParahSailin> you ever used nmr?
10:53 < delinquentme> nope
10:54 < ParahSailin> you leave your wallet outside the room so the magstripes in your credit cards dont kill you
10:54 < delinquentme> I mean yea, tons of wiki
10:54 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, sure if you've got a massive magnet and its not shielded
10:54 < ParahSailin> thats nmr
10:54 < ParahSailin> fuck
10:54 < delinquentme> you read the article right?
10:55 < ParahSailin> what exactly about the m in nmr are you not understanding
10:55 < delinquentme> ........................................................
10:55 < ParahSailin> fucking magnets
10:55 < delinquentme> ok theres a big fucking box around the core of the dwave which is for isolation of whatever the fuq you need to isolate
10:55 < delinquentme> you're not actually giving feedback on the idea . You're just like " guns R dangerus "
10:56 < delinquentme> OK cool . yes. good.
10:56 < delinquentme> we're not needing to shield from neutrinos or exotic particles.
10:57 < delinquentme> Yes thats implementational hazards. They exist, They're also smaller magnets in this case.  But the question is after piping this somewhat characterized protein solution ... can it be further purified using such a technique
10:57 < delinquentme> ?
11:00 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, Can you see why I get frustrated with the feedback.  You're not actually conveying something of use.  Ok fine I appreciate that you've got cool stories about particular HUGE behemoth machine implementations of these particular technologies
11:02 < delinquentme> and now you're being a brat about the fact that I said this. Ok awesome.
11:03 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, add me on FB so I know who Im dealing with.  Im not sure if you're like 14 or just a disgruntled old man
11:04 < dingo_> haha
11:05 < kanzure> delinquentme, he's not impressed by how excited you are about normal magnet stuff
11:08 < delinquentme> not exactly 'normal magnet stuff'
11:08 < delinquentme> and again no answer.
11:09 < ParahSailin> are you paying me to be on irc?
11:09 < delinquentme> eh i supposed hes just trolling for no reason
11:10 < delinquentme> ParahSailin, your input is the equivalent of an appeal to nature
11:10 < delinquentme> I ask if something is possible. you reply : " Dont you know how to manget ?! "
11:10 < ParahSailin> ive lost interest
11:11 < delinquentme> again, add me on FB so I know who / what im dealing with
11:11 < ParahSailin> please dont highlight my name again for the next several hours
11:11 < delinquentme> sure thing miss
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11:26 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: archels, I was talking about the company that has the non-ripped-off glowingPlant... i.e. the people who the DIY-folks didn't license from
11:26 < chris_99> ah
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11:43 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: cool paper
11:43 < nmz787_i1> "“Not only did Dongwan design the chip, but he also came up with a way to use statistical distance minimization and entropy minimization to estimate the magnetic field drift and calibrate out its effect,” explains Ham. “This signal-processing method obviates the need for physical thermal regulation for the permanent magnet, which would have added hardware and increased the power consumption. That would have defeated our aim of achieving por
11:44 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: basically that is just a detector... if the bandwidth/measurements-per-second was high enough you might be able to do some separation stuff like a FACS machine
11:45 < nmz787_i1> but the sensor itself won't pull things to one side or another
11:45 < nmz787_i1> delinquentme: but this: "“An individual NMR spectroscopy experiment is inherently slow, taking several minutes to hours,” says Ham. “Using a hundred of these cheap and small spectrometer chips in parallel within a superconducting magnet bore could counter the intrinsic slowness of NMR spectroscopy, enabling a high-throughput paradigm for pharmaceutical screening and structural biology. One year of testing could be completed in a few days. W
11:49 < archels> intrinsic slowness due to low SNR, eh?
11:50 < nmz787_i1> archels: it could be a timing thing, maybe?
11:51 < nmz787_i1> like the event happens, but since they can only capture a slice of it at a time, they need to replay the event and alter the phase of the detection each time
11:54 < archels> what do you mean by slice?
11:54 < archels> data acquisition speed should not be a limiting factor in such a system
11:54 < archels> especially with such a low B0
11:56 < nmz787_i1> B0?
11:56 < nmz787_i1> archels: like how they often chain ADCs together with a phase offset to get higher bandwidth oscilloscopes
11:57 < archels> static field B_0
11:59 < archels> mhm, frankly I have more of a background in MRI (slight) than NMR (practically nil)
11:59 < nmz787_i1> how does the field strength come into play with bandwidth of the sensors?
11:59 < archels> but at least in the former case, the frontends are essentially zero-IF (direct conversion) quadrature receivers, no?
11:59 < nmz787_i1> I assume the time for the event to occur depends on the diffusion velocity of the medium.
12:00 < nmz787_i1> yea I'm speculating a lot here too
12:00 < archels> checking wikipedia. so in NMR one tends to measure the free induction decay
12:00 < nmz787_i1> but i guess since it's electrons, they might not be limited by diffusion
12:00 < nmz787_i1> is that then de brolies wavelength?
12:00 < nmz787_i1> de broglies
12:01 < archels> no, I believe its mean is given by the Larmor frequency
12:02 < archels> the frontend then mixes the picked-up (FID) signal with the Larmor frequency associated with the static magnetic field
12:02 < archels> " A spectrum from a single FID has a low signal-to-noise ratio, but fortunately it improves readily with averaging of repeated acquisitions. Good 1H NMR spectra can be acquired with 16 repeats, which takes only minutes. However, for heavier elements than hydrogen, the relaxation time is rather long, e.g. around 8 seconds for 13C."
12:02 < archels> right, so lots of repeated excitations and measurements
12:18 < nmz787_i1> pretty cool that it's so long
12:18 < nmz787_i1> not femto or picoseconds
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14:24 < kanzure> nmz787_i1: these days it's not so much a list than it is a giant graph
14:33 < nmz787_i1> yeah, whatever it is
14:33 < nmz787_i1> there was some software at defcon for that kind of graphing... 'SNOOPY'
14:34 < nmz787_i1> https://github.com/sensepost/Snoopy
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15:27 < nmz787_i1> http://recon.cx/2014/slides/
15:30 < chris_99> cool
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17:16 < kanzure> fenn: what about trucker rest stops
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19:15 < abetusk> Does anyone have suggestions for easily accessible dielectric coatings for a digital microfluidics device?
19:16 < kanzure> abetusk: use whatever jcline used.. http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/280
19:22 < juri__> http://hackaday.com/2014/08/20/lost-pla-casting-with-a-little-help-from-your-microwave/
19:23  * juri__ glows
19:29 < abetusk> kanzure, I can't find what what dielectric he used...
19:30 < abetusk> His thesis is on PDMS and doesn't mention (as far as I can tell) electrowetting
19:31 < abetusk> Also, what happened to that blog?  It looks great, but it just drops off not long after that post
19:31 < abetusk> Did he even use a dielectric?  Was he just moving the drop straight on the copper?
19:37 < kanzure> you could email him
19:37 < kanzure> he tends to be responsive
19:37 < kanzure> tell him i sent you (he is sometimes a spook)
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19:43 < abetusk> ok, thanks
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