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01:13 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1240129
01:14 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/JMEMS.2003.818066
01:14 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/762c2b9cb472d3a0bbd7b55e69160b1e.txt
01:14 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8bb23bbdf1dc0e8d681b5c1156c65fa9.txt
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03:36 < CathalG> Hello friends
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03:46 < archels> greetings
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04:02 < CathalG> Quiet as ever, I see. Damn you, timezones
04:05 < archels> that, and just. y'know. it's IRC.
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07:22 < kanzure> i wonder if he was going to pimp for his new employer
07:22 < kanzure> i need a better way to keep track of all the bitcoin developers. there's like 8 places: bitcoin-development mailing list, github bitcoin issues email notifications, bitcointalk, pound bitcoin, pound bitcoin-dev, pound bitcoin-wizards, pound bitcoin-mining, in some cases hacker news, and a few i'm forgetting.... it's not quite the "just put it into an rss feed" sort of problem either. hrm.
07:23 < kanzure> er, when i wrote that i had to use the word pound because the stupid app i was using wanted #n to reference a github issue. terribly broken interface.
07:38 < heath> "Not saying you will get accepted if you apply to @indbio doing anything commercially feasible with logic gates but your odds are pretty high"
07:39 < kanzure> even if you get accepted what would you actually do
07:40 < kanzure> i don't think that transcription-based logic gates are commercially viable for computation. just doesn't add up.
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07:43 < kanzure> counterparty's doing a somewhat large merge at the moment https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd/pull/336
07:48 < JayDugger> So there's a cryptocurrency investment newsletter using github activity as a source of trading signals, right?
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07:48 < kanzure> newsletter...?
07:49 < JayDugger> Sorry, dating myself with vocabulary.
07:49 < kanzure> i think most people just directly use the exchange api
07:49 < JayDugger> Point taken.
07:49 < kanzure> chrome extension that uses mitmproxy/libmproxy http://dutzi.github.io/tamper/
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08:06 < heath> https://localmotors.com/3d-printed-car/
08:06 < kanzure> "First of all, OpenTrons is part of Haxlr8r, a hardware accelerator based in Shenzhen also run by SOS Ventures. We went from a prototype and an idea, to a product and a manufacturing operation through the program -- we're launching our Kickstarter at the end of this month. Also, OpenTrons is also going to be working with IndieB.io to automate teams' labwork."
08:06 < heath> juri_
08:06 < kanzure> via will canine <willcanine@gmail.com>
08:07 < kanzure> so they raised capital first, then decided to go raise money through crowdfunding too. that's pretty weird. that basically says that sos ventures is uninterested in funding them further.
08:10 < kanzure> http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/sosventures
08:18 < kanzure> huh, formlabs raised $19M last year
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08:39 < kanzure> in tmux if i type bind-key ! to send a pane to a new window, is there a maneuver to send it back to where it originally was?
08:43 < kanzure> oh. z.
08:43 < juri_> heath: boring.
08:43 < heath> juri_: heh
08:43 < juri_> i keep a close eye on those guys: so far, they've made a printer with a really wide nozzle, and printed a vehicle as ONE PART with a top speed of 4mph.
08:44 < juri_> ever ding your car? how would you feel about having to replace it when that happened? :P
08:44 < kanzure> i would feel confused, i think
08:45 < juri_> meanwhile, i'm printing tyres for a 'ground drone'.
08:45 < heath> i think it's an important proof of concept, bbl phone
08:46 < juri_> that i'll agree on.
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09:34 < kanzure> http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/vc-istan-8-the-damaso-effect/
09:36 < kanzure> "The startup scene has the feeling of academic politics: vicious intrigue, because the stakes are so small."
09:36 < kanzure> huh, maybe. except academia has way less funding anyway.
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09:53 < heath> .title http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/business/venture-capitalists-return-to-backing-science-start-ups.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimesscience&_r=0
09:53 < yoleaux> Log In - The New York Times
09:53 < heath> bah
09:53 < heath> Venture Capitalists Return to Backing Science Start-Ups
09:54 < kanzure> there's actually an entire biotech vc world that is pretty dissimilar from technology startup venture capital
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10:14 < heath> the article mentions the money backing software is still greater
10:15 < kanzure> it's been greater for quite a while
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10:37 < kanzure> https://www.dronecode.org/
10:37 < kanzure> "Dronecode includes the APM UAV software platform and associated code, which until now has been hosted by 3D Robotics. The project will also incorporate the partner PX4 project. More than 1,200 developers are working on Dronecode with more than 150 code commits a day on some projects."
10:37 < kanzure> "The result of the project is a common, shared open source platform for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs). The platform has been adopted by many of the organizations on the forefront of drone technology, including 3DRobotics, Skycatch, DroneDeploy, HobbyKing, Horizon Ag, PrecisionHawk, Agribotics, and Walkera, among others."
10:38 < kanzure> https://www.dronecode.org/software/current-projects
10:38 < kanzure> http://ardupilot.com/ "Ardupilot is an open source unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) platform, able to control autonomous multicopters, fixed-wing aircraft, traditional helicopters and ground rovers. Created in 2007 by the DIY Drones community, APM/ArduPilot is now one of the world's leading autonomous vehicle platforms. The ArduPilot project has developed to enable a range of hardware and software products, including the APM and Pixhawk/PX4 line ...
10:38 < kanzure> ... of autopilots, and the ArduCopter, ArduPlane, and ArduRover software projects."
10:38 < kanzure> https://pixhawk.org/start "PX4 is an independent, open-source, open-hardware project aiming at providing a high-end autopilot to the academic, hobby and industrial communities (BSD licensed) at low costs and high availability. It is a complete hardware and software platform, much like a computer, and can run multiple autopilot applications. It is supported by the PIXHAWK Project of the Computer Vision and Geometry Lab of ETH Zurich (Swiss ...
10:38 < kanzure> ... Federal Institute of Technology) and by the Autonomous Systems Lab and the Automatic Control Laboratory as well from a number of individuals."
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10:39 < kanzure> "I wish the Linux Foundation would be more progressive with naming the project. One of the member orgs, Skyward, has already switched away from the word 'drone' to a much more descriptive 'aerial robotics'."
10:39 < kanzure> .title http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2014/10/linux-foundation-and-leading-technology-companies-launch-open
10:39 < yoleaux> Linux Foundation and Leading Technology Companies Launch Open Source Dronecode Project | The Linux Foundation
10:41 < kanzure> some packages/applications/things https://pixhawk.org/firmware/apps/start
10:41 < kanzure> https://github.com/PX4/Firmware
10:42 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/px4users
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10:44 < nell> kanzure today is the day of the meetup, and I have been unsuccessful in getting in touch with Dr. Rothblatt :(
10:44 < nell> it was her birthday last friday and her company is closed on weekends and I suspect today as well as its Columbus day..
10:46 < heath> .music
10:46 < heath> !music
10:46 < kanzure> one moment, you can't expect me to react that fast, jeesh
10:46 < kanzure> heath: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0kn4fQaMRQ
10:46 < heath> need a music bot
10:46 < heath> or that
10:47 < kanzure> actually, disregard
10:47 < kanzure> this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFNmf9Plv7k
10:47 < heath> too late
10:47 < heath> will play next though :)
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11:04 < kanzure> i forgot about https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/legacy-databases/
11:04 < kanzure> nice magic trick
11:04 < kanzure> https://github.com/jeffknupp/sandman "Given a legacy database, sandman not only gives you a REST API, it gives you a beautiful admin page and opens your browser to the admin page. It truly does everything for you, you ungrateful lazy pleb."
11:08 < kanzure> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sqlacodegen "a tool that reads the structure of an existing database and generates the appropriate SQLAlchemy model code, using the declarative style if possible."
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11:38 < juri_> kanzure: has nell been trying to get ahold of you?
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11:40 < kanzure> all sorts of weird ways
11:40 < kanzure> alusion is a total troll
11:40 < kanzure> and it is annoying
11:40 < nell> I'm NOT
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11:47 < juri_> nell is not a troll. i've even entered a hackathon with him.
11:48 < nell> don't have a lot of time now...
11:48 < nell> This is why we can't have nice things.
11:50 < kanzure> then what the fuck do you call this shit?
11:50 < kanzure> 17:30 < alusion> That is fascinating actually. Do you see yourself obtaining a pokemon in the near future?
11:51 < nell> I never said that
11:51 < juri_> he seems to believe having Dr. Rothblatt at a meetup tonight is important, and i can at least vouch for his 'vision'.
11:53 < kanzure> deny everything, good strategy
11:54 < kanzure> i don't know why you think i have secret access to manipulate martine's calendar. i don't even know this person.
11:54 < kanzure> so stop asking me.
11:54 < kanzure> (unseen: various pm's)
11:54 < nell> Until there's a typeface for sarcasm we shall not attempt it during this short window of opportunity
11:55 < nell> what about through natasha?
11:55 < nell> I dont need access to manipulate her calendar, I just need her attention for one sparse moment
11:56 < kanzure> i thought you already spoke to natasha
11:56 < nell> she said the best she could do is forward my email
11:57 < nell> no response from either since then
11:57 < kanzure> man, good thing you never trolled me in the past
11:58 < nell> I wouldn't bother you if it wasn't this important..
11:58 < kanzure> dingo: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/python-cffi/6jhzaPn8E2A
11:58 < nell> since you didn't read the pm, I said I'd buy you dinner too.
12:00 < nell> if we can be successful in doing this one favor..
12:02 < nell> for the community at large
12:03 < nell> for the initiative and the movement, we need to plant this seed.
12:04 < heath> .seen fenn
12:04 < yoleaux> I saw fenn 20 Aug 2014 23:21Z in ##hplusroadmap: <fenn> plastic conduit/PVC pipe (none of the above)
12:06  * juri_ worries about fenn
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12:14 < jrayhawk_> i think the conclusion of that conversation is that we are all kanzure's pokemon
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12:14 < jrayhawk_> "11:51 < nell> I never said that" is pretty laffo, though
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12:18 < jrayhawk_> as if google doesn't exist
12:19 < nell> gtg now
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12:26 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZ5wJdLwfc
12:26 < yoleaux> Rogier & Stage van H - Morning Call // Abstract Space Records - YouTube
12:27 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loVGt6Qj9UY
12:27 < yoleaux> Rogier & Stage Van H - Spacedive (Original Mix) - Abstract Space Recordings - YouTube
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12:41 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/user4164800/progressive-disorder-010
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12:53 < kanzure> http://patshaughnessy.net/2014/10/13/following-a-select-statement-through-postgres-internals
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13:01 < archels> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFPSAwr72iM
13:02 < archels> (music)
13:17 < kanzure> Arvind Gupta <arvind.gupta@sosventures.com>
13:19 < drethelin> why are you putting that email in here
13:19 < kanzure> stalkety stalk
13:19 < kanzure> cathal disclosed it in public
13:20 < kanzure> he's been known to go back and delete his "public emails".. gotta remind him the internet don't work like that, yo.
13:21 < drethelin> rude
13:21 < kanzure> yeah!
13:21 < kanzure> he shouldn't get away wit hthat
13:21 < kanzure> *with that
13:21 < kanzure> makes the rest of us look crazy n' such
13:21 < kanzure> "well i'm pretty sure there are 1300 emails missing"
13:25 < kanzure> here is a dose of wtfjapan for the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3NMZAUKGw
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13:34 < justanotheruser> kanzure: actually sounds pretty good
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13:39 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20680459
13:39 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2Fs11064-010-0235-y
13:40 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23707903
13:40 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.ejphar.2013.05.002
13:40 < ebowden> \:D/
13:45 < kanzure> "consisting of Suzuka Nakamoto as "Su-metal", Yui Mizuno as "Yuimetal", and Moa Kikuchi as "Moametal""
13:45 < kanzure> hmm
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13:46 < kanzure> "both were just 10 years old at the time" might as well just have some fetuses dragging themselves around to the same music
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14:02 < archels> http://www.tricorderproject.org/blog/tag/openct/
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14:34 < heath> paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6886125&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fstamp%2Fstamp.jsp%3Ftp%26arnumber%3D6886125
14:34 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FMIC.2014.89
14:48 < heath> .title https://github.com/scalyr/cloud-costs
14:48 < yoleaux> scalyr/cloud-costs · GitHub
14:48 < heath> "Web-based tool for finding the cheapest cloud server for a given set of requirements"
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15:02 < kanzure> "This is an excellent point that is missed in most monitoring setups I've seen. A classic example is some request that kills your service process. You get paged for that so you wrap the service in a supervisor like daemon. The immediate issue is fixed and, typically, any future causes of the service process dying are hidden unless someone happens to be looking at the logs one day."
15:02 < kanzure> "The subcritical alerts I think of are more things like "Well, the database is _getting_ full, but it's not full yet." Or to borrow someone else's example, "we put in this daemon restarter when it was dying once a week; now it's dying every few minutes and we're only surviving because our proxy is masking the problem but soon it's going to take the whole site down.""
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15:11 < kanzure> eudoxia: hi
15:11 < eudoxia> hi kanzure
15:14 < kanzure> eudoxia: read http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/incentives/Rational%20protocol%20design:%20Cryptography%20against%20incentive-driven%20adversaries.pdf
15:16 < eudoxia> ok
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15:41 < heath> https://gitlab.brokenpipe.de/stettberger/avremu/tree/master avr emulator written in latex...
15:43 < eudoxia> i'm surprised it's only 10000 times slower
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16:36 < dingo> thanks kanzure, it is indeed a problem re: cffi required
16:37 < kanzure> hah don't thank me, i was just looking for a solution
16:37 < kanzure> one of my methods is to hide everything into a post-install step https://github.com/kanzure/python-brlcad/blob/master/setup.py
16:38 < kanzure> instead though i used a super-clever method of installing python3-cffi in requirements.apt prior to getting python dependencies :(
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16:59 < heath> Parallel and scalable computation and spatial dynamics with DNA-based chemical reaction networks on a surface.
16:59 < heath> "Abstract chemical reaction networks (CRNs) provide an all-encompassing formal language for modelling well-mixed chemical systems involving a finite number of species. Showing that arbitrary CRNs can in principle be implemented with DNA strand displacement cascades [*] was a major step toward proving the generality and universality of pure-DNA systems. "
16:59 < heath> "However, well-mixed systems are far less powerful than molecular systems that exploit spatial geometry to encode information combinatorially. While I know of no all-encompassing formal language for molecular machines with geometry, a very broad class of systems can be described as discrete chemical reaction networks wherein each molecule is localized on a surface at grid points, and asynchronous reactions mediate movement and state change."
16:59 < heath> "Here we suggest a pure-DNA implementation using a combination of 3-way and 4-way branch migration. "
17:00 < heath> http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/surface_CRNs_DNA20.pdf
17:00 < heath> new to me
17:09 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/surface_CRNs_DNA20.pdf
17:11 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/367f2facd452a3606b7e3cdb108948a7.pdf
17:11 < kanzure> .botsnack
17:11 < yoleaux> :D
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17:35 < andytoshi> hey, anyone registered for cryonics willing to chat a couple minutes about costs? i just got some life insurance quotes from a lawyer and think the plans he suggested might be overkill..
17:35 < andytoshi> in PM
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17:37 < kanzure> andytoshi: just email Max More <max@maxmore.com> asking for a time to call, he and alcor are all super nice.
17:37 < drethelin> antytoshi nothing wrong with a bit of overkill
17:37 < drethelin> helps protect against prices going up
17:37 < drethelin> plus you can always assign excess funds to otherthings
17:38 < andytoshi> kanzure: oh, wow, cool, i'll try that
17:38 < kanzure> also by call i mean email, they are into email too
17:38 < andytoshi> drethelin: sure, but i don't know a lot about this, i'm just going by the minimums quoted on alcor and cryonics institute site
17:38 < kanzure> i think their student plans are super cheap, can't remember the numbers
17:38 < kanzure> like $100/head-year or something
17:39 < andytoshi> o.O i might be a special case because i am an F1 foreigner..
17:39 < kanzure> "First family member: $590.00 annually or $300 semi-annually or $150.00 quarterly or $51 monthly."
17:39 < kanzure> "Full-time student aged 26 to 30: $465 annually or $234 semi-annually or $117 quarterly or $39 monthly."
17:39 < andytoshi> and that's to the company itself -- life insurance on top of that?
17:39 < andytoshi> oh, that's right, i'm younger than 26
17:39 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/BecomeMember/scheduleA.html
17:40 < kanzure> "$ 80,000.00 Neurocryopreservation ($25,000 to the Patient Care Trust, $30,000 for cryopreservation, $25,000.00 to the CMS Fund). "
17:40 < kanzure> membership dues are in addition to the insurance, i see. you're right.
17:40 < andytoshi> right, so all the plans this guy gave me were well over 80k (150, 200 and 250 were his suggestions). i don't want full body preservation bc i'm an organ donar
17:41 < kanzure> i don't know if they have successfully done organ donation plus neurocryopreservation
17:41 < drethelin> you can't be an organ donor and get cryo perserved
17:41 < kanzure> eudoxia would know. he has read all of their case reports.
17:41 < drethelin> at least not as of right now
17:41 < andytoshi> why not?
17:41 < andytoshi> weird
17:41 < kanzure> because they use your circulatory system to pump shit into your brain
17:41 < drethelin> because the hospital takes yourbody and uses it to keep organs alive
17:41 < andytoshi> oh, i see
17:41 < drethelin> yeah
17:41 < drethelin> that too
17:42 < andytoshi> ok, i'll have to think about it then. i kinda like my body
17:43 < kanzure> presumably you also like not being completely dead
17:43 < andytoshi> yes, i do enjoy that feeling..
17:43 < kanzure> such is life
17:43 < andytoshi> :P
17:43 < drethelin> if you can get repaired from being frozen you can get regrown
17:43 < andytoshi> yeah, that's my feeling, and i'd bet they could grow me better than i did myself..
17:43 < andytoshi> i was just doing random shit..
17:44 < kanzure> v2 needs heat sinks, and lasers
17:45 < kanzure> i think that most organ donation is a little annoying
17:45 < kanzure> if people truly cared about organs like that then they would focus on keeping organs alive over long time periods
17:45 < kanzure> at the moment they just throw 'em away after a few days because they dunno how to keep them living yet
17:46 < andytoshi> weird, not obvious that that is a hard problem..
17:47 < kanzure> well it depends on your definition of hard
17:47 < drethelin> well they are working on organ growth
17:47 < drethelin> part of the problem is they don't have the supply to PRACTICE keepign them alive in a controlled setting
17:47 < drethelin> at least for human organs
17:47 < kanzure> a solution is going to approximately look like "here is a perfusion chamber, here are the reagents and chemicals to pump into it, and here's the in-line measurement stuff"
17:47 < kanzure> keeping animal organs alive is almost identical to keeping human organs alive
17:48 < kanzure> (in many of the ways that matter)
17:48 < kanzure> like, oh noes, you have to change the temperature by 0.1 celsius for the human version. psssh.
17:48 < drethelin> yeah probably true
17:48 < drethelin> hmm
17:48 < drethelin> the people who are growing organs on substrate seem to be keeping them alive
17:48 < kanzure> i want to make a modular set of interconnectable perfusion chambers
17:48 < kanzure> those are mostly tissue cultures so far
17:50 < kanzure> imagine being able to just switch out organ-based perfusion chambers with non-organ versions
17:50 < kanzure> in the same way that bypass surgery happens
17:50 < kanzure> except for all the other useful organs
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18:11 < kanzure> "An elevator serving 50 stories should count more than one stopping at only 10 stories. A better measure would be total elevator stops but as usual you are stuck with the available data - especially difficult to overcome with mult-country data like this."
18:11 < kanzure> "The solution would be to count meters of elevator per person."
18:12 < andytoshi> so my school has a life insurance policy on me so they can ship me home ... i sent them an email asking if i can waive the policy if i have my own insurance and don't want to be shipped home
18:12 < andytoshi> i suspect they are not asked that very often..
18:15 < kanzure> there might be an alcor chapter at your school that you could interrogate
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18:18 < andytoshi> doesn't look like it
18:18 < andytoshi> s'fine, iirc i didn't sign anything giving them possession of my body so if i sign something saying they can't have it, it should be sufficient
18:19 < andytoshi> the money is like $20/year or something totally negligible, i just don't want them interfering
18:25 < kanzure> hehe peter thiel making silly (wrong) comments about bitcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjmCOc949I
18:26 < kanzure> andytoshi: not to strike fear into you or anything, but there are various stories about needing a friend around to fend off everyone who wants to dispose of your body through traditional means..
18:26 < andytoshi> ok, i've got friends in austin
18:26 < andytoshi> i trust i can call you from my deathbed? ;)
18:27 < kanzure> sure why not
18:27 < andytoshi> excellent
18:28 < kanzure> i might even bring my own cryoprotectants from home
18:29 < andytoshi> hmm, maybe i shouldn't be paying alcor all this money
18:29 < andytoshi> i'm sure there's no legal problem with you having bodies in your basement?
18:29 < kanzure> give your money to eugen leitl, i'm sure he would be happy to arrange something
18:29 < kanzure> although he's been focusing on snails lately....
18:29 < kanzure> hm.
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18:30 < kanzure> address:        Vodafone building
18:30 < kanzure> address:        Smart Village, Cairo-Alex desert road KM28
18:30 < kanzure> address:        6th of October City
18:31 < kanzure> really?
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18:47 < kanzure> hahah http://cointelegraph.com/news/112725/bitnation-core-dev-team-resigns-speaks-out-before-crowdsale
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19:11 < kanzure> $8k/genome https://www.genebygene.com/pages/research
19:11 < kanzure> $1k/exome
19:12 < kanzure> "Sequencing a complete human mitochondrion from a cheek swab runs about $300, fully assembled."
19:12 < kanzure> "An actual complete genome, fully sequenced and assembled, runs ~120K" what? still?
19:12 < kanzure> they might be selling the assembly part, but that's still hilariously overpriced for the amount of computation needed
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19:28 < heath> thiel: "you haven't gotten the payment system to work"
19:28 < heath> payments work...
19:29 < kanzure> :)
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19:31 < heath> i almost want to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he's talking about multiparty
19:31 < kanzure> when you are worth 800 billion dollars you don't have to be right
19:31 < kanzure> reality operates differently
19:32 < drethelin> are there bitcoin payment systems that work the same way as eg, credit cards online do?
19:32 < drethelin> last I checked there isn't any system other than "send money to this address"
19:33 < drethelin> which is like, yeah you can send payments but it's not a payment system
19:33 < kanzure> there are even bitcoin debit cards now
19:33 < kanzure> https://coinkite.com/
19:33 < kanzure> https://xapo.com/
19:33 < kanzure> https://www.joinsnapcard.com/
19:33 < kanzure> https://bitplastic.com
19:33 < kanzure> https://anxbtc.com/
19:34 < kanzure> wait, not anxbtc
19:34 < kanzure> oh. yes.
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19:40 < kanzure> also, https://coinbase.com/ does paypal's "send money over email" gag
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19:56 < nell> kanzure_
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19:56 < nell> I just wanna let you know that I am skipping over Rothblatt and going right to Itskov :)
19:58 < kanzure_> "The Montgolfier’s were well aware—like most of the human race for thousands or even tens of thousands of years before them—that smoke rises from a fire. They concluded, incorrectly, that there was a special gas in the smoke that caused it to rise. Without any experimental evidence of its existence, they proudly named it Montgolfier Gas, claiming it contained a special property which they called levité."
19:58 < kanzure_> "Subsequently they proceeded to contrive a means to contain it, using (of course) the product that they manufactured: paper. They applied their paper to the inside of a large bag made of cloth; and, in an additional effort to contain their trade-marked special secret gas, they also went to great lengths to ensure that the fires they used to fill their gas bags were dark and sooty—the better to coat the paper and keep their special secret ...
19:58 < kanzure_> ... gas contained."
19:58 < kanzure_> "Professor Charles, on the other hand, already knew that hydrogen was lighter than air, and he how to produce it.... The Robert brothers quickly came up with a solution to Charles’ problem. In amazingly short order, they delivered an impermeable fabric coated with latex rubber—a process they had developed as part of their secret, high-tech, black market manufacture of condoms—then very much illegal in devout 18th-century Catholic France."
19:58 < drethelin> badass science history
19:59 < kanzure_> from http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/05/27/helium-hokum-why-airships-will-never-be-part-of-our-transportation-infrastructure/
20:02 < drethelin> nooooooooooooooooooo
20:02 < drethelin> actually I'm not suprrised
20:02 < drethelin> airships aren't an infrastructure thing
20:02 < drethelin> they're a luxury thing
20:03 < drethelin> might as well say yachts will never be part of the infrastructure
20:03 < kanzure_> not sure if you mean the same type of airship
20:03 < drethelin> I'm still gonna keep holding for my own self-driving google manufactured airship
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20:05 < drethelin> I mean like a blimp
20:06 < kanzure_> well blimps certainly work
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20:06 < drethelin> they work, just not as infrastructure
20:08 < drethelin> though it's distantly possible they could replace greyhounds or some other fairly slow city to city transports?
20:08 < kanzure_> catapults.
20:08 < drethelin> meow
20:09 < kanzure_> "In January 2011, PopSci.com, the news blog version of Popular Science magazine, reported that a group of smugglers used a homemade catapult to deliver marijuana into the United States from Mexico. The machine was found 20 feet from the border fence with 4.4 pounds (2.0 kg) bales of marijuana ready to launch.[34]"
20:10 < kanzure_> a rapid assembly/disassembly catapult would work pretty well for those purposes
20:13 < drethelin> maybe the drug war is good for SOMETHING
20:13 < drethelin> catapult innovation
20:14 < drethelin> plus submarines and whatnot
20:14 < kanzure_> that too
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21:09 < kanzure_> heh ebolacare
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22:03 < kanzure_> this is disgusting: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/our-best-bet-for-colonizing-space-may-be-printing-humans-on-other-planets/
22:04 < kanzure_> in this news article they are claiming that george church came up with the idea of sending only a genome instead of a full person
22:04 < kanzure_> that's a really dumb attribution option.
22:05 < kanzure_> "we have no clue how to safely travel to Mar"
22:05 < kanzure_> why did i chose to look at a vice.com page? that's my bad.
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