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02:51 < Qfwfq> kanzure: How familiar are you with work in universal psychometrics? I think I landed here through your AI roadmap, and I'm finding it difficult to wrap my head around one of the formalisms.
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02:51 < Qfwfq> kanzure: Specifically, it's unclear to me how a partial update in a MDP transition function resolves to the succeeding state. (http://users.dsic.upv.es/~flip/papers/TR-upsycho2012.pdf)
02:57 < justanotheruser> Qfwfq: he's usually here in about 2 hours
02:58 < Qfwfq> Thanks.
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06:54 < kanzure> justanotheruser: not today, i will be delayed as i mount a quest for breakfast
06:57 < justanotheruser> Qfwfq: drag him into conversation before he can actually leave
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07:41 < kanzure> breakfast quest... breakfast quest.. when you're really hungry.. and you're finding food.. breaaakfast queeessst.
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07:46 < JayDugger> I predict with high confidence that you will find no food in ##hplusroadmap.
07:47 < kanzure> party pooper
07:52 < JayDugger> You see a Slime Mold.
07:53 < JayDugger> You have a Slime Mold (b).
07:58 < JayDugger> Eb
07:58 < JayDugger> That tastes good.
07:58 < JayDugger> You are full!
07:58 < JayDugger> You have no more Slime Molds (b).
07:58 < kanzure> you are the worst dungeon master, i didn't even get to roll
08:00 < JayDugger> Guilty. Don't like it? Whine about it on the forum (http://angband.oook.cz/forum)
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08:31 < kanzure> "Expecting the area to become more accessible as climate change melts Arctic ice, and believing the area contains large reserves of untapped oil and natural gas, Russian explorers on 2 August 2007 in submersibles planted the Russian flag on the Arctic seabed, staking a claim to energy sources right up to the North Pole"
08:37 < kanzure> "Under a government decree signed On June 2013, a special "roadmap" is expected to ease business suppliers’ access to the procurement programs of state-owned infrastructure monopolies, including such large ones as Gazprom, Rosneft, Russian Railways, Rosatom, and Transneft. These companies will be expected to increase the proportion of domestic technology solutions they use in their operations. The decree puts special emphasis on ...
08:37 < kanzure> ... purchases of innovation products and technologies. According to the new decree, by 2015, government-connected companies must double their purchases of Russian technology solutions compared to the 2013 level and their purchasing levels must quadruple by 2018.[107]"
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13:06 < kanzure> anyone want to be paid to write an academic paper for me?
13:06 < dingo> nope!
13:06 < kanzure> you're too busy
13:06 < dingo> it always annoys me when undergrads struggle to find a thesis
13:07 < dingo> what the hell are they in school for if they haven't got something to figure out you know
13:07 < kanzure> i have a bunch of content but no time to assemble the content into a good format
13:08 < dingo> but you a research assistant
13:08 < dingo> can probaly get one on $20k/yr these days hehe
13:08 < dingo> buy, rather
13:08 < kanzure> right, although i don't think i need one full-time at the moment
13:08 < kanzure> i would estimate that this would be <100 hours of work
13:08 < dingo> seems there ought to be a craigslist-like site for undergrad work
13:08 < archels> what's it about?
13:09 < kanzure> archels: bitcoin stuff. economics.
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13:09 < archels> that stuff is not for me, sorry
13:09 < kanzure> archels: game theory.
13:09 < kanzure> hehe
13:10 < kanzure> archels: had the topic been something else, you would have maybe said yes?
13:15 < archels> absolutely
13:16 < kanzure> archels: do you have any particular topics in mind? things that i would proably say yes to?
13:16 < archels> although the notion of "writing a paper" seems strange to me
13:18 < archels> I guess different fields would have different views here--with my engineering mindset I see it more as a result of a series of directed efforts, possibly involving experiments
13:20 < kanzure> certainly true
13:20 < kanzure> in the case of economics some of that is simply directed thought experiments
13:20 < kanzure> which can sometimes happen when writing
13:21 < kanzure> or before... anyway, i have some stuff that almost looks like data, and a pile of references, and a pile of content, and this need sto get transmuted into a document that i don't have time to write.
13:24 < archels> hmm, I see
13:25 < archels> it might offend some mods, but perhaps soliciting on the forums or in the community that is into these things would work better than using a generic freelancing site
13:27 < kanzure> ah sure
13:27 < kanzure> btw more specifically i would expect you to eventually propose to me a review paper regarding whole brain emulation or something
13:27 < kanzure> s/whole/partial or whole/ (sigh)
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13:32 < dpk> paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-968X.1985.tb01040.x/pdf
13:32 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4a09822a6b61edc50b1f2654dfad4321.txt
13:33 < dpk> grrr
13:35 < archels> kanzure: writing review papers seems antithetical to the mindset of this channel
13:37 < archels> paperbot: http://www.turingbirds.com/temp/j.1467-968X.1985.tb01040.x.pdf
13:37 < archels> dpk: ^
13:37 < kanzure> oh, what's wrong with reviews?
13:38 < kanzure> you might be correct but i'm not sure why
13:38 < dpk> archels: oh thanks!
13:38 < archels> I don't know, what would be your goal for one?
13:38 < archels> dpk: welcome!
13:38 < dpk> i assumed it was inaccessible to me because you needed a Philological Society membership
13:39 < kanzure> archels: probalby something like "open-source stuff that needs to exist but doesn't yet" or something
13:39  * archels flashes his lifetime membership card
13:39 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f62c5af72186f34aa099bba6af454863.pdf
13:39 < archels> kanzure: incentivization could definitely be a useful thing
13:40 < kanzure> or really just an update on the brain emulation roadmap report... i should ask anders about his plans on that....
13:41 < kanzure> or todd.
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14:07 < Guest39256> Qfwfq: what AI roadmap
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14:09 < kanzure> maaku: hplusroadmap used to be a channel where we talked about the transhumanist technical roadmap, which may have included an ai section
14:10 < maaku> is that roadmap still active?
14:10 < kanzure> not at all :)
14:10 < kanzure> i would rather start from zero
14:10 < maaku> yeah well hard to get an uncoordinated group of people to agree and stick to a roadmap
14:10 < maaku> that's the lesson i've observed in the AGI space
14:11 < kanzure> i don't know if i need agreement.... but having people viscerally argue against bad ideas would be extremely useful.
14:11 < maaku> this is true
14:11 < maaku> instead of a single roadmap, perhaps a collection of possible roadmaps
14:12 < maaku> path A, path B, path C, etc.
14:12 < maaku> as well as discussion over things which are not viable roadmaps, which is probably the most useful
14:12 < maaku> not that any of us have time to do this
14:12 < kanzure> heh
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16:10 < kanzure> justanotheruser: here is a foldable keyboard since you didn't like that zagg one http://www.amazon.com/Chocolate-High-touch-Bluetooth-Flyshark-Microsoft/dp/B00NH8M10Y
16:13 < justanotheruser> looks cool, but it also looks like the h key is about to snap. wonder how it works with that http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Q3OX4RCOL._SL1001_.jpg
16:16 < kanzure> why is there a key on that keyboard that controls a record player?
16:16 < justanotheruser> because bloatware hardware
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16:17 < kanzure> also, the h key is not intersecting the board (there's a gap)
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16:30 < justanotheruser> ohh
16:33 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/solvespace
16:33 < kanzure> his step exporter https://github.com/kanzure/solvespace/commit/9455037e49e58446c09f6f08221acf14258c78e0
16:33 < kanzure> i sent him an email informing him about http://stepcode.org/
16:33 < kanzure> although now that i think about it perhaps there is a license incompatibility here
16:36 < kanzure> here is his surface intersection work https://github.com/kanzure/solvespace/commits/7f3dd91bd93e1d0e28658d8e1a44d2e3d5d235af/srf/boolean.cpp
16:38 < kanzure> netcat for bluetooth https://github.com/ieee8023/blucat
16:42 < kanzure> this all seems quite reasonable https://github.com/kanzure/solvespace/commit/fc3dc68f83076eabff76d05ccdb29599e7ebb5a4#diff-7aea94158e64fce817b307f30982b77fR353
16:43 < kanzure> oh except he specifies the interface to the library in his demo file? why
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18:22 < nsh> which bot logs here?
18:36 < yashgaroth> gnusher
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19:04 < delinquentme> kanzure, any 1337 haxx for opening up a port for AWS w/o reinstalling the whole system?
19:05 < delinquentme> detatching the filesystem?
19:21 < kanzure> ec2 dashboard change security group
19:23 < delinquentme> kanzure, cant do it dynamically unless Amazon VPC
19:23 < delinquentme> But I think im going to eff w nginx routing
19:23 < delinquentme> but detatching filesystem + reattaching is also an option
19:28 < kanzure> reattaching the filesytsem does not change the firewall settings
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19:30 < delinquentme> sure it does if you attach the file system to a new instance with the modified rules!
19:30 < delinquentme> wtf is the TLA for that?
19:31 < delinquentme> derp. VM. hahaha
19:31 < kanzure> you feeling alright?
19:31 < delinquentme> yeah os instance up new VM w new network rules
19:31 < delinquentme> yeah in super crunch mode .. wanna get this out :D
19:32 < delinquentme> do you have rules for nginx to capture two different routings for http://blah.com ... and http://api.blah.com
19:32 < delinquentme> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14711666/mapping-subdomains-to-urls-with-nginx
19:32 < kanzure> reverse_proxy
19:33 < kanzure> whoops i mean proxy_pass
19:34 < delinquentme> that forwards it sure -- I need the capture though.
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20:22 < kanzure> "As an old (very) synthesis chemist, I was impressed with the synthesis machine but I don’t think that synthesis chemists will be out of work very soon (even though I left the lab, not by my choice, 44 years ago).  As with the protein/DNA machines the number of reagents is relatively small, as is the number of number of starting materials..  The point is the reactions are fairly well known and programmable.  In addition, the reactions ...
20:22 < kanzure> ... are amenable to successive reactions without interference.  I didn’t check how many isolations of intermediates had to be made.  What are even more interesting are those reactions that can be run “one pot” which have been explored for at least a century.  A chemist still has to define new chemistry of interest and design and program the machines."
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21:21 < kanzure> elephant prosthesis http://gentlelivingonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Screen-Shot-2012-04-24-at-3.01.48-PM.png
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21:31 < kanzure> "Elephant feet are difficult because the structures are so embedded in the flat pad. You can’t see them from the outside. You’d never tell they were there from the outside. Most imaging techniques wouldn’t work through the foot, especially in a live animal. So the only way we could approach it was with cadaveric material. Fortunately, I have the dubious distinction of having previously assembled perhaps the world’s largest ...
21:31 < kanzure> ... collection of frozen elephant feet and just started CT-scanning all of them. We were one of the few people to bother CT-scanning these structures. Obviously, you can’t do that with a live elephant. It’s extremely impractical and unsafe. They tend to die a lot under anaesthesia."
21:33 < fenn> "let the elephant be eaten by a mouse and put the mouse in the refrigerator"
21:38 < kanzure> that quote... man.
21:40 < kanzure> "when are you going to get rid of those useless frozen elephant feet??"
21:40 < kanzure> "one day you'll see! you'll be sorry that you made me throw them out."
21:42 < kanzure> scene: our protagonist at his monthly elephant foot fetish therapy session...
21:44 < fenn> elephants in 600 inch stiletto heels https://www.google.com/search?q=dali+elephant+drawing&tbm=isch&
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22:20 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1267890 "A friend of mine named Robert Hettinga has long championed the concept of "recursive auctions." The first copy of a piece of information is the most valuable. Subsequent copies are less valuable. Eventually the copies lose all novelty and reach a value of zero, or even a negative value because they occupy space which could otherwise store more valuable information. The original producer of ...
22:20 < kanzure> ... information auctions the first copy to the highest bidder. Anyone who buys a copy owns that copy, and I mean ownership in the strong sense of having an exclusive right of use or disposal. In particular, the owner has the right to sell a copy of his property to other bidders. The price of subsequent copies will tend to decline, though not always. Owners of information may thus recoup or exceed their original cost basis by selling ...
22:20 < kanzure> ... copies of their property. Note well that when I say you own a copy of some information, I mean precisely a physical copy -- a specific pattern of subatomic particles in your physical possession. I am not talking about ownership of "abstract information" or "ideas." I am talking pure physics here."
22:20 < kanzure> "ome producers of information will choose not to sell it, but will instead profit from it in other ways. This is called a "trade secret." (Examples: the formulas for Coca Cola and KFC.)"
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