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The current funding models are broken and favor political skill over scientific genius." 09:07 < kanzure> "We like companies that try to augment humans." 09:07 < kanzure> "Drug development has gotten slower and more expensive. We’d like to fund companies doing this in new ways. Areas like nootropics seem underexplored." 09:08 < kanzure> "It’s still early, but it seems like we’re finally making real progress hacking biology. Reading DNA has become incredibly fast and cheap. There are many interesting applications here. There are perhaps even more interesting applications as we get better at writing DNA. ... We are especially interested in applications of biotech to prevent its own misuses. For example, if the bad guys can create new infectious diseases quickly, it’d be ... 09:08 < kanzure> ... nice if the good guys could create new cures and vaccines quickly as well." 09:09 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@77.88.71.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- PoohBear is now known as Tigger 09:52 < nmz787_i1> good recommendations for a NAS? 09:52 < nmz787_i1> I think I'm ordering from Newegg 09:54 -!- kumavis [~kumavis@107-219-148-42.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56 < nmz787_i1> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS 09:56 -!- FourFire [~fourfire@77.88.71.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has quit [Quit: realzies] 10:23 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:24 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:32 < ruphos> drobo is decent for minimal configuration 10:33 < ruphos> qnap is quality but pricy 10:39 -!- realzies [~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- realzies [~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:39 -!- realzies [~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:44 -!- kyknos__ [kyknos__@nat/novell/x-unbcxfctelxpadsk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:45 -!- kyknos__ [~labut_ste@2620:113:80c1:8001:219:d1ff:fead:364] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:08 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:21 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 -!- ruthie is now known as trotsky 11:29 -!- trotsky is now known as ruthie 11:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-174-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:32 < pi-> paperbot: 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least during routing, from what i've heard (meaning you can take a 90 degree later and miter it to a 45) 14:25 -!- ruthie [~ruthie@CPEbcc810070371-CMbcc81007036e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 < delinquentme> paperbot, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/LC/C4LC00385C#!divAbstract 14:32 < chris_99> i bought a lidar to play with nmz787 :) 14:33 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b3c64c410c37e82474843bea04244543.txt 14:33 -!- Tigger is now known as PoohBear 14:38 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-161-162-45.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- poppingt` [~poppingto@105.231.181.47] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-161-162-45.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:40 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:40 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:40 -!- poppingtonic 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For now.] 19:16 -!- tigger [~tigger@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- tigger [~tigger@unaffiliated/tigger] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18 -!- tigger [~tigger@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 < kanzure> hmm 19:42 -!- labut_stehovava [~labut_ste@2620:113:80c1:8001:219:d1ff:fead:364] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:43 < kanzure> i see 19:51 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-144-131-38-93.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-144-131-38-93.lns4.dav.bigpond.net.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < kanzure> "Ethyl alcohol is a common and cheap partially-polarized solvent. This makes it really really useful, to the point where taxing it too highly would just be a general tax on economic activity. This is the same reasoning, by the way, for why we no longer have taxes on salt (NaCl). It's just too damn useful, and we need to use it in such massive quantities that the high levels of taxes that you are proposing would be a general disincentive to ... 19:57 < kanzure> ... modern industrial processes." 20:04 < kanzure> med school costs https://www.aamc.org/download/152968/data/debtfactcard.pdf 20:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:18 < kanzure> "Kamêjôkô (1990s Vietnamese comics)" 20:30 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 < kanzure> why is #lesswrong consistently wrong? 20:36 < ebowden> LOL 20:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 < ebowden> What've they said now? 20:36 < kanzure> is there some rule about a bunch of people being in the same place and they all have to say wrong stuff 20:37 < kanzure> 20:36 < feep> if you perfectly fabricate a body of a person I've murdered 20:37 < kanzure> 20:36 < feep> I should not go to prison if I haven't _actually_ murdered them 20:37 < kanzure> "haha doing illegal things doesn't matter if there's a copy" 20:38 < kanzure> who the fuck are these people 20:38 < ebowden> LOLOLOLOLOL 20:38 < kanzure> what? 20:39 < ebowden> Are they serious? 20:40 < ParahSailin> yo 20:41 < kanzure> hi ParahSailin 20:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:42 < ParahSailin> with some heroku guys now 20:43 < kanzure> ask them if they have fixed their load balancing 20:44 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@li101-172.members.linode.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 < MononcQc> hi, I work with the (non)borken load balancing. 20:44 < MononcQc> got questions? 20:45 < kanzure> are you interviewing ParahSailin? 20:46 < ParahSailin> nah, i didnt interview with them just mooch their beer 20:46 < kanzure> also, how do i avoid long buildpack buildtimes 20:46 < MononcQc> I know routing, not buildpacks. 20:46 < kanzure> like, local gem/pypi/npm caching or something please 20:46 < kanzure> oh 20:47 < kanzure> MononcQc: you might be vaguely interested in this load balancing service discovery thing i released yesterday https://github.com/kanzure/docker-basenode 20:48 < MononcQc> HA Proxy is not workable for a thing like Heroku. So many apps and processes to route through, state reloads alone peg a CPU with HAPRoxy 20:48 -!- petretska [~asakharov@24.60.79.55] has quit [Quit: quit] 20:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:48 -!- tristan3 [~tristan@198.199.97.224] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 < kanzure> MononcQc: what do you prefer? 20:51 < MononcQc> for what? 20:51 < MononcQc> depends on the load and whatnot 20:51 < MononcQc> HEroku ended up with custom software. 20:51 < kanzure> instead of haproxy 20:51 < kanzure> ah ok 20:51 < MononcQc> HA Proxy is workable for many scenarios, but not ours, for example 20:52 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:52 < kanzure> this is just local internal load balancing between services 20:52 -!- docl [~luke@162.213.155.6] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 -!- docl [~luke@162.213.155.6] has quit [Changing host] 20:52 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:52 < kanzure> every node in the cluster connects to a service (like maybe an api server) but only once going through localhost haproxy 20:52 < MononcQc> ah yeah for that stuff it's likely fine. I was told someone was dissing random routing though 20:52 < kanzure> i diss lots of stuff 20:54 < MononcQc> yeah. It jus tturns out that over certain loads, if reqs are quick enough or in large number enough, and you get enough front-ends, the information becomes worthless 20:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:54 < MononcQc> or even harmful to have. Eventually it devolves to as bad/good as random routing 20:55 -!- omarkj [sid766@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eohdfusphwukmype] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 < MononcQc> so going to random right away is more efficient (little overhead). The solution ot this is minor amounts of concurrency on the endpoint for the eventual uneven load distribution 20:55 < MononcQc> and you get near-optimal stuff. 20:55 < kanzure> i don't think i've ever had enough traffic to test that anyway 20:55 < MononcQc> The best algorithm is join-idle queue, but requires coordination from the client to the proxies 20:55 < tristan3> yea, haproxy or nginx reverse proxy is the same strategy of routing but unable to deal with the change in routing logic rate 20:56 < MononcQc> so for lower traffic loads, leastconn, round-robin or random are probably a bit better than random 20:56 < MononcQc> but as load increases it gets more and more like random 20:56 < kanzure> tristan3: are you routing only too? 20:57 < tristan3> kanzure: team I work on, yea 20:57 < MononcQc> routing gang 20:57 * MononcQc hand signs 20:59 < kanzure> that seems a little unlikely why was ParahSailin talking to the exact set of people for the thing i was complaining about 20:59 < kanzure> some magic 20:59 < tristan3> unlikely but happened :) 20:59 < MononcQc> he's in a room with us 20:59 < tristan3> he is hanging with thealmost the whole routing team right now 20:59 < kanzure> yeah but i could have complained about buildpacks 20:59 < kanzure> or salesforce api things 20:59 < MononcQc> yeah then you're on your own 20:59 < tristan3> oh, well then we go tnothign :( 21:00 < tristan3> haha salesfroce 21:00 < kanzure> "just append __c on everything you'll be fine" 21:00 < MononcQc> #drimjob 21:00 < tristan3> is that the salesforce api? 21:00 < omarkj> Gotta build some CRM extensions... 21:00 < kanzure> that is the salesforce api yep 21:00 < MononcQc> Enjoy the Apex code 21:00 < tristan3> haha awesome 21:00 < kanzure> i refuse 21:00 < tristan3> never touched it 21:00 < MononcQc> same. 21:00 < MononcQc> We Erlangin' 21:01 < omarkj> I have...maintained the CLI for a while 21:01 < kanzure> cli for which 21:01 < omarkj> s/the/a 21:01 < omarkj> SFDC 21:01 < omarkj> rest api 21:01 < omarkj> not all of it because it's huge 21:02 < kanzure> i didn't really mean to bring up the retarded cousin nobody talks about, sorry 21:02 < tristan3> haha 21:03 < MononcQc> nice 21:03 < omarkj> Haha yeeaaah 21:03 < tristan3> I like this guy 21:03 < kanzure> although... there was that connect thing? 21:03 < omarkj> Nah 21:03 < kanzure> https://www.heroku.com/connect 21:03 < omarkj> Force cli 21:03 < tristan3> yea, heroku connect 21:03 < omarkj> tristan3: that's another thing 21:03 < tristan3> force cli is related I think 21:03 < tristan3> no idea! 21:03 < MononcQc> it's a thing so salesforce haters like salesforce a bit more afaik but I never bothered 21:03 < kanzure> i was thinking of doing a thing with http://raml.org/ 21:03 < MononcQc> I route requests and then cause downtime with messed up deploys 21:04 < kanzure> tough life man 21:04 < omarkj> Yeah it means you can get some data without logging in 21:04 < omarkj> to make the cli crowd feel less ignored 21:04 < kanzure> it's like working at the sewage company 21:04 < kanzure> or the postal company i assume ('the mail never stops') 21:04 < omarkj> yeah we do sewage for apps 21:04 < MononcQc> We do important stuff but they're all garbage or something 21:04 < MononcQc> har har 21:04 < kanzure> boilers and toilets and that one boiling toilet 21:05 < MononcQc> ~logging systems~ 21:05 < omarkj> people notice when we fuck up, but prefer not to know we exist. it's nice 21:05 < kanzure> if you do everything right nobody will know you have done anything at all -dilbert 21:05 < omarkj> also god in Futurama 21:05 < MononcQc> yeah 21:05 < kanzure> oh that's the one i mean 21:06 < kanzure> ah here's the right quote.. "Toilets 'n' boilers, boilers 'n' toilets. Plus that one boiling toilet. Fire me if'n you dare." 21:08 < kanzure> but really, building slugs has wasted entire hours of my life 21:08 -!- audy [~audy@unaffiliated/audy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09 < kanzure> i am skeptical: https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/2/11/git_push_heroku_master_now_40_faster 21:10 < kanzure> same problem happens with dockerfiles too 21:10 < MononcQc> http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/ 21:10 < kanzure> butt tastic 21:10 < kanzure> but it doesn't seem to have the high pitched fart 21:10 < kanzure> ah there it is 21:11 < omarkj> I have never built slugs 21:11 < omarkj> tristan3 has 21:11 < tristan3> I build slugs like no other 21:11 < kanzure> so no dog food 21:12 < MononcQc> not for us 21:12 < tristan3> we dogfood except for the dogfood 21:12 < MononcQc> other teams dogfood 21:12 < tristan3> I wish we could dogfood, haha 21:12 < tristan3> we have to deploy with non heroku tools 21:13 < kanzure> "we can only deploy with octohost" 21:13 < kanzure> "and dotcloud" 21:13 < omarkj> Yeah I wish we could dog food... 21:14 < kanzure> obviously you should be running chaos monkey 21:14 < MononcQc> we do it's call "running on AWS" 21:14 < omarkj> Yeah 21:14 < kanzure> https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy/wiki/Chaos-Monkey 21:15 < kanzure> you guys sound like an elaborate ad for devops borat 21:15 < omarkj> Amazon kills instances for is, as a service 21:15 < omarkj> For us 21:15 < MononcQc> We're cynical. 21:15 < kanzure> .tw 320168661509890051 21:15 < yoleaux> In startup we are gamify site outage. Three outage and ops team is out. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) 21:15 < MononcQc> But we can't easily run a thing like chaosmonkey because that would interrupt customer requests when we don't control clients 21:15 < MononcQc> Netflix can write self-reconnecting and redirecting clients, we get users in browsers trying to buy shit and whatnot 21:15 < omarkj> Yeah chaos monkey would disrupt requests in flight 21:16 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/311340681950007297 21:16 < omarkj> MononcQc: we could do it for parts of the system 21:16 < yoleaux> Every PaaS can able be reduce to 120 Perl script. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) 21:16 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/311335361169195009 21:16 < yoleaux> In startup we are practice Outage Driven Infrastructure. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) 21:16 < MononcQc> yeah we could for parts of the system, but then it would be a "slightly chaotic monkey" 21:16 < omarkj> Haha yeah 21:16 < kanzure> the trick is to keep it under the natural failure rate 21:16 < MononcQc> kanzure, we've seen issues we never could imagine 21:17 < tristan3> HashNuke: ! 21:17 < MononcQc> kernel error that always accepts data in the TCP send buffer but never actually sends them, while still being able to keep the connection open and properly receiving data from remote 21:17 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/310165414338494464 21:17 < yoleaux> You can not able have unlimit scalability without unlimit outage. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) 21:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:18 < kanzure> yeah i'm sure kernel tweaks are required here and there 21:19 < MononcQc> oh this was a kernel bug 21:20 < kanzure> are there stress tests the kernel tcp people run before doing a release? 21:22 < MononcQc> no idea 21:23 < kanzure> this is how i imagine you people http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/mighty-morphin-power-rangers-team-copy.jpg 21:23 < kanzure> "who needs stress testing!" 21:23 < kanzure> do it live 21:24 -!- audy [~audy@107.170.175.57] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:35 < kanzure> hmm http server mocking thing https://github.com/rackerlabs/mimic 21:39 -!- MononcQc [~ferd@li101-172.members.linode.com] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 21:44 < kanzure> damn i should start using this instead of requestbin http://respondto.it/ 21:56 -!- fenn [~fenn@131.252.130.248] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- p0g0_ [~pogo@69.176.56.189.MRTC.static.mrtc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- Twey [~twey@twey.co.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:56 -!- Twey [~twey@twey.co.uk] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:56 -!- maaku is now known as Guest73070 21:57 -!- Twey [~twey@unaffiliated/twey] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/session] has quit [Changing host] 22:01 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/x-uypyhvwewurstbgz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:12 -!- snuffeluffegus [~snuff@2001:9b0:10:2104:216:3eff:feb7:f845] has quit [Quit: The force will be with you, always.] 22:19 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:20 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:28 -!- HashNuke [uid12117@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypdckvkxmcjnnhnk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:29 -!- omarkj [sid766@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eohdfusphwukmype] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtocqjsvaqmzppvr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36 < kanzure> fenn: hi 22:39 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40 -!- Jaakko917 [~Jaakko@host81-152-211-148.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:42 -!- smeaaagle [~smeaaagle@2002:6ca6:4fb1::6ca6:4fb1] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:43 -!- Jaakko916 [~Jaakko@host81-152-211-148.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:47 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:59 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:39 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. --- Log closed Sat Sep 13 00:00:04 2014