--- Log opened Tue Jan 06 00:00:14 2015 00:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:08 < kragen> tcl is pretty easy 00:08 -!- juri__ [~juri@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:08 < kragen> the thing about tcl is that while it's super powerful in terms of metaprogramming 00:08 < kragen> it has really pretty shitty semantics 00:09 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:09 < kragen> so it's great as, like, a scripting language, in the purest sense, but it's terrible at building abstractions 00:09 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:10 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:10 < kragen> like, lists are just a conventional way to parse strings, and arrays aren't first-class objects, but rather a kind of variable 00:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:33 -!- poppingtonic [brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- juri__ is now known as juri_ 01:34 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@118.189.209.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:33 -!- nsh [~lol@2001:41d0:8:c2da::1337] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34 -!- nsh [~lol@2001:41d0:8:c2da::1337] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.153.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- poppingtonic [brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:24 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 -!- Evoril [~Evoril@86-45-222-8-dynamic.agg2.crw.prp-wtd.eircom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-48-18.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:34 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@cpe-24-92-48-18.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:55 -!- Evoril [~Evoril@86-45-222-8-dynamic.agg2.crw.prp-wtd.eircom.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:31 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@CPE-124-187-233-200.lns2.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:34 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@118.189.209.93] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:08 < heath> nmz787, juri_ after you get through LYAH, a gentle intro is good, but after that, you have no excuses not to just build something and learn through experience 07:08 < heath> s/excuses/excuse 07:09 < heath> eve is fun when starting out as well 07:09 < heath> s/eve/elm 07:09 < heath> http://elm-lang.org/ 07:10 < heath> it lacks a lot of features you'll find in haskell 07:11 < heath> but i think it should help you become familiar with using pure functions and recursion :) 07:11 < kanzure> bitcointalk.org scrape 83 GB http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/7i531 07:16 < heath> ...probably shouldn't go this route though, learning one language so you can grasp another most likely isn't worth the investment unless you're a curious kid in training 07:23 < juri_> I'm pretty familiar. :) 07:23 < juri_> anyway, idris. 07:23 < juri_> I want to do an idris port of implicitcad. 07:24 < heath> juri_: hah, nice 07:25 < heath> gl with that 07:25 -!- skyraider [uid41097@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkaqifckhbmvxiee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 < heath> juri_: have you read this paper yet? http://eb.host.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk/drafts/effects.pdf 07:25 < heath> it's pretty accessible 07:26 < juri_> will do, in my copius free time. ;) 07:54 < kanzure> nmz787: you could merge the other python-brlcad changes into python-brlcad from my repo, that would be a helpful thing to do 07:54 < kanzure> or at least review their changes (some of the changes seemed a little suspicious to me, so not all changes need to get in, of course) 07:55 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58 < heath> synbiobeta year in review http://synbiobeta.com/year-review-2014/?utm_source=SynBioBeta&utm_campaign=f9a9340978-Digest_37&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_254b60111d-f9a9340978-78412173 08:15 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-147-244-140.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-162-3-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:24 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@179.26.153.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:46 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:57 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.74] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: git submodule --quiet foreach 'echo $name `git rev-parse HEAD`' | grep submodulenamegoeshere 09:26 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: what is a less dumb way of doing this? 09:57 -!- juri_ [~juri@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:57 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:57 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 < delinquentme> jrayhawk_, is gosu at git? 11:00 < delinquentme> TIL! 11:02 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.139.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22 -!- nsh [~lol@2001:41d0:8:c2da::1337] has quit [Changing host] 11:22 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:34 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 < archels> .title http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-06-optogenetic-whisker-space-holodrome-spike.html 11:37 < yoleaux> Optogenetic rendering of a whisker space holodrome with single spike precision 11:37 < archels> what the heck is a holodrome? 11:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45 < kanzure> "On June 6th 2013 guidance was issued, and it should have been disseminated to all personnel with access to classified government systems, which stated that viewing links on personally owned equipment was in no way restricted, and that on government and contractor-owned equipment the only step needed is to report the incident to one's SHO/SSO so that the equipment can be inspected. For further, more detailed, guidance read the message, ... 11:45 < kanzure> ... the title was "Security Reminder - Unauthorized Disclosures in the Press" and is an official policy. Nobody is losing their job because they watched a CCC talk or read a Guardian article." 11:45 < kanzure> neat 11:46 < kanzure> .title https://stribika.github.io/2015/01/04/secure-secure-shell.html 11:46 < yoleaux> Secure Secure Shell 11:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50 < fenn> wow important and actionable information from a security blog for once 12:52 < fenn> makes you wonder why there are only 8 modes 12:55 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:07 -!- JonTitor [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:09 < fenn> it would be nice if ssh just had a --really-secure option that disabled all this stuff 13:09 < kanzure> --really-secure-according-to-nsa 13:12 < fenn> you don't actually need to read any leaked documents to read/write that article 13:13 < fenn> the fact that these things are broken is public knowledge 13:22 -!- JonTitor [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 < kanzure> "A gram of dry DNA is about one cubic centimeter, so the radius is 0.0062 meters. So, the best DNA storage can do with those dimensions is 5.610^15 bits. A Bekenstein-bound storage device with those dimensions would store about 1.610^38 bits." 13:23 < kanzure> "A Bekenstein bound is Plank-level. Around 8mb per something like a volume of an electron." 13:33 < fenn> also it would weigh a lot 13:35 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:36 < fenn> .wa mass of 1 cc of neutronium in tonnes 13:36 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, no result! 13:36 < fenn> .wa neutronium 13:36 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, no result! 13:38 < fenn> .c 1cc*(4*10^17 kg/m^3) in tonnes 13:38 < yoleaux> convert 1 cm³ (cubic centimeter)×4×10¹⁷ kg/m³ (kilograms per cubic meter) to metric tons = 4×10⁸ t (metric tons) 13:43 < kanzure> "Second, I’d argue biology has historically been very theoretical. We developed a whole quantitative theory of genetics (Fisher, Wright, Haldane, …) before we had identified what a gene actually was. Hell, it was still debated what matter even looked like at that the microscale (where we knew genes must exist)! In the advent of molecular biology, Watson, Crick, Brenner, Gamow, Delbruck, et al, predicted through (some) experiments but ... 13:43 < kanzure> ... mostly reasoning and conjecture much of what was later found to be true about transcription/translation. There are countless other examples of where theory has driven the study of the origin of life, molecular biology, ecology, et cetera. Only recently, when health science started to dominate biological research, did biology become less theoretical and more focused on individual instances of problems. tl;dr – What’s most scary is ... 13:43 < kanzure> ... that we don’t even know what the foundational questions are anymore for modern biology, and no one seems to even care. Rather than focusing on clearly stated foundations, the field is guided by the latest trends in glamour journals, which tend to obfuscate questions rather than answer them." 13:45 < archels> glamour journals, haha 14:01 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:46 < kanzure> /topic flectere si nequeo superos, acheronta movebo 15:15 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: poohbear, shubhamgoyal, Viper168, thundara, bbrittain, yoleaux, bkero, kragen, lichen, archels, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 15:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pasky, thundara, dpk 15:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: shubhamgoyal 15:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bbrittain 15:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Viper168, Boscop, dvorkbjel, bkero, archels, kragen 15:23 -!- skyraider [uid41097@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkaqifckhbmvxiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24 -!- tigger_ 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##hplusroadmap 15:57 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20854811 15:57 < paperbot> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='libgen.org', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: /scimag/librarian/form.php (Caused by : [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) 15:57 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:58 < ebowden> paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014299910008836 16:00 -!- Evoril [~Evoril@86-45-222-8-dynamic.agg2.crw.prp-wtd.eircom.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:06 -!- Evoril [~Evoril@86-45-222-8-dynamic.agg2.crw.prp-wtd.eircom.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:21 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:26 -!- 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Pact) countries." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement 18:26 < kanzure> http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111244 18:32 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@173-228-1-246.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@CPE-124-187-233-200.lns2.dav.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 < kanzure> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html 19:51 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8848182 20:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:04 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-246-63.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 20:28 < kanzure> robosapiens are real http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs19/i/2007/275/e/1/Plane_lizard_by_MuddyTheFox.jpg 20:30 -!- agentsmith2 [~lolzilla@cpe-24-165-87-208.san.res.rr.com] has joined 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