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THANKS AND BEST REGARDS" 06:56 < kanzure> seasteading.org forum http://discuss.seasteading.org/ 07:03 * archels pictures the raft from Snow Crash 07:04 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ULlHhia_Q 07:04 < yoleaux> MIT Bitcoin Expo 2015 Day 2 - YouTube 07:05 < kanzure> yesterday transcripts http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/ 07:43 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:51 -!- Jaakko9114 [~Jaakko@host31-53-207-117.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:53 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=15f13fdb Bryan Bishop: gavin andresen >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/ 07:58 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4c80ea2c Bryan Bishop: more gavin >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/ 08:00 -!- yorick_ [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:08 -!- yorick_ is now known as yorick 08:19 < thundara> q 08:24 < kanzure> hmm 08:24 < kanzure> this didn't work 08:24 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=19f99257 Bryan Bishop: threshold signatures >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/arvind-narayanan/ 08:24 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=94f4d76b Bryan Bishop: arvind more >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/arvind-narayanan/ 08:24 < kanzure> oh 08:25 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/arvind-narayanan/ 08:29 < chris_99> nmz787, did you ever get that tiny laser engraver? 08:46 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:47 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5a4e2946 Bryan Bishop: amiller >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/andrew-miller/ 08:50 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=38e30881 Bryan Bishop: even more >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/andrew-miller/ 09:06 -!- Shannon_ [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:18 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e1c647a0 Bryan Bishop: bluematt >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/matt-corallo-sidechains/ 09:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/matt-corallo-sidechains/ 09:31 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:41 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=91c80a80 Bryan Bishop: bitpay stuff >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/eric-martindale/ 09:43 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7390f7f6 Bryan Bishop: minor formatting fixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/eric-martindale/ 09:49 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5f2fd35f Bryan Bishop: fix some minor typos >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/ 09:51 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:58 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcszxjkbgibogyzs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:11 -!- Shannon_ [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:30 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7d36dee5 Bryan Bishop: meh >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/human-side-trust-workshop/ 10:34 -!- Jaakko9114 [~Jaakko@host31-53-207-117.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - 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While Counterparty, MasterCoin, and NXT all give digital-token capabilities, they all require the use of separate altcoins, which have had presales to enrich their creators. So to use any of these separate systems, one must transact into a separate currency before then manipulating digital tokens. This separate currency is an unfortunate barrier. Assets, even within the cryptocurrency space, suffer pri 12:48 < heath> eh 12:48 < heath> minus that, i have yet to see anything too outlandish 12:49 < heath> no mention of DAOs so far 12:49 < fenn> what's DAO? 12:50 < fenn> is this like, a corporation but you're too lazy to do paperwork? 12:51 < heath> distributed autonomous organizations 12:51 < heath> minus the last s 12:51 < heath> oh, i guess assembly is paying its workers using this 12:52 < heath> and that's where it becomes questionable 12:53 < fenn> '“Distributed” and “Autonomous” are great terms, we don’t believe “Corporation” in particular is a desirable term for these entities. One of our primary reservations with using the term is, “Corporation” carries a lot of historical and legal baggage that won’t necessarily best serve the community of developers and entrepreneurs seeking to describe and build these new projects. 12:53 < fenn> If you Google the definition of “Corporation” the result is: “a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.”' 12:54 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:54 < heath> https://www.scribd.com/doc/255347578/SWARM-Working-Paper-Distributed-Networks-and-the-Law 12:55 < heath> primavera is pretty cool, she's also associated with p2p foundation and OKN 12:55 < fenn> the wikipedia article on DAO talks about them as if they actually exist 12:55 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 < heath> among other organizations related to this channel 12:56 < heath> s/OKN/OKFN 12:57 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With regards to file size on disk and file size when loaded into memory 16:57 < delinquentme> assuming that we're not talking a compressed file on the HD ... do they both take up the same space? 16:57 < delinquentme> if you have any idea 16:58 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7b8fea74 Bryan Bishop: fix petertodd typoes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/peter-todd-scalability/ 16:59 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7b8fea74 Bryan Bishop: fix petertodd typoes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/peter-todd-scalability/ 17:00 -!- Jaakko9114 [~Jaakko@host31-53-207-117.range31-53.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 17:01 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7b8fea74 Bryan Bishop: fix petertodd typoes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/peter-todd-scalability/ 17:02 < jrayhawk> hmm 17:02 < jrayhawk> oh, right, PATH might be screwy on git 17:03 < jrayhawk> eh, hopefully that'll fix it 17:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 < CheckDavid> How do I hack myself into exercising and not slacking? :o 17:04 < jrayhawk> make friends who also exercise 17:05 < jrayhawk> and schedule things 17:05 < CheckDavid> Still. 17:05 < jrayhawk> social pressure can do wonders 17:06 < CheckDavid> Would be nice to turn off the negative feelings associated with certain exercises 17:06 < CheckDavid> jrayhawk: I'm very resistant to social pressure :( 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=45fe7001 Bryan Bishop: fix amiller typos >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/andrew-miller/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=bccb1cac Bryan Bishop: armory typofixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/armory-proof-of-payment/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=790d374a Bryan Bishop: typofixes for trading transcript >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/bitcoin-financing-and-trading/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=0df9fb33 Bryan Bishop: arvind typofixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/arvind-narayanan/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6b30ab95 Bryan Bishop: typofixes re: regulation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/bitcoin-regulation-landscape/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4c08d7b2 Bryan Bishop: andreas antonopoulos typofixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/decentralization-through-game-theory/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ab78ba7a Bryan Bishop: gavinandresen typofixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id= 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=be3e6ba7 Bryan Bishop: typofixes from a security panel >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/security-and-usability/ 17:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d620983f Bryan Bishop: joi ito typofixes >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/some-questions-for-bitcoiners/ 17:22 < kanzure> CheckDavid: certain exercises are dumb your feelings are probably correct 17:22 < kanzure> CheckDavid: personally i recommend taking as many steroids up the butt as possible, more muscle mass never hurt anyone and nobody needs a stable hormone cycle 17:23 < CheckDavid> kanzure: I'm only doing compound exercises and I feel motivated enough 17:23 < CheckDavid> But things like running 17:23 < CheckDavid> Are not fun for everybody 17:23 < CheckDavid> kanzure: I can't be sure if you serious or sarcastic 17:24 < CheckDavid> I mean. You can't be serious 17:24 < kanzure> i'm not sure why you expect aerobic exercise to be fun 17:24 < jrayhawk> what sort of running 17:24 < CheckDavid> kanzure: some people love running 17:24 < CheckDavid> Just normal jog 17:24 < jrayhawk> don't 17:25 < kanzure> ah right i forgot that jrayhawk would have my back on this 17:26 < jrayhawk> walking and sprinting (especially in intervals) both have fairly profound benefits, but there is nothing useful about jogging 17:27 < jrayhawk> well, unless you're a figure competitor with an actual desire to lose lean mass 17:29 < kanzure> jrayhawk: tell me things about how fucked up long distance runners metabolisms are? 17:33 < jrayhawk> http://jap.physiology.org/content/82/2/571.short was kinda funny 17:33 < kanzure> .title 17:33 < yoleaux> Effect of running intensity on intestinal permeability | Journal of Applied Physiology 17:33 < jrayhawk> turns out "the trots" are exactly as pathological as one could expect 17:35 < jrayhawk> http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/46/Suppl_1/i37.full 17:35 < jrayhawk> .title 17:35 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1136%2Fbjsports-2012-091171 17:35 < yoleaux> Atrial fibrillation and atrial flutter in athletes -- Calvo et al. 46 (Suppl 1): i37 -- British Journal of Sports Medicine 17:36 < jrayhawk> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18426850 17:36 < jrayhawk> .title 17:36 < yoleaux> Running: the risk of coronary events : Prevalence and prognostic re... - PubMed - NCBI 17:36 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1093%2Feurheartj%2Fehn163 17:37 < jrayhawk> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23559628 17:37 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1161%2FATVBAHA.112.300878 17:37 < jrayhawk> .title 17:37 < yoleaux> 404 Not Found 17:38 < jrayhawk> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23559628 17:38 < jrayhawk> .title 17:38 < yoleaux> Walking versus running for hypertension, cholesterol, and diabetes ... - PubMed - NCBI 17:38 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1161%2FATVBAHA.112.300878 17:38 < jrayhawk> race condition 17:38 < kanzure> ha 17:41 < jrayhawk> .title http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060918142456.htm 17:41 < yoleaux> 'No Time To Exercise' Is No Excuse -- ScienceDaily 17:41 < jrayhawk> .title http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/how-burn-more-fat-less-effort 17:41 < yoleaux> How to burn more fat, with less effort | UNSW Newsroom 17:48 < kanzure> hmm too bad that study was on so few participants 17:48 < kanzure> not a huge problem but seems like the sort of study that would be fun to try more broadly 17:49 < kanzure> (regarding interval exercise of some college students) 17:50 < jrayhawk> eh, there's like a bazillion of these "doing less exercise results in similar weight loss with better lean tissue retainment" studies 17:50 < kanzure> ah okay 17:53 < kanzure> weird i never noticed this page 17:53 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_muscle_stimulation 17:54 < jrayhawk> http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/303/6/R571.full most of them are comparing jogging (aerobic glycolysis) to less jogging (also aerobic glycolysis), though, which is boring and lame 17:54 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1152%2Fajpregu.00141.2012 17:54 < kanzure> "Because of the effect that strengthened and toned muscles have on appearance (a stronger muscle has larger cross-section[29]), EMS is also used by a niche of practitioners for aesthetics goals.[30][31][32]" 17:55 < kanzure> ha "Non-professional devices target home-market consumers[37] with wearable units in which EMS circuitry is contained in belt-like garments (ab toning belts) or other clothing items." 17:56 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:56 < kanzure> aww "The FTC has cracked down on consumer EMS devices that made unsubstantiated claims;[39] many have been removed from the market, some have obtained FDA certification." 17:59 < jrayhawk> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8897392?dopt=Abstract oh yeah, and tabata's stuff, obviously 17:59 < jrayhawk> .title 17:59 < yoleaux> Effects of moderate-intensity endurance and high-intensity intermit... - PubMed - NCBI 18:01 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.18.249.222.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:01 < jrayhawk> actually, screw it, just steal every paper from http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=high+intensity+interval+training 18:02 < jrayhawk> http://www.healio.com/cardiology/chd-prevention/news/online/%7Bcdd889ca-bfa9-4ca7-9c95-25ad09d999ee%7D/endurance-runners-at-risk-for-calcified-coronary-plaque 18:11 < kanzure> haha these "ems machines" are known as "russian muscle stimulators" 18:15 < kanzure> hahaha their landing page http://stimrx.com/ 18:25 < crescendo> @kanzure wow! thanks for transcribing my talk! WOW, someone in the audience (I don't know if they were watching the livestream or actually present), wrote up a transcript in real time!!!! http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/eric-martindale/ 18:25 < kanzure> oh right i forgot about twitter 18:26 < crescendo> happens 18:26 < crescendo> coincidentally, I've been in this channel for some time and we've never met 18:27 < kanzure> wait are you quoting twitter? 18:27 < crescendo> no, macro error 18:28 < crescendo> thanking you directly for transcribing my talk 18:28 < kanzure> er, you're welcome :) 18:28 < crescendo> were you present today? 18:28 < kanzure> nah 18:28 < kanzure> but juthica chou (from ledgerx) was there 18:28 < kanzure> and paul chou 18:29 < crescendo> ah, neat – didn't get the chance to meet them, I don't believe 18:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 < kanzure> crescendo: in the future if you know of highly relevant bitcoin things being streamed, i'd be happy to type those things too 18:31 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a8130260 Bryan Bishop: typofix >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/eric-martindale/ 18:31 < crescendo> well then... I am speaking tomorrow about ChainDB at the SF Bitcoin Dev meetup, Tuesday at BlockchainU final demo day (very interesting projects this first semester), and Wednesday at Draper University for the Bitcoin Security panel 18:32 < kanzure> hmm i should add a caveat that during most days i am coding for 8-12 hours straight 18:32 < kanzure> but outside of *that* i can type live transcripts, haha 18:33 < crescendo> haha, of course. ;) 18:33 < crescendo> same moniker on twitter, btw? 18:33 < kanzure> yep 18:36 < crescendo> what license is the HPlusWiki under? 18:37 < kanzure> cc-by-sa 3.0 unported, have fun 18:38 < crescendo> fuckyeafreedom 18:38 < kanzure> it's actually a git repo 18:38 < crescendo> I see that 18:38 < crescendo> my first exposure, actually 18:38 < crescendo> we are using a git-based wiki internally 18:38 < kanzure> if for whatever reason you do not prefer cgit there's https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki 18:38 < crescendo> bidirectional? 18:39 < kanzure> not automatic, but yes 18:39 < crescendo> reasonable. thanks 18:40 < crescendo> you should meet my friend @vorathe sometime over the festival these weekes 18:41 < kanzure> alright 18:44 < kanzure> haha last.fm "Your musical compatibility is HIGH You both listen to Dead Babies Screaming" 18:50 -!- gene_hacker_ [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-16.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:50 -!- gene_hacker_ is now known as gene_hacker 18:52 < crescendo> also happens 19:24 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27 -!- gene_hacker_ [~chatzilla@8-16.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:29 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-92.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29 -!- gene_hacker_ is now known as gene_hacker 19:38 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dldajgnvzpzusctg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:43 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-16.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:47 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-16.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@8-16.ptpg.oregonstate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:29 * heath will be in san francisco in < 2 weeks 20:29 < heath> fenn: are you around that area still? 20:29 < heath> nmz787: you're in portalnd or oakland or something like that 20:30 < heath> nmz787: close? 20:30 < heath> i'm down for meeting if anyone wants to hang out for a little while 20:31 < fenn> i'm in the bay area 20:31 < fenn> portland is nowhere near here 20:34 < heath> fenn: :) 20:34 < heath> i can't remember where nathan is located 20:34 < heath> let's meet up 20:34 < heath> i think a friend i'm staying with is south of SF 20:35 < fenn> ok 20:35 < heath> cool 20:36 < heath> i'll email when i'm headed that way 20:37 < heath> email +you 20:37 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 < kanzure> heath: there is also delinquentme and others 20:50 < kanzure> gourneau, at least 20:50 < kanzure> oh, and maaku 20:50 < kanzure> definitely maaku, since bitcoin 21:19 < kanzure> .title https://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2015/03/08/lint-for-math/ 21:19 < yoleaux> Lint For Math | Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP 21:35 -!- comma8 [comma8@gateway/shell/yourbnc/x-gpzivhfgjtaffkkx] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 21:51 < maaku> heath: where south of SF? 21:51 < maaku> I'm in San Jose 21:53 < maaku> kanzure: engaging with gwern is a mistake :P 21:57 < kanzure> right, he just reverts back to quoting blogs or something 22:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49 -!- gene_hacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:06 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:07 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:14 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-87-239-168.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-23-20-156-117.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:24 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 23:39 -!- crescendo [~mozart@173.203.100.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Mar 09 00:00:16 2015