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The sciencedirect section should be looked at for example of how to change the few lines around/near the .get calls 02:02 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 02:02 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2014-08-25 09:02:32) 02:10 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567539406000429 02:10 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Biomoleculenanoparticle%20hybrid%20systems%20for%20bioelectronic%20applications%0A%20.pdf 02:12 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S156849460600055X 02:13 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Effective%20mutation%20rate%20for%20probabilistic%20evolutionary%20design%20of%20analogue%20electrical%20circuits%0A%20.pdf 02:13 < nmz787> sweet 02:13 < nmz787> kanzure: yup seems to be working 02:24 < ebowden_> Damn, it's not working for me. 02:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit 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[~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:11 -!- ielo [~ielo@88-106-240-49.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: say wut 09:18 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: for shipping costs or what? 09:19 < ParahSailin> if someone wanted to grab the thing or pay for shipping, yeah 09:20 < nmz787_i> paypal, bit/dogecoin, cashiers check? 09:20 < nmz787_i> tell me how much 09:20 < nmz787_i> or do i have to drive down to the bay?\ 09:21 < ParahSailin> yeah youd probably need to drive down 09:22 < nmz787_i> hmm, i might be able to do it labor day weekend 09:22 < kanzure> would patrik pick it up? 09:22 < nmz787_i> hmm, maybe 09:22 < nmz787_i> i think he's closer to livermore usually 09:22 < nmz787_i> he lives in alameda, or used to 09:23 < nmz787_i> somone with more time would be easier to convinve maybe 09:23 < kanzure> simon? 09:25 < nmz787_i> he's even further from the north bay 09:25 < nmz787_i> ummm 09:25 < kanzure> delinquentme? 09:26 < nmz787_i> maybe 09:27 < nmz787_i> not sure if he has a vehicle 09:28 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: it's at Eureka? 09:29 < ParahSailin> hercules 09:29 < kanzure> too bad, i have someone at eureka 09:30 < nmz787_i> kanzure: ParahSailin there seems to be a UPS store right near I-80 in hercules 09:31 < nmz787_i> I think they'd package and ship it by themselves... we could probably just arrange a cab to do the transport or something 09:32 < nmz787_i> kanzure: idk but the machine on ebay looked like it might be the same size as the synthesizer, wasn't the shipping like $50 for that? 09:32 < nmz787_i> or was it more? 09:32 < kanzure> $50-$60 09:33 < nmz787_i> so figure 20 or 30 bux for a cab ride, 50-60 to ship, prob 20-40 to package 09:34 < kanzure> oops i was thinking of my person at genia 09:34 < kanzure> eureka person is obvious 09:41 < nmz787_i> wow 2tb drive on newegg $90 09:41 < nmz787_i> only 5900 rpm, but i guess those live longer than 7200rpm, right? 09:53 < nmz787_i> kanzure: do we have a list of journals/online-publisher-paper-portals 09:54 < nmz787_i> i can't think of a good unit test other than by going to the main page of each of these, parsing for some 'latest articles' and grabbing the first one 09:54 < nmz787_i> then using that link to look for a PDF 09:54 < kanzure> unit testing should use stored html samples 09:54 < nmz787_i> otherwise we'd have to manually choose a link for each and save that to a config file 09:54 < kanzure> there is a list of publishers available here https://github.com/zotero/translators 09:54 < nmz787_i> well not HTML? 09:54 < nmz787_i> why not the URL 09:55 < nmz787_i> the unittest would tell us if our HTML parsing failed 09:55 < nmz787_i> they wouldn't if the HTML was saved 09:55 < kanzure> unit testing should not make network requests. that is why the html should be stored. 09:56 < kanzure> here's some paperbot requests http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/paperbot-requests.txt 09:56 < nmz787_i> hmm 09:56 < kanzure> python-requests has a few mocking libraries for unit testing 09:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/patrys/httmock 09:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/dropbox/responses 09:57 < nmz787_i> i guess we would need a re-download HTML function 09:57 < nmz787_i> how would we know if the pages change 09:57 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/python-requestions 09:57 < kanzure> unit tests don't check if the html has changed 09:57 < kanzure> they check if your code no longer works against the previous samples 09:57 < nmz787_i> but then they might not work IRL 09:58 < kanzure> https://github.com/sigmavirus24/requests-vcr 09:58 < kanzure> that doesn't matter 09:58 < kanzure> that happens anyway 09:58 < nmz787_i> i guess the updater would check if the stored HTML was diff 09:58 < kanzure> unit testing is a way to prevent the other kinds of failure modes 10:00 < kanzure> https://github.com/gabrielfalcao/HTTPretty 10:15 < kanzure> why does this work: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/10.1086/653104.pdf?acceptTC=true 10:15 < kanzure> and this works: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf?acceptTC=true 10:15 < kanzure> but this one does not? http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/653104.pdf?acceptTC=true 10:15 < kanzure> dingo_: any insight? 10:20 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:20 < ParahSailin> nmz787_i: its pretty large 10:26 < dingo_> the 10.2307/ prefix is jstor's own DOI (means the're the ones who digitized it by hand), and when the prefix is omitted, internally it assumes 10.2307/, so the first one is digitized by someone else and has a different doi prefix. 10:27 < dingo_> the latter two are assumed 10.2307/, i suppose, i don't see any difference in working/not working myself 10:27 < dingo_> oh well, the first vs. the third -- you're getting different articles, right? 10.2307/653104 vs. 10.1086/653104 10:28 < kanzure> one of the pdfs load and the other does not load 10:29 < kanzure> but you're right, i think it's because of the default doi assumption 10:29 < kanzure> good call 10:29 < dingo_> yeah before ~2012 the *only* doi on jstor was 10.2307, so they omitted it in all the of /id/ urls 10:29 < kanzure> thank you 10:31 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.208.64] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:31 -!- pi- [~Ohmu@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust90.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33 < dingo_> interestingly http://www.jstor.org/action/showBooksAsXml times out and returns a server-generated error page after a great long while, where i would expect to find these alternative DOI's 10:35 < dingo_> for any error page page like this you can use 'view source' and sometimes even see the java traceback hidden in a this one is just terse: ERROR: Page Loading Error generated via Fastly Servers 10:35 -!- ielo [~ielo@88-106-240-49.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:36 < kanzure> dingo_: i rewrote paperbot 10:36 < dingo_> in go? hehe 10:36 < kanzure> from https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py 10:36 < kanzure> to https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py 10:36 < kanzure> no 10:39 < dingo_> you could remove the 'else:' and save an indentation under the iterdownload() block 10:39 < dingo_> and the next one after pdf_url == url, continue block 10:39 < kanzure> oh good point 10:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:41 < dingo_> as my russian friend says, "this is pretty ok" 10:41 < kanzure> highest honor 10:48 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:51 < nmz787_i> anyone know a good way to add a list of addresses to a google-maps type map programmatically? 10:52 < nmz787_i> all I see online seems limited to 100 points or using some google docs to fusion tables to map scheme 10:52 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: I guess labor day weekend is this next weekend 10:52 < kanzure> openstreetmap has less of those sorts of limitations 10:53 < nmz787_i> i could probably manage to drive down, though I think my gf wanted to go camping or hiking that weekend 10:53 < nmz787_i> ah, good call, will check that out kanzure 10:53 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:57 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: does it come with all 3 of: Illumina Genome Analyzer, Illumina cBot, and Illumina Pair-End Module? 10:58 < nmz787_i> crated weight and dimensions for those 3 are listed here, so I could get shipping quotes http://res.illumina.com/documents/products/datasheets/datasheet_genome_analyzeriix.pdf 10:58 < ParahSailin> yeah it will have all the things you need to run ga2x 10:59 < nmz787_i> ok i'll get a shipping quote for those 3 items then 10:59 < nmz787_i> it is realistic that I drive down and back.... I will have to check my car truck dimensions too i guess 11:00 < nmz787_i> i've got a VW jetta, but also a SUV that would use more than 2x the fuel 11:00 < nmz787_i> car trunk* 11:01 < ParahSailin> i know that the big box would fit in the back seat of an a4 or passat, but i am not familiar with the size of jetta back seat 11:03 < nmz787_i> hmm, the datasheet says unboxed weight is 412lbs 11:03 < nmz787_i> and crate weight is like 511lbs 11:04 < nmz787_i> 102cm x 67cm x 92cm 11:04 < nmz787_i> hrmm, i'm not sure that would fit in my truck 11:04 < ParahSailin> wow ok that big box weighs a lot 11:05 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 < nmz787_i> it could fit on top 11:05 < nmz787_i> heh 11:06 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: is the original crate still with it? 11:06 < chris_99> is it a dna sequencer? 11:06 < nmz787_i> yes 11:06 < nmz787_i> and 2 smaller 75lb boxes 11:07 < ParahSailin> i doubt it but i can ask 11:08 < nmz787_i> please do, as they said they can provide a crate at the shipping place 11:08 * nmz787_i going to check truck door dimensions now 11:11 < nmz787_i> hmm, ~99cm x 82cm 11:11 < nmz787_i> i could drive down and rent a trailer 11:13 < nmz787_i> so if i drive down, i wonder if I can find a nice refrigerated centrifuge or some other crap too while i'm there 11:13 < nmz787_i> what else do i need... :/ 11:22 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:33 < kanzure> running a dna sequencer machine as a company is stupid 11:33 < kanzure> it's a race to the bottom 11:33 < kanzure> don't do it 11:34 < |a|> iirc booz allen is doing it, and crossrefferencing the data with peoples data to fine tune a psychographic profileing program 11:34 < |a|> but that was years ago, im sure its much more advanced now 11:35 < kanzure> wrong channel 11:45 < ybit> kanzure: git clone git@github.com:heath/ui-foundation.git 11:45 < ybit> npm install && cult 11:45 < ybit> maybe `npm install -g gulp cult bower` 11:45 < ybit> ..then `cult` 11:45 < ybit> then see my confusion 11:48 < kanzure> bower ENORESTARGET Tag/branch ~3.2.0+3 does not exist 11:48 < ybit> ParahSailin, any xp with angular? 11:48 < ybit> greeat 11:49 < ParahSailin> nonzero 11:50 < ybit> kanzure: a way around that might be to remove bootswatch from the dependencies, rm -rf app/lib 11:50 < ybit> bower install 11:50 < kanzure> bootswatch needs a different version 11:50 < ybit> bower install --save bootswatch 11:50 < kanzure> why is bootswatch downloading multiple megabytes of stuff 11:50 < ybit> it's grabbing every theme it can 11:50 < kanzure> is that dumb 11:50 < ybit> probably 11:50 < kanzure> because it sounds dumb 11:50 < kanzure> "cult" runs fine 11:51 < ybit> cool 11:51 < ybit> so you should see in the js console the error 11:51 < ybit> ..when you visit localhost:9000 11:51 < kanzure> this looks like the same ui.bootstrap problem from yesterday 11:51 < kanzure> i feel tricked 11:51 < ybit> it is the same problem 11:52 < ybit> i trick so good 11:52 < ybit> it doesn't seem to be an ordering of the deps either 11:52 < ybit> https://gist.github.com/heath/e77f727450518c915cf3 11:52 < ybit> tried that and it still complains 11:53 < ybit> with the same error 11:56 < bbrittain> holy shit Julia start up time is slow 11:56 < kanzure> [13:57:42] Task 'dist' is not in your gulpfile 11:56 < kanzure> ybit: your problem is in scripts/routes.coffee 11:57 < kanzure> should be obvious 11:57 < kanzure> count your params 11:57 < ybit> kanzure: nope 11:58 < ybit> you can do that 11:58 < kanzure> works when you remove it there 11:58 < kanzure> ui.bootstrap is not a proider iirc 11:58 < ybit> oh, sorry i thought you were saying that it needed to be named 11:59 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@105.231.73.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 < kanzure> but then you get some invalid state refs 11:59 < kanzure> dunno if that's expected here 12:00 < poppingtonic> kanzure: does yoleaux do wolframalpha queries 12:00 < kanzure> .wa estimated size of stephen wolfram's head 12:00 < yoleaux> Stephen Wolfram: height: Head (Moon feature): size: Stephen Wolfram: height: 1.74 meters; Head (Moon feature): size: (data not available); 12:00 < kanzure> so much disappoint 12:01 < poppingtonic> cool. 12:02 < ybit> kanzure: thanks for the help 12:02 < kanzure> yep.. 12:02 < kanzure> what is cult anyway 12:04 < ybit> kanzure: it's a wrapper around gulp which accepts coffeescript and livescript 12:16 < kanzure> *provider 12:18 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: so will anyone actually be around this Saturday? I think if i leave Friday early evening, I could be in the area with a trailer between 4 to 6PM Saturday 12:19 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: also, any 'junk' flow cells laying around to throw in? 12:19 < nmz787_i> or i guess even any non junk ones 12:26 < nmz787_i> and, uh, is it on wheels or what tool would I need to bring to move it from where it is to the trailer, since it's so heavy 12:28 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=ed838ce6 Bryan Bishop: reduce indents, h/t jquast 12:28 < gnusha> paperbot: reload papers 12:28 < paperbot> gnusha: (version: 2014-08-25 09:02:32) 12:39 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-hbmxbyhcaqsyqgrb] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:46 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:51 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 < ParahSailin> might have a pallet jack on site 12:54 < chris_99> is that sort of the manual equiv of a fork lift 12:55 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:02 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdncmqrweabhudcu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:03 -!- sapiosexual [~sapiosexu@d173-183-74-37.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:16 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-lhmajcfsnxbpxwis] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- strages_ is now known as strages 13:25 < bbrittain> http://www.angelsensor.com/ 13:25 < bbrittain> thoughts? 13:26 < chris_99> i think i've heard of that, isn't it supposed to make use of some form of spectroscopy, i thought people said it was dubious though iirc 13:27 < kanzure> personally i prefer the one that shocks you into oblivion http://pavlok.com/ (kidding) 13:27 < nmz787_i> ParahSailin: so it seems freight shipping is comparable to driving down and getting a trailer, so I just need to know if it already has a crate or not, and when to send them to pick it up 13:27 < nmz787_i> bbrittain: 'Heart rate, Blood Oxygen, Temperature, and Motion.' 13:28 < nmz787_i> bbrittain: likely some electrodes, an ADC, and a pulse oximeter 13:29 < chris_99> lol kanzure wth 13:29 < chris_99> is that real?! 13:29 < archels> bbrittain: seems feasible http://www.blogcal.com/samsung-introduced-a-reference-design-for-fitness-bracelet/ 13:29 < bbrittain> nmz787_i: sounds right. but the convenient formfactor is everything 13:30 < kanzure> "real" is just a matter of debate 13:30 < chris_99> it's hilarious though 13:30 < kanzure> i reallyneed a lobotomy 13:31 -!- jk4930 [~jk@p5B171992.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 < kanzure> what happened to that stone.. slate.. android.. something wrist thing. all these landing pages are just blurring together for me. 13:31 < bbrittain> archels: problem with that is that it is linked to the "cloud" 13:31 < bbrittain> aka take your data and profit 13:32 < kanzure> bbrittain: first week yet? 13:32 < archels> yeah I don't care much for that part 13:32 < bbrittain> kanzure: nah, not yet. I start the 2nd 13:33 < bbrittain> hence my problems with most QS stuff 13:33 < bbrittain> I hacked this together yesterday instead of doing stuff I should have been 13:33 < bbrittain> https://github.com/cavedweller/QS-GPS-Logger 13:33 < kanzure> shameful 13:33 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@105.231.73.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34 < bbrittain> 'cause everything else seems to upload your GPS to the cloud >_< 13:34 < bbrittain> it is shameful, I wrote Java and javascript voluntarily 13:34 < nmz787_i> bbrittain: can't you jail your apps with some kind of firewall app though:? 13:34 < nmz787_i> or intercept certain apps 13:35 < nmz787_i> grab your data, modify it inline so the cloud thinks you're super man 13:35 < bbrittain> nmz787_i: yea, but not only is that a pain in the ass, doesn't mean the format is useable 13:35 < bbrittain> with significant work at least 13:35 < bbrittain> but yea, I hear what you are saying 13:36 < bbrittain> turns out getting your GPS loc every 7 seconds doesn't hurt your battery life as much as you would expect 13:48 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06 -!- HEx2 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:16 < dingo_> theres a great sparkfun gps logger kit 14:16 < dingo_> it does http post to your own server you can set up out there 14:16 < dingo_> takes a GSM cellular sim, has a li-ion battery, just does its job when you flip it on 14:17 < dingo_> and of course its arduino-based and open source 14:17 < dingo_> awww, appears discontinued, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8823 14:17 < dingo_> also saved to SD card 14:18 < dingo_> here's the roll-your-own circuit: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10920 14:20 -!- jk4930 [~jk@p5B171992.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 14:24 < bbrittain> dingo_: noice 14:24 < bbrittain> the battery life leaves something to be desired though 14:27 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 < nmz787_i> dingo_: I thought bbrittain was talking about quantified self thou, not tracking your gf's motorcycle 14:30 < nmz787_i> if you want your GPS location there are apps for that 14:30 < bbrittain> haha 14:30 < nmz787_i> that log to sqlite or something 14:30 < nmz787_i> i use a maps app when i hike that saves to sqlite 14:30 < nmz787_i> you can change the # seconds between points 14:30 < nmz787_i> etc 14:30 < bbrittain> nmz787_i: oh really? link? 14:30 < nmz787_i> got an app that does GPS averaging too 14:30 < bbrittain> I must have missed it in my search 14:31 < nmz787_i> oruxmaps 14:31 < nmz787_i> there's a few others too 14:32 < bbrittain> nothing that seemed particularly usable to me that was Open Source 14:32 < bbrittain> is oruxmaps? 14:32 < nmz787_i> idk 14:33 < nmz787_i> http://alternativeto.net/software/oruxmaps/?license=opensource 14:33 < bbrittain> ha, I see why I missed it 14:33 < bbrittain> http://www.oruxmaps.com/ 14:33 < bbrittain> I tried MyTracks but it was atrocious 14:34 < bbrittain> for what I wanted at least 14:34 < bbrittain> so I scratched my own itch in a way no one else will ever need too :P 14:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-166-181-23.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-224-90-215.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 < kanzure> "the closed edge starting the vertex" nobody even grammars 14:48 < kanzure> dpk: i did some clean up. review please? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py 14:49 -!- ielo [~ielo@88-106-240-49.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:49 < nmz787_i> MyTracks was pretty good I thought, except exporting the data was kinda weird or you couldn't use custom map tiles, so I couldn't load trail maps for hiking 14:51 < dpk> what does ezproxy.py do? 14:52 < dpk> oh 14:52 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52 < dpk> duh, it says at the top 14:53 < kanzure> oh noes a typo "This directory stories json files" 14:54 < kanzure> this implementation of paperbot does not include zotero 14:54 < bbrittain> is paperbot getting a major update or something? 14:55 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: sleep()] 14:55 < kanzure> something like that 14:55 * bbrittain still has access to his schools vpn 14:55 < kanzure> can you check if your school runs an ezproxy instance? is it in this list https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/blob/master/urls.txt 14:56 < bbrittain> it does indeed 14:56 < kanzure> library corruption in action! 14:56 < kanzure> would you mind privately sending me credentials? paperbot v2 can try through multiple ezproxy endpoints. 14:57 < kanzure> paperbot uses pdfparanoia to strip watermarks so most of the time identifying information is removed 14:57 < nmz787_i> kanzure: only thing i notice with orchestrate.py is https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py#L84 14:57 < nmz787_i> you won't want to do that for a second-level download i think 14:58 < nmz787_i> in that case you'll want it to just be the pdf_url 14:58 < dpk> is paperbot v2 a Python3 production? 14:58 < nmz787_i> i hope not python >3.2 14:58 < kanzure> not intentionally 14:58 < nmz787_i> >=3.2 14:58 < kanzure> nmz787_i: i don't understand, pdf_url wouldn't go through ezproxy 14:59 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:59 < dpk> 3.2 is the only Python 3 version it's worth trying to target 14:59 < bbrittain> holy shit. thats a lot of schools. how did you collect that list? 14:59 < dpk> well, 3.2 and above 14:59 < nmz787_i> kanzure: if it was second level, it would already have the proxy URL in the pdf_url 14:59 < kanzure> bbrittain: years of relentless stalking 14:59 < kanzure> bbrittain: i really really want to read my god damn papers? 14:59 < nmz787_i> dpk: well >=3.2 GIL is slow as hell I thought 14:59 < nmz787_i> at least re: threads 14:59 < dpk> nmz787_i: nope? they significantly improved the GIL to reduce CPU thrashing while trying to get it. maybe that's only in 3.4 or something, i forget 15:00 < nmz787_i> dpk: ctrl-f 3.2 here http://www.dabeaz.com/python/UnderstandingGIL.pdf 15:00 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00 < nmz787_i> from http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2010-understanding-the-python-gil-82-3273690 15:00 < nmz787_i> or going along with, rather 15:00 < dpk> ah, yes, i watched that talk 15:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:00 < dpk> there's a more recent one that explains the new GIL, i think 15:01 < dpk> oh. that's the one 15:01 < nmz787_i> ah, would be interested in that 15:01 < nmz787_i> so it's still 300X slower in some cases? 15:01 * dpk shrugs 15:02 < nmz787_i> what else is 'great' about py3? 15:02 < dpk> i never use threads anyway 15:02 < dpk> (at this point you are welcome to cite http://www.xkcdb.com/5088) 15:02 < nmz787_i> oh, i use them all over the place 15:02 < kanzure> because you don't know about coroutines 15:02 < nmz787_i> the GUI stuff is all threaded by default 15:02 < nmz787_i> 'coroutines' 15:02 -!- AshleyWaffle [~quassel@unaffiliated/anastasiawyatt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 -!- |b| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- |a| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07 < nmz787_i> kanzure: I guess I was wrong about second-level not needing the concatenation of URLS... I seem to not be doing that concatenation at all except in the proxy itself 15:07 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:07 < nmz787_i> i was thinking of something else 15:07 < kanzure> ok 15:08 -!- cpopell2 [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09 -!- |c| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 < nmz787_i> dpk: that took a lot longer to process than xkcd 15:10 -!- |b| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12 < kanzure> seems a little unfair to moshez i bet he wasn't even paid for that job at nasa 15:12 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-79-151.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:12 -!- Guest2171 [~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:14 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 < dpk> hmm, your plugin system is different to mine 15:20 -!- |b| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:20 < dpk> i didn't even consider them as plugins really 15:20 -!- |c| [~|d|@pool-71-253-200-193.nrflva.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20 < dpk> though i guess technically they are 15:21 < kanzure> i didn't think it through really 15:21 < kanzure> what would you do instead? 15:23 < kanzure> or instead of instead, what would you do in the first place 15:24 < dpk> also, how will your try-multiple-times-to-download thing interact with the HTML scrapers? they might need to try logging in from different places too, perhaps 15:25 < dpk> but maybe not, as you said — you can often get a PDF link without logging in 15:25 < kanzure> there should be a separation between the concept of logging in through various proxies 15:25 < kanzure> and the concept of plugins for parsing html differently 15:25 < dpk> my system puts each scraper in a python module 15:25 -!- Guest2171 [~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:26 < dpk> actually i think it's more Pythonic to put them in classes instead 15:26 < dpk> maybe 15:27 < kanzure> i kinda regret nesting iterdownload() inside of another iterdownload() 15:27 < dpk> where? 15:27 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-79-151.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:28 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/commit/56115dec62ee069095dc045b559c878060843ce1#commitcomment-7518916 15:28 < kanzure> just look for iterdownload( 15:28 < dpk> ahh 15:28 < dpk> in the loop in download() 15:29 -!- ielo [~ielo@88-106-240-49.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:29 < nmz787_i> well the nesting of iterdownload should take care of the PDF links that are bogus 15:30 < nmz787_i> i.e. if you grab a sciencedirect pdfLink without being logged in, it will have ShoppingCart in the string, and feeding this to a proxy will just take you to a shopping cart page, rather than the PDF content, even if said proxy has access to the application/PDF 15:30 < kanzure> and the "if is_response_pdf(..): ..." code is duplicated which is stupid of me 15:30 < nmz787_i> so you need to request the HTML through the proxy, then grab the link, then get that link through the proxy 15:31 < kanzure> hm sciencedirect.com doesn't give you citation_pdf_url metadata >:( 15:33 < nmz787_i> what's that for? 15:33 < kanzure> some publishers have agreed to using html meta elements to display metadata about their papers on each page 15:33 < kanzure> others have decided not to do this 15:33 < nmz787_i> i mean what's the utilty for paperbot? 15:34 < kanzure> same extract-metadata-from-html code works on the vast majority of publishers' sites 15:34 < kanzure> without writing a custom version per publisher 15:34 < kanzure> paperbot v1 gets around that by just using whatever zotero translators already exist 15:35 < nmz787_i> mm 15:35 < nmz787_i> i see 15:41 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11120-010-9556-6 16:06 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9df8e04743100b40f2852d207b6681b0.txt 16:07 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s11120-010-9556-6 16:08 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dfe5adee11d9930d0fd820c46bf1fd5f.txt 16:21 -!- ielo [~ielo@88-106-240-49.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:47 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:59 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:08 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-lhmajcfsnxbpxwis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32 -!- night is now known as night|pub 18:34 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-208-170.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:36 < kanzure> "Looking at more refined measures, de Pleijt and Weisdorf find that the fraction of workers classified as “high-quality workmen” – carpenters, joiners, wrights, turners – rose only from 3.9% to 4.9% of the workforce between 1550 and 1850. These are precisely the kinds of workers that Joel Mokyr claims are the crux of the Industrial Revolution in England. They built, improved, adapted, and micro-innovated all the classic inventions of ... 18:36 < kanzure> ... the IR. While they were only between 4-5% of the workers, and this proportion didn’t expand rapidly, given population growth the absolute numbers of these high-quality workmen went up by a factor of 4 between 1700 and 1850 (from about 200K to 850K)." 18:36 < kanzure> http://growthecon.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/the-loss-of-skill-in-the-industrial-revolution/ 18:36 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 < kanzure> "It’s a really interesting paper, and it’s neat to see how much information you can keep sucking out of these parish records from England. It leaves me with two big questions/ideas. First, does industrialization depend on a concentrated core of skills, rather than a broad distribution of skills? That is, if Mokyr is right about the source of English industrialization, then it’s those extra 650K high-skilled workers that really made all ... 18:37 < kanzure> ... the difference. Industrialization didn’t involve spreading skills all around the (rapidly expanding) population, but in getting together a critical mass of skilled workers. Are we paying too much attention to average human capital levels when we talk about development and growth, and not enough to looking at when/how/if countries achieve that critical mass of skilled workers? 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