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00:04 < delinquentme> so pair programming at the end of an interview process sucks.
00:04 < delinquentme> its coupling social + internal thinking ... and essentially adding endless switching costs to my thought process.
00:05 < delinquentme> why ELSE.. is paid wholly bad / rarified environment for a coding interview
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03:14 < archels> argh--that geometrictools.com website seems to have taken some anti-wget measures
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03:14 < archels> CodeItem("Include", "ThreadSafeMap.h"); CodeItem("Include", "ThreadSafeMap.inl");
03:14 < archels> JS-generated links
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06:39 < kanzure> .to delinquentme yes i usually refuse to do any pair programming during an interview
06:39 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to delinquentme.
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06:51 < kanzure> hrm
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07:27 < heath> neat, magic leap offices are an hour away
07:28 < heath> or 2 hours
07:36 < kanzure> potato, potato
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07:53 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/cia-realizes-its-been-using-black-highlighters-all,1848/
07:53 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-dolphins-not-so-intelligent-on-land,1896/
07:53 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/dolphins-evolve-opposable-thumbs,284/
07:53 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/after-checking-your-bank-account-remember-to-log-o,32260/
07:53 < kanzure> http://www.theonion.com/articles/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex,20476/
07:53 < kanzure> that is all.
07:54 < kanzure> now i am caught up
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08:41 < delinquentme> HIO!!!! all
08:41 < yoleaux> 14:39Z <kanzure> delinquentme: yes i usually refuse to do any pair programming during an interview
08:41 < delinquentme> kanzure, you say " no "
08:42 < delinquentme> ? or do you give reasons why
08:45 < kanzure> usually they don't care about my reason
08:52 < eudoxia> kanzure types faster than anyone can read
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08:57 < kanzure> ha
08:58 < kanzure> it's because i consider it very unprofessional to have to look over my shoulder
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09:20 < heath> haskoin is where it's at
09:21 < kanzure> bitcoin implementations are very hard to get right
09:21 < kanzure> because you have to be bug-compatible with existing implementations
09:23 < kanzure> hmm that's the only haskell+bitcoin result in my bookmarks
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09:24 < kanzure> hi davidapfel
09:25 < davidapfel> hi
09:27 < davidapfel> thanks for your answer in diybio google group
09:30 < nmz787_i> cool
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09:52 < nmz787_i> .title http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/
09:52 < yoleaux> git - the simple guide - no deep shit!
09:52 < nmz787_i> davidapfel: welcome, what end of the world are you coming from?
09:53 < nmz787_i> I sold a rs232-sniffer board last night! whoo
09:54 < davidapfel> right now calaceite, spain...soon moving to buenos aires
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09:55 < davidapfel> i'm looking for health related biohacking projects
09:56 < kanzure> we have at least two people in beunos aieres
09:56 < kanzure> buenos aires
09:57 < davidapfel> oh great! who?
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09:58 < nmz787_i> cool
09:58 < kanzure> kragen and uh... not guido. the other one.
09:58 < kanzure> eightpennies?
09:58 < kanzure> alan?
10:01 < nmz787_i> be back in 15, won't see messages during that time, but I'm interested to learn more about your biohacking interests davidapfel
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10:14 < nmz787_i1> back!
10:14 < kanzure> "Another caveat is that in any anonymity system in which client churn is present AND users maintain long-lived pseudonyms of any kind, client churn can be used by a smart attacker to de-anonymize clients via intersection attacks. This basically means that if you want "the strongest possible" anonymity protection, you basically either have to (a) never maintain pseudonyms or use time-linkable communication sessions at all (difficult!), or ...
10:14 < kanzure> ... (b) eliminate client churn completely (also difficult!). Our Buddies paper explores this tradeoff and the (admittedly limited, so far) practical defenses that we can build against intersection attacks: <http://dedis.cs.yale.edu/dissent/papers/buddies-abs>"
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10:15 < kanzure> from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8762219
10:15 < kanzure> "Dissent does not specify or care how exactly a group is formed, and the sybil/sockpuppetry attack protection it provides is inevitably only as strong as the group formation mechanism. Dissent's accountability guarantee basically means that - unlike most anonymity protocols - it is not any more vulnerable to sybil or sockpuppetry attacks than (say) an otherwise-comparable group communication protocol offering no anonymity."
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10:23 < davidapfel> interested in: hacking myself obviously...but maybe starting with cheap, easy-to-do health-tests, maybe an urine test or something and teach it online
10:30 < nmz787_i1> davidapfel: what's your background, what are your skills?
10:31 < davidapfel> have done something with arduino, python experience, machine learning beginner
10:34 < davidapfel> tought kids how to do irrigation with arduino, hehe
10:37 < nmz787_i1> one of my plans for this was to integrate it into my water faucet and also toilet https://github.com/nmz787/open-spectrometer/
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10:37 < nmz787_i1> so I could loosely look at input and output
10:38 < nmz787_i1> pretty sure this was in Borat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgEVYGHnAY
10:38 < nmz787_i1> .title
10:38 < yoleaux> Bătuta din Reteag / Stamping dance from Reteag village - YouTube
10:38 < nmz787_i1> hah, .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzL0Hw_vptU
10:38 < nmz787_i1> .title
10:38 < yoleaux> Bâtuta din Reteag 8bit - YouTube
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10:58 < heath> https://mosh.mit.edu/
10:58 < heath> "Remote terminal application that allows roaming, supports intermittent connectivity, and provides intelligent local echo and line editing of user keystrokes."
11:03 < heath> this is nice
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11:40 < kragen> kanzure: everyone should be in buenos aires
11:40 < kragen> it is awesome
11:42 < ParahSailin> stuff cheap there?
11:43 < kragen> no. but music and dance are excellent
11:44 < ParahSailin> do i have to dance?
11:44 < kragen> and unlimited cellular internet access is under three bucks a month
11:44 < kragen> are you from the uas
11:44 < kragen> usa
11:45 < ParahSailin> yes
11:45 < kanzure> bug apocalypse will wipe that place out first, you can't trick me
11:45 < kragen> then no.  yanquis are exempt from mandatory dancing for the good of everyone
11:45 < ParahSailin> do i have to like music?
11:45 < kragen> no
11:46 < kanzure> i should hook you up with the molecular biology person in your area
11:46 < kragen> but if you don't it probably means you are another ai experiment trying to pass the turing test like kanzure
11:46 < kanzure> he's like some 80 year old guy who does molecular biology and immunology projects in his home
11:47 < kanzure> angry at the world that nobody reads papers
11:47 < heath> kragen: change the laws so i can stay longer than 3 months without having to work for a company down there, and i will come
11:49 < kanzure> 11:35 < beuno> so snappy packages, which are read-only code + writable space per app, and read-only system
11:49 < kanzure> 11:35 < beuno> you get transactional updates on all layers
11:49 < kanzure> 11:35 < beuno> and confinement of each app from each other
11:51 < kragen> heath: some people just overstay their visas, which is illegal but punished by a fairly small fine
11:51 < kragen> others take a day trip to Uruguay every three months minus a day or two
11:52 < kragen> you can see Uruguay from some buildings in downtown Buenos Aires, sort of like Sarah Palin could see Russia from her house
11:52 < heath> kragen: that's cool, i've wanted to live in that area for awhile, but you can't legally get around the laws easily
11:54 < kragen> I think it's arguable whether 4+ε day trips to Uruguay is actually legally getting around the laws, but that's really the problem of the border crossing agents who give you one tourist visa after another
11:54 < kragen> not you
11:55 < kragen> 4+ε per year, 127 nanohertz
11:56 < eudoxia> plus you get to hang out with eudoxia while waiting for your visa :)
11:56 < kragen> oh, are you in Uruguay?
11:56 < eudoxia> yeah
11:56 < kragen> didn't realize
11:56 < kragen> what part?
11:57 < eudoxia> montevideo
11:57 < kragen> makes sense.  I haven't been there in a while
11:57 < kanzure> you should rescue eudoxia from uruguay
11:57 < kanzure> also, make sure he doesn't go to college
11:57 < eudoxia> you probably haven't missed anything new, except, i guess pot is legal now
11:57 < kragen> is there much of a transhumanist community there? my tech connections there are via Gaba and Rabble, so much more on the socialist/activist side
11:58 < kragen> pot isn't legal for me there because I'm not Uruguayan!
11:58 < eudoxia> according to my internet detectiving there was a hackerspace here and that's the closest thing there was
11:58 < eudoxia> i'm not going to start the H+ Society of Uruguay because it's just going to be me sitting in the corner of some university lecture room reading David Zindell by myself
11:59 < kragen> have you been for a long time?
11:59 < eudoxia> since i was born, plus minus a few trips to Buenos Aires
11:59 < heath> kragen, eudoxia: check out creativa77, the cto is a former ibm employee who now spends half his time working on the ROS project
11:59 < kragen> heath: I'm sharing the creativa77 office
12:00 < heath> kragen: nice
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12:00 < kragen> I'm actually hearing creativa77 employees laughing about robots in the other room right now
12:00 < heath> heh
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12:01 < kragen> eudoxia: if you visit here I will definitely introduce you
12:01 < kanzure> how far?
12:02 < eudoxia> kragen: thanks :)
12:04 < kanzure> google maps says 15 hours, but the directions involve a detour through texas
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12:24 < heath> if hardware is being passed around at my next job, i'm asking for a build box instead of a laptop
12:26 < heath> guess i could ask for a laptop as well since mine's about to crap over with these simultaneous virtualbox builds
12:28 < kanzure> use an ec2 build box
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12:37 < kanzure> "In my more mean-spirited and uncharitable moments, I like to think of Biasocial Science as an enterprise driven by the grand-daddy of all biases: the bias towards believing that cataloging biases advances our understanding of the human condition in a fundamental way that can enable the construction and enactment of a progressive “Ascent of Quantified Man” narrative."
12:39 < eudoxia> that sounds like something dale carrico would write if he could write intelligibly
12:39 < eudoxia> well except for the progressive part
12:40 < JayDugger> Heh, heh, heh.
12:52 < kanzure> .title http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/1052
12:52 < yoleaux> oss-sec: Linux kernel: multiple x86_64 vulnerabilities
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13:05 < archels> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK9yx55X_PU
13:05 < archels> .title
13:05 < yoleaux> NEDO CYBERDYNE "HAL" DEMO - YouTube
13:05 < archels> exoskeleton -- not sure where this is helping/driving exactly
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13:25 < kanzure> grsec stuff https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8763942
13:34 < kanzure> "Additionally, the person (or team) behind PaX is anonymous and the Linux core refuses to accept patches from anonymous people."
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13:41 < archels> how hard can it be to set up a phony identity on the internet?
13:43 < kanzure> depends on how thorough you want it to be
13:43 < kanzure> you can just buy pre-existing ones
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14:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: was gnusha-irssi-startup ever documented?
14:36 < kanzure> logbot
14:36 < nmz787_i1> this is pretty darn cool... http://www.zintaglio.com/lens.html
14:37 < kanzure> .title
14:37 < yoleaux> Lumography
14:38 < jrayhawk> kanzure: nope
14:40 < kanzure> http://www.businessinsider.com/snapchat-ceo-evan-spiegels-email-memo-2014-12
14:40 < kanzure> "But new email exchanges written by Spiegel to his board members paint an entirely different picture. The CEO of Sony, Michael Lynton, was recently the victim of a cyber attack which unearthed his work emails. Lynton is also on Snapchat's board, so there are a number of exchanges between him, Spiegel and other board members that have been leaked.
14:40 < kanzure> interesting collateral
14:41 < nmz787_i1> comments with links to more info here http://hackaday.com/2014/12/17/lumographic-images-created-with-lens-only/#more-141203
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14:52 < fenn> nmz787_i1: that is pretty impressive, i remember his scratch holography work but this is a whole new level of awesome. anselm had described the same thing to me (making arbitrary light patterns with caustics) and i had come up with similar ideas, but the necessary math was beyond me
14:55 < kanzure> quite a leak
14:55 < kanzure> the leak that keeps on giving
15:00 < heath> kragen: actually, if you're near creativa again tomorrow, tell julian I said hi :)
15:00  * heath is heath matlock
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16:04 < nmz787_i1> fenn: are caustics in this case harsh bases?
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16:12 < fenn> no. a caustic is like the ripples on the bottom of a pool
16:12 < fenn> .wik caustics
16:12 < yoleaux> "Caustic may refer to:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caustics
16:12 < fenn> .wik caustics (optics)
16:12 < yoleaux> "In optics, a caustic or caustic network  is the envelope of light rays reflected or refracted by a curved surface or object, or the projection of that envelope of rays on another surface. The caustic is a curve or surface to which each of the light rays is tangent, defining a boundary of an envelope of rays as a curve of concentrated light." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caustic_(optics)
16:14 < fenn> Concentration of light, especially sunlight, can burn. The word caustic, in fact, comes from the Greek καυστός, burnt
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16:15 < nmz787_i1> so it's a microbeam, which emanates from a microlens?
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16:15 < nmz787_i1> microbeam meaning one of all possible beams I guess, which emanate from a single big optic
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16:18 < fenn> just look at the wiki page; the pictures are pretty self explanatory
16:19  * kanzure gets out his typewriter
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16:26 < fenn> kanzure they can decode your typewriter keypresses by the sound
16:29 < kanzure> all official letters must be typed using a typewriter
16:29 < kanzure> them's the rules
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16:31 < fenn> i won't believe it until i have a signed sealed official letter
16:34 < fenn> so the GoP/sony hackers are now terrorists too, according to official propaganda channels
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17:17 < delinquentme> kanzoo
17:17 < delinquentme> where you?
17:21 < kanzure> what?
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17:28 < delinquentme> actually I need to reboot.
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19:23 < kanzure> hi shubhamgoyal 
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20:40 < delinquentme> kanzure, do you meditate?
20:43 < kanzure> hell no
20:44 < juri_> smoke weed every day. kanzure is straight gangster!
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21:22 < kanzure> oh right, mars permafrost http://www.planete-astronomie.com/tl_files/photos/Mars/2-Phoenix/PIA10903.jpg
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