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00:00 < nmz787> the charges are on different locations
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00:00 < kragen> anyway, I think subcritical liquid CO₂ should work fine
00:00 < nmz787> and of different strengths
00:02 < kragen> no, polar bonds really do form very differently from hydrogen bonds :)
00:02 < kragen> oh speaking of solvents
00:03 < kragen> can you use dimethyl sulfoxide to take in lipids through your skin?  enough to keep you alive for a while?
00:06 < kragen> apparently it gets to be neurotoxic at over 0.3mℓ/kg, which is to say, I should be able to take 30mℓ of it before I start to suffer ill effects; but I don't know how much lipids that could transport through my skin, or how long the pharmacokinetic half-life of DMSO is
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00:07 < nmz787> they sell it for that, yea
00:07 < kragen> but I should be able to survive on about 100-250mℓ of lipids a day until I start to get kwashiorkor
00:08 < nmz787> (they used to sell it at the food co-op i went to odd enough)
00:08 < kragen> yeah, it's an alternative medicine
00:08 < nmz787> and i was talking about ionic vs polar bonds
00:09 < kragen> oh
00:09 < kragen> well, I don't think CO₂ is going to participate in ionic or polar bonds
00:09 < kragen> and lipids aren't very good at doing that either
00:09 < nmz787> erhmm, eh, nevermind
00:10 < nmz787> i am confused :P
00:10 < nmz787> i meant non-polar
00:10 < nmz787> but was thinking you meant van-der-waals when you said hydrogen
00:10 < nmz787> anyway, it seems like it's all just the vector strength of the field
00:10 < kragen> aren't nonpolar liquids kept from boiling by van der waals hydrogen bonding?
00:11 < nmz787> probably
00:11 < nmz787> sounds about right
00:11 < nmz787> maybe something with conductivity of phonons (heat) vs vapor pressure
00:12 < nmz787> idk
00:12 < kragen> "15 percent DMSO will easily penetrate the bladder"
00:12 < nmz787> i need to go to sleep though!
00:13 < kragen> "I have used as much as 30 ml IV over a couple of hours"
00:16 < nmz787> .wik hybridoma
00:16 < yoleaux> "Hybridoma technology is a technology of forming hybrid cell lines (called hybridomas) by fusing an antibody-producing B cell with a myeloma (B cell cancer) cell that is selected for its ability to grow in tissue culture and for an absence of antibody chain synthesis." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridoma
00:16 < nmz787> I think we used DMSO to meld cells together to make those ^
00:17 < kragen> "some of these patients had received as much as 3 g/kg per day"
00:17 < nmz787> huh, this has a dir listing, with issues dating to 1949 http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/
00:17 < kragen> 3g/kg would probably be enough to carry enough lipids through my skin to satisfy my normal energy needs
00:17 < kragen> wget -r!
00:18 < kragen> they're only a meg each
00:18 < nmz787> "Permission to copy without fee all or part of this publication is hereby granted provided that 1)the copies are not made, used, displayed, or distributed for commercial advantage; 2) the Hewlett-Packard Company copyright notice and the title of the publication and date appear on the copies; and 3) a notice appears stating that the copying is by permission of the Hewlett-Packard Company."
00:18 < nmz787> sounds good to me!
00:19 < nmz787> this even has some lookup tables http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/
00:20  * nmz787 sleeps
00:20 < kragen> that's fantastic!
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06:11 < archels> does anyone know a good writeup of the GJK algorithm, and solutions for finding the supporting vectors on common shapes (box, sphere, cone etc.)?
06:11 < kanzure> too bad that these guys don't have a custom api https://www.flexport.com/
06:13 < kanzure> i don't know a good writeup for that, sorry
06:18 < archels> 'sokay
06:18 < archels> I think I should just not be lazy and do the vector maths myself
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10:08 < kanzure> "to produce a synthesized light field that falls upon the retina in the same way as light reflected from real objects in your environment. Depth perception, in this system, isn’t just a trick played on the brain by showing it two slightly different images"
10:08 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8758074
10:08 < yoleaux> Neal Stephenson Joins Magic Leap | Hacker News
10:09 < kanzure> "But if they're trying for something much heavier-weight, like the ability to create convincing illusions not in the form-factor of "some goggles," but rather, "a specially prepared room and table," then that's maybe a little more realistic"
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10:38 < nmz787_i1> are there any magicleap pics?
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11:41 < fenn> wuh downloading pdfs from hp @ 17MB/s
11:41 < kanzure> colocated in your basement
11:41 < fenn> 3.2GB in 4m34s
11:42 < kanzure> blockchain description blog post thing relayed by some farmer in #swhack https://www.igvita.com/2014/05/05/minimum-viable-block-chain/
11:43 < fenn> there are farmers in #swhack?
11:44 < fenn> first pirates, then miners, then farmers.. cyberia is shaping up to be a real civilized place
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11:51 < kanzure> coordinating people to use the same irc channels is a difficult problem
11:51 < kanzure> and in summary i hate people
11:51 < fenn> you're welcome
11:52 < nmz787_i1> fenn: was it these? http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/hp_journal/
11:52 < kanzure> fenn: no, i don't mean you
11:52 < nmz787_i1> apparently wget -r added more than I thought it would
11:52 < kanzure> fenn: in this case, kragen has been avoiding #bitcoin-wizards so he decided to use #swhack to discuss bittorrent dht incentive blockchain stuff instead
11:52 < kanzure> even though i've asked him really nicely to use bitcoin-wizards and promised him lots of wonderful reasons to do so
11:52 < fenn> wtf i totally checked your directory first nmz787_i1
11:53 < fenn> ls: cannot access /home/nmz787/*hp*: No such file or directory
11:53 < kanzure> that's not how /home works
11:53 < fenn> guess i should have used find
11:54 < kanzure> you want /home/nmz787/public_html/
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11:55 < nmz787_i1> http://www.roadtovr.com/what-we-know-about-magic-leap-rumored-500m-investment-funding/3/
11:56 < nmz787_i1> "The projector apparatus of claim 88, wherein the support element comprises a piezoelectric collar that receives at least the first optical fiber proximate but spaced rear-wardly from the front end of the first optical fiber such that a portion of the first optical fiber proximate the front end thereof extends from the piezoelectric collar and is free to oscillate with a defined resonance frequency."
11:58 < nmz787_i1> " While Fig. 38 shows a single optical fiber 3812, some implementations may employ two or more optical fibers 3812, breaking the light up into multiple channels. In such implementations, the optical fibers 3812 may have staggered tips or beveled and polished tips to bend the light, reducing optical spacing between the channels. The optical fibers 3812 may be conveniently packaged as a ribbon cable. Suitable optics may produce a
11:58 < nmz787_i1> conjugate of the respective images produced by each of the channels."
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11:58 < nmz787_i1> "Applying control signals, e.g., via frame buffer 3828, to respective electrodes 3813 associated with the piezoelectric transducer 3814a can cause the front or proximate end 3812b of the optical fiber(s) 3812 to oscillate vibrate in a first resonance mode. A size of vibrations or amount of travel off center is controllable via the applied drive signals to obtain any of a variety of at least bi-axial patterns. Patterns may, for
11:58 < nmz787_i1> instance, include a raster scan pattern, spiral or volute scan pattern, or a Lissajous or figure 8 scan pattern."
12:00 < kanzure> fenn: i could accept a reasonable argument from you about not being in swhack at all, i didn't mean to imply i needed you to join etc
12:00 < fenn> i was curious about the farmer
12:01 < kanzure> and also, it seems counterproductive to do important discussions in a privately logged channel anyway
12:01 < nmz787_i1> "Providers such as Asahi-Kasei and Mitsubishi of Japan offer multi-core optical fibers or fused-tapered multi-core fibers. Because these materials would facilitate the possibility of scanning multiple pixels at once (as opposed to the single pixel presently scanned) , the total resolution of at the image plane can be increased for a given scan frequency, and the effective frame rate may be increased while maintaining or even
12:01 < nmz787_i1> increasing the spatial resolution of the display. Figures 7A and 7B illustrate embodiments of available multi-core optical fiber configurations (Figure 7A illustrates a cross-sectional view 50 of a multi-core configuration; Figure 7B illustrates a side view 52 of a tapered multi-core configuration) ."
12:02 < fenn> why do they still bother with [off] if it's privately logged
12:02 < kanzure> their private logger strips [off] messages :p
12:03  * fenn looks underneath for the hidden prize
12:04 < fenn> there's nothing but moldbugs and mildews under here
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12:12 < fenn> was it a dutch farmer
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13:12 < nmz787_i> http://makrshakr.com/en/specs
13:18 < archels> they got the unit wrong for man-hours
13:20 < kanzure> what's the right unit for man-hours?
13:20 < nmz787_i> persons/hour?
13:22 < fenn> man*hours
13:23 < fenn> .c 41000 hours in years
13:23 < yoleaux> convert 41000 hours to years = 4.68 years
13:24 < archels> worse, the robots seem to spill copiously when mixing a drink
13:25 < fenn> i guess it throws the glass at the customer so they can't get in its workspace
13:25 < archels> I wonder, are they programmed for cleanup duty also?
13:25 < archels> heh yeah
13:25 < archels> self-defense programme
13:25 < fenn> safety protocol
13:26 < fenn> i find it really hard to believe that this hasn't existed in japan for at least a decade
13:26 < fenn> "but smartphones!"!
13:27 < fenn> you should be able to just tell the robot what you want
13:28 < fenn> also "add to cart" is such a bad metaphor for ordering a drink
13:29 < fenn> i hate it
13:45 < kanzure> man-hours is a poor unit anyway
13:45 < kanzure> due to variability
13:45 < kanzure> even if there was an effective emulation standard man-hours would still not work ("brain-hours" i guess)
13:45 < kanzure> because it's something ike "whatever the dimensional effectiveness of brains solving problems happen to be, multiplied by the amount of hours they are computing this function"
13:50 < pasky> bzz
13:52 < nmz787_i> this is decent http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0108097
13:52 < nmz787_i> .title
13:52 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE: The OpenPicoAmp: An Open-Source Planar Lipid Bilayer Amplifier for Hands-On Learning of Neuroscience
13:52 < kanzure> pasky: hm?
13:53 < kanzure> it can't be "some ineffable dimensional quantity multiplied by some totally effable quantity"
13:53 < kanzure> that's not how units work
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13:56 < pasky> chido stole my cellphone
13:56 < archels> lots of goodies here  http://www.geometrictools.com/
13:57 < kanzure> .title
13:57 < yoleaux> Geometric Tools
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14:21 < kanzure> one day i will solve the irc coordination problem
14:21 < kanzure> and then i will retire
14:24 < kanzure> "isolated game theorist" problem: two game theorists know about each other but refuse to interact. and uh... both sides have asymmetric partial information.. and uh.. neither side thinks about both parties as likely game theorists.
14:26 < fenn> challenge both of them to a game of tit-tat-toe and do a mitm attack
14:27 < fenn> i see your theory and raise you a hypothesis
14:27 < kanzure> playing irc relay is not a productive use of my time (or maybe it is...)
14:28 < fenn> each game theorist writes a letter petitioning the king, who is under seige in a fortress...
14:28 < kanzure> and the letter contains an agreement about which irc channel they will use?
14:28 < fenn> but no game theorist receives the letter of any other
14:29 < nmz787_i> and this is why message boards.
14:29 < kanzure> no, this is not why message boards -_-
14:29 < fenn> BANNINATE!
14:29 < kanzure> i may have accepted "and this is why email"
14:29 < nmz787_i> well i meant the message boards that have email option
14:29 < kanzure> none of them do
14:29  * nmz787_i gets red in the face
14:30 < kanzure> none of them do email right
14:30 < nmz787_i> mailman?
14:30 < kanzure> message boards just send you email and don't let you send back
14:30 < kanzure> and most message boards don't actually reliably send you email for all threads and all posts in all conceivable subforums etc
14:31 < nmz787_i> wait isn't mailman a message board software?
14:31 < nmz787_i> or is that termed differently?
14:31 < nmz787_i> is mailman not fixable because it's so old/crappy?
14:31 < fenn> mailman is an extraterrestrial artificial intelligence designed to destroy our precious civilization
14:33 < nmz787_i> huh, it seems this board may have switched to Indian calendar? http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/
14:33 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.oregonlive.com/hg/index.ssf/2014/11/fruit_tree_disease_prevent_wit.html
14:33 < yoleaux> OSU horticulturist lists least toxic sprays and treatments for fruit trees | OregonLive.com
14:34 < nmz787_i> "Latex paint: Coat the trunks of young trees with white exterior latex paint diluted in half with water. The paint reflects strong sunlight and prevents sunburn and winter burn that can cause tissue damage and lead to cracks, a favorite place for pests to overwinter and cause substantial winter damage."
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14:37 < nmz787_i> arduino just larger than a U.S. quarter-dollar http://www.adafruit.com/gemma
14:37 < kragen> is it washable?
14:37 < nmz787_i> $8 not bad either, not from ebay/aliexpress
14:37 < nmz787_i> doesn't seem like kragen
14:37 < nmz787_i> maybe with some silicone it could be made so
14:38 < nmz787_i> brb
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14:40 < fenn> it's not the washing it's the drying that causes static
14:40 < fenn> washing also breaks solder joints tho
14:41 < fenn> can sew a dense felt strain relief backing pad around it
14:41 < fenn> you can't wash it with the battery in unless you want corroded terminals
14:42 < kanzure> mailman is a mailing list implementation
14:42 < kragen> you can line-dry your clothes
14:42 < kragen> mailing lists are a message board implementation
14:42 < kanzure> most people do not consider mailman to be a forum or message board because there's no web interface to post messages
14:42 < kanzure> most people who say "forum" mean junk like phpbb
14:46 < fenn> mailman is a one-to-many email relay with web-based archive functionality
14:47 < fenn> also it routes moderation to the moderator and handles subscription mostly automatically
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14:48 < fenn> mailman could easily have a web interface to post messages, but it would still be an email relay
14:49 < kanzure> and then you could call it sympa
14:49 < fenn> sure whatever
14:50 < kanzure> damn sympa's already taken
14:50 < fenn> you could call it mailwwwman
14:50 < kanzure> "notalking"
14:51 < fenn> or femailwwwmyn if you're a bitch
14:51 < fenn> i think the pie is rotting my brain
14:51 < kanzure> you have to put "bbs" in the name or else china will never use it
14:51 < fenn> my brain is a distributed hash table
14:52 < fenn> i can't tell what's a collision and what's a coincidence
14:52 < fenn> .wik sybil
14:52 < yoleaux> "Sibyls were oracular women believed to possess prophetic powers in ancient Greece." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil
14:52 < kanzure> .wik sybil attack
14:52 < yoleaux> "The Sybil attack in computer security is an attack wherein a reputation system is subverted by forging identities in peer-to-peer networks. It is named after the subject of the book Sybil, a case study of a woman diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder. The name was suggested in or before 2002 by Brian Zill at Microsoft Research." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack
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14:54 < fenn> i wish it weren't named "sybil" - dissociative identity disorder is similar to a lot of problems in DHT's under DoS attack
14:54 < fenn> er, s/DHT/distributed consensus/
14:54 < kanzure> i wonder why sybil-style things aren't immediately obvious to everyone
14:55 < fenn> because 20/20 hindsight
14:56 < kanzure> you can know upfront that things are spoofable
14:56 < fenn> i wonder why 10kHz positive bias sine wave DC power isn't obvious to everyone
14:57 < kanzure> does that have a spoofing problem?
14:57 < fenn> no
14:57 < kanzure> you'll have to help me with the analogy
14:57 < fenn> uh.. lots of things are obvious improvements over what we've got
14:57 < fenn> but people are stupid and there are entrenched interests that fight against change
14:57 < kragen> fenn: Lawrence Detweiler called it "pseudospoofing" but because he was a paranoid loon people didn't adopt that terminology
14:57 < kanzure> sybil attacks do not have easy solutions at all
14:57 < kanzure> or obvious solutions
14:58 < kanzure> but their presence should be obvious
14:58 < kanzure> *the presence of the sybil problems or sybil attacks
14:58 < kragen> 10kHz sounds like a terrible idea, fenn. why would you want that?
15:00 < fenn> smaller transformers, less power factor conversion for the substation to do, less chance of electric shock, easy to rectify (it's DC)
15:00 < kragen> why not 40kHz?
15:00 < fenn> no particular reason
15:01 < kragen> 10kHz is a really annoying sound
15:01 < fenn> ok 40KHz then
15:01 < kragen> you lose AC motors though
15:01 < kragen> well, big ones
15:01 < fenn> at a certain point the skin effect starts making your wires less effective conductors because the center of the wire isn't conducting anything
15:02 < kragen> yes, long-distance transmission lines already suffer significantly from this, which is the reason for investigating HVDC and also the reason for Litz wire and for multiple parallel conductors a few centimeters apart strung from the transmission towers
15:02 < fenn> also transistor switching losses if you have to generate the sine wave from flat DC or some other format
15:03 < kragen> yes; will that be a big deal in the kHz range?
15:03 < fenn> switching losses are linearly proportional to switching speed in this range
15:03 < fenn> not a big deal
15:04 < fenn> most of the loss would happen in long distance transmission line anyway
15:05 < fenn> most big AC motors are three phase anyway
15:05 < fenn> they should be controlled by a VFD
15:06 < fenn> if you really want to hardwire your three phase motor to the utility lines, maybe something based on beat frequencies could be cooked up
15:06 < kragen> nowadays many of them are, to a surprising extent
15:06 < kragen> .t https://twitter.com/kragen/status/544988545338052608
15:06 < yoleaux> kragen: Sorry, I don't know a timezone by that name.
15:06 < kragen> .tw https://twitter.com/kragen/status/544988545338052608
15:06 < yoleaux> https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-to-do-with-a-washing-machine-motor.550058/#post-3850658 Interesting, new washing machine motors (¼–¾HP) use a three-phase motor controlled by a VFD? (Or a stepper?) AWESOME (@kragen)
15:07 < fenn> fischer paykel washing machines have these giant stepper motors that are directly linked to the wash drum
15:08 < kragen> I thought stepper motors were somehow grievously inefficient?
15:08 < fenn> i've sort of lost track of the difference between a stepper and a ac servo
15:08 < fenn> something about the shape of the EMF waveform being trapezoidal or sinusoidal due to magnetic reluctance from the shape of the rotor/stator
15:09 < fenn> (steppers are trapezoidal, ac servos are sinusoidal)
15:09 < kragen> I see
15:09 < fenn> this makes steppers easier to drive by simply turning a transistor on, since the "impedance" matches
15:12 < fenn> sorry for the tangent on electrical power formats
15:12 < fenn> i was just complaining about how everything's obvious
15:13 < fenn> also everything's totally broken
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15:25 < kanzure> "In contrast to most recent work in peer-to-peer software, our design is based on mathematical proofs of security rather than hand-waving."
15:25 < kanzure> http://szabo.best.vwh.net/securetitle.html
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16:06 < fenn> insufficiently skeptical title but interesting nevertheless http://news.sky.com/story/1393058/mars-curiosity-rover-finds-signs-of-life
16:07 < fenn> "Plumes of methane have been identified on the planet in the past, but none as sudden as the "venting" measured at Gale Crater."
16:07 < kanzure> do these robots have microscopes?
16:08 < fenn> curiosity has a bunch of stuff
16:08 < kanzure> i remember lots of mass-spec-style equipment
16:08 < nsh> fenn, i thought that, then i thought "sign of life" is still a sign of life even if there's no life
16:08 < nsh> it just reads more positively at first glance for some reason
16:09 < nsh> signs consistent with life would be more precise i guess
16:10 < kanzure> "signs not totally incompatible with the presence or non-presence of lifelike things"
16:11 < kanzure> a thing i still like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry
16:11 < fenn> it has a GC/MS and "mars hand lens imager" with resolution of 15 microns in white and ultraviolet
16:11 < kanzure> oh good
16:11 < fenn> uh, white/UV illumination and "true color" imager
16:12 < fenn> also it can poke at stuff
16:12 < fenn> see if it squirms
16:13 < fenn> nsh: it's tantamount to shouting "curiosity discovers life on mars!!!" that's all
16:13 < fenn> run through the journalism game of telephone a few times and i bet you'll see that
16:13 < nsh> yeah, but i'm suggesting that's a failure of the reader more than the headline editor
16:14 < nsh> you are right though
16:14 < fenn> if it turns out to be life this conversation will be moot :P
16:14  * nsh smiles
16:14 < kanzure> this conversation will be had millions of times over, until the end of time
16:14 < kanzure> for each planet or astronomical object
16:15 < fenn> party pooper
16:15 < nsh> i hope it's something that's clearly not alive but clearly not not alive
16:15 < kanzure> plus there will be crap like "nah dawg after uncle elon everything just was contaminated with earth shit"
16:15 < nsh> and conceptually fucks up everything
16:15 < fenn> this is the first time life will have been discovered on another planet, that only happens once in earth history
16:15 < nsh> so does this
16:15 < fenn> nsh what?
16:16 < fenn> not p but clearly not not p
16:16 < nsh> i mean, i'm unsettled by the assumption that we'll definitely be able to say mars has life or doesn't have life
16:16 < nsh> i don't think we understand what we mean by life well enough to be certain of that discernability
16:16 < fenn> meh it will probably strongly resemble earth life if there's anything there
16:17 < fenn> as in, DNA, bacteria/archaea, genetic sequences in common
16:17 < nsh> yeah, probably. would be fun if it kicked us in the balls though
16:17 < kanzure> suppose that some terraforming process is initiated (perhaps by accident, e.g. carrying bacteria to the planet, or something), what's the minimum amount of time for there to be an average of 1 cell per 10e16 grains of sand if they have a doubling time of 24 hours?
16:17 < kanzure> s/sand/surface particles
16:17 < kanzure> .wa surface area of mars
16:17 < yoleaux> Mars: surface area: 1.4×10⁸ km² (square kilometers); Unit conversions: 1.4×10¹⁴ m² (square meters); 56 million mi² (square miles); 1.6×10¹⁵ ft² (square feet); Comparisons as area: ~0.42 × ocean area on the earth (~132 million mi²); ~0.97 × land area on the earth (1.4894×10⁸ km²); ~4 × largest extent of the British Empire (~36 Mm²); Corresponding quantities: Radius r of a circle from A = pir²:: 6800 km ( …
16:17 < yoleaux> kilometers): 4200 miles
16:18 < kanzure> .wa surface area of united states
16:18 < yoleaux> United States: total area: 9.631×10⁶ km² (square kilometers) (world rank: 3rd); Unit conversions: 9.631×10¹² m² (square meters); 3.719 million mi² (square miles); 1.037×10¹⁴ ft² (square feet); Comparisons as area: ~0.96 × total area of Canada (9.98467×10⁶ km²); ~1.004 × total area of China (9.59696×10⁶ km²); ~largest extent of the Roman Empire (~9 Mm²)
16:18 < fenn> kanzure just go read red mars by kim stanley robinson
16:18 < kanzure> anywho if some terraforming-compatible critter ends up on mars it may be really difficult to figure out whether we put that there
16:19 < fenn> yes there will be endless denial from ... someone
16:19 < fenn> "it doesn't say anything about mars in the bible!"
16:19 < kanzure> well what if we really did terraform the planet
16:19 < fenn> well what if mars really did areoform earth
16:22 < fenn> it will be hard to do a good analysis without DNA sequencing, but before launching a big sample return mission they will want better evidence than just methane spikes
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16:24 < fenn> it's kinda ridiculous when you look at the actual distances covered by the rovers, and imagine trying to find life on earth in a desert and only traveling 4 km
16:26 < kanzure> but fly-overs?
16:26 < kanzure> and http://www.google.com/mars/
16:27 < kanzure> fly-overs over earth could probably detect bacteria
16:27 < kanzure> various dirts
16:28 < fenn> yes there are probably not herds of wild tfoof galloping around
16:31 < fenn> satellites can't detect bacteria under the soil
16:32 < fenn> there have been obvious cases of water runoff in before/after images, but not any actual pictures of water on the surface (which might contain pigmented microbes that could be seen)
16:38 < fenn> what a weird page http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/technoz.html
16:38 < kanzure> hehe hooft is still alive?
16:40 < fenn> reminds me of "after man" by dougal dixon
16:42 < fenn> "Eventually and inevitably, squids will land on the Moon."
16:42 < fenn> scientists say squids will land on moon
16:43 < fenn> SQUIDS ON MOON details at 7
16:43 < fenn> Do Moon Squids Threaten Humanity?
16:44 < fenn> Threat of Attack by Squids at All-Time High
16:44 < kanzure> i'd be more worried about moon octopus but that's just me
16:45 < fenn> well it made more sense in context http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/extratr.html
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17:50 < kanzure> paperbot: http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/368/1622/20120266
17:50 < kanzure> .title
17:50 < paperbot> http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1098%2Frstb.2012.0266
17:50 < yoleaux> Why did eukaryotes evolve only once? Genetic and energetic aspects of conflict and conflict mediation | Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences
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19:41 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/archaeological-dig-uncovers-ancient-race-of-skelet,1268/
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21:13 < jrayhawk> the whole alphaproteobacteria origins concept seems so low-probability that i am surprised it's even in question why only one species won the race to it
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21:35 < kanzure> http://www.meme.com.au/papers/Islets/Islets.html
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