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Despite years of promises to restore it, the building is run down, close to collapse, and favoured by the local youth as an underage drinking den, reported newkaliningrad.ru, a local news site." 06:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@ti0013a400-2789.bb.online.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0013a400-2789.bb.online.no] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:19 -!- QuadIngi is now known as FourFire 06:23 < kanzure> "The dude invented BitTorrent." "No, he extended the ideas of MojoNation and called it BitTorrent." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MojoNation 06:23 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnet_(peer-to-peer_network)#MojoNation 06:23 < kanzure> "Mojo was a digital cash currency that aimed to provide attack resistance and load balancing in a fully distributed and incentive-compatible way (see Agoric computing). Every pair of MojoNation nodes maintained a relative credit balance, with every EGTP request transferring some Mojo credit from the sender to the receiver. In early versions of MojoNation, users were required to set prices for any services their node provided. Most users ... 06:23 < kanzure> ... had no idea how to choose prices, so the Mojo layer was rewritten to use a second-price rolling auction." 06:29 < kanzure> "This has been explored in sci-fi by Jack McDevitt in his Priscilla Hutchins series. He had large Omega Clouds of alien devices attacking anything with straight lines and right-angles, as those were indicative of intelligence." 06:37 < eudoxia> inb4 "muh bismuth crystals" 06:44 < kanzure> mojonation overview http://www.cs.kent.edu/~javed/class-FP2P10S/papers-2006/mojonation.pdf 06:48 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khcwwwlyjlrfreoy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:56 < kanzure> this may seem hilariously trivial but it's a weakness of mine https://gist.github.com/kanzure/17dd25ddc6c6207c3817 07:21 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0013a400-2789.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:27 -!- JonTitor [~superobse@unaffiliated/superobserver] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 < JayDugger> How did you get from MojoNation to that HN quote, kanzure? 07:32 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:38 < kanzure> apparently this is called subitizing http://mathsavvyparents.com/wp-content/uploads/subs.pdf 07:39 < kanzure> JayDugger: many tabs open 07:40 < JayDugger> Ah. 08:18 < kanzure> http://enablingthefuture.org/upper-limb-prosthetics/the-limbitless-arm/ 08:18 < kanzure> limbitless... hah. 08:19 < kanzure> hehe making it about kids is clever 08:20 < kanzure> but why are there so many kids missing limbs? what's going on 08:25 < juri_> capitalism. 08:26 < kanzure> ? 08:28 < juri_> unbridaled capitalism -> military industrial complex -> bombs for everyone! 08:28 < ParahSailin> these are white kids in america though 08:29 < juri_> oh, then i dunno. 09:20 -!- Shannon [~Shannon@unaffiliated/shannon] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:32 -!- zadock [~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:43 < archels> .title http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150310/srep08920/full/srep08920.html 09:43 < yoleaux> Visualization of synaptic domains in the Drosophila brain by magnetic resonance microscopy at 10 micron isotropic resolution : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group 09:44 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150310/srep08920/full/srep08920.html 09:44 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fsrep08920 09:44 < kanzure> paperbot: http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150310/srep08920/pdf/srep08920.pdf 09:45 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fe850940806299559413b71a57c7d4c5.pdf 09:48 -!- TK_ [~TK@82.131.18.251.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:56 < ParahSailin> kanzure: why do you need to practice counting zeros? 10:00 < kanzure> highlighting zeros is dumb, and ctrl-n to bring up a terminal also takes too long 10:02 < ParahSailin> you are dealing with numbers with 18 zeros? 10:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-25-30.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0013a400-2789.bb.online.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:17 < archels> consider that you're trying to solve the wrong problem here 10:48 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0013a400-2789.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:11 < kanzure> space walrus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3fr6c9Ek64 11:20 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:05 < kanzure> 12:04 < CaptHindsight> and the chemist (and i use the term loosely) at makerjuice doesn't believe in oxygen inhibition of free radical curing 12:06 < kanzure> http://radtech.org/2014proceedings/papers/technical-conference/Oxygen%20Inhibition/Arceneaux%20-%20Mitigation%20of%20Oxygen%20Inhibition%20in%20UV%20LED,%20UVA,%20and%20Low%20Intensity%20UV%20Cure.pdf 12:12 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:17 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tstiiyiqpkfmyhbp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 -!- t12 [~t12@dodeca-t.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:39 < kanzure> .title http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php?topic=40.0 12:39 < yoleaux> Microscope Projection Photolithography for Rapid Prototyping 12:40 < CaptHindsight> yes, we develop all sorts of lithography and deposition systems 12:41 < kanzure> Daeken: you around? 12:42 < Daeken> kanzure: yup 12:42 < Daeken> what's up? 12:42 < kanzure> found you a friend 12:43 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: that inverse microscope is good to down ~1um lines 12:43 < kanzure> our weakspot is optics at the moment 12:43 < Daeken> optics for what? 12:43 < kanzure> image reduction 12:44 < kanzure> buying microscopes is nice but that's not how you do engineering :P 12:44 < CaptHindsight> cheap lasers would make 2 photon lithography desktop and cheap 12:44 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: what are you trying to print and at what geometry? 12:45 < Daeken> i'm not sure why we need optics for it at all -- the feature size for direct mask lithography is well within what we need, i'd think 12:45 < kanzure> need general platform of photolithography of micro-stuff... somewhere in the range of 1 to 50 micron resolution. really we don't care. 12:45 < kanzure> for microelectronics and microfluidics 12:45 < kanzure> mostly microfluidics at the moment 12:45 < Daeken> kanzure: yeah, there's no need for optics for that 12:45 < CaptHindsight> thats easy 12:45 < Daeken> 1um can be done directly, with super cheap masks 12:46 < kanzure> Daeken: but i'd rather not pay $500/mask etc... i mean... what if i make 1000 things. 12:46 < kanzure> i'm gonna blow my budget eventually 12:46 < CaptHindsight> yeah masks are for mass production 12:46 < CaptHindsight> onesy twosy is easy to print 12:46 < Daeken> print in what way? 12:46 < kanzure> figuring out the exact optical parameters and catalog items to order has not been easy for me 12:47 < kanzure> (for lenses/etc) 12:47 < CaptHindsight> microfluids in monomers and oligomers? 12:47 < Daeken> i'm researching laser printing of transparencies for this, to avoid expensive masks. in theory, should hit the same resolution for a tiny fraction of the cost 12:47 < Daeken> seems like a way cheaper route to go than anything else, from the looks of it 12:48 < kanzure> fenn: maybe you're around? 12:48 < CaptHindsight> I'm printing electronics using just fluids including the PCB down to few microns 12:48 < Daeken> CaptHindsight: using what process? 12:49 < CaptHindsight> inkjet and SLA 12:49 < Daeken> huh, interesting 12:49 < CaptHindsight> most of the work is in the fluids 12:50 < Daeken> how is that? 12:51 < CaptHindsight> the work is in the materials science, the deposition and lithography are mostly academic exercises 12:52 < CaptHindsight> lasers, micro-nozzles, inkjet etc are nothing new 12:52 < CaptHindsight> you can build multi-axis stages with sub micron res with off the shelf parts 12:53 < kanzure> stages, sure, that's no problem 12:54 < chris_99> you mean you're using some kind of conductive fluid to print the tracks? 12:55 < CaptHindsight> yes, copper 12:56 < CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1vOVGSfHFgPt this 5-axis stage holds an inverse microscope, it's good down to 1um 12:56 < chris_99> you mean you're etching or..? 12:56 < CaptHindsight> no etching, depositing 12:57 < CaptHindsight> all deposition including semiconductors 12:57 < chris_99> ah 12:58 < CaptHindsight> organic polymer semiconductor materials 13:00 < CaptHindsight> they started using synthetic DNA for anti-counterfeit 13:00 < CaptHindsight> it's only going to be secure for a short time 13:01 < CaptHindsight> since as you pointed out that DNA printing has gotten much faster and cheaper 13:02 < CaptHindsight> combined with a scanner/sequencer it will be like going to kinkos 13:02 < kanzure> dna sequencing is cheaper, but dna synthesis has not really moved in price point 13:03 < CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130324-synthesizing-dna-times-cheaper-with-a-dna-laser-printer.html 13:03 < kanzure> they are focusing on synthetic vagina yeast 13:04 < kanzure> (we know them) 13:04 < CaptHindsight> it depends on what you want to print 13:05 < kanzure> ah i'm glad they are calling it "laser pulse catapulting" now... the physical motivation was originally quite vague from them. 13:06 < CaptHindsight> nice to find this channel 13:06 < kanzure> we do things 13:06 < kanzure> whops s/motivation/motion 13:06 < kanzure> *whoops 13:06 < kanzure> typos everywhere :/ 13:07 < CaptHindsight> #openlunchbox is where I started collecting everything open 13:07 < CaptHindsight> http://openlunchbox.com/smf 13:07 < kanzure> i want to eventually get to the point of designing a repeatalbe, rebuildable microfabrication setup 13:08 < kanzure> e.g., in the sense that we can give someone a list of parts to order (or make), not just dumpster diving 13:08 < kanzure> or rather, minimal or no dumpster diving 13:08 < CaptHindsight> thats interesting 13:08 < CaptHindsight> since i tend to lean the other way 13:08 < kanzure> not everyone has the same distribution of garbage laying around 13:08 < kanzure> you might have some ultra-rare expensive shit that you don't even realize is hard for others to get 13:09 < CaptHindsight> teach people how to build machines vs set of plans 13:09 < kanzure> having them build parts on their own is fine in my opinion, that does not count as dumpster diving 13:09 < CaptHindsight> if you understand machine design you can do whatever you want 13:09 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: also some of our projects are a little more speculative.... http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration/ 13:10 < CaptHindsight> ebay, dumpster, diy etc 13:10 < CaptHindsight> reminds me of scifi shorts I used to read 13:11 < kanzure> well, yes, so that is why i try to emphasize the actually-building-stuff aspects 13:12 < CaptHindsight> I can't imagine much actual info in #dlp printing 13:12 < kanzure> i think they might be reading a little too much make magazine 13:13 < kanzure> not sure 13:14 < CaptHindsight> lots of fun stuff ahead in DNA synthesis 13:15 < kanzure> here are some things that people have been doing with custom dna: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/ 13:15 < CaptHindsight> I'd like to start working on retrofitting viruses for cancer cures 13:16 < kanzure> for tumors you can just use ultrasound to melt them http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ 13:16 < CaptHindsight> that's another treatment vs cure 13:17 < kanzure> one possible cure would be to stop cells from replicating 13:17 < CaptHindsight> http://www.mayo.edu/research/departments-divisions/department-molecular-medicine/harnessing-viruses-treat-cancer 13:17 < CaptHindsight> reprogram a virus to invade the cancer cells so the immune system takes care of it 13:18 < kanzure> a bunch of people have been running around talking about retroviruses in "personal medicine" to target particular cancer lines sampled from a patient's body 13:18 < kanzure> but that's not a cure either 13:18 < CaptHindsight> been working 13:18 < CaptHindsight> prevention would be the real cure 13:18 < kanzure> oh wait yes it is, that counts as a cure, sorry, i was thinking of the other thing 13:18 < kanzure> vaccines 13:19 < CaptHindsight> that's why I like micro and nano machines 13:19 < CaptHindsight> designer cells 13:21 < kanzure> have you worked with cells before? 13:21 < CaptHindsight> have to run but we can print lines down to ~45nm using photopolymers and cheap lasers 13:21 < CaptHindsight> ~45nm line width and ~100nm space 13:22 < CaptHindsight> yeah, tissue engineering 13:22 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: if i send you money will you send me microfabricated things 13:22 < CaptHindsight> and dna synthesis, mass production of synthetic currently 13:22 < CaptHindsight> let me know what things you need 13:23 < CaptHindsight> bbl 13:31 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40 < chris_99> I have an old Epson printer i'm planning on tearing appart for bits, has anyone ever used the pumps before? i'm wondering how hard it'll be to get 'em to work 13:43 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: I'll let you know in a couple hours 13:44 < chris_99> heh cheers 13:47 < CaptHindsight> haven't left yet, 13:47 < CaptHindsight> the problem with the epson heads is they don't recirculate 13:47 < CaptHindsight> so filter everything to 1um 13:48 < CaptHindsight> if the particles tend to agglomerate >40um then use something else 13:49 < CaptHindsight> the fluid viscosity should be around 4cP at 30C 13:49 < CaptHindsight> the heads don't have heaters 13:49 < CaptHindsight> the drive pulse for the epsons is up to ~180V 13:50 < chris_99> oh wow, i didn't know they needed that kind of voltage 13:50 < chris_99> this was to potentially play with a blue dye, which it probably is over kill for, but i'm sure i could find other uses for it, if i manage to get em working 13:50 < CaptHindsight> since you are new to piezo inkjet either try to hack the driver board or look at the waveforms very closely 13:51 < chris_99> yeah, it sounds like i'd probably want to keep their driver 13:51 < chris_99> stuff 13:51 < CaptHindsight> piezo drive waveforms are even patented 13:51 < chris_99> weird 13:51 < CaptHindsight> since it all about creating the proper wave to push and agitate the fluids 13:52 < CaptHindsight> but epson printers are cheap 13:52 < CaptHindsight> so you can make mistakes 13:52 < chris_99> mmm, very cheap in comparison to some of the sites i've seen which sell piezo pumps 13:52 < CaptHindsight> some of our heads cost us $7k ea 13:53 < chris_99> wow 13:53 < CaptHindsight> the lowest cost industrial piezo heads are the Xaar 13:54 < CaptHindsight> http://www.xaar.com/en/products 13:54 < chris_99> how much do they cost roughly 13:55 < CaptHindsight> the 128's from China are under $300 13:55 < CaptHindsight> or ebay 13:55 < CaptHindsight> what size drops do you need? 13:55 < chris_99> interesting, although you can get an epson printer for £30 13:56 < CaptHindsight> http://www.benjercorp.com/print-heads/xaar-print-head-128-200-purple-insulator/?gclid=COXA4eimtcQCFYY9aQod8yYAEA 13:56 < CaptHindsight> the epsons support grey scale 13:56 < chris_99> no idea tbh, i was wondering if i could use it to get the blue dye into a microfluidic chip to dye yeast, although, that could be silly and maybe i should just use a peristaltic pump 13:57 < CaptHindsight> you create several pulses in on pulse time and the drops converge into one during flight 13:57 < CaptHindsight> what dia are the channels? 13:57 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 14:01 < CaptHindsight> the dia of the epson nozzles are ~75um 14:01 < CaptHindsight> ~5khz and 4-40something pL drops 14:03 < chris_99> sorry, apparently it's two chips 160um deep & 50um deep 14:04 < chris_99> one thing i was wondering do inkjets only work when pointing downwards 14:17 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 < heath> https://benanne.github.io/2015/03/17/plankton.html :: Classifying plankton with deep neural networks 14:27 < heath> .title http://videolectures.net/mlpmsummerschool2014_varoquaux_brain_imaging/ 14:27 < yoleaux> Machine learning for brain imaging - VideoLectures.NET 14:28 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:32 < heath> fenn, delinquentme: i'm nearby but a bit busy 14:33 < heath> Friday night or Saturday might be a nice day to hang out 14:38 < heath> ugh, artx.com was registered a few days ago :| 14:39 < heath> i hate it that registrars hold the domain for an unknown period of time 14:43 < heath> ..after the domain has expired 14:57 < kanzure> http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/why-is-there-no-generic-insulin 15:01 -!- _0bitcount [~big-byte@81.61.34.185.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03 < delinquentme> kanzure, why dont we make insulin ? 15:04 < kanzure> fda 15:15 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/events/developing-industrial-control-systems-which-meet-security-and-regulatory-requirements 15:15 < yoleaux> Developing Industrial Control Systems which meet Security and Regulatory Requirements - Mentor Graphics 15:16 < archels> I like the bait-and-switch there 15:16 < archels> "meet security requirements" instead of "being secure" 15:25 < nmz787_i> ostensibly those requirements follow the besk-know-practices to 'be secure'... but it seems like it's also dealing with legal responsibility too... which I guess is a type of security if your business is at stake 15:26 < chris_99> nmz787_i, you played with the esp8266 15:27 < nmz787_i> chris_99: not yet, but I've been wanting to for a few months now 15:28 < Daeken> security in industrial control. hah. 15:28 < chris_99> i've gotta a bunch of them but i need to get round to using them, not sure exactly what for yet 15:28 < nmz787_i> chris_99: saw the hackaday overview of it yesterday, was more impressed than I originally was after learning how few components it requires and that it runs at 80MHz 15:28 < chris_99> yeah i bought some 3.3V FTDI thing to program it 15:28 < nmz787_i> I was thinking a home HVAC control system might be fun to do 15:30 < chris_99> i've got 10 to play with, maybe i could track my dog with it heh 15:30 < nmz787_i> dog-wardriving 15:30 < nmz787_i> wardogging 15:31 < chris_99> haha 15:31 < nmz787_i> dog-in-the-middle attacks 15:31 < nmz787_i> or doge 15:34 < chris_99> you might find http://www.reddit.com/r/nicechips/ interesting 15:36 < nmz787_i> yeah pretty cool, don't explore reddit enough I guess 15:37 < chris_99> hmm i've got a bunch of 1-wire temp probes, maybe i could stick them on the esp's, and set a thermostat of 'em 15:40 < nmz787_i> the 1.6mm x 2.0mm 42 MHz ARM processor for under $2 is pretty cool 15:40 < chris_99> yeah that sounded cool 15:41 * nmz787_i wants processor earrings 15:41 < chris_99> i was thinking could you put it in a pil capsule 15:41 < chris_99> dunno what for though 15:42 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:42 < chris_99> i like the chip scale atomic clocks, but they're not exactly cheap 15:45 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: it depends on the design of the printhead, most will print from down to +/- 90 deg of down 15:45 < chris_99> oh interesting 15:45 < chris_99> i just had a silly idea 15:45 < chris_99> to print with it on a wall 15:49 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: also l and _ at 90 deg from down 15:50 < CaptHindsight> but then the lower nozzles have more pressure than the upper nozzles so you have to adjust the wavefrom to fire harder at the bottom than at the top 15:51 < chris_99> lower/upper nozzles? 15:53 < CaptHindsight> say they are 90 deg from pointing down but arranged I 15:53 < CaptHindsight> vs ------ 15:53 < chris_99> oh sorry gotcha 16:06 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:07 < nmz787_i> http://carbon3d.com/ 16:07 < nmz787_i> supposedly faster SLA 16:09 < CaptHindsight> compared to 3d systems and envisiontec yeah, they are about as slow as the diy printers 16:18 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tstiiyiqpkfmyhbp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:19 < kanzure> "Just 2,000 babies have been born from cryogenically frozen eggs in the world" 16:19 < kanzure> that's all? what the hell 16:26 -!- the8thbit [~8bit@66.186.100.194] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:27 < nmz787_i> CaptHindsight: you're saying DIY printers are faster than those from 3Dsystems? 16:28 < nmz787_i> you seem to be saying 3Dsystems < carbon3D <= DIY 16:28 < nmz787_i> or maybe 3Dsystems < DIY <= carbon3D 16:29 -!- the8thbit|work [~8bit@66.186.100.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:39 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-glbspxkrhsohyrbc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:43 < delinquentme> kanzure -agi 16:43 < delinquentme> gchat 16:48 < delinquentme> KANZURAGI 16:54 < kanzure> huh? 16:55 * maaku summons KANZURAGI 16:58 < kanzure> who has disturbed me 17:05 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: the carbon3d is nothing new, oxygen inhibition is well understood and oxygen permeable high Tg membranes have been around for a while 17:07 < CaptHindsight> what appears to be new in their patent is the use of a $1K/g ptfe polymer film for the bottom of their vat 17:10 < CaptHindsight> envisiontec and 3d systems aren't concerned with speed or materials suitable for finished products 17:10 < CaptHindsight> sadly the diyers only seem to be interested in making a $ or just getting a printed trinket 17:23 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-glbspxkrhsohyrbc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:32 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:56 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibghrlebudkdqyiq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/141209/ncomms6747/full/ncomms6747.html 19:57 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fncomms6747 19:58 < Lemminkainen> :( no prosthetic foreskins tonight, guys 19:59 < kanzure> welcome back 20:04 < Lemminkainen> how've you been kanzure ? 20:12 -!- sccc [~sccc@2602:306:3a29:49d0:4092:9a2b:a73d:152b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 -!- sccc [~sccc@2602:306:3a29:49d0:4092:9a2b:a73d:152b] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:21 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:23 < kanzure> oh, you know, stuff 20:31 < Lemminkainen> well, I hope it's been good stuff 20:33 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-koglhkwyfrzjypnc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:34 < kanzure> you? 20:38 < Lemminkainen> I think we're finally settled on first therapeutic targets, so that's progress 20:38 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-koglhkwyfrzjypnc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:39 < Lemminkainen> I'll know more about the efficacy of our approach here in a few weeks 20:48 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:e0b2:3bac:a0b1:751f] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:06 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:08 < andytoshi> kanzure: so, i'm not sure if maaku and greg will agree, but my verdict is you were right to avoid reading eliezer's harry potter fanfic 21:08 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@99-95-173-80.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:08 < andytoshi> he didn't reveal the mechanisms behind magic that he seemed like he was going to in the first 30 or so chapters 21:09 < kanzure> once again my lazy conclusions about eliezer have paid off 21:09 < andytoshi> and harry being an even more assinine version of eli was never punished ... AND when people complained about this eliezer said that they were just discriminating against harry because he was 11 21:09 < kanzure> nobody cares if the character is 11 21:11 < kanzure> i have been trying to formulate a rock-solid thesis against eliezer for many years now, but i haven't actually improved the document since 2008 21:11 < kanzure> see pm 21:14 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:27 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:09 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@64.231.150.116] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:53 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:56 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:58 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A4899.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:43 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:51 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@p5B2A4899.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Excess Flood] --- Log closed Fri Mar 20 00:00:27 2015