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--- Day changed Wed Oct 29 2014
00:00 < nmz787> $366
00:00 < kanzure> genehacker: verbnurbs is a good cad kernel and needs to go in the direction of cadquery
00:01 < nmz787> '60mL Jellyfish Food $26 —  Contains approximately 1/2 ounce, enough food to feed 3 - 5 Moon Jellyfish for up to 6 months.'
00:01 < genehacker> but it's javascript
00:01 < nmz787> isn't verbnurbs only NURBS though?
00:01 < kanzure> i have a python implementation that i can show you
00:01 < fenn> Lemminkainen: i've had rudy rucker over to my house, but never read any of his books :\
00:01  * kanzure sleeps
00:02 < genehacker> what about c++?
00:03 < nmz787> gorillas.bas needs ported to flask or something
00:03 < Lemminkainen> fenn how much of Rudy came in and how much was elsewhere?
00:03 < nmz787> for online multiplayer
00:04 < fenn> lemminkainen the whole thing was quite confusing, possibly intentionally
00:06 < Lemminkainen> sounds about right
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02:05 < fenn> .title https://www.flickr.com/photos/a_semenov/6895799446/sizes/o/
02:05 < yoleaux> All sizes | Hyperia kid on the Baloon | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
02:06 < fenn> hyperia galba in its jellyfish house
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05:03 < irctc662> blob
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06:19 < kanzure> writing it in c++ is the wrong thing to do
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08:00 < kanzure> http://thing-described-by.org/
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08:21 < kanzure> win 9
08:21 < kanzure> failure
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08:28 < kanzure> https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2014/10/28/r7-2014-15-gnu-wget-ftp-symlink-arbitrary-filesystem-access
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09:43 < kanzure> beep boop
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10:14 < drethelin> boop beep
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10:35 < kanzure> you took the words right out of my mouth
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13:05  * heath needs a wireless router...
13:05 < heath> .title http://rooter.is/
13:05 < yoleaux> rooter: an open hardware wireless router
13:06 < nmz787_i1> ubiquity
13:06 < heath> ""  This project has been stalled/mothballed since Summer 2013 due to lack of resources
13:06 < heath> "
13:08 < nmz787_i1> heath: http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/
13:08 < kanzure> wake me up when they have an open source wifi chip
13:09 < nmz787_i1> heath: with this AP http://ubnt.com/unifi
13:10 < kanzure> fenn: arguably one of the other huge problems with opencascade is that many of their tests are not public,
13:10 < kanzure> fenn: so it's basically impossible to improve opencascade without figuring out your own tests for all the existing code
13:11 < heath> .title https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mossmann/hackrf-an-open-source-sdr-platform
13:11 < yoleaux> HackRF, an open source SDR platform by Michael Ossmann — Kickstarter
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13:14 < heath> .title http://mightyohm.com/blog/2008/10/building-a-wifi-radio-part-1-introduction/
13:14 < yoleaux> MightyOhm » Blog Archive » Building a Wifi Radio – Part 1, Introduction
13:14 < heath> .title http://mightyohm.com/blog/2009/05/building-a-wifi-radio-part-10-building-the-box/
13:14 < yoleaux> MightyOhm » Blog Archive » Building a Wifi Radio – Part 10, Building the Box
13:20 < nmz787_i1> mossman seemed like a cool guy, lots of folks here know him i guess
13:21 < nmz787_i1> I like the processor family the hackRF uses
13:24 < chris_99> you couldn't do wifi with hackrf though?
13:25 < nmz787_i1> you could sniff it, it doesn't transmit
13:26 < chris_99> mmm
13:26 < nmz787_i1> and it wouldn't seem to fit under kanzures 'wake me up when they have an open source wifi chip' since it itself uses many chips
13:26 < chris_99> mm, theres no OSS FPGAs
13:27 < nmz787_i1> OSS being opensourcesoftware?
13:27 < nmz787_i1> if so, there are probably open FPGA simulators
13:27 < chris_99> well yeah theres no tools that generate bin files afaik
13:28 < chris_99> for modern FPGAs at least
13:28 < nmz787_i1> vhdl nor verilog is open?
13:28 < heath> nmz787_i1: those look nice, thanks for the recommendation
13:28 < chris_99> bin files are proprietry
13:28 < heath> i don't think i want to pay that kind of money for a router right now
13:28 < kanzure> raft http://raftconsensus.github.io/
13:28 < nmz787_i1> heath: yeah that's why i suffer with lugging a usb3 drive around my house for entertainment
13:29 < heath> kanzure: there was a nice animation explaining raft...
13:29 < kanzure> browsers, prng and javascript http://matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/
13:30 < heath> kanzure: http://thesecretlivesofdata.com/raft/
13:30 < heath> .title
13:30 < yoleaux> Raft
13:30 < heath> bah
13:36 < kanzure> http://www.andreagrandi.it/2014/10/25/automatically-pull-updated-docker-images-and-restart-containers-with-docker-puller/
13:36 < kanzure> "Every time docker.io finishes building and pushing your image to the docker registry, it will POST on that URL. docker-puller will catch the POST, check for a valid token, get the hook name and will execute the relative script."
13:37 < kanzure> http://dantehranian.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/building-docker-images-within-docker-containers-via-jenkins/
13:37 < kanzure> oh wait i've met this dude
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13:52 < nmz787_i1> I wonder why soundclound sucks so much on my work machine
13:52 < nmz787_i1> like, it doesn't play the first time you click play
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14:10 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZq0JNJHrEs
14:10 < yoleaux> How to Use Bitcoin to Design Fair Protocols - YouTube
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14:21 < heath> .title https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/megabots/megabots-live-action-giant-robot-combat
14:21 < yoleaux> MegaBots: Live-Action Giant Robot Combat by MegaBots, Inc. — Kickstarter
14:26 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5161
14:26 < yoleaux> Do not use third party services for IP detection. by gmaxwell · Pull Request #5161 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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16:20 < nmz787_i1> http://potrace.sourceforge.net/ 'Potrace - Transforming bitmaps into vector graphics'
16:23 < chris_99> i want the rotoscoper they used for a scanner darkly
16:24 < chris_99> http://www.flatblackfilms.com/Flat_Black_Films/Rotoshop.html
16:25 < chris_99> oh it doesn't work how i thought it did though
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16:51 < chris_99> i just ordered some of these - http://www.anadigm.com/_doc/DS231000-U001.pdf may be of interest to some peeps
16:51 < chris_99> (FPAA)
16:56 < nmz787_i1> have you compared that to the cypress psoc?
16:57 < nmz787_i1> 'programmable analog, opamp, comparator, voltage ref, TIA, PGA, INA, DAC, Analog Filters, SAR ADC, Delta Sigma ADC, Modulator and many more'
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17:11 < chris_99> cypress psocs are digital no?
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17:24 < nmz787> chris_99: with lots of analog
17:24 < nmz787> what you posted looks like it lacks a processor/mcu
17:25 < nmz787> whereas the psoc have one included
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17:38 < chris_99> nmz787, sorry about that, so it looks like the psocs have an analog --> digital
17:38 < chris_99> frontend
17:38 < chris_99> ?
17:41 < chris_99> the FPAA is different in that it has an analog input & out, and does the processing entirely through analog
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18:01 < fenn> For the low, low price of $999,999.99
18:01 < fenn> considering how much real military hardware costs, it's a steal
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18:20 < fenn> chris_99: what are you using the FPAA for?
18:20 < chris_99> guitar fx pedal to start with
18:21 < fenn> sweet, now you can play rad jams at up to 2MHz
18:21 < chris_99> heh
18:22 < fenn> that's not very high frequency for an analog device
18:23 < chris_99> i imagine you can get more sophisticated ones
18:23 < fenn> i'm just reading the product line page
18:24 < fenn> how do you program them?
18:24 < chris_99> theres a graphical tool, that i believe generates code, and theres also some examples for PIC MCUs
18:24 < fenn> do you have to use the "easy-to-use drag-and-drop interface AnadigmDesigner®2 EDA software"
18:24 < chris_99> no
18:25 < chris_99> http://www.anadigm.com/sup_AppNotelib.asp
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18:32 < fenn> i always wondered how digital resistors worked... (apparently they rapidly switch capacitors between Vcc/GND and the signal)
18:37 < fenn> theory of how fpaa works: http://www.anadigm.com/_apps/BasicSC-tech.pdf
18:38 < chris_99> nice
18:38 < chris_99> hadn't seen that
18:39 < fenn> it also sort of explains why the bandwidth is so low, since the whole circuit is basically being simulated by rapidly flipping switches up and down
18:39 < chris_99> mmm
18:41 < justanotheruser> kanzure: what percentage of science does paperbot have?
18:42 < fenn> it's currently broken, so 0%
18:43 < fenn> we get a biased view because most people want to read from a small set of high impact journals
18:43 < justanotheruser> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc334765/
18:44 < fenn> considering there are 20k+ established journals and probably 200k upstarts, it would take a significant effort just to catalog all the journals
18:44 < justanotheruser> is there a directory of all journals?
18:45 < fenn> ISI web of knowledge is probably the closest you're going to find
18:46 < justanotheruser> I wonder if my university would get mad if I downloaded every article I could from there.
18:46 < fenn> yes
18:47 < fenn> but web of knowledge is just a citation database; it doesn't contain any articles
18:47 < justanotheruser> but I assume it would be easy to find the actual article from a journal I have access to using these citations
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18:48 < chris_99> fenn, you need academic access, to use web of knowldege?
18:49 < fenn> yes there is usually a link to a the individual journal's page for the paper
18:49 < fenn> and apparently it's subscription-only, i think it used to be free to use
18:49 < chris_99> i mean even to use the site itself
18:50 < justanotheruser> I wonder how much access to every journal would cost
18:52 < fenn> they're sold as bundles so it's not additive
18:52 < fenn> like cable tv
18:52 < fenn> also it's different for every library since the negotiations are secret
18:53 < justanotheruser> well that sucks
18:53 < justanotheruser> the authors make no money in the majority of the cases right?
18:53 < fenn> the authors pay to get published in the journal usually
18:53 < fenn> and then they pay again to read it
18:53 < chris_99> i don't suppose web of knowledge somewhere has a download for the whole DB
18:54 < chris_99> of citations
18:54 < fenn> chris_99: that would totally destroy their business model
18:54 < chris_99> heh true
18:54 < fenn> also this fact has called into doubt the scientific reproducibility of "impact factor" scores
18:54 < justanotheruser> fenn: so the reason they publish to an expensive, non-PD journal is because more people will see it?
18:54 < fenn> because nobody has access to the data required to calculate impact factors
18:54 < chris_99> ah interesting
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18:55 < fenn> justanotheruser: there are a lot of reasons, uh.. let me see if i can find something enumerating them
18:58 < fenn> it's sort of like why people use microsoft products i guess
18:59 < justanotheruser> fenn: microsoft products help you accomplish a task
18:59 < justanotheruser> what is the task these guys are trying to accomplish?
18:59 < fenn> they get people to read your paper
18:59 < justanotheruser> why wouldn't an author publish to a small PD
18:59 < justanotheruser> journal
18:59 < justanotheruser> okay, so it is "because more people will see it"
19:00 < fenn> they act as gatekeepers, to filter out less important papers
19:00 < justanotheruser> hmm
19:00 < fenn> small obscure journals usually have less important results and not as well executed experiments (or at least that's the prevailing attitude)
19:00 < justanotheruser> seems a journal *should* act as a honesty filter rather than an importance filter
19:01 < fenn> the journals don't act as honesty filters, they delegate that back to the academics as "peer review"
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19:01 < justanotheruser> So the costs of running a journal are: making sure the experiments are good, making sure it is peer reviewed, making sure the english is correct, distribution?
19:01 < justanotheruser> well honesty means questioning the legitemacy of the peer review
19:02 < fenn> they also do proofreading and editorials, but yeah that's about it
19:03 < justanotheruser> why can't someone just self publish and include a proof of peer reviewing?
19:03 < fenn> people self-publish all the time, but then you have to ensure that your paper is available for millions of years and everywhere
19:04 < fenn> most of these concepts date back to the age of dead trees, when "self publish" didnt mean the same thing as it does today
19:04 < justanotheruser> so why couldn't someone make a journal with minimal importance verification?
19:04 < justanotheruser> basically I'm asking how viable a general PD journal site would be?
19:05 < fenn> well... the whole open access thing has taken off and lots of people are making "journals" for reasons ranging from indignation to idealism to outright fraud and exploitation
19:06 < fenn> but given that the established journals are already outright exploitative, it would be hard not to make an improvement
19:06 < fenn> so you might have heard of plosone.org
19:06 < fenn> it's basically what you just said, "why couldnt someone just make a journal"
19:07 < fenn> and there is a lot of momentum around it because it was one of the first
19:07 < justanotheruser> fenn: these journals are basically all for profit?
19:07 < fenn> which
19:07 < justanotheruser> fenn: the "20k+" established
19:08 < fenn> lol "locomotion in extinct giant kangaroos" http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0109888.strk&representation=PNG_M
19:09 < fenn> justanotheruser: those journals were all that existed for the majority of science, and the prices have been going up steadily for many decades. it's only after the internet dropped the cost of publishing to near zero that people started questioning the costs involved
19:10 < kanzure> i wonder if academic textbooks were overpriced even in the 1800s.
19:11 < fenn> all books were expensive in the 1800s
19:11 < fenn> hell, books are still overpriced
19:12 < fenn> cost of manufacturing and distribution is like $3 but they sell them for $20
19:12 < justanotheruser> $20
19:12 < justanotheruser> lol
19:12 < justanotheruser> I'm in college and my cheapest books are around there. Most expensive are around $100
19:12 < fenn> yeah textbooks are a real scam
19:13 < fenn> you used to be able to buy used textbooks from previous years; now publishers collude with professors to require a new book every year
19:13 < fenn> they just switch the problem numbers around
19:14 < fenn> kanzure do you know of a list of "reasons academics publish in closed journals"?
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19:15 < justanotheruser> fenn: I proposed (to one of my professors funny enough) charging a % of the textbook to the department.
19:18 < fenn> well they end up paying for it anyway with scholarships
19:18 < kanzure> fenn: check -wizards backlog
19:18 < kanzure> somewhat recent backlog
19:19 < kanzure> fenn, the primary reason why academics publish in those journals is prestige, career, citation counts, readership levels, funding, and ranking
19:20 < fenn> does a citation in a big journal count more than a citation in a little journal?
19:23 < kanzure> hell yes
19:23 < fenn> justanotheruser: not the best list but meh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_journal_publishing_reform#Motivations_against_reform
19:24 < kanzure> i have a list of known journals somewhere.
19:24 < kanzure> elsevier alone is like 7000 journals
19:24 < kanzure> and springer is at least 3000
19:24 < kanzure> typical long tail, yadda yadda
19:24 < kanzure> seen it once seen it a million times
19:24 < justanotheruser> kanzure: don't you think getting all these articles is a much bigger problem than hosting them?
19:24 < kanzure> no
19:24 < kanzure> hosting them is also not a big deal
19:24 < kanzure> anyone can buy 40 TB of storage or whatever
19:24 < justanotheruser> if it's not a big deal, it shouldn't be hard to do :)
19:25 < kanzure> the physical storage is not the bottleneck
19:25 < justanotheruser> Just pay some (dutch?) guy to host them for you
19:25 < kanzure> uh...
19:25 < kanzure> yeah that is a bad plan
19:25 < fenn> the publishers are surprisingly unsophisticated in terms of detecting/blocking bulk downloading
19:25 < justanotheruser> kanzure: holland bad for piracy?
19:25 < kanzure> you don't need to do bulk downloading like that anyway
19:25 < kanzure> and if you do, they can detect it eventually anyway
19:25 < kanzure> so you need to be careful about bulk downloading
19:25 < kanzure> and also you need to not recommend that people just run wget -m or something
19:26 < justanotheruser> yeah, thats how swartz got in trouble iirc
19:26 < fenn> is it?
19:26 < justanotheruser> did swartz know gmaxwell or something
19:26 < kanzure> justanotheruser: so you have a single person hosting it... now what. when they take him out, you're back to square one.
19:26 < justanotheruser> " Internet activist Aaron Swartz used MIT's data network to bulk-download a substantial portion of JSTOR's collection of academic"
19:26 < kanzure> that's not particularly why aaronsw got in trouble
19:26 < justanotheruser> kanzure: of course you could copy the db and distribute it
19:27 < justanotheruser> and then others could open similar websites
19:27 < kanzure> you understand like zero nuancy this is really frustrating
19:27 < kanzure> distributing it is entirely the problem
19:27 < justanotheruser> sorry, lets not discuss this with me then
19:27 < kanzure> you can't just host it on a public server in your name without getting caught
19:27 < kanzure> that is a very very bad idea
19:27 < kanzure> you can't be a single point of failure for the entire system
19:28 < kanzure> you're asking a $7 billion dollar weapons manufacturer to start a legal fight
19:28 < kanzure> that is the dumbest plan i've heard in a while
19:28 < justanotheruser> kanzure: I don't think a single point of failure would be a problem if you had this db
19:28 < justanotheruser> in that, there would be more than a single point
19:28 < kanzure> who would be providing access to this db then?
19:29 < justanotheruser> kanzure: multiple people hosting websites presumably
19:29 < kanzure> ...?
19:29 < kanzure> you should read the wizards backlog
19:29 < justanotheruser> where you were discussing a distributed version?
19:29 < kanzure> er...... yes....
19:30 < kanzure> it was like ten minutes ago
19:30 < justanotheruser> I know. I was just wondering if thats what you were referring to.
19:30 < kanzure> i was out to dinner with andytoshi and we decided to fix things
19:30 < justanotheruser> kanzure: in the US?
19:30 < kanzure> it is a very bad idea to concentrate all of the legal risk in a single entity
19:30 < kanzure> a traditional database has the property of doing just that
19:31 < fenn> "At the time of Aaron’s actions, the JSTOR website allowed an unlimited number of downloads by anybody on MIT’s 18.x Class-A network. The JSTOR application lacked even the most basic controls to prevent what they might consider abusive behavior, such as CAPTCHAs triggered on multiple downloads, requiring accounts for bulk downloads, or even the ability to pop a box and warn a repeat
19:31 < kanzure> and also, you can't rely on altruism
19:31 < fenn> downloader."
19:31 < kanzure> fenn, yeah so the reason that mit got particularly concerned at first was because of the mac address spoofing
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19:31 < fenn> having nothing to do with the download in particular
19:32 < justanotheruser> kanzure: you will always have to rely on some altruism I think
19:34 < kanzure> well, read the backlog in wizards.
19:34 < justanotheruser> I have
19:34 < kanzure> then i don't know how to help you
19:34 < kanzure> hrm.
19:34 < justanotheruser> is there something incorrect in my statement?
19:35 < kanzure> your statement is way too strong ("you must have a system of centralized databases supported entirely by altruism")
19:35 < justanotheruser> I didn't claim that
19:35 < justanotheruser> That may be one solution
19:36 < justanotheruser> but not a "must"
19:36 < fenn> wtf "I have 40TB of storage sitting idle"
19:36 < justanotheruser> depends if there is a country someone can be free to host this stuff in
19:36 < fenn> hay guyz do u needz to borrow my UFO
19:36 < fenn> wanna buzz mars or somthin
19:36 < justanotheruser> anyways, I don't see how well a trustless system would work
19:37 < justanotheruser> you can prove you are hosting something, but you can't prove you are allowing people to download.
19:37 < justanotheruser> It is much less risky to have some journal you shouldn't have and not give it to someone
19:37 < fenn> hosting == allowing downloads
19:37 < kanzure> could we do this in wizards instead
19:37 < kanzure> because zooko is there and others
19:38 < justanotheruser> kanzure: ok
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21:04 < kanzure> hehehe "recently announced order of 160,000 Hazmat suits by the US State Department"
21:05 < kanzure> "Lakeland.... announced that it has, by now, received 1 million Hazmat suit orders and rising exponentially"
21:05 < justanotheruser> wat
21:05 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: man, if only i was more confident about my beliefs about hazmats suits a few years ago
21:05 < kanzure> *hazmat
21:07 < fenn> ebola
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21:34 < kanzure> fenn: i didn't mean to be rude
21:34 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are those 1m Hazmat suits mostly people unnecessarily scared?
21:35 < kanzure> no idea
21:35 < kanzure> personally i think hazmat suits are a good concept
21:35 < justanotheruser> 1 ebola patient probably doesn't need >100 hazmat suits
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21:36 < fenn> i feel like my IQ has gone down over the past 6 months
21:37 < fenn> also, cryptography is fucking hard and people spend a lifetime studying it and getting nowhere
21:37 < kanzure> heh, i dunno if cryptography will solve the sorts of problems that you are needing solved
21:38 < fenn> probably not, and that's why i haven't studied it
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21:38 < justanotheruser> kanzoracle: research paper or self-percieved intelligence while learning something new?
21:38 < justanotheruser> vs while not learning
21:38 < kanzure> gwern would be better for that one
21:39 < justanotheruser> gwern comes here?
21:39 < kanzure> nah
21:39 < kanzure> #lesswrong
21:40 < justanotheruser> he's autistic?
21:40 < fenn> when deciding on spaced repetition (graduated interval forced recall) memorization schedules, it turns out that people prefer "easier" schedules because it feels good to get right answers, but maximum performance is obtained with "hard" schedules that tend to discourage people from continuing with the schedule
21:40 < kanzure> who knows
21:40 < justanotheruser> wait, thats wrongplanet
21:40 < justanotheruser> nvm
21:40 < fenn> i've seen gwern in here a couple times
21:51 < nmz787> chri
21:55 < nmz787> fenn: do you know if the psoc have the same oscillator-based analog blocks?
21:56 < fenn> i dont know what psoc is
21:56 < nmz787> seems so, at least for psoc 1
21:56 < nmz787> by cypress
21:57 < nmz787> http://www.cypress.com/?docID=49508
21:57 < nmz787> Understanding PSoC®
21:57 < nmz787> 1 Switched Capacitor Analog Blocks
21:57 < nmz787> but there is also psoc 3 and 5lp
21:58 < nmz787> so i wonder if they have other tech
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21:58 < nmz787> 'In 2002, Cypress began shipping commercial quantities of the PSoC 1.'
21:59 < nmz787> from .wik psoc
21:59 < nmz787> .wik psoc
21:59 < yoleaux> "PSoC (Programmable System-on-Chip) is a family of microcontroller integrated circuits by Cypress Semiconductor. These chips include a CPU core and mixed-signal arrays of configurable integrated analog and digital peripherals." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSoC
22:01 < fenn> wow psoc 3 runs on 0.5V
22:15 < fenn> "PISD – post-internet stress disorder"
22:16 < fenn> hey man wanna get PISD
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22:38 < nmz787> whole new meaning "I'm PISD off'
22:38 < nmz787> chris_99: seems the psocs also use the oscillator-based analog stuff
22:39 < nmz787> so it seems like it would have some modulation noise
22:39 < nmz787> :/
22:39 < nmz787> idk
22:39 < justanotheruser> fenn: is PISD a thing?
22:39 < chris_99> they don't have a full analog processing stream though, nmz787 ?
22:40 < nmz787> i know they have some kind of analog routing network that is configurable
22:40 < nmz787> but in those or the one you posted, since they're using oscillators and stuff, I wonder if there's actually noise introduced
22:41 < nmz787> i.e. maybe you really /do/ want a tube pedal
22:41 < fenn> justanotheruser: just a funny acronym in some bitcoin article
22:42 < justanotheruser> sounds more like something from tumblr
22:42 < fenn> as to whether it's an existing phenomenon or not, i'd say there's a good argument to be made
22:42 < nmz787> or like, what's the diff between that and using a high-precision DAC, and accompanying ADC, and then have some fast signal processing on the inside... I wonder the performance difference
22:45 < fenn> context is "reason people flock to bitcoin in waves" ... "people are learning about Bitcoin and coming to the realization that bitcoins are indeed the best money. Possible overlapping motives:
22:45 < fenn> ADHD – compulsive novelty fetichism induced by our post-war consumer culture and/or innate biological processes
22:45 < fenn> FOMO – fear of missing out, see Regret Theory and ingroups, aka avarice and status-seeking
22:45 < fenn> PISD – post-internet stress disorder, aka "disruption", "next big thing", "internet of money"
22:46 < fenn> internet is probably more stressful on people than, say, television
22:46 < fenn> but not because of startups or technology disruption
23:00 < chris_99> it seems theres a non-switched version nmz787
23:00 < chris_99> although i can't see anyone who makes them
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23:49 < fenn> jeepers that's a steep curve http://bitcoin.sipa.be/   looks like about a 3 month doubling time for hash rate
23:49 < justanotheruser> fenn: more interesting http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-small.png
23:50 < fenn> yeah i dont know what that means
23:50 < justanotheruser> fenn: it is the 2nd derivative of hashrate
23:50 < justanotheruser> its more like 140 days with 0.5% daily increase
23:51 < justanotheruser> I doubt it will quadruple in the next year
23:52 < fenn> is hashrate growth inversely proportional to liquidity?
23:52 < justanotheruser> hashrate grows proportionally to price * technology
23:52 < fenn> if people cant buy bitcoins they invest in mining hardware
23:52 < justanotheruser> technology = hash/$
23:52 < justanotheruser> no
23:53 < justanotheruser> mining is an equilibrium
23:53 < justanotheruser> it is very close to costing 1btc/btc to generate
23:53 < justanotheruser> bitcoins are probably easier to get that mining equipment anyways
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23:56 < justanotheruser> the hashrate is falling recently because of price decrease, but it seems to be still growing rapidly if you ignore the price
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23:56 < fenn> do i have to compile this in order to read it? https://github.com/citp/bitcoin-sok
23:56 < justanotheruser> https://i.imgur.com/9aEbagl.png
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