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00:26 < archels> cute https://experiment.com/projects/can-we-biologically-extend-the-range-of-human-vision-into-the-near-infrared
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01:36 < FourFire> yeah
01:37 < FourFire> I raised concerns on their reddit thread about the possibility of reduced clarity in the red cones
01:38 < juri__> so, i successfully invented a method of casting aluminium parts from 3d printed positives using a microwave.
01:38 < juri__> (ok, two microwaves.)
01:38 < FourFire> since you'd have fewer of them striking since some of the cones are instead striking on the infared wavelength
01:39 < juri__> as soon as i'm done automating the process, i'll be working on bioprinting.
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01:46 < ebowden> juri__, \:D/
01:47 < juri__> ebowden: ready to build that fosscar yet? :)
01:47 < ebowden> Am I ready to build a car?
01:50 < ebowden> What exactly are you trying to ask me?
01:55 < juri__> yepyep. ;)
01:56 < ebowden> I am certainly not ready to build a car.
01:57 < ebowden> More interested in building a cocktail of drugs to treat the brains of people with Alzheimer's Dementia.
01:57 < ebowden> (My dad's 72, and honestly, I'm scared.)
01:58  * juri__ nods.
01:59 < ebowden> Do you know anyone who suffers from a neurodegenerative disease, out of curiosity?
02:00 < juri__> not really. ataxia, that's about it.
02:01 < juri__> my family suffers from bad hearts, and abuse from overwork. like me, and my hands.
02:02 < ebowden> Ah.
02:02 < ebowden> Yeah, saw the braces.
02:02 < juri__> carpel tunnel. i am no longer a programmer or a sysadmin as a result.
02:02 < ebowden> Damn.
02:02 < ebowden> Sorry.
02:02 < juri__> printing new hands is on my todo list.
02:02 < ebowden> How long for it to get better?
02:02 < juri__> can't do that with aluminium.
02:03 < juri__> i'm scheduled for surgery.
02:03 < ebowden> Ah, ok.
02:03 < juri__> surgery never returns origional function tho.
02:03 < ebowden> Is carpel tunnel partially due to inflammation?
02:03 < juri__> my hands are screaming at me for IRCing tonight.
02:03 < juri__> yepyep.
02:04 < juri__> i'm on naproxin, but its stopped helping.
02:04 < ebowden> So, have you been prescribed antiinflamatories?
02:04 < ebowden> Ah, ok.
02:04 < juri__> too much damage.
02:04 < ebowden> Damn.
02:06 < ebowden> Well, the phytochemical dye Shikon has shown to quite a potent anti-inflammatory, among other things.
02:07 < ebowden> There's quite a bit of research on it, and its downstream inhibition of TNF makes it very potent as anti-inflammatories go.
02:08 < ebowden> Also, it does not appear to have any immune side effects, which is always nice.
02:08 < juri__> i may look into that. keep up the good work.
02:12 < ebowden> If you're looking for something a button more potent, I could recommend buckyballs dissolved in olive oil, they've been shown to be the exact opposite of toxic in rats and people have been testing it on themselves for a few years without side effects, but I'd probably wait for the study to be replicated before I try it.
02:13 < ebowden> (They rushed to publish, so there were (Now corrected)errors in the initial paper, but the results remained relatively robust.)
02:17 < ebowden> There are a few teams moving to replicate it, which is good.
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02:20 < ebowden> brb
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03:03 < dpk> paperbot: http://gonnet.com/papers/NewIndices4Text.pdf
03:04 < dpk> paperbot!
03:04 < dpk> paperbot: yo, dude?
03:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fb0805b9da2c63592860a676bbe2a23c.pdf
03:10 < dpk> there we go
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05:08 < dpk> https://experiment.com/u/aAcR2Q?helloHN
05:09 < dpk> oh, archels linked it before
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11:41 < kanzure> give me a set of two two-dimensional points where the absolute distance between the points is an integer and non-zero and point1.x != point2.x and point1.y != point2.y
11:47 < AlterSid> (sqrt(2),sqrt(2)) & (0,0)?
11:48 < kanzure> damn, i should have thought of that
11:48 < kanzure> you're right
11:49 < AlterSid> btw, a distance is always >= 0 (by definition)
11:49 < AlterSid> so no need to take the abs
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11:50 < kanzure> i needed something for my unit tests that didn't look totally stupid with wacky floats everywhere (sqrt(2) is way better)
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12:08 < nmz787_i1> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1118/1.1318222
12:08 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5bcccf2c63b04af42aee69e6491910c9.txt
12:09 < nmz787_i1> kanzure: why wouldn't ((0,0),(1,1)) work?
12:10 < nmz787_i1> ah, distance is an int
12:10 < nmz787_i1> (isn't in my example)
12:10 < nmz787_i1> nvrmind
12:13 < nmz787_i1> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0969804397101233
12:13 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/55142a941f6134a935c07c65680c2660.txt
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12:33 < kanzure> .wik aquadom
12:33 < yoleaux> "The AquaDom in Berlin, Germany, is a 25 metre tall cylindrical acrylic glass aquarium with built-in transparent elevator. It is located at the Radisson Blu Hotel in Berlin-Mitte. The DomAquarée complex also contains a hotel, offices, a restaurant, and the aquarium Sea Life Centre." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AquaDom
12:33 < kanzure> now that is a cool aquarium
12:35 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVk-T8gjDQQ
12:35 < yoleaux> Aqua Dom`s elevator
12:35 < chris_99> neat
12:39 < chris_99> .title http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/handsoff/
12:39 < yoleaux> Get Your Hands Off My Laptop
12:40 < chris_99> ' Physical Side-Channel Key-Extraction Attacks On PCs '
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13:27 < dingo_> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/q
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13:30 < kanzure> but now i have to remember which one's Q and which one's q
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13:33 < dingo_> when you 'import q' it assigns sys.modules['q'] to Q()
13:33 < dingo_> its a terrible hack all up and down
13:33 < dingo_> like how it lets you do @q wrapper, or use it as a function
13:33 < dingo_> it inspects the stackframe, finds the line of source that refers to it, and if it begins with @, then it behaves like a decorator
13:34 < kanzure> that's cute
13:35 < dingo_> from this presentation "don't do this", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2yfXnUb1S4
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14:13 < nmz787_i1> I used to have dreams about something like that AquaDom, except that in my dreams it was simply a large drinking glass filled up then inverted above water
14:16 < kanzure> "except in my dreams it was full of beer"
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14:23 < dingo_> man i just got some troll email me
14:23 < dingo_> Subject: Your Forking Obsession
14:23 < dingo_> You need to stop forking, seriously. It ruins people.
14:23 < dingo_> lol
14:24 < dingo_> you know you must be doing something right when strangers send you hate mail over your code, huh?
14:26 < kanzure> yep
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14:43 < bbrittain> yo kanzure, you do the whole quantified self thing, right?
14:43 < bbrittain> how do you store your data?
14:43 < bbrittain> like... in csvs?
14:47 < nmz787_i1> bbrittain: i doubt he does that, but if he did, i bet he'd use yaml
14:48 < bbrittain> aguh
14:48 < bbrittain> I keep trying to get into it
14:48 < bbrittain> but I run into two problems
14:49 < bbrittain> 1) all these apps seem to keep your data in the cloud
14:49 < nmz787_i1> that's for the insurance companies to use someday, yes
14:49 < bbrittain> 2) no centralized way of analyzing the data
14:49 < bbrittain> I want the data. me. just me.
14:49 < nmz787_i1> that has been deemed illegal by the FDA or something
14:50 < nmz787_i1> the last comment about analysis
14:50 < bbrittain> well, probably both :P
14:50 < nmz787_i1> idk what do you want?
14:50 < nmz787_i1> like heart beat monitor?
14:51 < bbrittain> GPS data, weight, body fat, sleep info
14:51 < bbrittain> to start
14:51 < AlterSid> will you build the sensors?
14:51 < bbrittain> but stored locally
14:51 < nmz787_i1> you're a programmer, get the physibles then let's talk more, I think
14:51 < nmz787_i1> there must be tons of software for pulling data
14:51 < bbrittain> there is!
14:52 < bbrittain> but it all cloud syncs or something similar... or all the devices
14:52 < bbrittain> to start, I can get the GPS data from my phone
14:52 < bbrittain> I've been recording it with this App called moves
14:52 < bbrittain> but the only way to analyze it is to create an account and sync it with their servers
14:52 < bbrittain> unacceptable.
14:53 < bbrittain> I'm plugging in my phone to check how they store it on the phone right now
14:53 < AlterSid> I bet sqlite if android
14:54 < bbrittain> really? I haven't ever done mobile dev
14:58 < bbrittain> wow. I like how Tencent has a root directory. not scary at all
14:58 < bbrittain> yea, the chinese are totally in my phone
15:00 < bbrittain> hmm. QS is totally h+
15:00 < bbrittain> doesn't anyone do it in here?
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15:23 < kanzure> bbrittain: giant yaml file
15:23 < kanzure> nmz787_i1: i presented at quantified self at least once
15:25 < bbrittain> what a yaml fanboy :P
15:25 < bbrittain> kanzure: do you track location?
15:26 < kanzure> i track people
15:26 < kanzure> by track i mean stalk
15:26 < kanzure> by stalk i mean my main competitor is nsa
15:26 < bbrittain> um. ok.
15:26 < kanzure> i had a video up on quantifiedself.com at some point
15:26 < bbrittain> can you "export" individual people?
15:26 < bbrittain> I think I've seen this
15:26 < bbrittain> about all the emails you send
15:26 < kanzure> well, so, my format is a little dumb but i don't have a good alternative in mind yet
15:27 < ParahSailin> heh, the ga2x is gonna go pretty cheap i think
15:27 < kanzure> i use cyaml + python to parse the data, but it takes like 2 hours to parse correctly, it's really dumb
15:27 < ParahSailin> so if nmz wants to reverse engineer flow cells, its a good opportunity
15:27 < kanzure> i should be storing it in postgresql or mongodb instead but i haven't
15:27 < bbrittain> ugh. mongodb
15:27 < kanzure> well, it's yaml, which is essentially json
15:29 < bbrittain> yea. hmm
15:29 < kanzure> i was thinking of "rating" conversations
15:29 < kanzure> or doing tag weights
15:29 < kanzure> also i don't correctly track from which side of the conversation certain tags come from
15:30 < bbrittain> well, I'm throwing together an app to report back to me all of my GPS coordinates that doesn't get uploaded to the cloud right now
15:31 < kanzure> i'd tell you to use ifconfig on android except that kernel module isn't installed or loaded by default
15:32 < kanzure> oh hey another fun thing to do would be to write a transparent proxy and route all google.com requests through that proxy
15:32 < kanzure> could even be mitmproxy
15:32 < kanzure> write a mitmproxy plugin to use the python google play protobuf library thing, and you can show off all the sorts of data usually collected by an android phone
15:33 < bbrittain> oy vef
15:33 < bbrittain> vey*
15:33 < kanzure> yeah sorta boring
15:33 < bbrittain> 0_o looking at this sample app
15:33 < bbrittain> do people actually enjoy writing these?
15:34 < kanzure> would you believe me if i told you they used to recommend eclipse
15:34 < bbrittain> obviously. you're writting java
15:34 < kanzure> i guess it's more surprising that they convinced everyone to switch from eclipse
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15:37 < bbrittain> ugh... I hate java
15:37 < kanzure> so, it sort of doesn't work as well as writing a java app on android, but you can use kivy if you want to try python
15:39 < kanzure> and also there's ndk stuff for doing c, but i have never done an entire app in just ndk
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15:40 < bbrittain> I've used the ndk before
15:40 < bbrittain> also. I google "quickstart android"
15:40 < bbrittain> google's doc
15:40 < bbrittain> Step 1: Enable the Google+ API
15:40 < bbrittain> NO
15:44 < ParahSailin> kanzure: pm
15:52 < kanzure> pm successful
15:52 < kanzure> .wik solexa
15:52 < yoleaux> "Illumina, Inc. is an American company incorporated in April 1998 that develops, manufactures and markets integrated systems for the analysis of genetic variation and biological function. Using its technologies, the company provides a line of products and services that serve the sequencing, genotyping and gene expression markets." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solexa
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17:58 < kanzure> abetusk: jcline seems to be online at the moment if you want to pester him
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20:47 < ParahSailin> there are 2022025862 unique 18mers in the human genome, in case anyone was wondering
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21:33 < nmz787> 2 billion huh
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22:21 < juri__> https://static.hackaday.io/images/3678201408771204639.jpg
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22:23 < nmz787> juri__: whazat?
22:25 < juri__> cast aluminium, made from a 3d printed part, using microwaves.
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