--- Log opened Sat Jan 03 00:00:11 2015 00:06 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-36.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:06 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:09 -!- faddat_ [~quassel@115.79.48.184] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:12 -!- faddat [~quassel@115.79.48.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:16 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- rayston [~rayston@ip68-106-242-42.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined 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250 seconds] 06:47 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-234-36-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-205-113-190.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:54 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- DonnchaC_ [~DonnchaC@windmill.donncha.is] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 08:00 < kanzure> the tippy toppest secret 08:06 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:15 < kanzure> this is too short http://rationality.org/checklist/ 08:16 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 < catern> probably it's meant to be short 08:22 -!- docl [~luke@unaffiliated/docl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uhobyaazmsqohqjr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:16 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abetusk [~abe@c-71-192-163-80.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:25 < kanzure> hmm 12:46 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:d159:7d6f:2efe:f3e5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- delinquentme_ [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- delinquentme_ [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ltzcevvrtapubken] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:20 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:23 -!- narwh4l [~michael@unaffiliated/thesnark] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8831912 14:25 < yoleaux> Show HN: Crapify, a proxy for simulating slow, spotty HTTP connections | Hacker News 14:25 < kanzure> hmm, but you shouldn't be testing network stack stuff ideally, since you should be assuming your network stack works and gives you good error codes 14:40 < bkero> kanzure: happy birthday 14:41 < bkero> kanzure: You'd think. One of my favorite games is to give a facebook developer a crappy mobile phone on a slow network and tell them to try using their own product. 14:42 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-coorhsfvssswpskb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-134-43-159.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@2a02:270:2015:b00b:d159:7d6f:2efe:f3e5] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:02 < narwh4l> This is kind of a classic question - is it better to simulate issues or test them in the environment? IMO answer is obvious 15:03 < narwh4l> That being said, good testing can get expensive 15:03 < kanzure> eh, as a developer i have never actually implemented code to check for all possible errors according to my network layer 15:03 < kanzure> so i'm gonna go ahead and assume that doing what i do is probably common 15:04 < kanzure> an alternative idea is that maybe there's no network stack implementations that actually provide good error information 15:04 < kanzure> but i haven't looked anyway 15:04 < narwh4l> In this case I'm not sure if it really matters if the approach is popular or not 15:05 < narwh4l> I haven't developed a network stack for anything in the wild, but just as a general principle 15:06 < narwh4l> unit testing is around for a reason 15:06 < narwh4l> Oh wait, I have 15:06 < narwh4l> but I didn't test anything systematically like you're talking about 15:07 < narwh4l> but not testing is how 0days are born 15:29 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:52 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-134-43-159.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r190-134-42-168.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8832110 16:00 < yoleaux> Biology needs a Grothendieck (or at least a Hilbert) | Hacker News 16:00 < kanzure> anselm spotted in public, everyone swarm him go 16:00 < kanzure> "I came to biology from physics over a decade ago thinking that theory would matter. But modern biology is not waiting for a Grothendieck. We are not wanting for a deep theoretical view to reinterpret our data with. We are wanting for cheap, high quality data about cells and organisms in the first place. Those of you who have not done biology can't realize how primitive things still are. A CS analogy is that we're trying to reverse ... 16:00 < kanzure> ... engineer a non-deterministic alien architecture from the future via a remote debugger over a noisy line that has no error correction and runs at a fraction of a millibaud, where every peek or poke costs hundreds to thousands of dollars. With the advent of high-throughput sequencing we just figured out how to get noisy ROM/RAM dumps (genotype), but still have precious little ability to quickly interact with the biological systems ... 16:01 < kanzure> ... under study (phenotype). Biology is much more like hacking and reverse engineering than it is like physics or mathematics. A working exploit is worth much more than general pontification. The transformative events in biology these days are the clever hacks that enable whole new classes of fast experiments to be done: quick homologous recombination induced by CRISPR, optical interrogation of neural systems using light-sensitive ion ... 16:01 < kanzure> ... channels, the development of adeno-associated viruses for rapid introduction of genetic material, etc. In the coming decades the combination of such clever hacks with cheaper automation and sensors will hopefully bring a flood of new data that will make a predictive, quantitative science of biology possible. With cheap and plentiful data, perhaps clever minds might discover general quantitative principles that we can't see yet. But ... 16:01 < kanzure> ... the data is what's lacking, not cleverness." 16:20 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r190-134-42-168.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21 -!- narwh4l [~michael@unaffiliated/thesnark] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:45 -!- delinquentme_ [~dingo@199.116.73.50] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53 -!- Zinglon [~Zinglon@ip565f6f48.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 < nmz787> this looks cool but the code is open, or at least not downloadable currently https://will-forfang.squarespace.com/3d-scanning-digitizing-on-the-cheap-2/ 16:57 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- delinquentme_ [~dingo@199.116.73.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35 < heath> https://github.com/gitchain/gitchain 17:35 < heath> Decentralized, peer-to-peer Git repositories aka "Git meets Bitcoin" 17:45 < heath> similar to crapify, i recently came across https://github.com/hapijs/shot 17:45 < heath> almost interesting stuff happening in hapi.js land 18:15 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:23 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:31 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:52 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:55 < kanzure> "decentralized git repos" -_- 19:25 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:26 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d50-92-51-3.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:43 < augur_> btw if anyone's interested, the alpha version of the Language Engine ObjC SDK is now on github. more info in the tweet https://twitter.com/psygnisfive/status/551564619513626624 19:44 < augur_> i figure this is definitely relevant to h+ roadmap since its conversational AI :x 19:47 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47 < kanzure> what 19:48 < kanzure> how can there be more info in a god damn tweet 19:48 < kanzure> .tw 19:48 < yoleaux> the alpha version of @languagengine is now on Github, including a demo project! https://github.com/languagengine/Language-Engine-Framework/releases/tag/v0.1.0 (@psygnisfive) 19:48 < augur_> kanzure: well theres a convo below the tweet :P 19:48 < kanzure> there was no extra information in the tweet and you lied to me 19:48 < augur_> kanzure: IM SORRY T_T 19:49 < kanzure> :( 19:53 < augur_> kanzure: the replies contain convo tho, so if thats useful, its there :P 19:55 < kanzure> there's no source code in this repo? 19:55 < kanzure> wtf 19:58 < augur_> kanzure: there's a zipped xcode project 19:59 < augur_> with the framework, a demo app project, and docs 20:00 < augur_> kanzure: ill make it clearer i guess? thank you for commenting on that 20:05 < kanzure> version control too cool for you? 20:06 < augur_> kanzure: the framework is on github but privately. its a wrapper around some haskell, and its a mess because of that 20:07 < augur_> if you mean for the whole collection of files, i havent yet figured out if/how github manages xcode projects and frameworks. their page on releases suggests you zip everything up so i did 20:07 < augur_> im going to poke at github a bit more tho to see if it will handle the projects nicely 20:18 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 < augur_> kanzure: lemme know if you end up playing with it, ey? 20:31 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-71-164-224-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:48 -!- delinquentme_ [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:30 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-71-164-224-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:39 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@pool-71-164-224-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:42 < kanzure> hi genehacker 21:42 < genehacker> hi 21:42 < yoleaux> 14 Dec 2014 13:33Z genehacker: nmz787's microfluidic mixer http://imgur.com/4XgSEWH 21:43 < genehacker> inputs outputs? 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