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Why would that be localized? 07:02 < FourFire> mosasaur, oh so you already have a magical cure 07:02 < FourFire> ok, I thought using ultrasound was supposed to be the active mechanism of thecure 07:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-77-3.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:15 < delinquentme> MBPs truly max out at 16 gigs of ram ?? 07:15 < FourFire> yep 07:16 < FourFire> who's heard of 32GB right? 07:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:25 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 07:32 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:39 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:39 < kanzure> FourFire: yes, i use 32 GB 07:40 < kanzure> FourFire: you are wrong, people used ultrasound to destroy brain tumors 6 years ago, not 40 years ago 07:42 < FourFire> kanzure, uhh, first I predicted that it would be possible to do this 40 years from now, maybe, second Pterry died from alzheimers not cancer 07:45 < andytoshi> hi kanzure, iirc you have some means of crawling bitcointalk.org 07:45 < andytoshi> is this easily adaptable to give me a filtered view of the site? 07:45 < kanzure> i believe fenn has an 80 GB dump somewhere 07:45 < kanzure> you would probably have to just grep through that 07:46 < andytoshi> hmm, what i was thinking about was the using actual crawling code to directly filter html since it seems to understand content.. 07:46 < kanzure> ah no, i never wrote that crawler 07:47 < delinquentme> crawler? 07:47 < delinquentme> I wrote it. everyone ever 07:47 < kanzure> http://www.mmbios.org/index.php/computational-methods-for-spatially-realistic-microphysiological-simulations-2015 07:47 < andytoshi> np, i'll just stop going on the site until i feel less irritated at it 07:47 < delinquentme> kanzure, pm on gmarl 07:49 < kanzure> some people ganging up on henry markram http://www.nature.com/news/rethinking-the-brain-1.17168 07:49 < kanzure> "The depth of the governance issues are exemplified by this statement in the report, which refers to the project’s de facto leader, Henry Markram of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. “The co-ordinating scientist … is not only a member of all decision-making, executive and management bodies within the HBP, but also chairs them and supervises the administrative processes supporting these bodies. Furthermore, he ... 07:49 < kanzure> ... is a member of all the advisory boards and reports to them at the same time. In addition, he appoints the members of the management team, and leads the operational project management.”" 07:51 < kanzure> vim has moved to github https://github.com/vim/vim 07:51 < kanzure> day 2 http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/24/y-combinator-demos/ 07:52 < kanzure> nexttravel is.. yeah that's enterprise.. 07:52 -!- CaptHindisght is now known as CaptHindsight 07:52 < kanzure> transcriptic only had $100k in sales in 2014? wtf 07:53 < kanzure> "Techlist – AngelList For Asia. Unlike Silicon Valley, Asia is fragmented and traditional press isn’t doing a good job of covering the tech startups in Asia. Techlist connects startups to investors [Disclosure: Techlist is a potential competitor to TechCrunch and CrunchBase]. The Techlist blog attracts nearly 2 million readers with a $3 million run rate. All startups are covered in English so investors can read about them on a global ... 07:54 < kanzure> ... level. According to Techlist, there are over 800 investors that visit the site." 07:54 < kanzure> "Open Listings – Self-Service Real Estate. Over 67% of homes are sold to repeat buyers who are already familiar with the process. The Open Listings platform eliminates the need for the real estate agent by providing the paperwork and giving the buyer the 3% fee they’d normally give to a real estate agent." 07:56 < kanzure> "GrubMarket – Online Farmer’s Market. GrubMarket provides on an online marketplace where consumers can buy food straight from farmers. GrubMarket then picks up the food and delivers it. By cutting out the wholesalers, distributors, and grocers, GrubMarket can take a big margin while making food cheaper and paying farmers more." 07:57 < kanzure> "KickPay – A Marketplace For Buying And Selling Invoices. It takes the average invoice 48 days to get paid, depriving businesses of the cash they need to operate. KickPay lets individual investors buy up these invoices at a slight discount, getting businesses capital instantly. Investors see liquidity within two months and can make a double-digit percentage return. The market for KickPay is already huge, with $300 billion in invoices ... 07:57 < kanzure> ... bought each year through a terrible interface full of contracts and paperwork." 07:57 < kanzure> "DroneBase – On-Demand Drone Services. Customers push a button, and DroneBase dispatches a local drone pilot with their own drone to come capture imagery, video, maps, and analysis for any project, like construction or infrastructure management. This lets big commercial clients avoid buying drones, employing pilots, or paying suppliers. DroneBase’s service can significantly undercut satellites, planes, and helicopters, while getting ... 07:57 < kanzure> ... companies better data faster." 07:57 < kanzure> "Labdoor – Quality-Tested Online Marketplace For Supplements. The FDA doesn’t test supplements, and Labdoor says 79% of supplements fail quality control. Labdoor does its own testing so it can tell you what’s actually in Centrum or Muscle Milk even if the labels are wrong. The startup believes that user reviews aren’t enough to convince people what health products to buy, so it wants to be the quality control for everything ... 07:57 < kanzure> ... important." 07:58 < kanzure> "Bonfire – Full-Service Request For Proposal Management – $3 trillion is spent each year through the Request For Proposal (RFP) system. When a business needs to buy something that costs over $50,000 they get RFP bids from potential supplies, and have to decide which to go with. That clumsy comparison process can take months. Bonfire manages all the RFPs for a business, determining which offer is best, and informing the buyer. ... 07:58 < kanzure> ... Bonfire is currently selling its service for $5,000 a year to large companies and governments, but envisions an even bigger business in intelligence about what buyers and suppliers should do based on the data it gleams." 07:58 < kanzure> "EquipmentShare – Airbnb for Construction Equipment. Trillions of dollars of construction equipment sits idle all the time. 75% at any given time. EquipmentShare lets contractors rent out their idle equipment, and the startup keeps 20%. It can undercut traditional equipment renters by 30% where contractors spend an average of $900,000 a year. EquipmentShare could make it more affordable for smaller independent contractors to buy or ... 07:58 < kanzure> ... rent the equipment they need, and help them create sustainable side businesses renting their cherry-pickers and cement-mixers." 07:59 < kanzure> well.. okay. 08:03 < justanotheruser> ycombinator loves funding X for Y 08:03 < kanzure> just wait until they start funding "X without Y" 08:04 < justanotheruser> Airbnb for Construction Equipmnt 08:04 < kanzure> "Trillions of dollars of construction equipment sits idle all the time." 08:04 < kanzure> .loud 08:04 < kanzure> "TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT SITS IDLE ALL THE TIME" 08:05 < mosasaur> I like DroneBase, especially if they could transport small items from A to B 08:05 -!- TK_ [~TK@85.253.82.206.cable.starman.ee] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:05 < kanzure> why not just give it to a shipping person instead? 08:05 < kanzure> i mean why have a drone + a person come out, when you could just pay for the person? 08:06 < justanotheruser> because the human doesn't do as much work this way 08:07 < justanotheruser> but I still think that wolud be replaced by self driving cars before it can get anywhere 08:09 < kanzure> "pffft posers, they are totally going to get replaced by SELF-DRIVING drones, obviously" 08:20 < FourFire> heh 08:20 < FourFire> best to get into the business asap so they can own that 08:29 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 < mosasaur> patent some avian transport standard 08:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-82-44-32.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-166-88-201.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45 < delinquentme> “Uber, the world’s largest taxi company, owns no vehicles. Facebook, the world’s most popular media owner, creates no content. Alibaba, the most valuable retailer, has no inventory. And Airbnb, the world’s largest accommodation provider, owns no real estate. Something interesting is happening.” ~Tom Goodwin ‪#‎futurehunt‬ 08:47 < kanzure> why is that a surprise though 09:05 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gstsmwwajghipfuq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:11 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxgcofmtjmuvsnpj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:23 < CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150325-qingdao-unique-to-3d-print-skin-and-corneas-within-one-year.html 09:25 -!- zadock [~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:26 < CaptHindsight> just a fancy dual extruder on a 3-axis stage, but I don't hear about much of this in the US 09:26 < CaptHindsight> is tissue engineering done quietly in the USA? or 09:28 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: stalk jordan miller 09:33 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 09:56 < kanzure> "Autonomous micro aerial robots can operate in three-dimensional, indoor and outdoor environments, and have applications to search and rescue, first response and precision farming. I will describe the challenges in developing small, agile robots and the algorithmic challenges in the areas of (a) control and planning, (b) state estimation and mapping, and (c) coordinating large teams of robots. (Vijay Kumar)" 10:04 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:13 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:22 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:38 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:02 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:04 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:13 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-uzhppksnbemnvpod] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:14 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:17 < nmz787_i> 10^18 atoms per cm^3 11:19 < nmz787_i> assuming a 10nm atom to atom spacing 11:19 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:19 < nmz787_i> err, maybe 5nm atom to atom 11:19 < nmz787_i> (10nm x 10nm x 10nm cube) 11:19 < fenn> i like the idea of labdoor.com but they totally flubbed the fish oil analysis 11:20 < nmz787_i> 10^18 == exa 11:20 < nmz787_i> friggin animal rights clogging up my international unit search for peta prefix 11:21 < fenn> they rank "double strength" or whatever ethyl-esterified fatty acids alongside actual fish oil, and then claim the "double strength" is better value and higher quality, even though it's actually a different product entirely (and bad for you) 11:21 < chris_99> nmz787_i, just got the ToF sensor working on the Pi :) https://www.anfractuosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/IMG_9324-1024x683.jpg 11:22 < fenn> also they don't give the oxidation values for most fish oils, which is like the only thing that really matters when comparing lab results 11:22 < fenn> you'd need to do a pretty heavy sampling to get meaningful oxidation levels though 11:23 < nmz787_i> “One in four cars in the world have Delphi architecture. We ship more computers than HP and Dell combined.” 11:24 < fenn> it just annoys me that they sort everything by one aggregate score, and there's no way to see a table of data 11:24 < nmz787_i> chris_99: neat, seeming good so far 11:24 < nmz787_i> ? 11:24 < chris_99> yeah it seemed to measure up to 25cm iirc 11:24 < nmz787_i> i take it it's the small 1cm square-ish red board? 11:24 < chris_99> yup 11:24 < chris_99> i had to use some logic level converters as it uses 2.8V logic 11:24 < nmz787_i> you have a scope probe attached to the breadboard too? 11:24 < chris_99> yeah 11:25 < nmz787_i> ah, is the rpi 3.3 or 1.8? 11:25 < chris_99> 3.3 11:25 < chris_99> i powered the circuit from the 5V power lines from the Pi, using a LD1117 11:25 < nmz787_i> and you want to use this to look at the alcohol-gravity-meter tip? 11:26 < chris_99> yup 11:26 < nmz787_i> cool 11:26 < nmz787_i> non-contact == good 11:29 < chris_99> non-contact? 11:31 < nmz787_i> you're sterilizing the gravity meter once right, then adding it to the brew and not opening it up until it's done right? so you don't have to contact the brew during sensing 11:35 < nmz787_i> .title http://www.femm.info/wiki/License 11:35 < yoleaux> Finite Element Method Magnetics: License 11:35 < nmz787_i> archels: heard of that? ^ 11:37 < chris_99> yup that's right nmz787 11:42 < fenn> so i saw a guy and his girlfriend by the bay with a long stick holding their phone to take a photo of them. pretty sure that's the "killer app" for drones 11:43 < nmz787_i> whee, I have a spectrometer in the mail! (365 - 1100 nm, 3 nm resolution) 11:43 < fenn> O RLY 11:44 < nmz787_i> i think i read korea is going to start taxing a certain kind of "selfie stick" 11:44 < chris_99> is that the hammatsu 11:44 < chris_99> one 11:44 < nmz787_i> nah uses a Sony CCD 11:44 < nmz787_i> http://www.science-surplus.com/products/spectrometers 11:44 < nmz787_i> refurb medical or science parts 11:44 < chris_99> i need one that does around 2000nm iirc 11:44 < nmz787_i> will give me something to compare openspectrometer to once i get around to that 11:45 < nmz787_i> hey have 1800l/mm 11:45 < nmz787_i> for $200 11:45 < chris_99> ah yeah i've seen those blue ones 11:45 < nmz787_i> they added on another $100 or so for the 600 l/mm grating 11:45 < nmz787_i> so i imagine to get the 2400 l/mm it would be similar 11:46 < nmz787_i> then they give instructions for calibrating (need a lightsource with known spectral lines) 11:47 < chris_99> ah, yeah such as a sodium light or something? 11:47 < fenn> "a basic order sorting filter to reduce stray light from higher diffraction orders" didn't even know that was possible 11:47 < fenn> is it just a spatial filter? like a plate with a hole in it? 11:49 < chris_99> i found someone selling liquid lenses for £40, i'm not entirely sure what i need one for, but i might mount one over one of my Pi cameras 11:49 < fenn> oh nevermind it's just a lowpass filter 11:54 < nmz787_i> chris_99: yeah something like that, or a laser 11:54 < chris_99> yeah i heard people apparently use them for lasers, but for what? 11:54 < nmz787_i> fenn: yeah I think it's just a baffle... the higher orders have more angle to them, so you just block those orders out 11:55 < nmz787_i> some spectrometers try to use 2D sensors to get all the orders then integrate the signals later in software 11:55 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:57 < nmz787_i> "Lithography is a communication channel specialized in delivering high-definition, high-density physical images to silicon wafers. Parallels can be drawn to communication theory, where key innovations have steadily improved the efficiency of digital communication within increasingly precious bandwidth. Several recent lithography process innovations will be outlined in terms of communication theory concepts, and their impact on economi 11:58 < nmz787_i> http://www.eda.org/edps/EDP2011/Papers/FINAL%20Mike%20Rieger%20Presentation%20v2.pdf 12:02 < nmz787_i> https://www.avs.org/Meetings-Exhibits 12:02 < nmz787_i> .title 12:02 < yoleaux> nmz787_i: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. 12:03 < nmz787_i> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_la8gelzsKw 12:03 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxgcofmtjmuvsnpj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:03 < nmz787_i> "they had vacuum cleaner hoses comin out of their noses, and nothin where their mouths should be" 12:04 < nmz787_i> .title 12:04 < yoleaux> Donald Duck's Astro-duck Song - YouTube 12:04 < nmz787_i> does anyone else remember that album? 'Goin Quackers' 12:04 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < fenn> wow, they're pretty confident in their lab's ceiling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chip-pan-fire.jpg 12:09 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@c-98-232-239-159.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:17 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:18 -!- ryankarason [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:27 < fenn> egads 12:27 < fenn> "Lab-tested folic acid content ranged from -94% to +306% vs. the products' stated label claims." 12:27 < fenn> on a survey of prenatal vitamins 12:27 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:34 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:38 < kanzure> mark is bad at time zones 12:41 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 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for roots. observe fungus. measure root depth. measure fungus growth. 14:16 < kanzure> there should be long-term soil bonds so that insurance subsidies of farming are more long-term. 14:24 < kanzure> could just feed crickets and compost to trout 14:31 < justanotheruser> My YC2016 submission: fantasy football for YC startups 14:35 < chris_99> heh 14:35 < dingo> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Contextual 14:38 < nmz787_i> there is that cricket protein bar on kickstarter now 14:38 < nmz787_i> or indigogo or whatever the latest hip crowdfunding site it 14:38 < nmz787_i> is 14:48 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:14 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:14 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlbljdtrvjmidhbd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-uzhppksnbemnvpod] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:57 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:22 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:38 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:38 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:39 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:40 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- Lemminkainen [uid2346@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmcvxwfgvvyxauls] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:45 < Lemminkainen> paperbot http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-25974-9_14 17:46 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/86bdaa2ae58458fe178a3fb85b9b438e.txt 17:46 < Lemminkainen> yay 17:51 < kanzure> you need to believe in paperbot for its magic to work 17:52 < Lemminkainen> oh I believe in her 17:53 < kanzure> well, maybe we need to move on to human blood 17:53 < Lemminkainen> but perhaps it's just as well right now--that paper was for procrastinatory purposes 18:06 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:39 < kanzure> ParahSailin: ever work with mark hamalainen when you were at methuselah foundation? 18:39 < ParahSailin> he was gone before that point 18:39 < kanzure> this explains why he didn't know you 18:39 < ParahSailin> whats he doing now? 18:40 < kanzure> halcyon molecular, synthego for 3 years, quit synthego and is now doing aquaponic analytics (something about arduinos) 18:40 < kanzure> and immune path before halcyon 18:40 < ParahSailin> yeah halcyon is what he was doing when i was there 18:40 < ParahSailin> i think halcyon before immunepath 18:41 < kanzure> claims he was in the first round for cambrian genomics 18:42 < ParahSailin> interesting 18:43 < ParahSailin> are they making any progress? 18:43 < ParahSailin> did they actually make a glowing plant? 18:43 < kanzure> working machine 18:43 < kanzure> dunno what "working" means though 18:46 < Lemminkainen> the plants glow 18:46 < Lemminkainen> kinda 18:50 < Lemminkainen> you have to squint at them in a dark room 18:52 < kanzure> or take a 30 second exposure photograph -_- 18:54 < kanzure> nmz787_i: i thought arduino was "processing" 19:00 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:03 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlbljdtrvjmidhbd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:04 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:15 -!- Souljack [souljack@shell.xshellz.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:35 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:55 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:56 -!- _Sol_ [~Sol@c-69-141-24-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:22 < fenn> .g "osfund 0" 20:22 < yoleaux> No results found. 20:23 < fenn> i guess it's just "osfund" 20:23 < fenn> http://osfund.co/ 20:24 < fenn> "seeking founders who see beyond our lifetimes" is not transhumanist at all... 20:28 < fenn> hum well there is this at least: http://osfund.co/companies/264/human-longevity-inc 20:30 < ParahSailin> i know a guy there 20:32 < kanzure> the 0~ was because for some reason parens don't work when i am mobile. my keyboard sends parens to the phone, but they don't show up on the server for some reason. 20:33 < kanzure> and then i gave up on the 1~ at the end and deleted that. 20:34 < fenn> they have a pretty cool portfolio so far 20:34 < fenn> who knew the guys who make "just mayo" are doing so much molecular biology... 20:38 < kanzure> transcriptic video http://avideos.5min.com/134/5187134/518713362_4.mp4 from http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/25/a-look-inside-transcriptics-new-biotech-testing-facility/ 20:47 < kanzure> also the cryopreservation foundation is apparently doing ~$300k grants 20:51 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:51 < nmz787_i> kanzure: Arduino is an IDE that nicely obscures a bunch of ugly C and C++ macros and standard lib includes and the 'wiring' library as well (which is the API that the 'Arduino' library works through) 20:52 < t12> lol what 20:52 < t12> reinventing the pipetting robot is losing game 20:52 < kanzure> they are not reinventing pipetting robots 20:52 < nmz787_i> kanzure: Paul Stoffregren would be a good person to stalk to know more about Arduino, as he's ported it to some newer faster chips (the teensy series of modules) 20:52 < t12> looks like it from that video 20:52 < t12> lots of house built 80/20 thrown together stuff 20:52 < kanzure> nmz787_i: i think jonathan cline is right 20:52 < nmz787_i> and called it teensyduino 20:53 < nmz787_i> kanzure: he is kind of off-topic though, for the forum he's posting to 20:53 < kanzure> t12: yes so they were reverse engineering a tecan for shits and giggles? come on. bullshit. 20:53 < t12> i dunno 20:53 < t12> freedom evos arent that expensive 20:53 < nmz787_i> if timing instability bites you, you either get bitten and move on, get a logic analyzer (for what, $10 or $20 ) or oscope 20:53 < t12> nor are bravos 20:53 < t12> i understand tricking out some existing stuff 20:54 < t12> building that stuff from scratch is intensely annoying 20:54 < nmz787_i> and you find the timing glitch and fix (with better C/C++, or even inline ASM) 20:54 < nmz787_i> or again, move on 20:54 < kanzure> t12: often building things from scratch is cheaper and more reliable. 20:54 < t12> cheaper maybe 20:54 < t12> dunno about more reliable 20:54 < kanzure> who the hell wants to maintain 500 different machines by different shitty manufacturers? 20:54 < t12> not cheaper if you count labor 20:54 < nmz787_i> obv it would suck to keep refactoring and porting, but realistically it is likely fine for the projects diybio discusses 20:54 < t12> maybe cheaper if you can amortize over 10y 20:55 < t12> noone 20:55 < t12> but is anyone soloing it as a company 20:55 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Client Quit] 20:55 < t12> going to outdo 500 vendors, at once, at their own game? 20:55 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 < nmz787_i> https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/teensyduino.html 20:55 < kanzure> nmz787_i: i have no idea what you think i'm talking about 20:55 < nmz787_i> https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_download.html 20:55 < kanzure> t12: i also suspect they have their own particular engineering requirements 20:55 < t12> thats likely true 20:56 < kanzure> if i had to reverse engineer software from 50-500 different vendors, i'd probably go on a rampage 20:56 < nmz787_i> kanzure: oh what are you talking about then? 20:56 < kanzure> nmz787_i: all that c++ talk doesn't make sense to me. it was "processing", not c++. 20:56 < t12> redoing their software 20:56 < t12> i understand that part definately 20:56 < kanzure> reverse engineering and redoing are different 20:57 < t12> depends on which you care about 20:57 < kanzure> who are you 20:57 < nmz787_i> kanzure: i think processing was just the web interface glue for artists to get into using arduino 20:57 < kanzure> ... web interface? 20:57 < nmz787_i> if anything it's probably an arduino (c++) library called processing 20:57 < nmz787_i> yeah processing is for like doing artful display stuff 20:57 < nmz787_i> interactive webpages 20:57 < kanzure> that's not what i asked 20:57 < t12> at least they do have a bravo on top of that 20:58 < nmz787_i> http://playground.arduino.cc/interfacing/processing 20:58 < nmz787_i> "Processing is an open source language/ development tool for writing programs in othercomputers. Useful when you want those other computers to "talk" with an Arduino, for instance to display or save some data collected by the Arduino." 20:58 < ParahSailin> the existing pipette robots are crap though 20:58 < nmz787_i> "This library allows you to control an Arduino board from Processing without writing code for the Arduino." 20:58 < maaku> oh i thought you were talking about processing.org 20:58 < t12> the best pipetting diy i can come up with 20:58 < t12> is taking existing high channel heads and bolting them to big 6axis arms 20:59 < nmz787_i> "Configure Processing for serial: http://processing.org/reference/libraries/serial/ In Processing, open one of the examples that comes with with the Arduino library." 20:59 < t12> but thats not cheaper 20:59 < ParahSailin> its not diy though, they have millions of cash 20:59 < t12> work envelope is huge 20:59 < ParahSailin> enough to do things right 20:59 < t12> millions is nothing in life science automation 21:00 < ParahSailin> life science industry is a wasteful racket as it stands now 21:00 < t12> agree 21:00 < t12> but theres real market forces that drive that 21:00 < t12> mainly low customer count 21:00 < ParahSailin> nih grant trough 21:01 < t12> dont get me wrong the automation market is way stuck in 1990 21:01 < t12> but pennypinching it on capital equipment and operating costs isnt the answer really 21:08 < fenn> derr... so those robots cost ~100k new, how is labor expensive again? 21:09 < fenn> penny pinching my ass 21:09 < Lemminkainen> $100K robot + $5K worth of 5 peoples' time to set it up + $10K/year maintenance + $5K time/month to keep it running 21:10 < Lemminkainen> compounded by management that doesn't know what the robot's fully loaded costs are, can't move their project planning to utilize it effectively, and understands old methods better so naturally reverts to them 21:10 < t12> if you're using any of those machines in high throughput youre moving more reagent through it than its cost.. really quickly 21:10 < t12> reagent and tip 21:10 < Lemminkainen> particularly when they're angling for a promotion, they'll rely on well-known methods instead of take the time to get a robot going for fear of having a project failure on their career record 21:11 < fenn> you guys are totally missing the point 21:11 < t12> i agree all those costs and issues suck 21:11 < t12> but diying it 21:11 < t12> doesnt solve them 21:11 < Lemminkainen> fenn which point are we missing? 21:11 < Lemminkainen> please be explicit for us dear doddering fools 21:11 < fenn> facebook makes their own servers, why? 21:11 < fenn> because it does exactly what they want, without any bullshit markup 21:12 < t12> and did they do that out the door 21:12 < t12> with their first 10m 21:12 < fenn> eh.. well, google did 21:12 < Lemminkainen> but fenn biologists are afraid of math and programming 21:12 < Lemminkainen> so are doctors 21:12 < t12> expressing a wetbench expirement to a robot 21:12 < Lemminkainen> it's far easier for them to call up Hamilton and deal with them 21:12 < t12> is suprisingly difficult 21:13 < t12> it shouldnt be but it is 21:13 < t12> i guess primarily a ux issue 21:13 < fenn> Lemminkainen: exactly, that's why you guys think it's better to blow $100k on a robot than to bother with awful wires and metal and stuff 21:14 < fenn> where "you guys" is t12 21:14 < t12> i've both blown the 100k on the robot 21:14 < t12> and done the awful wires and stuff 21:14 < t12> they each have their place 21:14 < t12> the awful wires and stuff robot cost more in materials 21:14 < fenn> not true 21:14 < t12> i guess its bigger in the end 21:15 < Lemminkainen> fenn from where I am it depends on the source of the cash: investment, debt, or revenue; rolling and dogfooding my own equipment beyond the absolute necessities only makes sense from debt or revenue capital, otherwise it never multiplies for you 21:16 < fenn> i recognize the words in those sentences but it didn't make sense 21:16 < t12> lol 21:16 < fenn> what does source of money have to do with return on investment? 21:16 < fenn> it's money, it's fungible 21:16 < Lemminkainen> not all money is worth the same 21:16 < fenn> a dollar is a dollar 21:16 < t12> someone elses dollar 21:16 < fenn> you guys are nuts 21:16 < t12> is definately considered differently 21:17 < Lemminkainen> if I sell 1 share for $1 and then spend it on a cheeseburger, I've effectively turned 1 share into poop 21:17 < Lemminkainen> but if things are going well, the price of that share in the future increases at a rate faster than inflation 21:17 < Lemminkainen> so in a year maybe that share is worth $5 and I blew its value on 1 unit of cheeseburger poop instead of putting it towards somethign that makes me more cheeseburgers 21:18 < t12> anyway 21:18 < t12> i suppose therenos could be considered a company that inhoused alot 21:18 < t12> though i dont really know their internal dev history 21:18 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:18 < t12> their patent list certainly implies they pretty much build their own stuff 21:18 < fenn> thewhat? 21:19 < t12> however out the door they're targeting samples on the scale of people on earth 21:19 < t12> https://www.theranos.com/ sorry spelling 21:19 < t12> check out their shady board of directors 21:24 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:24 < kanzure> fenn: regarding "a dollar is a dollar", different dollars are actually valued differently :\ 21:25 < fenn> whatever 21:26 < kanzure> $5k/year maintenance just indicates shitty engineering 21:26 < Lemminkainen> it's a buffer I build into any capex 21:26 < t12> you can spend 2x the design cost 21:26 < kanzure> yes, but that's only because you don't know any better 21:26 < t12> and lower that maint 21:26 < kanzure> yes, if you are not an engineer everything gets super expensive 21:27 < Lemminkainen> time isn't fungible 21:27 < Lemminkainen> and employees are more expensive than service contracts 21:27 < kanzure> that sounds unrelated :) 21:27 < t12> compare cost of service contract 21:27 < kanzure> when you don't know how to do things yes you often have to compromise 21:27 < t12> vs cost of outage 21:27 < t12> and the service contract costs make sense 21:28 < kanzure> one solution to this conundrum is to not be full of shit 21:28 < kanzure> but this is hard and money doesn't really help solve that 21:28 < t12> unless youre doing commodity junk 21:28 < fenn> "Our proprietary infrastructure allows us to perform our test analyses with unprecedented speed. So we can have results to you and your doctor in a matter of hours, not days." that's certainly one compelling argument for vertical integration 21:29 < fenn> shipping to china and back takes a while 21:29 < Lemminkainen> "not be full of shit" right, let me just build everything from scratch myself and still manage to hit readiness to file an IND within 2 years 21:29 < Lemminkainen> keep searching for your one true Scotsman 21:29 < Lemminkainen> I'm sure he exists somewhere 21:29 < kanzure> it's fenn 21:29 < kanzure> i found him 21:29 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29 < t12> lollin @ one true scotsman 21:29 < Lemminkainen> hi fenn 21:30 < kanzure> your inability to execute doesn't really invalidate my point 21:30 < fenn> scotch tape will win the holy war 21:30 < Lemminkainen> mhm, and your criticism of a system you have absolutely no understanding of is very insightful 21:30 < kanzure> yes surely i have zero understanding of this 21:31 < kanzure> are you trying to claim that engineering knowledge can't reduce maintenance costs? 21:31 < t12> are you claiming that because thats true its always worth it? 21:31 < kanzure> that wasn't the conversation 21:31 < Lemminkainen> not saying that, I'm saying that a bloody-minded emphasis on DIY purity is somewhat incompatible with building an organization and product bigger than your garage 21:31 < fenn> .g "shift labs" 21:31 < yoleaux> http://www.shiftlabs.com/ 21:32 < fenn> OMG someone is building something 21:32 < fenn> quick call the industry police 21:32 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: if you have a high growth rate then you can tolerate shitty engineering because you have enough money to cover shoddy shoddyness 21:32 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: i don't think that important problems should only be solved when there's a high growth rate 21:33 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: and i also disagree that organizations are more capable than just people doing shit 21:33 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:33 < kanzure> my money is just as good as an organization's. just because it's in my name does not make my money worth less than an organization's. 21:33 < kanzure> you people are disgusting 21:34 < Lemminkainen> aight, we disagree 21:34 < kanzure> can you be more specific 21:34 < t12> at doing all things? 21:34 < Lemminkainen> don't know about you, but I can disagree with you without thinking you're disgusting 21:34 < t12> depends on what the thing is 21:34 < t12> a bunch of randoms arent going to build the space shuttle 21:34 < Lemminkainen> we have different goals, and those goals have informed different values in actually accomplishing them 21:34 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: i generally hate anyone that thinks poorly. i think you should do the same, because otherwise you're liable to get infected by bad ideas. 21:34 < fenn> hah "DripAssist 21:34 < fenn> Not currently available for sale in the USA. Cannot be shipped to addresses in the USA" 21:34 < t12> should we be less wrong 21:35 < kanzure> t12: "a bunch of randoms" is not specific enough. if you believe that only those blessed by academia can do things, then we'll talk. 21:35 < Lemminkainen> kanzure we're drawing from vastly different requirements here, which is going to lead to thinking about these processes differently 21:35 < t12> bunch of randoms means 21:36 < t12> 'not an organization' 21:36 < Lemminkainen> I have 18 months to prove in vivo efficacy beyond a doubt or this idea dies, that's the constraint I'm dealing with 21:36 < kanzure> Lemminkainen: i already gave you "if you have a high growth rate and other funds to source from, you can tolerate bad engineering because you can just buy replacement parts/servicing" what more do you want 21:36 < fenn> so make an organization, how hard is that 21:36 < t12> Lemminkainen: clearly the next step is designing your own SBS plate alternative 21:36 < kanzure> t12: nobody is claiming that, go fuck yourself 21:38 < fenn> why is everyone in such a crazy rush all the time 21:38 < t12> Lemm: drug dev? 21:38 < Lemminkainen> ish 21:38 < fenn> wouldn't it be better to build a good solid foundation to work on? 21:38 < fenn> instead of throwing piles of cash on top of piles of shit until you have a tower of shit and cash all globbed together and running to the top as fast as you can before it falls over 21:39 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-npmpmikytdenuoji] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:40 < fenn> i think maybe it's a societal effect of too much coffee 21:40 < kanzure> depends on what your goals are 21:40 < fenn> let's spike the water supply with beta blockers and see what happens 21:41 < nmz787_i> y'all think too big, your robots are too big 21:41 < kanzure> bigger robots make maintenance easier 21:41 < kanzure> i don't have 100 micron hands 21:42 < fenn> .wik plenty of room at the bottom 21:42 < yoleaux> ""There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom" was a lecture given by physicist Richard Feynman at an American Physical Society meeting at Caltech on December 29, 1959." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenty_of_Room_at_the_Bottom 21:42 < fenn> nobody listens 21:42 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:42 < Lemminkainen> fenn closest you'll get to the freedom to make solid foundations is generally through only doing SBIRs or self-funding, which can be a slog with the potential to get out-competed before you've even hit the market a hundred times over, but does allow for real depth of planning and execution 21:43 < t12> war has done a pretty historacally good job 21:43 < kanzure> self-funding does not exactly expose you to the threat of competition 21:43 < t12> at tech foundations dev 21:44 < fenn> "...developing a set of one-quarter-scale manipulator hands slaved to the operator's hands to build one-quarter scale machine tools analogous to those found in any machine shop. This set of small tools would then be used by the small hands to build and operate ten sets of one-sixteenth-scale hands and tools, and so forth, culminating in perhaps a billion tiny factories to achieve massively 21:44 < fenn> parallel operations." 21:44 < kanzure> hands are quite complicated 21:44 < fenn> and versatile 21:45 < kanzure> let's just use lasers 21:53 -!- balrog [~balrog@discferret/developer/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 < kanzure> "did neurons evolve from invasive space alien microbes? click here to find out" clickbait has gtten weird 22:01 < kanzure> *gotten 22:02 < fenn> heh check out theranos's shady board member: "Samuel Nunn served as a United States Senator from Georgia for twenty-four years and as Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. He is currently the co-chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI), a charitable organization working to reduce the global threats from 22:02 < fenn> nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. " 22:02 < kanzure> fenn: also, i would like to file a complaint regarding longevity advocates. none of them seem particularly interested in my might-take-longer-than-your-lifetime-but-will-work methods. 22:02 < fenn> i wonder why there are so many military people at theranos 22:03 < fenn> kanzure: well duh, nobody wants to die 22:03 < t12> living forever is useless to the dead 22:03 < fenn> erm, i mean, no longevity advocates want to die 22:03 < kanzure> longevity is not just about you not dying, it's about others not dying as well 22:03 < fenn> yeah but i'm more important 22:03 < kanzure> yes but that doesn't help you solve the damn problem 22:03 < t12> yeah their board is strange 22:04 < t12> my conspiracy is that they want to be the biometric-of-everyone database 22:05 < fenn> Henry Kissinger 22:05 < kanzure> is there a good reason to *not* participate in a multi-generation slution to aging/longevity/life extension? 22:05 < kanzure> *solution 22:05 < t12> but i guess that is countered by: why wouldnt quest diag be that already? 22:06 < fenn> s/slution to/attempt at/ 22:06 < kanzure> .to delinquentme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRUee5S44w 22:06 < yoleaux> kanzure: I'll pass your message to delinquentme. 22:06 < fenn> .title 22:06 < yoleaux> Amon Amarth - Twilight of Thunder God | Full Album 1080p HD - YouTube 22:09 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:10 < fenn> holy crap they list prices https://theranos.com/test-menu?ref=footer 22:11 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:11 < kanzure> there's some stuff in the logs from way back about theranos 22:20 < fenn> i think they just do half the medicare price 22:25 < kanzure> excuse me while i go retreat to my fortress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujuOikKgAE 22:26 < fenn> .title 22:26 < yoleaux> brando and the fortress of solitude - YouTube 22:48 < fenn> some military and medical robots http://skul4aface.blogspot.ca/2013/09/elysium-artwork.html 22:48 < fenn> concept art 22:54 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-npmpmikytdenuoji] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:06 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:35 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Mar 26 00:00:33 2015