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they are using 11:02 < heath> they are using this battery: http://www.cr2032.co/cms/prodimages/mitsubishi_cr2032_datasheet.pdf 11:02 < heath> much smaller and just as efficient as what i had 11:05 < heath> looks like etoncorp.com is the manufacturer of the boards 11:13 -!- delinquentme [c04ded54@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.192.77.237.84] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:13 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:19 < FourFire> heath, what are you building? 11:23 -!- _TK [~TK@82.131.72.183.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:30 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:42 < heath> FourFire: a simple framework for working with bluetooth devices, but i don't like the device i am currently working with 11:43 < FourFire> oh ok 11:43 < FourFire> good luck with that 11:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:48 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:59 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:02 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:06 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- FourFire [FourFire@2a02:270:2015:cafe:5195:8f8e:ee01:af9f] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:25 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:38 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:47 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47 < chris_99> has anyone played with QCM out of interest, the crystals seem fairly cheap 12:47 < chris_99> to play with 12:47 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined 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have a 10MHz rubidium clock and the quartz is also 10mhz 12:59 < chris_99> sooo 12:59 < chris_99> i could calculate diveragence 12:59 < chris_99> :) 13:00 < nmz787_i> allows you to swap in diff crystals/piezos and not have to worry if the resonant freq is diff since you can just adjust to fit 13:01 < nmz787_i> anyone in here use gevent? I'm wondering how it works on Windows, and how it works to accomplish handling more users/connections/requests for Flask... http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/0.10/deploying/wsgi-standalone/#gevent 13:01 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:01 < chris_99> do you use sqlalchemy with Flask, i tried that, but found it somewhat confusing for some reason 13:02 < nmz787_i> currently no db at all 13:02 < nmz787_i> as the operations I need are isolated 13:02 < nmz787_i> (user uploads files, files get processed, processed output needs to be returned) 13:02 < chris_99> ah cool 13:02 < nmz787_i> for now I generate a job token with SHA1 and the upload time the files arrived 13:03 < nmz787_i> and give that token back to the user after upload 13:04 < nmz787_i> only been hacking on this a few nights... but mainly I don't want to get anywhere near sys-admin level work... and gevent was just a python package to install, so it was painless 13:04 < nmz787_i> I just don't know how much it can support 13:04 < nmz787_i> I think I only really need to worry about like 10 users to begin, with near future max of 100 or less (likely less, but just in case...) 13:05 < chris_99> gevent sort of rings a bell, but im not sure what it is, theres #flask or something btw, and the peeps are very helpful 13:05 < nmz787_i> #flask redirected me to #pococo i think 13:05 < chris_99> ah yeah that might be the right channel then 13:05 < nmz787_i> and the one person who responded a few nights ago just said to use virtualbox and spin up a linux install 13:06 < chris_99> oh 13:06 < nmz787_i> which I thought was a good idea, until I remembered I needed to kick off the processing with Windows software 13:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wljpphjthuadzqin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:08 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@46.156.47.69.tmi.telenormobil.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 13:08 < kanzure> chris_99: use flask-sqlalchemy, problem solved 13:09 < kanzure> nmz787_i: yes gevent works on windows 13:09 < nmz787_i> kanzure: I know that! I want to know how and how well 13:09 < nmz787_i> the explanation video here is dead :/ http://blog.gevent.org/2011/03/17/pycon/#comment-4488 13:09 < chris_99> ah, heh, kanzure maybe i wasn't using it properly then 13:10 < kanzure> chris_99: if you are new to flask/sqlalchemy i suggest just using one of the template projects like the flask/celery/gevent/gunicorn/sqlalchemy kit called "kit" 13:10 < nmz787_i> oo I found it http://pyvideo.org/video/377/pycon-2011--using-coroutines-to-create-efficient- 13:10 < kanzure> nmz787_i: on windows i believe the implementation is libevent 13:10 < chris_99> ah cheers, it's been a while since i used it now 13:11 < kanzure> or libev 13:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:30 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:43 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:49 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 < andytoshi> there are 162 emails in my inbox :) hasn't been that low in several years. was over 1500 this morning 14:10 < chris_99> nmz787_i, do you have access to your alibaba accnt atm per chance, to see what that grating was 14:21 < nmz787_i> ah, no, I will do it when I get home though for sure 14:22 < nmz787_i> I could forward you the PDF (just has the geometry required) though in email 14:23 < chris_99> no worries, it's not urgent, oh that'd be cool it's anfractuosity@anfractuosity.com 14:26 < nmz787_i> sent 14:27 < chris_99> cheers got it 14:27 < chris_99> how much was it roughly 14:27 < chris_99> oh doh 14:27 < chris_99> ignore that 14:27 < nmz787_i> :D 14:28 < chris_99> /pc means per piece right though 14:28 < nmz787_i> I contacted him 2 years ago and he said they are still around and making gratings 14:28 < nmz787_i> yep 14:28 < chris_99> i find it interesting that the sensors are so much cheaper 14:28 < chris_99> than the grating 14:35 -!- fenn_ [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 < nmz787_i> lot more camera demand in the world than spectrometers 14:38 < chris_99> mmm 14:38 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:38 -!- fenn [~fenn@unaffiliated/fenn] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:38 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:39 -!- Douhet [~Douhet@unaffiliated/douhet] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:47 < nmz787_i> "My favorite hardware bug story, though, is from my college days, and doesn’t involve chip-level debugging at all. The parents of a friend owned a computer store, and offered me some PC power supplies that were stone dead. Whenever they were turned on, the fuse blew immediately. I spent hours tracing out the circuit diagram on paper, at the end of which it looked to me like a perfectly good power supply, except. . . it just didn’t look right for 14:48 < chris_99> it's cut off the story, i'm curous about the rest 14:48 < chris_99> *its 14:50 < archels> a 110V supply. So I switched the supply from 110V to 220V, plugged it in, turned it on, and voila! A working power supply. What do you know; somebody had installed the switch backwards. 14:51 < archels> doesn't make sense that running a supply configured for 220V at half that would blow the fuse 14:54 < chris_99> haha 14:58 < nmz787_i> http://www.eeweb.com/spotlight/interview-with-tim-edwards 14:58 < nmz787_i> linked from http://opencircuitdesign.com/ 15:00 < nmz787_i> so we have a program that checks out a license file from a server... wondering if there's a way to setup a proxy to record the data packets, then cache them so anytime our program requests the license the proxy cache responds (obviously I don't know what the license consists of so it could be that the data may change each time, I don't know) 15:03 < kanzure> wireshark 15:03 < kanzure> tcpdump 15:03 < kanzure> mitmproxy 15:07 < andytoshi> wireshark is easiest to use for one-off experiments 15:08 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09 < CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2015-04-dna-protein-lattice.html 15:16 < nmz787_i> CaptHindsight: nice 15:16 < nmz787_i> paperbot: CsCl-like packing of lattices composed of identical proteins suggests that each catalase is surrounded by eight neighbors, but that the surface chemistry as well as the shape of the catalase impose distinct orientations of proteins 15:16 < nmz787_i> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-04-dna-protein-lattice.html#jCp 15:16 < nmz787_i> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-04-dna-protein-lattice.html#jCp 15:16 < nmz787_i> sorry, garbage javascript right-click junk 15:16 < nmz787_i> paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1503533112 15:16 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/DNA-mediated%20engineering%20of%20multicomponent%20enzyme%20crystals.pdf 15:20 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- _TK [~TK@85.253.80.232.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:28 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:30 < nmz787_i> 'Maze Router: Lee Algorithm' http://www.ece.northwestern.edu/~haizhou/357/lec6.pdf 15:55 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 16:01 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04 < kanzure> https://soundcloud.com/suffusedmusic/cj-art-levitation-remix 16:05 -!- sheena2 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16 < nmz787_i> that reminds me of the playstation game 'wipeout' 16:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:30 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:35 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:59 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:43 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wljpphjthuadzqin] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:48 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-158-251-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-159-243-40.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:01 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-74-250.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:05 -!- Qfwfq [~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@pool-173-74-74-250.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 < kanzure> andytoshi: you should tell fenn about your bike stuff 19:20 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:32 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 < kanzure> "The colored boxes indicate which CPU core performed layout for each document node. The box around the active tab spinner is askew, because the spinner is a still image styled with transform: rotate(...)." 19:37 < kanzure> http://i.imgur.com/23Snav3.png 19:37 < kanzure> from http://blog.servo.org/2015/04/02/twis-29/ 20:17 < justanotheruser> it looks like they tricked you into looking at reddit 20:18 < kanzure> hm? 20:18 < kanzure> screenshots of reddit to demostrate servo are acceptable because servo 20:41 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:45 < andytoshi> kanzure: good idea, i shall 20:46 < andytoshi> fenn_: so i've got a stereo system on my bike right now (though it is not working pending on my making a new battery case) 20:46 < andytoshi> it also has lights, but these are not connected to the stereo; i want these to be integrated and i also want a radar detector 20:47 < andytoshi> i haven't decided what it'll do, either dim everything when cops are nearby or shut off the stereo and turn on the legally required lights so as to appear law-abiding 20:48 < andytoshi> and to be clear: bike means bicycle 21:08 -!- poohbear is now known as bender 21:08 -!- bender is now known as Guest71858 21:09 -!- Guest71858 is now known as poohbear 21:33 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:38 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:41 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:46 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vttkwizntnafulhe] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:46 -!- carissa [uid76587@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jussrxddthwrnfvg] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:47 -!- nickjohnson [sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqxeqgizhyqzbngh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:49 -!- nickjohnson [sid789@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztzmhwmmzcmmubso] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:49 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cleuzuacecbdjbbj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:50 -!- carissa [uid76587@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cctrddpzyttgvelv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:13 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:58 < nmz787> pretty good price if true ($2/column) http://racexports.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/50013190103-101336474/Chromatography_column_glass.html 23:00 < nmz787> .tell chris_99 seems the alibaba user either doesn't use alibaba anymore, or my messages don't go back far enough in their history... you could try emailing the address in the headers of the email I forwarded you 23:00 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99. 23:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:14 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 23:36 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: still up? --- Log closed Fri Apr 03 00:00:41 2015