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08:26 < kanzure> dingo_: yes/no? https://github.com/KeepSafe/aiohttp
08:27 < kanzure> someone was doing asyncio conversion things for counterpartyd https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd/pull/261
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09:00 < ybit> "turn almost any command line [app] into a gui application with one line"
09:01 < ybit> https://github.com/chriskiehl/Gooey
09:01 < kanzure> wasn't that yesterday
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09:08 < kanzure> hello eudoxia
09:15 < eudoxia> hello kanzure
09:15 < kanzure> tell me things
09:16 < eudoxia> oh i haven't been doing anything interesting, just studying for a change
09:16 < eudoxia> what have you been up to?
09:17 < kanzure> scheming
09:17 < kanzure> not with scheme
09:17 < eudoxia> i guess :)
09:17 < eudoxia> guessed*
09:17 < kanzure> paperbot? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py
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09:19 < eudoxia> the code looks much nicer now
09:19 < kanzure> yes i figured i would give "weaping from joy" a try after running "weaping in disgust" into the ground
09:19 < kanzure> weeping
09:30 < nmz787_i> hovenweap
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10:02 < dingo_> https://github.com/KeepSafe/aiohttp limited yes
10:02 < dingo_> no experience yet with this library, but i'm very keen about asyncio in general
10:04 < dingo_> see david beazley's talk, trying to find it, he does finally explain tulip/asyncio very well
10:05 < dingo_> took me a long time to pick it up, i even wrote an asyncio library and contributed to asyncio, but this talk clarified a metric ton for me, trying to dig it out
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10:06 < dingo_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1twn9kLmYg
10:06 < dingo_> .title
10:06 < yoleaux> David Beazley: Generators: The Final Frontier - PyCon 2014
10:06 < dingo_> give that the 3-4 hours some sunday and you'll be enlightened
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13:06 < nmz787_i2> easing into 'synthetic hardware design' now (basically automagic circuit schematic/netlist generation and layout and routing)
13:07 < kanzure> kidnap jules and make him do it
13:07 < kanzure> i think he sleeptalks netlists
13:07 < nmz787_i2> :D
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15:42 < kanzure> http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/08/als_ice_bucket_challenge_giving_money_to_disease_specific_charities_is_a.html
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15:43 < kanzure> hah "For all the money being donated, an even bigger effect of the ice bucket challenge is “awareness”—and awareness of ALS does precious little good to anybody."
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15:43 < kanzure> "Knowing about ALS won’t help anybody prevent it, for instance."
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15:43 < kanzure> "ALS is so rare—the association estimates that 5,600 new cases are diagnosed in the U.S. each year—that it seems a bit odd as the focus of a major national philanthropic phenomenon. "
15:44 < catern> good ole society for rare diseases in cute puppies
15:45 < kanzure> who the hell has a bucket of ice laying around anyway
15:45 < catern> aha
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15:45 < catern> i think i know who's behind this now
15:45 < catern> the ice lobby
15:45 < kanzure> Big Ice?
15:45 < kanzure> yep
15:45 < catern> yes
15:46 < kanzure> someone should start the inverse ice bucket challenge where you challenge four of your friends to not take the ice bucket challenge
15:46 < kanzure> see if it goes faster than their challenge-three-friends growth rate
15:47 < kanzure> mathematicians hate me
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16:12 < nmz787_i2> lol
16:13 < nmz787_i2> i was reading the comments on that before-and-after pic set of cali water reservoirs and a lot of them were mentioning drought due to ice bucket challenge i.e. 'possible connection!?!?!?'
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16:17 < kanzure> which hardware accelerator did octopart go through? http://octopart.com/blog/archives/2014/8/how-hardware-startup-accelerators-surprised-me
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16:37 < nmz787_i2> does the thing that a CPU connects ever get called some other thing than 'motherboard'?
16:37 < kanzure> socket
16:37 < nmz787_i2> well
16:37 < nmz787_i2> if there are other wires and ICs too
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16:40 < nmz787_i2> 'Viper-7: nmz787_i2: motherboard doesnt really imply a cpu socket, nor vice-versa - for example you can get CPU socket daughterboards'
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18:43 < justanotheruser> kanzure: thoughts on neurofeedback?
18:45 < kanzure> neural input is bogus, i have my imagination to entertain me for tens of seconds at a time
18:46 < justanotheruser> is it just a placebo then?
18:47 < kanzure> neural input is not bogus, it covers a huge range of things, like vision and audio
18:47 < justanotheruser> wat
18:47 < justanotheruser> so it is bogus for adhd you mean?
18:47 < kanzure> i was expecting you to decide that someone declaring sensory input to be bogus to either be sarcastic or joking
18:48 < kanzure> synaptic plasticity is a real thing
18:49 < justanotheruser> I didn't know the legitemacy of neuralfeedback, which is why I didn't get that it was a joke
18:49 < kanzure> neurofeedback has always seemed like a really trivial concept to me ("do things, then measure the brain, then do more things")
18:50 < justanotheruser> ever considered trying it for your adhd? Or is the medication doing well enough
18:50 < kanzure> i am extremely happy with the medication
18:51 < kanzure> also, i wouldn't want to get rid of adhd
18:51 < dingo_> lol
18:51 < kanzure> if anything i am more inclined to seek methods of increasing the severity of adhd
18:51 < justanotheruser> why
18:51 < dingo_> i'll say kanzure is very effective at research and work from working with him
18:51 < dingo_> more than anybody i've worked with in the past
18:51 < dingo_> everybody else acts adhd in comparison
18:51 < kanzure> neat
18:52 < justanotheruser> someone in ##reddit-nootropics was telling me I should do neuralfeedback because my adderall wouldn't work forever
18:52 < justanotheruser> but some credibility is lost for any channel prefixed with ##reddit
18:52 < kanzure> i am sure there are some people for which adderall loses effectiveness, i strongly doubt neurochemistry is preserved across all people
18:53 < justanotheruser> I am perscribed now for 2 days
18:53 < justanotheruser> 15mg XR
18:53 < kanzure> why only two?
18:53 < kanzure> what's going on there
18:53 < justanotheruser> 2 days so far
18:53 < justanotheruser> I have 60 days
18:53 < kanzure> cool
18:53 < kanzure> notice anything?
18:53 < justanotheruser> doing research, it seems like a baby dose for me
18:54 < justanotheruser> I notice some increased ability to focus, but still get distracted
18:54 < justanotheruser> I am 210lb so it may not be enough
18:54 < kanzure> drugs won't magically make you work on the correct things.. there's still some executive pushing and tugging that has to happen.
18:55 < justanotheruser> right
18:55 < justanotheruser> I'm trying to do a bunch of self improvement
18:55 < justanotheruser> fixing my sleep schedule, exercising, eating better
18:56 < justanotheruser> At this point in the day is your medication wearing off?
18:56 < kanzure> around 3-4pm, then again around whenever i sleep
18:56 < justanotheruser> I see
18:57 < justanotheruser> now to change the subject, the only utility I see in coloredcoins is bearer bonds, do you agree or disagree?
18:57 < dingo_> i find an empty space is nice
18:57 < dingo_> for programming, i'm a full-screener only
18:57 < kanzure> i would probably pay for good silence
18:57 < dingo_> just xterm in front of me
18:57 < dingo_> for desk, i have only one notepad and pen
18:57 < dingo_> no tv's
18:57 < kanzure> justanotheruser: if you had asked me yesterday i may have disagreed, but today i'm not sure
18:57 < dingo_> and when i feel the need of audio for the silence, i pick boring crap
18:57 < dingo_> old black and white movies or npr radio or something
18:58 < kanzure> di.fm?
18:58 < justanotheruser> kanzure: epiphany?
18:58 < dingo_> i'm doing terrible at my current job due to noise
18:58 < kanzure> di.fm is sort of hit or miss though
18:58 < dingo_> i'm probobly 20% as productive as i was when i had an office with a door
18:58 < kanzure> dingo_: yeah that place was a circus. d3vz3r0 was just pulled in 1 million directions.
18:58 < dingo_> i attribute that to noise
18:58 < dingo_> yeah i'm his direct replacement
18:59 < dingo_> on average i help or talk to 10 people about technical shit
18:59 < dingo_> you can't sit down to "I'm about to write 600 lines of code", knowing you're going to be interrupted
18:59 < dingo_> it just gets harder every time
18:59 < kanzure> yes
18:59 < kanzure> and then you have to fool yourself about it.. "nah it wont be that bad"
18:59 < dingo_> at some point you just relish in the breaks
18:59 < kanzure> and then it is that bad
19:00 < dingo_> and just dick off, like i'm doing now
19:00 < dingo_> most of my code occurs after 6pm these days
19:00 < dingo_> its a bad gig, i'm working to change it
19:00 < dingo_> that is, get out of here
19:00 < dingo_> jnew left last week
19:00 < dingo_> ccao put her resignation in yesterday
19:01 < dingo_> leaves only me and vv remaining in the SJ office
19:01 < kanzure> ccao too? damn
19:01 < dingo_> i don't want to be stuck with that guy
19:01 < dingo_> yeah she wants me to join her in her new place
19:01 < dingo_> but i'm not impressed
19:01 < dingo_> http://www.virtualinstruments.com/
19:01 < kanzure> i've been paying ybit for a few weeks now
19:01 < dingo_> i'll find you 1,000 companies who do the same
19:01 < dingo_> i'm not really interested in working on bullshit
19:02 < kanzure> yes and after the runaround that we pulled off at that gig, there's basically nobody that should turn anyone on our team down
19:02 < kanzure> oops i mean turnaround
19:02 < dingo_> but they offer (at least er) unlimited vacations and WFH policies
19:02 < kanzure> turning a $10M product around and raising another $10M is a big fucking deal
19:02 < dingo_> yeah that phx project saved the company
19:03 < dingo_> absolutely no doubt
19:03 < dingo_> how soon everybody forgot and engineers became second class again
19:03 < kanzure> ouch
19:03 < kanzure> well, i remember
19:03 < kanzure> and there will be stories told
19:03 < dingo_> at this point i just feel the new hands can't manage, and they're going to fail, and i just don't want to be associated with that
19:04 < kanzure> well remember, their definition of success is very different and in some cases doesn't even include "we have an engineering team and a product"
19:04 < dingo_> i would have left earlier but i wanted direct source->target migrations to be successful before i did, which we've pretty much rounded out now
19:04 < dingo_> i wanted to contribute to something significant before i left
19:04 < dingo_> yeah true
19:06 < kanzure> "engineering? i think we had some of those somewhere. oh are they gone now? shouldn't be a big issue just powrecycle it."
19:06 < kanzure> *powercycle
19:06 < dingo_> well they've already started the india outsource stuf
19:06 < dingo_> its terrible
19:06 < kanzure> ah i see they didn't learn from last time
19:07 < dingo_> in fact vova and i just finished wrapping up bugfixes they commited over night
19:07 < dingo_> its like this almost every day
19:07 < dingo_> they don't give a fuck
19:07 < dingo_> its just contract work
19:07 < dingo_> the more mistakes, the longer the contract, the more work
19:07 < kanzure> it was contract work for me too
19:07 < dingo_> why document or care
19:07 < dingo_> yeah but you were also expensive
19:07 < kanzure> heh
19:07 < dingo_> i estimate these guys cost like 40K/yr
19:07 < kanzure> oh
19:08 < dingo_> there is such a thing as people on a project with a net-negative cost
19:09 < dingo_> i watched "notch" of minecraft fame work on his doom engine in Dart language yesterday and today
19:09 < dingo_> that's pretty fun
19:09 < kanzure> he types like magic doesn't he
19:09 < dingo_> oh he's terrible, lol, he uses an eclipse IDE
19:09 < dingo_> and he doesn't know it very well
19:09 < dingo_> about as well as i do
19:09 < kanzure> hm that's not what i remember
19:09 < kanzure> i should watch again
19:10 < dingo_> but he can solve the 3d math stuff pretty well
19:10 < kanzure> i remember watching him do ludum dare 48 once
19:10 < dingo_> he might have used his IDE of choice
19:10 < dingo_> my feeling is eclipse is not his choice IDE
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19:10 < dingo_> Dart has a roll-your-own IDE based on eclipse
19:10 < kanzure> http://www.twitch.tv/notch/b/487318324
19:10 < kanzure> .title
19:11 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed.
19:11 < kanzure> ah right twitch was acquired, so obviously they must take their servers offline
19:11 < dingo_> but of course ...
19:12 < kanzure> thing is, if you are typing code stream-of-thought style nonstop for multiple hours
19:12 < kanzure> then it probalby means that you are repeating yourself
19:12 < kanzure> *probably
19:12 < kanzure> so it is slightly less impressive in that context
19:12 < dingo_> the code he's wrote lately is pretty trashy/copy/pasted
19:13 < dingo_> but he's just having fun you know
19:13 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhN35bGvM8c&t=22m49s
19:13 < kanzure> .title
19:13 < dingo_> he figured out a pretty novel way to emulate the palette shifting doom does for "lighting"
19:13 < yoleaux> Notch coding 'Prelude of the Chambered'. Part 1 of the live programming stream from Ludum Dare #21
19:13 < kanzure> (start at 22m)
19:14 < kanzure> like, if you have written similar things so many times that you can bust out a 50 line function without thinking
19:14 < kanzure> maybe that's evidence you should write a library eh
19:14 < dingo_> yeah he's made many 3d engines
19:14 < dingo_> i would imagine thats part of the contest, right?
19:14 < kanzure> ld48 allows you to use pre-existing open source code
19:15 < kanzure> they generally frown on engines like rpgmaker (haha) but that's to be expected
19:15 < kanzure> by frown i mean socially harass you, it's not actually against the rules
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19:18 < dingo_> https://asciinema.org/a/2859 thats a game i wrote in an hour or so
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19:20 < eudoxia> is the point of the game to dodge the moving projectile thingees
19:20 < dingo_> yes, they have a "gravity" attracted to you
19:21 < eudoxia> neat
19:22 < dingo_> its a simple integer math, not true gravity, you have like,
19:22 < dingo_> star = {'x': 0, 'y': 0, 'xslope': 0, 'yslope': 0}
19:22 < Viper168> reminds me of this old game I forget the name
19:22 < dingo_> each loop, star['x'] += start['xslope']
19:22 < Viper168> maybe it was gravityball
19:22 < Viper168> which simulated gravity, and was kind of like vertical pinball
19:22 < dingo_> and you adjust the xslope very slowly, if x > 160: xslope -= 0.01, else: += 0.01
19:22 < Viper168> but with gravity sources so you could make the balls orbit around
19:23 < dingo_> same with y -- this game backs the player's position the '160' in such statement
19:23 < Viper168> you make a path using different elements and pipes and such to try and reach the end piece in unusual ways
19:23 < Viper168> was quite a fun game
19:23 < dingo_> https://asciinema.org/a/2878
19:23 < dingo_> there's a "screen cast" of me programming
19:24 < dingo_> a feature, aparently, that I took out anyway
19:24 < dingo_> in a telnet server
19:24 < dingo_> from what i recall i wasn't terribly proficient there
19:28 < kanzure> that should go on my tombstone
19:29 < kanzure> or "he was pretty ok."
19:34 < dingo_> yhehehe i like that phrase
19:35 < kanzure> "he was pretty ok for the needful"
19:36 < eudoxia> mine will read "never actually got around to rewriting nanoengineer"
19:41 < kanzure> what aspect did you prefer about that by the way
19:41 < kanzure> the simulation setup stuff? gui?
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19:44 < eudoxia> simulation and internal representation have both been done my more capable people
19:44 < eudoxia> i guess really the only thing that's needed is a GUI and the whole OpenGL clicky editor thing
19:45 < eudoxia> then tying everything together
19:46 < kanzure> "opengl thing to snap piles of atoms together based on rules"?
19:46 < kanzure> "also exports to common simulation setup formats"
19:46 < eudoxia> well the import/export thing would be handled by OpenBabel, which also handles the internal representation (ObMol/ObAtom)
19:46 < eudoxia> so it's really just an editor
19:47 < eudoxia> which kinda sucks because i know absolutely zero OpenGL or how you'd go about building it
19:48 < eudoxia> oh, and the simulation
19:48 < eudoxia> simulation video player, i mean
19:48 < kanzure> if there was one thing nanorex failed at it was the unix small one function tool philosophy
19:49 < eudoxia> that is what i've heard from you
19:50 < kanzure> most opengl libraries come with examples for point-and-click stuff
19:50 < kanzure> pyopengl has a pile of samples
19:51 < dingo_> i did a dive into graphics/gl programming in python last fall and it was an unpleasent situation
19:52 < dingo_> sdl bindings and pygame and so on, it was all very unpleasant environment, took a very long time, by the time i got actually drawing shit in a window i lost all my wind
19:52 < dingo_> can't remember what i finally ended up with as a framework, i was really set on getting bindings into box2d
19:52 < kanzure> i used to be "against" sdl because i was an allegro user
19:53 < kanzure> and allegro users were supposed to hate sdl, so...
19:53 < kanzure> guess which one won though heh
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22:30 < nmz787_i> anyone here used this? http://www.pyopt.org/
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23:40 < nmz787_i> damn near 1400 pins on this chip
23:48 < nmz787_i> "Sodium beacons are created by using a laser specially tuned to 589.2 nanometers to energize a layer of sodium atoms which are naturally present in the mesosphere at an altitude of around 90 kilometers. The sodium atoms then re-emit the laser light, producing a glowing artificial star. The same atomic transition of sodium is used to create bright yellow street lights in many cities. Rayleigh beacons rely on thescattering of light by the mol
23:48 < nmz787_i> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star
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