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afraid this might not be a one liner 09:29 < dingo> yeah i wan't to squeeze it into an already overfilled function 09:30 < dingo> i got to use phrase 'occluded' in a comment thoough 09:30 < dingo> so i'll still appear clever 09:31 < dingo> thats what its all about right 09:31 < kanzure> # ignore previous commenter he is a jerk 09:31 < dingo> he eh he 09:34 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:35 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- EnLilaSko- is now known as EnLilaSko 09:39 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@host-85-30-145-65.sydskane.nu] has quit [Changing host] 09:39 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-107-21-81-134.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-205-143-58.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:04 -!- catern [~catern@108.174.58.5] has quit 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At least with guns and rockets there's hardware to build. I suspect breast cancer research, for example, can't usefully absorb more money." 10:23 < kanzure> that seems all sorts of wrong 10:24 < kanzure> "Giving every cancer research on earth the freedom to actually research instead of preparing grant submissions would probably be enough to substantially decrease the amount of time before significant strides are made. Especially if the money would pay for research assistants, statisticians, and quants to parse the data being collected. Outfitting labs with the latest in high throughput robotics, microfluidics, sequencers, etc. would amplify ... 10:24 < kanzure> ... their efforts" 10:24 < kanzure> "I doubt all that would take more than a billion or two. For the entire world." 10:25 < kanzure> wha? let's say $500k per lab, and 50,000 labs. i get $25B. 10:31 < archels> quant sounds derogatory 10:31 < archels> what the heck is a quant, anyway 10:33 < kanzure> "people who do things that are quantified"- because i can't imagine the financial quant type is relevant there 10:34 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@cpe-76-167-105-53.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:43 < kanzure> hm "Another example would be the cost of design tools. There are only two: Cadence and Synopsys. Each license for a small startup team ranges from $50K to $75K per seat per year." 11:01 < bkero> 'sline 11:18 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@93.152.162.95] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@CPE-124-179-243-220.lns2.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- Guest20914 [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:05 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.209.223.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 -!- maaku is now known as Guest19157 12:29 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:30 -!- poppingtonic [~poppingto@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Guest19157 [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40 -!- maaku_ [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- top4o [~chatzilla@93.152.162.95] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446]] 13:21 < dpk> kanzure: when i looked into it i found https://pypi.python.org/pypi/betamax/0.4.0 13:29 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:30 < kanzure> i am aware of betamax 13:31 < kanzure> problem isn't finding libraries it's forcing someone to write code 13:32 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 < dpk> hint taken :-) 13:34 < kanzure> although i like sigmavirus24's work in general, 13:34 < kanzure> betamax's "first time goes out on the web" always seemed a little weird 13:34 < kanzure> because in most situations where i want to use this, the machine from which i am testing is not correctly proxied anyway 13:35 < kanzure> so a more generic tool to record the correct requests/responses would be needed (or i would have to upload code somewhere else, etc) 14:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40 -!- juri__ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52 -!- hypron [~hypron@KD182250135154.au-net.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:52 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:54 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-208-170.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 -!- hypron [~hypron@KD182250135154.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 15:07 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:10 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@123.29.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:20 -!- pi- [~Ohmu@cpc2-oxfd18-2-0-cust90.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 15:29 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@ip-37-188-138-65.eurotel.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@ip-37-188-138-65.eurotel.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37 -!- kyknos__ [~kyknos@ip-37-188-138-176.eurotel.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- EnLilaSko [EnLilaSko@unaffiliated/enlilasko] has quit [Quit: - 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I haven't found anything better for linux. 21:09 < justanotheruser> superkuh: do I just put the cmu databases in the festival dir? 21:09 < justanotheruser> and is it significantly better? 21:10 < justanotheruser> nevermind, I found out. 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