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Making of the Computer Graphics for Star Wars (Episode IV) 06:21 < heath> tldw: manual labor 06:27 < heath> first i've heard of this: http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/JDB 06:28 < heath> it's similar to http://kx.com/ 06:28 < heath> but open 06:28 < kanzure> .title 06:28 < yoleaux> Big data analytics, time-series database | Kx Systems 06:29 < kanzure> influxdb does not seem to have indexes 06:32 < kanzure> this channel http://f.tqn.com/y/animatedtv/1/7/n/boys.jpg 06:33 < kanzure> but also http://www.actionplanet.com/VB-18.jpg so that's okay 06:35 -!- narwh4l [8dd611e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.214.17.232] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:53 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@118.189.209.93] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-94.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- narwh4l [8dd611e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.141.214.17.232] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:02 -!- yottabit [uid36770@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqbtpllfjvwgsrmp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - 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South Africa is selling 200 of them to protect animals from poachers" guys do we have rhino projects 10:37 < justanotheruser> rhinos seem like an awesome wealth symbol 10:37 < justanotheruser> There's only 200 of them, it's like living versace 10:39 < kanzure> hm 10:41 < justanotheruser> Maybe we should let a large corporation breed rhinos so they can sell their horns. Just require them to have 10 living rhinos at all times 10:41 < kanzure> kinda small population don't you think? 10:42 < justanotheruser> they could swap their rhinos with some in the wild every 2 generations 10:42 < kanzure> unfortunately the morons in charge of things decided to make it illegal to sell any elephant ivory (even from elephants grown in captivity) 10:42 < kanzure> so the only way to get fresh elephant ivory is to poach the wild elephants 10:43 < justanotheruser> yeah, it may be better just to give an incentive to create more elephants 10:43 < justanotheruser> pls make poaching_incentives.tek 10:48 < kanzure> .in 500h elephant poaching incentives 10:48 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll remind you on 4 Feb 2015 14:48Z 10:51 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:52 -!- skyraider [uid41097@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuguviaemctnjemk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfcxlxclvuukjrul] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:20 < cluckj> why not grow them in a dish? 11:22 < kanzure> rhinos? i dunno man 11:22 < cluckj> just some horn 11:25 < cluckj> might be more fun or interesting than artificially inseminating a rhino 11:25 < cluckj> and faster 11:28 < ParahSailin> well, chinese mysticism works by sympathetic magic rules, not science 11:28 < ParahSailin> so unless your dish has the property of being extremely virile and robust, then dish-grown horn is useless 11:28 < cluckj> hmm 11:28 < cluckj> maybe grow rhino dick and horn in the same dish? 11:29 < ParahSailin> if you want one that you can make in a dish, maybe try bear bile 11:29 < cluckj> the mental image of that is seriously hilarious 11:30 < kanzure> this channel http://f.tqn.com/y/animatedtv/1/7/n/boys.jpg 11:30 < cluckj> ^ 11:31 < heath> kanzure: not yet 11:36 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:37 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhZjQwHJFJY 11:37 < yoleaux> The Boys Never Died | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube 11:38 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NpsXS8bnHE 11:38 < yoleaux> Crocodile Attack | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube 11:40 < kanzure> "why did you bring a death ray to a peace conference?" "well it's not really a death ray" "it is an invention that can be used for great evil" "well you can technically say that about any technology" "well yes but in particular a death ray" "what did i just say?" classic dr. venture 11:48 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@gateway/tor-sasl/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:58 -!- yottabit [uid36770@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqbtpllfjvwgsrmp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:15 -!- skyraider [uid41097@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuguviaemctnjemk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:28 -!- map [~map@107.170.92.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 -!- map [~map@107.170.92.230] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Ex-Chat"] 13:58 -!- delinquentme [~dingo@162-245-22-166.v250d.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:05 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- Adnauseaum [~aj@41.33.238.165] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:30 -!- Boscop__ [~me@e102.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Boscop [me@178.73.223.191] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Boscop [me@178.73.223.191] has quit [Changing host] 14:33 -!- Boscop [me@unaffiliated/boscop] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:33 -!- Boscop_ [~me@46.246.114.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfcxlxclvuukjrul] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:36 -!- Boscop__ [~me@e102.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:49 < andytoshi> has anyone tried to give octopii exoskeletons and teach them to walk? 14:49 < andytoshi> (this is sorta a continuation of a convo on -wizards from several hours ago) 14:50 < kanzure> andytoshi: http://fennetic.net/irc/Neofin-thumb.jpg 14:51 < kanzure> generally not that many people have worked with octopus 14:51 < kanzure> a somewhat neglected species 14:53 < andytoshi> hmm, dolphins then .. i'm guessing because that's CGI and not a photo nobody built that thing 14:53 < andytoshi> octopus and jellyfish fascinate me 14:53 < andytoshi> (but maybe the magic would go away if i actually studied them) 14:54 -!- faceface [~dbolser@nat8021.ebi.ac.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:55 < faceface> hmm... why wasn't I in here already? 14:55 < kanzure> andytoshi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjToyA-iBug 14:56 < kanzure> andytoshi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHuTElRwmo 14:57 < kanzure> andytoshi: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/octopus/ 14:59 < andytoshi> eeeee!! 14:59 < andytoshi> so cool 14:59 < kanzure> since you can see their brain size while they are in eggs you can do directed evolution experiments where you choose octopus with larger brains 14:59 < kanzure> you just shine a flash light through the egg and you see everything 15:06 < nmz787_i> andytoshi: why exoskeletons, rather than endo? 15:08 < andytoshi> nmz787_i: easier to install 15:09 < kanzure> water maintenance requirements would be brutal 15:09 < kanzure> not impossible, but would require lot of equipment to be cleverly installed.... somewhere... 15:09 < kanzure> and then you need an interface 15:30 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjtahpdlnafobgep] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:42 < kragen> .g freshwater octopus 15:42 < yoleaux> http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/lost-tapes/creatures/oklahoma-octopus/ 15:42 < kragen> .g freshwater octopus intelligence 15:42 < yoleaux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus 15:43 < nmz787_i> kanzure: water maintenance 15:43 < nmz787_i> ? 15:44 < kanzure> they poop... a lot. 15:44 < nmz787_i> oh, you mean keeping one in a tank 15:44 < nmz787_i> I guess I interpreted andytoshi's comment as 'GMO the hell out of an octopus and let them have rights like people' 15:48 < kanzure> exoskeletons can still involve water 15:50 < nmz787_i> andytoshi: were you not talking about a GMO exoskeleton? 15:50 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/insert-name/insert-name-dj-mix-nov-14 15:51 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:10 < nmz787_i> hmm 16:10 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx 16:10 < yoleaux> Monsanto | Myth: Monsanto Sells Terminator Seeds 16:32 -!- narwh4l [~michael@unaffiliated/thesnark] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:38 < kanzure> hehe i should have my paper server return pdfs with subtly wrong math proofs 16:39 < kanzure> any paper that has some math in it, just modify it a little bit- add some wrong constants, symbols not referenced in the paper, etc. 16:39 < kanzure> this could be done automatically on the fly 16:40 < kanzure> i suppose doing the same but with wikipedia would be more interesting, and then serve up wrong results to different countries 16:42 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 < andytoshi> nmz787_i: i was thinking we'd build exoskeletons and wire them into the octopus nerves when they were babies or something (and yes, it occured to me how hard water maintenance would be) 16:45 < andytoshi> but yes, presuming they learned to communicate and build stuff like the rest of us, we would have to afford them rights 16:45 < nmz787_i> oh, I always just assume GMO :) 16:46 < kanzure> andytoshi: you would just communicate visually or by touch, instead of surgery 16:47 < kanzure> so basically: aquarium + wheels 16:48 < nmz787_i> what's the point of learning to walk if they still need water? 16:48 < nmz787_i> I think andytoshi was talking about wiring up the exoskeleton for the octopu 16:49 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:03 -!- Adnauseaum [~aj@41.33.238.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:25 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-16-141-71.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-87-243-151.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- narwh4l [~michael@unaffiliated/thesnark] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19 < kanzure> http://cirqoid.com/ "Cirqoid is a printed circuit board prototyping machine ... Cirqoid can do insulation milling of your PCB (aka mechanical etching), drill holes, dispense solder paste and even populate the board with SMD components." 18:19 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8888688 18:19 < yoleaux> Cirqoid – printed circuit board prototyping machine | Hacker News 18:28 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.55.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:38 < bbrittain> creative commons ran out of money, fired 1/3 of it's staff :( 18:41 < kanzure> what was it using that staff for? 18:42 < bbrittain> lawyers 18:46 < kragen> that is a bummer 18:59 < justanotheruser> How is that different from a CNC machine? 18:59 < kanzure> pick-and-place 19:01 < justanotheruser> I didn't get far enough in the video either to see it dispenses paste 19:01 < kanzure> justanotheruser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o&t=70s 19:01 < cluckj> http://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/2sfyu7/i_just_finished_soldering_this_yesterday_my_watch/ 19:02 < cluckj> I need this. 19:03 < justanotheruser> kanzure: is this real time? 19:04 < kanzure> real time is best time 19:04 < kanzure> yeah 19:04 < kanzure> that video is practically therapeutic 19:04 < justanotheruser> I'm guessing that's got a nice pricetag on it? 19:06 < kanzure> >$20k usually 19:06 < kanzure> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUKI-FX3RAL-FX3-High-Speed-Pick-and-Place-2013-60k-CPH-SMT-JAS-/281561438516?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418e5e9934 19:06 < kanzure> $100k motorized feeder part http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-pick-and-place-equipment-SS-8MM-smt-motorized-feeder-KHJ-MC100-000-2-/321399229124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad4e30ac4 19:06 < justanotheruser> thats actually about an order of magnitude less than my guess 19:06 < kanzure> of course, these aren't anywhere near $100k in parts 19:07 < kanzure> this is ebay, so it's probably used or something 19:07 < kanzure> companies are probably paying >$1M or something silly (support, service, maintenance, repairs, insurance, training, ....) 19:07 < justanotheruser> I need more toys 19:07 < justanotheruser> but I can't pay $180k for one :P 19:08 < kanzure> right, if you go through life paying $1M for every piece of equipment, you run out of money pretty uqick 19:08 < kanzure> so really the right way to do this is to just bootstrap your own ability to make these machines yourself 19:08 < kanzure> a good machine shop is not going to cost you millions of bucks to make 19:09 < kanzure> and you pretty quickly get to the point where you can make stuff that in parts costs you <$5k but would have been priced at $200k on the market or some shit :( 19:12 < justanotheruser> how much do fablab.yaml and techshop.yaml cost? 19:12 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[1] 19:13 < kanzure> impossible to know because nobody publishes prices 19:14 < kanzure> but uh, ask fenn 19:14 < kanzure> he might remember 19:15 < nmz787> any ideas on how to increase user-base/community/usage of www.takeitapart.com ? 19:16 < nmz787> so far most inquiries have been regarding in-real-life support, usually of groups of kids, for taking stuff apart 19:17 < kanzure> pay some security people (people that do reverse engineering magic) to write (exclusive) blog posts 19:18 < kanzure> er by exclusive i mean they wont paste their content on their own blog 19:18 < kanzure> i mean, they won't strip the references to takeitapart.com 19:19 < kanzure> for reference go look at the upverter blog or something, i don't know 19:19 < kanzure> or the octopart blog 19:22 < cluckj> has anyone in here run a wixel off of usb-otg? 19:23 < justanotheruser> kanzure: fenn followed that exactly? 19:25 < kanzure> i don't remember the details, but i'm pretty sure he has put a lot of thought into answering that exact question ("how do i get this stuff?") 19:28 < nmz787> cluckj: have you seen the esp8266? 19:29 < cluckj> no 19:29 < nmz787> $5 wifi module with MCU 19:29 < cluckj> the hack right now is set up for a particular BLE module 19:29 < cluckj> sweet 19:29 < nmz787> I am working on an nRF8001 now 19:29 < nmz787> for BLE 19:30 < cluckj> I need to locate the developer 19:30 < nmz787> I was also looking at the lbm313, which is just a packaged TI CC2540 19:30 < nmz787> it also has an MCU 19:30 < nmz787> but being a TI MCU... it is a major PITA to use 19:30 < nmz787> so most people end up hooking an arduino up to it 19:30 < nmz787> such a horrific computer tragedy 19:31 < nmz787> but I guess TI is mostly responsible 19:31 < cluckj> that esp8266 is low enough power to run off the wixel 19:33 < cluckj> but if the wixel can run off of usb-otg, it doesn't need bluetooth 19:35 < cluckj> the hack is basically a translator into bluetooth for a wireless signal put off by the implanted glucose sensor 19:35 < nmz787> hmm? 19:36 < nmz787> so the sensor doesn't speak bluetooth 19:36 < nmz787> ? 19:36 < cluckj> https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/DexDrip 19:36 < nmz787> oh, I was just there but didn't look closely 19:36 < cluckj> not yet, the next generation sensor will....but who knows when that will happen (thanks FDA) 19:37 < nmz787> https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/DexDrip/blob/gh-pages/hardware_setup.md 19:37 < cluckj> yes 19:37 < nmz787> so the wixel doesn't seem to do bluetooth 19:38 < nmz787> just general 2.4GHz 19:38 < cluckj> yes 19:38 < cluckj> the sensor transmits at some subfrequencies in 2.4Ghz 19:38 < nmz787> can you tell if they are the same as on the nrf2401? 19:39 < nmz787> cause if so... you will save a lot of headache probably to just mash this up http://playground.arduino.cc/InterfacingWithHardware/Nrf2401 19:39 < cluckj> probably 19:40 < nmz787> maybe I'm wrong, but this seems to be the main wixel code loop https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/wixel-DexDrip/blob/master/apps/dexdrip/dexdrip.c#L348 19:40 < nmz787> print_packet(&Pkt); is my guess for what sends it out the bluetooth 19:40 < cluckj> 2.424999877 Ghz, 2.4499936677 Ghz, 2.474737539 Ghz, 2.477236919 Ghz, according to the manual 19:42 < cluckj> the nrf2401 doesn't have a microcontroller on it, and the wixel doesn't have BT on it 19:42 < cluckj> hah 19:42 < nmz787> yeah 19:42 < nmz787> but an arduino mini goes for $2 on aliexpress, $10 sparkfun 19:43 < cluckj> a different BT transceiver would definitely make it smaller and lower powered 19:43 < nmz787> and nordic makes the nrf8001 ble module 19:43 < cluckj> true 19:43 < nmz787> I have two in front of me now... haven't powered them up yet 19:43 < nmz787> I paid $18 on ebay and $20 from adafruit 19:44 < nmz787> aliexpress has them for $5 19:44 < cluckj> nice 19:44 < nmz787> and also that esp8266 is $5, if you'd like wifi data instead 19:44 < nmz787> heh 19:44 < nmz787> checkmybloodsugarlevel.com 19:44 < cluckj> the wifi on the phone will only connect to one thing at a time 19:44 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjtahpdlnafobgep] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:45 < nmz787> yeah 19:45 < cluckj> BT is better 19:45 < nmz787> someone on hackaday was commenting to get some mesh network stuff going in the SoC arena 19:46 < nmz787> $5 MCU+mesh would be awesome... hook that to a small battery and solar panel for another 10 or 15, add a 5 temp+humidity sensor 19:46 < nmz787> 5$ 19:46 < cluckj> wunderground on steroids 19:46 < nmz787> channel spacing on nrf2401 is 1MHz 19:46 < nmz787> my buddy has a farm with a big fence 19:47 < nmz787> so I've been thinking of security systems 19:47 < cluckj> lol 19:47 < nmz787> he also has an electric fence, which has a remote that can interact with the controller at the barn 19:47 < nmz787> to turn the fence on or off 19:48 < kanzure> how about a camera on a giant pole 19:49 < nmz787> yeah, but then he needs mesh or something to pipe it back to him 19:49 < cluckj> they make wifi security cameras 19:49 < nmz787> or some long ass wire or fiber optic 19:49 < nmz787> problem is in forested and non-line-of-sight wifi doesn't make it too far 19:49 < nmz787> so he could need a lot of mesh points 19:50 < strages> arcnet over the fence wire 19:50 < nmz787> yeah, I just started looking that up 19:52 < nmz787> .title http://www.google.com/patents/US5651025 19:52 < yoleaux> Patent US5651025 - Method and apparatus pertaining to communication along an electric fence line - Google Patents 19:56 < cluckj> nmz787, the wixel probably does <1Mhz 19:58 < nmz787> 250kHz 19:58 < nmz787> err 19:58 < nmz787> wait 19:58 < nmz787> they also say 750 and 1MHz 19:58 < cluckj> hmmmmm 19:58 < nmz787> a 19:59 < nmz787> it is selectable 19:59 < nmz787> more bandwidth needs higher spacing 19:59 < nmz787> min is 250kHz tho 19:59 < nmz787> when you posted about 'the manual' 19:59 < cluckj> sensor transmitter is 334.7kHz bandwidth 19:59 < nmz787> was that from the sensor? 20:00 < cluckj> yeah 20:00 < nmz787> well the TI doc says for 250kbaud you need 750kHz spacing 20:00 < nmz787> and for 500kbaud you need 1MHz 20:01 < cluckj> the tx rate is around 50kb 20:02 < nmz787> what was 334.7 then? you said bandwidth 20:02 < nmz787> hrmm 20:02 < cluckj> the hacked receiver must just be luckily picking up one of the four tx frequencies the sensor is sending 20:03 < nmz787> the numbers you posted are ~25 MHz apart 20:04 < nmz787> there is some compensation/adjust in the frequency with certain protocols it seems 20:04 < cluckj> yes 20:05 < nmz787> yeah I guess they're the same then 20:05 < nmz787> ISM 20:06 < cluckj> k 20:07 < cluckj> the sensor probably sends at four different frequencies to avoid interference 20:09 < cluckj> eh, too sleepy to think about this anymore...I'll track down the developer tomorrow to see what's up 20:09 < cluckj> goodnight 20:09 < nmz787> night 20:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:31 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:42 < fenn> cluckj: too bad glucowatch didn't make it to market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Inc#How_the_GlucoWatch_Works 20:42 < fenn> i thought it used LEDs to measure the glucose concentration, actually 20:47 < nmz787> just got the sparkfun oled module to run on an edison 20:47 < fenn> justanotheruser: i think i remember someone saying the boston fablab spent about $750k on tools and materials, and techshop something like $2million, but they are bad at acquiring stuff and solved problems by throwing money at them (and wasted a bunch probably) 20:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48 < kanzure> and $2 million didn't get them the really fun stuff anyway 20:48 < kanzure> "look at our over-priced totally broken laser cutter! schedule reserved until may 2018" 20:48 < fenn> the waterjet was pretty expensive i bet 20:48 < nmz787> 40W lasers are now like $400-600 20:48 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:49 < fenn> justanotheruser: i think i remember someone saying the boston fablab spent about $750k on tools and materials, and techshop something like $2million, but they are bad at acquiring stuff and solved problems by throwing money at them (and wasted a bunch probably) 20:54 < abetusk> I've been keeping a watch on those cheapo Chinese 40W laser cutters, and they're in the $600 range last time I checked 20:56 < fenn> just imagine it's a kit project and you won't be disappointed 20:57 < kanzure> i don't think those would be able to handle the sort of workloads that techshop goes through in a popular area 20:57 < kanzure> like 10 hours/day of use, i would imagine 20:58 < kanzure> perhaps this explains the perpetually scheduled, perpetually under-repair laser cutters plaguing hackerspaces everywhere 20:58 < nmz787> I've aligned a chinese CO2 laser once, it wasn't too bad 20:59 < nmz787> for high-use I think proper exhaust ventilation to keep the optics as clear as possible would be prudent 20:59 < kanzure> a lot of the hackerspace emails i get are about dirty mirrors and dirty optics from broken laser cutters -_- 21:00 < abetusk> What is the issue with the high work loads? Cooling and good venting for optic cleanliness? Or is there another reason they can't handle it? 21:00 < nmz787> if you don't have some liquid crystal sheet, you can use old thermal paper from receipts, but a lc sheet is much better 21:00 < nmz787> but it isn't easy to align them 21:01 < nmz787> so anything needing replaced needs some TLC 21:01 < nmz787> the first time is probably the hardest though 21:02 < kanzure> i think there's also some calibration issues that happen when people pick up and then replace the mirrors 21:02 < kanzure> s/replace/re-insert 21:02 < nmz787> well yeah, you need to re-align the whole system 21:02 < nmz787> or at least anything downbeam of that component 21:04 < abetusk> $600 is about the range where I'd be willing to take a chance. I was thinking of swapping out the guts with a smoothieboard 21:05 < nmz787> might be able to get one without controls 21:05 < abetusk> hmm, never considered it...you have an idea of where to look? 21:06 < nmz787> aliexpress 21:07 < kanzure> .g aliexpress 40w laser cutter 21:07 < yoleaux> http://www.aliexpress.com/cheap/cheap-40w-laser-engraver.html 21:09 < kanzure> .gc site:kickstarter.com "laser cutter" "open source" 21:09 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.gc) crashed. 21:09 < kanzure> .gc site:kickstarter.com "laser cutter" "open source" 21:09 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, that command (.gc) crashed. 21:09 < kanzure> hmph 21:09 < nmz787> aliexpress may have some with smoothieboards 21:09 < nmz787> the 405nm laser etcher i bought used OSH 21:10 < kanzure> abetusk: also there's some neato DLP 3d printers if you're willing to splurge, although in parts you can probably do it cheaper 21:11 < abetusk> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CO2-LASER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-W-COOLING-FAN-40W-LASER-TUBE-THIRD-GENERATION/331106809224?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D2c9aa7d74e984047b4cd2a7467e5614e%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D23%26sd%3D181623338942 21:12 < abetusk> kanzure, on aliexpress? 21:12 < kanzure> dunno 21:14 < abetusk> I see one for $2150... 21:36 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-94.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-94.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-94.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d172-218-204-94.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:54 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:57 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@118.189.209.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:16 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/scott-bond/scott-bond-bbc-radio-1 22:34 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/2nmslr/android_gbgbc_emulator_accuracy_testing_results/ 22:46 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:04 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:09 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:21 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:23 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23 -!- shubhamg_ [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- shubhamg_ [~shubhamgo@84-37.comp.nus.edu.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50 -!- pete4242 [~smuxi@boole.london.hackspace.org.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52 -!- shubhamgoyal [~shubhamgo@nusnet-228-32.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:55 -!- ErikBjare [~ErikBjare@unaffiliated/erikbjare] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Jan 15 00:00:24 2015