--- Log opened Tue Feb 24 00:00:03 2015 00:18 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:44 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- dvorkbjel [~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:51 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:06 -!- soylentb1mb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:23 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:38 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.18.114.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:29 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.18.114.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:55 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:21 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:32 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:37 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-68-230.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:50 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2.149.143.171.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:54 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-57-55-138.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:11 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-57-55-138.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:14 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-57-55-138.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 < JayDugger> ... 06:19 < kanzure> yeah... 06:23 < chris_99> kanzure, seen this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead 06:29 < kanzure> ha. 06:44 < justanotheruser> kanzure: does kragen come around here anymore 06:45 < kanzure> apparently not 06:45 < kanzure> he's around in #swhack 06:45 < kanzure> here is a good interview about current global economics and stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGzfxHcbMA 06:45 < kanzure> high recommend 06:45 < justanotheruser> what 06:45 < justanotheruser> Swhack! We know. Like penises. 06:46 < kanzure> their topic changes 06:47 < justanotheruser> kanzure: why was I told that this was a private channel upon entering? 06:47 < kanzure> i have no idea 06:48 < justanotheruser> is it a super seecrit club 06:48 < kanzure> no 06:52 < justanotheruser> this channel is weird 06:54 < kanzure> yeah.... when i need help identifying a unicode character, they are the people to ask. 07:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:26 < kanzure> "As a Fermi explanation black holes are essentially identical to quiet M-brains. It requires strong cultural convergence, plus that the value of communicating with an exterior spacetime always becomes less than the value of computation, plus that one can do a non-neglible amount of computation on the inside." 07:26 < kanzure> "Seth Lloyd's ultimate laptop paper analysed computing right at the Bekenstein edge; that would likely be pretty visible since it runs "hot". http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9908043 Now, if you can make wormholes or more complex topologies things get real fun... but I suspect the result is a blob of smart Planck density stuff indistinguishable from Planckscale noise." 07:27 < kanzure> "Ultimate physical limits to computation" http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9908043v3.pdf 07:29 < kanzure> "Closed Timelike Curves Make Quantum and Classical Computing Equivalent" http://arxiv.org/pdf/0808.2669v1.pdf 07:43 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:49 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:19 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29 -!- the8thbit|work [~8bit@66.186.100.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:35 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:01 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-wfzzowhopemcfryf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:02 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:05 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-68-230.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:32 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocvefcnptsbkrams] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:37 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:39 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Quit: deprecated] 09:50 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:25 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.technologynetworks.com/HTS/news.aspx?ID=175151 10:25 < yoleaux> Biomolecular Screening - The Online Scientific Community - News 10:26 < nmz787_i> .title https://www6.slac.stanford.edu/news/2015-02-17-study-could-pave-way-painkillers-fewer-side-effects.aspx 10:26 < yoleaux> Study Could Pave the Way for Painkillers with Fewer Side Effects | SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory 10:26 < nmz787_i> real link^ 11:00 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:29 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-wfzzowhopemcfryf] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:48 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 11:53 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:00 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@host-37-191-195-228.lynet.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:31 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@host-37-191-195-228.lynet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:26 < kanzure> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.3284 13:26 < yoleaux> [1406.3284] Deep Neural Networks Rival the Representation of Primate IT Cortex for Core Visual Object Recognition 13:26 < kanzure> "And consider intelligence: it is generally thought that the human brain is largely self-similar (the same structures can be observed throughout the cortex, repeated in layers and columns) and therefore very simple from an information-theoretic point of view. You could express what it does using very little information, or code. The closest we have to an artificial visual cortex, deep convolutional neural networks (shown to have a ... 13:26 < kanzure> ... representational power equivalent to the primate visual cortex [1]), can be implemented in just a couple hundred lines of CUDA code. Just because a system is hard to understand does not mean it has to be complicated, or that it requires a lot of code (DNA or otherwise) to implement." 13:27 < kanzure> hmm. "equivalent representational power to primate visual cortex". 13:27 < kanzure> what is a "representational power"? 13:30 < archels> be careful, that opens up a real can of worms 13:30 < archels> this is akin to planes not flying like birds do 13:36 < kanzure> but they don't.. 13:37 < kanzure> well, most planes, anyway 13:37 < kanzure> all the planes i can name. 13:37 < maaku> well lift exceeds gravity in both cases :P 13:38 < kanzure> true that. and they both seem to do things in the sky. 13:39 < maaku> kanzure: but representational power is a qualitative concept for how easy it is to formalize a problem within the system 13:39 < kanzure> is it? i don't know what the term is, really. 13:40 < maaku> maybe a programming language analogy is best... 13:40 < kanzure> primate visual cortex, i know at minimum, does various visual feature recognition things. 13:40 < kanzure> it also does other things though 13:40 < maaku> technically if a language is turing complete you could do any form of computation 13:40 < kanzure> even if it did only visual feature recognition things, i still don't know what representational power means here 13:40 < maaku> but some languages make it 'easier' to do some things than others 13:40 < maaku> you could technically write anything in brainfuck. i'm not sure i'd want to though, even though brainfuck is technically more expressive than c++ 13:41 < maaku> so in most cases c++ has more representational power than brainfuck because it's easier to structure large complex programs and reason about them 13:43 < maaku> you can quantify this with some sort of metric over average program length or somesuch, but I'm not sure any of the methods I've seen proposed are really all that great 13:44 < maaku> I think this paper is saying that deep neural nets are a better fit to the problem of visual object recognition than the relevant portions of actual primate brains 13:44 < maaku> which may be true 13:46 -!- justanotheruser 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it's an extension of the old notion of a 'capacity' of a neural network 14:06 < archels> for example, in a Hopfield net, how many different patterns it can store 14:07 < archels> the Bayesian crowd probably has a more exact definition in terms of probability distributions, but I can't find anything off the bat 14:08 < kanzure> oh. 14:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:51 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.17.203.207.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:55 -!- 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