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00:50 < ebowden> Is libgen still down.
00:56 < juri_> mmm?
00:57 < ebowden> Is libgen still down?
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05:56 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v15/n9/full/nn.3189.html
05:56 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnn.3189
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06:42 < kanzure> hmph
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08:55 < ybit> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9908043
08:55 < yoleaux> [quant-ph/9908043] Ultimate physical limits to computation
08:55 < ybit> linked from .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4
08:55 < ybit> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4
08:55 < yoleaux> "The Mess We're In" by Joe Armstrong - YouTube
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11:19 < jrayhawk> who the fuck cares about boot times
11:19 < jrayhawk> that is like the first thing to trade off against because it only happens once a month
11:20 < jrayhawk> oh, he's a physicist
11:20 < jrayhawk> explains so much about erlang
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11:36 < jrayhawk> also sixty second boot times were a fantasy back then
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12:15 < dingo> i don't think he's talking about boot times so much as he's talking about layers
12:17 < kanzure_> layers, jerry, layers
12:17 < dingo> the amount of crap i've had to accumulate for any single language is getting excessive
12:17 < kanzure_> hm?
12:18 < dingo> tools, package management, analysis, whatever
12:19 < eudoxia> language-specific package managers are great i don't see how people get so angry at the idea
12:19 < dingo> his example was about some grunt shit he didn't even know existed until it didn't work
12:19 < kanzure_> most language-specific package managers absolutely suck
12:19 < dingo> i think what is most interesting his talk is about the state of any given machine
12:19 < dingo> the real problem stems from divirged states, the "works for me, but not you" issue
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12:20 < dingo> did you know ./setup.py install of a python package with a dependency>=1,<2 requirement, if fulfilled by 1.1, but version 1.5 is available, will not upgrade to 1.5?
12:21 < dingo> yet if you do 'pip install --upgrade' of the target package, it will upgrade its sub-dependencies
12:21 < dingo> this is the worthless crap i accumulate and have to retain
12:22 < kanzure_> wait, what does your first part have to do with upgrading subdependencies?
12:22 < dingo> or how about --find-links file://url/ must be an absolute system path, and on windows, use posix path separators
12:22 < dingo> --find-links file://C:/local/packages/
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12:45 < kanzure_> dvorkbjel: hi
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14:43 < nmz787_i> fooplot has been down, so I started to make a backup (still need to add the user inputs, didn't realize their sample didn't include them) http://nmz787.github.io/fooplot.html
14:43 < kanzure_> --Alyssa Henning, current AlumniGEM Committee chair
14:43 < kanzure_> --Esin Demir, incoming AlumniGEM Committee co-chair
14:43 < kanzure_> --Sung won Lim, incoming AlumniGEM Committee co-chair
14:43 < kanzure_> alumnigem.... i am going to stab someone.
14:45 < kanzure_> [3~ incoming lawsuit from fluidigm or illumina...
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14:58 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.sciencemag.org/content/322/5903/949.short
14:58 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1164270
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15:25 < kanzure_> "One of the greatest real achievements of the anti Barney movement was to coopt jihad.net a url that they maintain to this day, keeping it out of the hands of those who might do true harm with a site with that address."
15:25 < kanzure_> apparently this is what yudkowsky was up to before transhumanism, and before siai
15:25 < kanzure_> http://jihad.net/
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15:27 < kanzure_> hi cpopell
15:27 < cpopell> hi
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15:45 < Lemminkainen> anti-Barney?
15:46 < kanzure> yes
15:46 < Lemminkainen> ah, thank you for that
15:46 < Lemminkainen> I've been negotiating with a Barney-like party and such jokes are a relief
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15:47 < kanzure> with a party?
15:52 < Lemminkainen> "group of people"
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16:05 < nmz787_i> why are you guys talking about a children's TV show personality?
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16:05 < kanzure> 15:25 < kanzure_> apparently this is what yudkowsky was up to before transhumanism, and before siai
16:05 < kanzure> that is why
16:06 < nmz787_i> is he the writer of the show?
16:06 < nmz787_i> does this have anything to do with a purple dinosaur?
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16:10 < kanzure> i don't know, i guess he was the person who setup jihad.net originally
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16:16 < kanzure> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/APIReference/ApiReference-query-DescribeInstanceStatus.html
16:16 < kanzure> http://bap.ece.cmu.edu/ "AP, the Binary Analysis Platform. BAP makes it easy to analyze binary code by first lifting assembly instructions into a simple language called BIL (the BAP Intermediate Language). BIL explicitly represents the side effects of assembly instructions, such as flag computations. All your analysis needs to do is analyze the lifted BIL code to understand what the binary will do."
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16:17 < kanzure> "BAP can also convert BIL into LLVM byte code."
16:18 < kanzure> "Phoenix, a decompiler built with BAP."
16:18 < kanzure> oh brother, if i see one more thing named phoenix i'm gonna .. well i'm not sure what.
16:19 < nmz787_i> huh, never heard of the site
16:20 < kanzure> return-oriented programming compiler thingy https://github.com/pakt/ropc "- byte sequences (possible gadget candidates) ending in RET are dynamically classified (like in Q),
16:20 < kanzure> " semantics of found candidates are verified with a SAT solver (like in Q),"
16:20 < kanzure> well anyway, that's prettycool
16:21 < kanzure> i was doing something like that manually in pokecrystal
16:21 < kanzure> for code injection
16:25 < kanzure> "Q: Exploit hardening made easy" http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~ejschwar/papers/usenix11.pdf
16:26 < kanzure> oh wait, i've read this already.
16:34 < ybit> kanzure: https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
16:34 < ybit> yw
16:34 < kanzure> jstor's backend was called phoenix
16:35 < kanzure> and so was a previous project i was working on
16:36 < dingo> :) confirmed
16:37 < dingo> their current frontend is literatum (http://www.atypon.com/solutions/overview.php), and their next frontend is code-name 'sequoia', 4-years in progress, due to release early next year
16:37 < kanzure> not quite as bad
16:38 < dingo> i just met with a recently-former jstor employee last night
16:38 < kanzure> same old same old?
16:39 < dingo> they've divided their staff, literatum vs. sequoia, with intent to layoff all literatum in ~6mo
16:39 < kanzure> that's silly
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16:53 < delinquentme> Whattt do I want to eat right nao
16:53 < delinquentme> today is eat day.  maybe icecrea
16:53 < delinquentme> maybe burger idk
16:54 < delinquentme> Any ideas if openSCAD files can be used as input for photolithography?
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16:55 < kanzure> that's not a good idea
16:55 < kanzure> just use svg
16:56 < kanzure> cadquery, even
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16:57 < kanzure> oh right... wei dai emails to satoshi nakamoto http://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto
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17:35 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14749499
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18:34 < kanzure> https://github.com/unsystem/paypub "Distribute an encrypted file to the world. Reveal some (provably fair) random section of the contents to prove the legitimacy of its contents. People bid on the remaining parts. Leaker redeeming funds automatically releases the decryption key allowing people to unlock the remaining parts of the file. NO CENTRAL OPERATOR. NO IDENTITY NEEDED. NO INTERACTION WITH LEAKER REQUIRED."
18:35 < kanzure> "Spending money from those addresses, reveals the public key which is used to decrypt other chunks."
18:41 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14749499
18:41 < ebowden> paperbot: http://iospress.metapress.com/content/a727730627q72g57/?genre=article&issn=1387-2877&volume=31&issue=4&spage=765
18:47 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1bf67a83b0c6d1f84bbf7a1da8548302.txt
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19:42 < kanzure> http://blog.givewell.org/2014/09/11/challenges-of-transparency/
19:42 < kanzure> "We don’t think it necessarily makes sense for all philanthropic organizations to put as much effort into transparency as we do. Rather, we see transparency as one of the core areas in which we are trying to experiment, innovate, and challenge the status quo."
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21:10 < ebowden> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jcmm.12119/pdf
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