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02:08 < superkuh> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576514003397
02:09 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20ICAN%3A%20A%20novel%20laser%20architecture%20for%20space%20debris%20removal%0A%20.pdf
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04:40 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.cell.com/chemistry-biology/abstract/S1074-5521%2810%2900153-5
04:41 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fbc029017f4b75144e529c51dac75fee.txt
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05:30 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23000247
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05:30 < paperbot> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='libgen.org', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: /scimag/librarian/form.php (Caused by <class 'socket.gaierror'>: [Errno -2] Name or service not known) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send)
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06:27 < kanzure> hmph
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06:31 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22740037?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn
06:31 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1002%2Fjcb.24238
06:32 < ebowden> \:D/
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07:15 < JayDugger> Morning.
07:19 < kanzure> hmm.
07:24 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0kn4fQaMRQ
07:24 < yoleaux> Arturo Mercado - Warm Lights (Alfonso Muchacho Remix) - YouTube
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09:20 < heath> didn't realize these programs existed: https://aws.amazon.com/activate/ https://cloud.google.com/developers/startups/
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09:23 < drethelin> how bad is diet soda for losin weight?
09:28 < kanzure> janet yellen bad
09:30 < heath> drethelin: there's contraversy with aspartame and memory loss, feel free to research the topic and get back to this channel
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09:33 < kanzure> controversy
09:34 < chris_99> most importantly diet soda tastes terrible
09:34 < chris_99> (to me)
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10:14 < kanzure> dingo: aaaaaa app config :\
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11:01 < kanzure> dingo: wow flask recommends a terrible thing http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/0.10/config/#development-production
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11:11 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8b3963VRW4&t=40s
11:11 < kanzure> .title
11:11 < yoleaux> Falling Down - Whats wrong to the street? - YouTube
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12:24 < heath> http://martinfowler.com/bliki/FeatureBranch.html :: "Once a team is afraid to refactor to keep their code healthy they are on downward spiral with no pretty end."
12:25 < heath> a couple of years ago, i witnessed this on a project for att
12:25 < heath> exactly due to this reason
12:27 < kanzure> that's a bad idea, you should just never let code get shitty in the first place
12:27 < kanzure> never write shit
12:35 < heath> kanzure: what's a bad idea? working off master?
12:36 < kanzure> "Once a team is afraid to refactor"
12:37 < kanzure> solution: don't do things that will need to be refactored later
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12:58 < kanzure> git fsck saved the day
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14:07 < delinquentme> nmz787_, you around?
14:07 < delinquentme> nmz787_i, tew
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14:33 < nmz787_i> delinquentme: hey
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15:03 < jackybgood> Paperbot please find http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9783527628155.nanotech016/abstract
15:05 < jackybgood> DOI: 10.1002/9783527628155.nanotech016
15:07 < kanzure> didn't you know how to use paperbot yesterday
15:07 < kanzure> what has changed in the last 15 hours?
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15:13 < jackybgood> I didn't know how to use it, I guessed.
15:14 < kanzure> so you're guessing differently today?
15:14 < jackybgood> paperbot http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9783527628155.nanotech016/abstract
15:15 < jackybgood> Sometimes I do, apparently
15:15 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/783b020157a961d2e5e1598f7f319970.txt
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15:16 < jackybgood> Not quite
15:16 < kanzure> paperbot is not always able to grab a file
15:17 < jackybgood> Should I try the doi?
15:21 < jackybgood> ~help
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15:24 < kanzure> no
15:24 < kanzure> paperbot simply can't get it
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15:24 < jackybgood> Ok I'll keep looking elsewhere, thanks
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16:45 < nmz787_i> kanzure: i thought I'd added some stuff to a wiki for portlab
16:46 < nmz787_i> now I can't find that wiki page
16:47 < nmz787_i> I had to find this via google, http://diyhpl.us/portlab/
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16:47 < nmz787_i> but the links are all messed up, i wante to see the project secitons
16:47 < nmz787_i> section
16:48 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: any idea what might have caused that?
16:50 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: also what do you think about this https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/self-replicating_machines.mdwn?id=18eef56f1ac9d3c2d1ce910379c061ae89a66426
16:50 < nmz787_i> hmm, maybe i never committed those... grr, maybe that was on the portlab website which exsisted briefly
16:50 < nmz787_i> :/
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16:51 < kanzure> nevermind, looks like fenn was around at that time
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16:54 < nmz787_i> :( did you kanzure ever copy this ? http://portlabpdx.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projects
16:54 < nmz787_i> i added content on 6/6/13
16:55 < kanzure> nope don't think so
16:56 < nmz787_i> :( archive.org got close but didn't copy http://portlabpdx.org/wiki/index.php?title=DNA_Sequencing
16:56 < nmz787_i> this exists but not that https://web.archive.org/web/20131006092642/http://portlabpdx.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projects
17:00 < kanzure> "(3) Product presales in which the cryptotoken serves as market pricing mechanism for products that have marginal cost of distribution. For software in the past you had to set a somewhat arbitrary initial price; now you can let the market set the price for a particular good at some stage in its distribution, including prior to its release.(we will see some of these emerging at the decentralized demo day on the 5th of November)"
17:01 < kanzure> nmz787_i: got hacked?
17:03 < kanzure> analysis of price data from uber/lyft/etc http://blog.whatsthefare.com/2014/10/it-pays-to-compare.html
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17:29 < nmz787_i> kanzure: nah no one paid the bill
17:31 < kanzure> ask them if paying the bill will recover the data on their end
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18:03 < nmz787_i> kanzure: idk when the account expired, probably earlier this year or something
18:03 < nmz787_i> it's been a while, and it wasn't my server
18:03 < nmz787_i> i think i pulled the info from my memory, at least in general
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18:21 < kanzure> .title http://wyss.harvard.edu/viewpressrelease/170/dna-nanofoundries-cast-customshaped-metal-nanoparticles
18:21 < yoleaux> DNA nano-foundries cast custom-shaped metal nanoparticles : Wyss Institute at Harvard
18:23 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2014/10/08/science.1258361.abstract
18:23 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/386069d429ba62b59045c2bb4dcb9b79.txt
18:24 < kanzure> "We report a general strategy for designing and synthesizing inorganic nanostructures with arbitrarily prescribed three-dimensional shapes. Computationally designed DNA strands self-assemble into a stiff “nano-mold” that contains a user-specified three-dimensional cavity and encloses a nucleating gold “seed”. Under mild conditions, this seed grows into a larger cast structure that fills and thus replicates the cavity. We synthesized a ...
18:24 < kanzure> ... variety of nanoparticles with three nanometer resolution: three distinct silver cuboids with three independently tunable dimensions, silver and gold nanoparticles with diverse cross sections, and composite structures with homo-/heterogeneous components. The designer equilateral silver triangular and spherical nanoparticles exhibited plasmonic properties consistent with electromagnetism-based simulations. Our framework is generalizable to ...
18:25 < kanzure> ... more complex geometries and diverse inorganic materials, offering a range of applications in biosensing, photonics, and nanoelectronics."
18:25 < kanzure> 3 nm is pretty big i guess
18:26 < kanzure> too bad
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18:38 < nmz787_i> 3nm is pretty decent for structural stuff though
18:39 < nmz787_i> you could make Raman-enhanced probe tips, probably AFM tips
18:41 < nmz787_i> probably nano syringe tips
18:41 < nmz787_i> lol, the supplement has more pics http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/10/08/science.1258361.DC1/Sun.SM.pdf
18:42 < nmz787_i> ~120 pgs of supplement
18:42 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/10/08/science.1258361.DC1/Sun.SM.pdf
18:44 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/eb30b0ee488e6fbebfca679dff7147a0.pdf
18:45 < kanzure> .botsnack
18:45 < yoleaux> :D
18:47 < nmz787_i> .botslap
18:47 < nmz787_i> .bothack
18:48 < nmz787_i> .boteasteregg
18:48 < nmz787_i> .bothug
18:48 < nmz787_i> oh, half of the supplement is DNA sequence
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19:05 < nmz787_i> kanzure: i don't understand why you linked to that flask page and why you thought it was bad
19:05 < kanzure> hardcoding config in python is morally evil
19:06 < kanzure> configuration should be loaded from environment variables or a config file (really a dictionary)
19:07 < kanzure> (and really the application should have no understanding of whether it came from a config file, environment variables, or command line arguments- really, no application should care about that shit)
19:08 < kanzure> a good heuristic is "would i be willing to murder a baby to be able to hardcode this config option in this file?"
19:08 < kanzure> if the answer is yes then go for it
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19:10 < kanzure> also, there are additional problems with flask's suggestion, like putting all of your config classes in the same file (which makes it hard to separately override different configuration defaults unless you are modifying source code)
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19:11 < streety> how is a config file different to a python file?
19:11 < nmz787_i> exactly my thoughts
19:11 < kanzure> doesn't execute code
19:12 < streety> is it just the lack of granular control you object to or am I missing something?
19:12 < kanzure> i object to the lack of separation of concerns
19:12 < streety> what difference does it make whether it executes code?
19:12 < nmz787_i> lots of files suck though for a small app
19:12 < nmz787_i> which is what flask seems to target
19:13 < nmz787_i> streety: well if it was some user-provided file, it could be bad if your app imports that just for config settings
19:13 < nmz787_i> it could have an rm -rf in there
19:13 < streety> is that a realistic use case though?
19:14 < kanzure> you don't want indeterministic config
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19:14 < nmz787_i> it's a realistic case for security holes
19:14 < kanzure> your configuration should not be fucking turing complete, argh
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19:15 < kanzure> principle 3 yo http://12factor.net/
19:15 < kanzure> http://12factor.net/config
19:17 < kanzure> this is a little disappointing actually. it has some okay arguments but nothing i couldn't've mustered on my own.
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19:17 < kanzure> what a ripoff.
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19:25 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19576267
19:25 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.brainresbull.2009.06.016
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19:34 < kanzure> genehacker: yeah i'm not sure that actual single atom precision is necessary
19:35 < kanzure> i think i would be pretty happy with ~1000 atom precision?
19:35 < nmz787_i> for what?
19:35 < kanzure> for... stuff.
19:35 < kanzure> you know.
19:35 < nmz787_i> ....
19:35 < nmz787_i> i can give you 1000 atom precision now
19:35 < nmz787_i> what do you want it for
19:36 < genehacker> 10 angstrom precision good enough for you?
19:37 < genehacker> And your probably right about not needing it
19:37 < nmz787_i> kanzure: you'd probably be interested in erik sanchez's work out of pdx.edu
19:38 < nmz787_i> kanzure: the neutral atom microscope is pretty compelling
19:38 < nmz787_i> all this high precision stuff requires self-assembly or high vacuum though
19:39 < kanzure> genehacker is doing molecules instead
19:40 < nmz787_i> isn't that the latter case i gave?
19:41 < nmz787_i> err
19:41 < nmz787_i> former
19:41 < nmz787_i> 'self-assembly'
19:42 < kanzure> self-assembly doesn't really discriminate for or against single atom
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19:43 < nmz787_i> neither did i discriminate
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19:44 < nmz787_i> FIB can deposit or mill
19:44 < nmz787_i> electrons can activate low pressure gasses somewhat too
19:45 < nmz787_i> (low pressure such that the electrons can still maintain a user-determined straight path in the chamber from the source to the target)
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20:02 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2809%2970062-6/fulltext#article_upsell
20:03 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/51175064d15dd9f46acb761aca9aeb90.txt
20:04 < ebowden> paperbot: http://f1000.com/prime/718180370#abstract
20:05 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16297637?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn
20:05 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mcn.2005.10.006
20:05 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/96b8775a611a8bb8efc9a618e679eac2.txt
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21:19 < heath> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nchem/journal/v4/n6/full/nchem.1354.html
21:19 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnchem.1354
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