--- Log opened Wed Feb 25 00:00:04 2015 00:13 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 00:28 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxcpcnxaronrylge] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:58 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:41 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:03 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:26 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:34 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:00 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-42-135.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-42-135.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 04:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-42-135.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:24 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:08 < fenn> "Statistics Professors HATE Him! Doctor's discovery revealed the secret to learning any problem with just 10 training samples. Watch this shocking video and learn how rapidly you can find a solution to your learning problems using this one sneaky kernel trick!" http://www.oneweirdkerneltrick.com 05:11 < archels> hahaha 05:11 < chris_99> haha some of the pdfs are awesome 05:23 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:23 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:27 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.17.232.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:27 < fenn> omg i want "deep cat basis" http://media.catmoji.com/post/viin/best-way-to-organize-your-cats.jpg 05:28 < chris_99> lol 05:59 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:05 < cluckj> cat stackin' 06:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:18 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:35 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:01 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:34 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 < kanzure> nsa data center is actually a giant operation to detect time travelers 07:42 < kanzure> "10 bits of entropy should be enough for anyone" 07:42 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )] 07:58 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:18 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:31 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-42-135.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:04 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ctjuwukbpayqwyka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:21 < kanzure> http://stoprobotabuse.com/ 09:30 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.88.71.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:33 < maaku> kanzure: ah but why not program robots to like it? 09:33 < kanzure> or non-preference, even 09:51 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:00 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:10 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11 < nmz787_i> is that just a PR scheme by Boston Dynamics? 10:11 < nmz787_i> maaku: seems those robots don't have any sort of programming for that now anyway 10:11 < nmz787_i> that isn't a robotic characteristic as much as one of AI 10:12 < maaku> nmz787_i: i'm sure this is a joke by someone at boston dynamics 10:12 < maaku> and sadly few people are able to make that (correct) distinction :( 10:12 < chris_99> nmz787_i, did you order some of those ToF chips btw? 10:14 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:19 < kanzure> yes it's probably PR 10:20 < kanzure> (especially because it says so) 10:24 -!- Jaakko9114 [~Jaakko@host81-129-141-155.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.88.71.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:30 < nmz787_i> chris_99: nah, been too busy with work and class lately 10:30 < chris_99> aha, i think i'm gonna try and interface to it with the RPi, to start with, as i need to log the data from it 10:30 < nmz787_i> been tinkering with BRLCAD a bit, trying to create a python version of kanzures spiral.pl code, but with the ability to use arbitrary channel profiles rather than just a square cross-section 10:31 < chris_99> spiral.pl? 10:32 < kanzure> you and genehacker would get along very well, i'm telling you 10:32 < kanzure> originally i wrote spiral.pl because genehacker asked me to (or something) 10:32 < kanzure> we were involved in some microfluidic shenanigans 10:34 < nmz787_i> hah, there is a website spiral.pl 10:34 < kanzure> anyway spirals are his shape of choice 10:35 < kanzure> if anyone ever makes a hexagonal cross section spiral, we're doomed 10:35 < nmz787_i> chris_99: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Spiral 10:35 < nmz787_i> I screwed something up with the rotate command and it made a very interesting 3D spiraling shape 10:35 < chris_99> heh cool 10:36 < nmz787_i> I saved-as that file because it was such an interesting output 10:39 < nmz787_i> kanzure: i don't understand why your spiral.pl script was running mged multiple times... why didn't you just assemble your complete list of commands and execute mged once. It seems you were trying to avoid running mged for each command.... but I don't get why you chose 100 commands per 'chunk' rather than just queuing them all. 10:39 < nmz787_i> to catch intermediate errors? 10:40 < kanzure> hmm. i don't remember. perhaps i wasn't aware of mged file input. 10:42 < kanzure> i also don't remember why i used repeating extruded cross sections 10:42 < kanzure> which is clearly the wrong way to do this 10:43 < nmz787_i> I haven't done any of the center subtraction, since I assume the whole extrusion will be the channel or etch area 10:43 < kanzure> i think the right way to do this is a 2d sketch of a spiral, then copy and translate a few units horizontal or whatever, then extrude. 10:43 < nmz787_i> then you can't get parabolic cross-sections though I think 10:44 < nmz787_i> I'd thought of using a method like that 10:44 < kanzure> like this: 10:44 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD2HvLbAjIs&t=30s 10:44 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-155-23.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 < kanzure> .title 10:45 < yoleaux> rolled/spiral cylinder in sheet metal solidworks - YouTube 10:45 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0UogBXF1h4 10:45 < yoleaux> screw compressor animation - YouTube 10:45 < nmz787_i> yeah need some more time to think about how to get arbitrary cross-sections 10:46 < nmz787_i> have also been playing with the involute gear equations trying to get some nice gears 10:46 < kanzure> other spiral thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rZfxtADWI 10:46 < kanzure> .title 10:46 < yoleaux> solidworks spiral horlogerie - YouTube 10:48 < kanzure> sometimes stalkmatrix has really bizarre omissions. for example, according to this data, i have never talked with anyone about mged. but that doesn't make sense... 10:51 -!- nmz787_i [nmccorkx@nat/intel/x-ctjuwukbpayqwyka] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:56 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-173-66-5-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:00 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:00 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-173-66-5-164.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:00 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:01 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01 < kanzure> dingo: welcome back 11:06 < dingo> yeah thanks 11:06 < yoleaux> 26 Dec 2014 22:56Z dingo: are doi numbers ever deprecated? 11:07 < dingo> there is an unregistration process for when mistakes are made 11:07 < dingo> but generally not 11:07 < dingo> lol that was a long time ago 11:08 < dingo> if i recall you would submit "DOI is superceded by .." 11:08 < dingo> and then they would do a sort of redirect 11:09 < kanzure> ha 11:21 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:28 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:33 < kanzure> bbrittain: are you around? 11:34 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:53 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:09 < nmz787_i> the upside of animals vs microbes seems to me that animals have immune systems and other good control systems.... like fish farming is still economical even though it seems that their living conditions are gross, their immune systems and filtration systems are able to deal with it and still produce decent tasting product. Now whether the environmental stressors impress negative nutritional aspects, idk... that may be a jrayhawk 12:09 < nmz787_i> question. 12:11 < nmz787_i> saw one of these yesterday on the highway... looks a LOT nicer than their weird mini-SUV thing http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/i/i8/2014/showroom/ 12:11 < nmz787_i> .title 12:11 < yoleaux> BMW i8 12:11 < nmz787_i> $137k 12:13 < nmz787_i> "powerful plug-in hybrid system with the combination of BMW eDrive technology and a BMW TwinPower Turbo 1.5-litre, 3-cylinder petrol engine brings together the benefits of an electric motor and a petrol engine to produce an outstanding driving experience." 12:13 < nmz787_i> lol, 3-cyl sports car 12:22 < nmz787_i> 112 MPG 12:27 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:7db7:be6d:bca:6f9e] has quit [Quit: bbl] 12:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:30 -!- NCC-A2 [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- Mariu [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30 -!- NCC-A2 [~~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Client Quit] 12:31 < chris_99> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181231234005?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 12:31 < chris_99> hydrogen fuel cell apparently ^ 12:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:44 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 < archels> the paper of the day is: An investigation of the neural substrates of mind wandering induced by viewing traditional Chinese landscape paintings 13:16 -!- xekc [~xekc@054665d8.skybroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- _TK_ [~TK@82.131.17.232.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:31 < kanzure> "Coming up soon, a planning meeting for the 2015 Bay Area DIY Bio iGEM team. Be thinking of ideas and get the word out. This will be a joint project open to all the bay area bio hacker spaces. More info to come." 13:32 < kanzure> we should tell them to do our work for us 13:32 < kanzure> quick, think of a thing 13:47 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has quit [] 13:52 -!- xekc_ [~xekc@054665d8.skybroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- xekc [~xekc@054665d8.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:56 -!- xekc_ is now known as xekc 14:15 < kanzure> "DonglePi is a device that gives you a Raspberry Pi P1 compatible connector for your PC." https://github.com/gbin/DonglePi 14:18 < kanzure> "deanonymizing alt.anonymous.messages" https://ritter.vg/p/AAM-defcon13.pdf 14:22 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 < jrayhawk> nmz787_i: an inversion of the expensive tissue hypothesis comes to mind; the more energy an animal has dedicated to digestion, the more robust its survival capacity is in adverse conditions 14:24 < cluckj> kanzure, I moved to philadelphia...boston is kinda far away now :( 14:27 < cluckj> also ping heath and bbrittain on ^ 14:27 < jrayhawk> for certain definitions of adverse 14:30 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:48 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-155-23.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-246-63.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:11 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:13 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:13 -!- Beatzebub_ [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:16 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d162-156-12-57.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:16 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:17 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:19 -!- CharlieNobody [~CharlieNo@97-85-246-63.static.stls.mo.charter.com] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 15:30 -!- xekc [~xekc@054665d8.skybroadband.com] has quit [Quit: xekc] 15:35 -!- Proteus1 [~Proteus@67-3-189-173.omah.qwest.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- Proteus [~Proteus@unaffiliated/proteus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:52 < cluckj> fuck, it's already 7pm 15:56 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@134.134.137.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:04 < kanzure> yep 16:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:19 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:20 < maaku> somewhere in the world 16:20 < maaku> everynow and then I'm like "fuck, it's already 2015" 16:21 < kanzure> hmm i could have sworn it was 2023 16:26 -!- Burn_ is now known as Burninate 16:27 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:27 < kanzure> .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7128 16:27 < yoleaux> [1312.7128] Searching the Internet for evidence of time travelers 16:49 < cluckj> I've just burned away most of the day dissertating 16:55 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:01 < kanzure> cluckj: defending? 17:10 < bbrittain> kanzure: around now 17:10 * bbrittain assumes email already said the thing 17:10 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:11 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 < delinquentme> What do they call the piping internally within a fabbed CPU ? Like *JUST* the metal thats put down to route signals 17:11 < fenn> wires 17:12 < fenn> or "interconnects" if you're a dork 17:14 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_interconnect 17:14 < kanzure> bbrittain: email says the thing 17:14 < kanzure> bbrittain: you are quite hard to stalk. couldn't find your phone number. found someone named will, though. 17:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:19 -!- nmz787_i [~nmccorkx@192.55.54.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:20 < cluckj> kanzure, no, writing 17:20 < kanzure> would you like me to shit all over it? 17:21 < cluckj> that would be a big pile of shit on another pile of shit, man 17:21 < kanzure> now you have two problems? k 17:21 -!- drazak [~bleh@198.52.199.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21 < cluckj> or one bigger one D: 17:40 < cluckj> I was trying to work out this expertise stuff and it's kinda garbage because it's based on notes of books and articles I read a while ago 17:40 < cluckj> I have to go back and read the original source material again, unfortunately 17:41 < kanzure> cluckj: the only thing you need to know about expertise is that it's bullshit 17:42 < cluckj> yes, that is essentially what I am saying in this part :) 17:42 -!- DumpsterD1ver [~loki@50.242.254.38] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:42 < kanzure> i thought there was a good feynman quote about this but wikiquote doesn't have it, which is strange.. it's like the only good thing he ever said. 17:43 < cluckj> there's an extensive literature about expertise in my discipline, and none of it works well with DIY stuff 17:43 < kanzure> a bunch of people aren't incentivized to poo over the concept of expertise/authority because it's an entirely self-defeating position 17:44 < kanzure> well i mean, in public. when communicating with others. 17:44 < cluckj> hah 17:45 < cluckj> "aren't incentivized" is a really kind way to put it 17:45 < kanzure> this is my "try being nice" week 17:45 < cluckj> expertise/authority is tied up with power of all sorts 17:45 < cluckj> economic, social, political 17:46 < cluckj> my criticism of it is that it's conceptualized as some quantity of (knowledge, authority, credentials) located in an individual 17:46 < kanzure> i suspect zooko might have some good philosophy rants about this since he's so attached to the name "least authority" 17:47 < cluckj> what I'm trying to suggest is that we (my discipline) should rethink it as something performative 17:47 < cluckj> expertise is something you do, rather than something you have 17:49 < kanzure> maybe it's meaningless (when not used in the bullying capacity) 17:50 < kanzure> it's not your job to defend terrible ideas 17:50 < cluckj> hah 17:51 < cluckj> I'm not defending expertise as a noun, I'm suggesting it works better as a verb 17:53 < kanzure> maybe something like "clever-and-not-completely-wasteful applied effort" 17:54 < cluckj> that's pretty close 17:54 < cluckj> it's really about what you can _do_ in the DIY settings I work in 17:57 < cluckj> s/I/we, I guess 18:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:08 < bbrittain> kanzure: inability to find phone number is positive. 18:09 < bbrittain> people may contact me through email, IRC, & twitter. 18:10 < nmz787> I already started sending will's # to all the autodialers I know of 18:10 < nmz787> (the only ones I can think of exist in cartoons) 18:11 < nmz787> s/ones/one/ 18:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:24 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:33 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-226-169-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-89-180-17.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:44 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:55 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxcpcnxaronrylge] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:43 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:26 -!- [nsh] [~ubuntu@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-224-31-169.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-89-180-17.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:56 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:10 -!- Jaakko9114 [~Jaakko@host81-129-141-155.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:15 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:16 < kanzure> genehacker: yo 21:18 < genehacker> yo 21:18 < genehacker> I want an STM 21:18 < kanzure> alright put it on my debit card 21:18 < genehacker> and some molecular tweezers 21:19 < genehacker> so I can build up metal organic frameworks linker by linker 21:19 < genehacker> IN 3D! 21:19 < kanzure> molecular tweezers are just optical traps, right? 21:21 < justanotheruser> I assume you have seen http://www.e-basteln.de/ 21:21 < genehacker> no they're molecules 21:21 < justanotheruser> terribly outdated though, he uses some super old board for phones or something 21:21 < justanotheruser> Motorola DSP 56002 21:22 < kanzure> .wik molecular tweezer 21:22 < yoleaux> "Molecular tweezers, and molecular clips, are noncyclic host molecules with open cavities capable of binding guest molecules. The term "molecular tweezers" was first used by Howard J. Whitlock, but the class of hosts was developed and popularized by Steven C." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_tweezer 21:22 < justanotheruser> the hardware is neat though 21:22 < kanzure> .wik optical trap 21:22 < yoleaux> "Optical tweezers (originally called "single-beam gradient force trap") are scientific instruments that use a highly focused laser beam to provide an attractive or repulsive force (typically on the order of piconewtons), depending on the refractive index mismatch to physically hold and move microscopic dielectric objects similar to tweezers." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_trap 21:23 < kanzure> .wik atom holography 21:23 < yoleaux> "An atom laser is a coherent state of propagating atoms. They are created out of a Bose–Einstein condensate of atoms that are output coupled using various techniques." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_laser 21:27 < kanzure> genehacker: nmz787 has been working on that spiral microfluidic design generator i wrote in 2008 21:27 < genehacker> optical trap is too big 21:38 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:55 -!- lichen [~lichen@c-50-139-11-6.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:05 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:e119:f45b:8776:eb1a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:44 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:47 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:48 < nmz787> i should be able to make some ~nm tipped STM/AFM/molecular-tweezer tips 22:49 < nmz787> i think to change it from a pipette tip to just a conical surface (using glass capillary as stock material) I'd just need to apply light vacuum to each side of the capillary in the pipette puller 22:50 < nmz787> functionalizing the tip would be another thing ;) 22:56 < genehacker> still need to figure out how to make the tweezers 22:58 < genehacker> and how to recharge the tweezers 22:59 < genehacker> and the various reactions for dropping linkers in place 23:04 -!- dendritic [~amber@neuron.dendriticspine.com] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 23:36 < nmz787> some type of electrochemistry? 23:38 < genehacker> I was hoping just to do it positionally 23:38 < genehacker> this stuff self assembles 23:40 < nmz787> how do you control tweezing then? 23:40 < nmz787> by what you add to the vicinity> 23:40 < nmz787> ? 23:41 < genehacker> stuff sticks to the tweezer 23:41 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host%E2%80%93guest_chemistry 23:42 < genehacker> stuff sticks to the tweezer reversibly, stuff reacts to form a framework irreversibly 23:43 < nmz787> isn't this just a less-flashy version of a general biochemistry mechanism wiki page? 23:43 < genehacker> tweezer is just there to organize stuff 23:43 < nmz787> i mean, it seems like it 23:43 < nmz787> like enzymatics 23:44 < genehacker> sort of, but hosts and guests are essential to understanding supramolecular chemistry 23:44 < nmz787> and mid-way there's your pharmacology class 23:44 < nmz787> isn't it all just 'electronics' 23:44 < nmz787> ? 23:45 < nmz787> i wonder if antenna modelling software would be of use 23:45 < genehacker> sure if your antenna has quantum weirdness 23:46 < genehacker> it is sort of electronics, but at that scale it isn't useful 23:46 < nmz787> yeah i think you'd have to add in the local field changes from the guest molecule as it's proximity to the host increases 23:47 < genehacker> you can do DFT, but DFT takes a long time 23:47 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_functional_theory 23:47 < genehacker> you can make approximations though 23:47 < nmz787> .lattice boltzmann 23:47 < nmz787> .wik lattice boltzmann 23:47 < yoleaux> "Lattice Boltzmann methods (LBM) (or Thermal Lattice Boltzmann methods (TLBM)) is a class of computational fluid dynamics (CFD) methods for fluid simulation. Instead of solving the Navier–Stokes equations, the discrete Boltzmann equation is solved to simulate the flow of a Newtonian fluid with collision models such as Bhatnagar-Gross-Krook (BGK)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_Boltzmann 23:48 < genehacker> see pretty much anything that is done in molecular dynamics 23:48 < nmz787> oh, I thought it was for multi body in general 23:48 < nmz787> can DFT be described for sub-atomic? 23:48 < genehacker> what do you mean by subatomic? 23:48 < nmz787> I'm fine with sticking to electrons for now ;) 23:49 < nmz787> well are electrons composed of some other junk? 23:50 < genehacker> I don't think so 23:50 < genehacker> read the wiki on DFT 23:51 < nmz787> yep 23:51 < nmz787> looking at the software list now 23:52 < genehacker> all I know is that it takes a long time to run 23:52 < nmz787> pshaw 23:52 < nmz787> I have a terribly underutilized server with like 70gb ram 23:54 < genehacker> it takes a day to simulate a small molecule in one configuration with DFT 23:54 < genehacker> on a supercomputer in texas 23:54 < nmz787> I wish I would have known that 4 months ago when we turned this server on :P 23:55 < nmz787> ah 23:55 < nmz787> this is not a super computer 23:56 < nmz787> do you know about ATRP? 23:56 < nmz787> .wik ATRP 23:56 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: ATRP" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATRP 23:56 < nmz787> .wik Atom-transfer radical-polymerization 23:56 < yoleaux> "Atom transfer radical polymerization (ATRP) is an example of a Reversible-deactivation radical polymerization. Like its counterpart, ATRA or atom transfer radical addition, it is a means of forming a carbon-carbon bond through a transition metal catalyst." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom-transfer_radical-polymerization 23:57 < genehacker> no 23:57 < genehacker> can you make covalent organic frameworks with it? 23:59 < nmz787> uh 23:59 < nmz787> idk --- Log closed Thu Feb 26 00:00:03 2015