--- Log opened Tue Apr 14 00:00:52 2015 00:04 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:07 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 00:12 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:13 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- zadock [~zadock@5-13-165-241.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:34 -!- fauxami_ [~fauxami@69.197.59.174] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 01:34 -!- fauxami_ [fauxami@dialup.top-site.us] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:23 -!- soylentbomb [~k@unaffiliated/soylentbomb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:52 -!- BobaMa [~bobama@kapsi.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:53 -!- jrayhawk_ [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:54 -!- rk[1]_ [~rak@opensource.cse.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:02 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jrayhawk, BobaMa_, rk[1], fauxami_ 03:34 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:04 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:13 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:50 < chris_99> http://sxm4.uni-muenster.de/stm-en/ 04:50 < yoleaux> 00:00Z chris_99: nope, they kept telling me they sent it and to wait, and then that they sent a second (and maybe a third) and eventually I had to dispute the sale and got my money back.... not sure how realistic their claims were or if it was just some ebay scam where I essentially loaned them $130 for a few months... 04:50 < chris_99> anyone seen that 04:52 -!- zadock [~zadock@5-13-169-174.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:54 -!- Adlai`` is now known as adlai 05:13 -!- zadock [~zadock@5-13-169-174.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:21 < fenn> yes 05:22 < chris_99> oh i just found this one too, which has got some pretty photos - http://dberard.com/home-built-stm/ 05:34 < kanzure> beep 05:36 < chris_99> boop 05:36 < chris_99> theres no reason you couldn't image dies with STM is there? 05:41 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnzgcjnbifojlcfp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:44 < CaptHindsight> who does your machine work? Does anyone here have a machine shop> 05:44 < CaptHindsight> ? 05:51 < kanzure> well, i have an imaginary/pretend machine shop... does that count? 05:52 < adlai> kanzure: can i give paperbot an isbn? 05:52 < kanzure> you would have to submit a copy of paperbot to the library of congress, but uh sure 05:53 < adlai> ironically, the book i'm looking for was written by the guy who killed english to avoid precisely such miscommunication :P 05:53 * adlai rephrases: can i feed paperbot an isbn? 05:53 < kanzure> oh! no, probably not. i don't remember implementing that sort of thing. 05:53 < kanzure> submit a patch? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbont 05:53 < kanzure> oops 05:53 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot 05:54 < adlai> writing code to do this would imply that i have some algorithm and i just want to get paperbot running it, instead of me 05:54 < kanzure> if you submit a patch then i'll get paperbot to run it 05:55 < adlai> but i don't know how to find fulltext given isbn 05:55 * adlai is still busy trying to hunt down a digital copy of https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17436963-the-troika-incident 05:55 < adlai> .title 05:55 < yoleaux> adlai: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. 05:56 < adlai> ! 05:56 < kanzure> http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2015/visualizing-matrix-multiplication-as-a-linear-combination/ 05:56 < adlai> fine, i'll replace linguistic dreamery with math 05:59 < CaptHindsight> chris_99: what sort of dies? 05:59 < chris_99> silicon 06:00 < CaptHindsight> http://dberard.com/home-built-stm/stm-scans/ that graphite scan is ~2nm across, not bad 06:00 < CaptHindsight> sorry 4nm 06:04 < CaptHindsight> would a combo STM, nano-EDM (sinker) be handy? 06:08 < CaptHindsight> http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800697699_480200_NT_565b6218.HTM this could be made for a few $K or less depending on whats in your junk drawer 06:15 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-59-25.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:41 < kanzure> rates and fees for lab animals http://ular.osu.edu/rates-and-fees/ 06:41 < kanzure> "Beginning in FY 2012, all rodents are now charged by the cage, rather than by the individual animal. " 06:42 < kanzure> http://ular.osu.edu/files/2014/07/ULAR_FY15-Per-Diem-Rates.pdf 06:46 < kanzure> feed costs http://www.bussvc.wisc.edu/purch/contract/wp5082.html 06:47 < kanzure> 06:44 I'm surprised you haven't hopped on the GDF-11 train 06:47 < kanzure> 06:46 the gdfwho? 06:47 < kanzure> 06:46 growth differentiation factor 11? 06:47 < kanzure> 06:46 the whole 'young blood transfusion' thing 06:47 < cpopell7> yeah 07:06 < kanzure> via eleitl: http://www.lowrisc.org/blog/2015/04/lowrisc-tagged-memory-preview-release/ 07:08 < FourFire> kanzure, how is feed determined to effect the animal's natural health, and what about it's environment: I imagine that a cage isn't very stimulating (not about animal rights, just scientific confounders) 07:08 < kanzure> "We're pleased to announce the first lowRISC preview release, demonstrating support for tagged memory as described in our memo. Our ambition with lowRISC is to provide an open-source System-on-Chip platform for others to build on, along with low-cost development boards featuring a reference implementation. ... The initial motivation for tagged memory was to prevent control-flow hijacking attacks, though there are a range of other ... 07:08 < kanzure> ... potential uses including fine-grained memory synchronisation, garbage collection, and debug tools." 07:08 < kanzure> FourFire: millions of caged animals are used for testing all the time. at this point the strains are probably highly adapted to cagelife. 07:09 < FourFire> ok 07:09 < FourFire> there's special lineages of labrats I suppose 07:09 < kanzure> yep 07:10 < FourFire> like those siberian bred wolves with very petlike characteristics 07:10 < FourFire> I wonder, does the lowRISC arch suffer vulnerability to Rowhammer 07:11 < kanzure> i thought rowhammer was just dram 07:14 < kanzure> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/ 07:14 < kanzure> "We are developing a prototype of the CHERI ISA using the Bluespec Extensible RISC Implementation (BERI), a 64-bit MIPS FPGA soft core implemented in the Bluespec HDL. The FreeBSD operating system, with Capsicum support, has also been ported to CHERI in order to allow us to compare, side-by-side, traditional software compartmentalisation approaches (based on a translation look-aside buffer (TLB)), with those supported by a capability ... 07:14 < kanzure> ... coprocessor. Using commodity software stacks, such as FreeBSD, LLVM, and the Chromium web browser, allows us to validate our hybrid design, applying capability-based compartmentalisation selectively to support both our most trusted (OS kernel, low-level language runtimes), and least trustworthy (web browsers and servers), software components" 07:16 < cpopell7> http://www.nature.com/news/ageing-research-blood-to-blood-1.16762 07:20 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:24 < kanzure> .title 07:24 < yoleaux> Ageing research: Blood to blood : Nature News & Comment 07:34 < kanzure> portable cnc router http://www.michaelwarrendesign.com/grow/Grow_CNC/Home.html 07:35 < kanzure> somewhat portable 08:11 < chris_99> Patent Pending ey 08:15 < kanzure> and now for your regular dosage of elon musk propaganda http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2012-09-13/features_elonmusk38__01__405inline.jpg 08:15 < chris_99> haha 08:15 < chris_99> that'd make a cool poster 08:23 < eudoxia> it looks like he's flying away from an explosion at the launch pad 08:50 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:57 < kanzure> "People who ace standard cognitive tests are in fact slightly more likely to have a "bias blind spot". That is, they are less able to see their own flaws, even when though they are quite capable of criticising the foibles of others. And they have a greater tendency to fall for the "gambler's fallacy" - the idea that if a tossed coin turns heads 10 times, it will be more likely to fall tails on the 11th." 08:59 < kanzure> 08:59 <@gwern> kanzure: ah, I remember that bullshit study. it focused on a tiny tiny subset where the smart people did not seem to perform better, and those were relative biases so it didn't even show that they were wrong 09:02 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:08 < kanzure> https://www.neworgan.org/prize.php "An estimated 35% of all U.S. deaths could be prevented or significantly delayed by organ transplantation. Kidney transplants are $260,000 in the U.S. Immunosuppressants, which must be taken annually, cost $10,000 per year. The New Organ Liver Prize will award $1,000,000 to the first team that creates a regenerative or bioengineered solution that keeps a large animal alive for 90 days without native ... 09:08 < kanzure> ... liver function. Future challenge prizes will cover additional whole organs." 09:08 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:09 < kanzure> "We're also currently exploring a prize focused on organ preservation with the Organ Preservation Alliance, a coalition incubated by Singularity University Labs." 09:09 < kanzure> "In collaboration with the Organ Preservation Alliance, New Organ is investigating an organ preservation prize to advance breakthroughs in the long-term preservation of vital organs." 09:10 < CaptHindsight> my money is one not actually storing but making a digital copy and then printing a new one later 09:10 < CaptHindsight> one/on 09:10 < kanzure> why would it matter whether the copy is digital or not 09:10 < kanzure> and why would it matter whether it is printed or not.... wtf? 09:11 < CaptHindsight> rather than store the original organic material 09:12 < CaptHindsight> it doesn't matter if it's the original or not unless there is some moral issue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_6th_Day 09:15 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:15 -!- nmz787_i1 [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-mjjupihxnyrxcuru] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:17 < CaptHindsight> what exactly is organovo selling? http://www.organovo.com/tissues-services/3d-human-tissues-medical-research-therapeutics 09:18 < CaptHindsight> non-working tissues and overpriced printers? 09:20 < nmz787_i1> CaptHindsight: I'd imagine if they can use your own cells and revert them to i.e. kidney, that the printed organ could be moderately effective at least relative to dialysis treatment... I think the problem at this point is lack of experimentation on people-about-to-die (people who want to try experimental treatment is just gaining some steam it seems) 09:21 < nmz787_i1> http://www.organovo.com/tissue-service-inquiries 09:32 < CaptHindsight> nmz787: lets say you can print a new kidney now using the exact DNA or with slight mods in case the cause of of failure is genetic... 09:34 < CaptHindsight> is there any clue to how the body reacts long term to those mods? 09:35 < CaptHindsight> I'm just wonder if gene therapy will be the future or if organs will have to be printed and transplanted 09:38 < CaptHindsight> over time what regulates which DNA stays in the cells of an organ? 09:44 < heath> chris_99: google for stm site:gnusha.org/logs for a fun time 09:44 < heath> bettery yet grep for stm and filter links 09:44 < chris_99> ah cheers 09:46 < chris_99> heh quite a lot of results 09:51 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-59-25.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:57 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: organ transplants tend to require immunosuppressants so that your immune system doesn't kill yourself 09:58 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: if the organ is from someone else 09:58 < kanzure> that's overly simplistic 09:59 < CaptHindsight> what I'm wondering is if the printed organ only has slight mods to correct a genetic defect 09:59 < CaptHindsight> at sure at some point how much it's been modified triggers an immune system reaction 09:59 < kanzure> well if you define your problem as "it's totally the same organ but one or two things changed" then by definition there's no way anyone could argue with you..... 09:59 < CaptHindsight> at/I/m 09:59 < kanzure> almost everything triggers a reaction 10:00 < chris_99> paperbot: http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/139/10/2825.abstract 10:00 < CaptHindsight> how well it this understood? 10:00 < paperbot> http://libgen.info/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1149%2F1.2068987 10:01 < kanzure> there's tens of thousands of organ transplants per year. how do you want to measure understanding? 10:01 < kanzure> (or more) 10:02 < CaptHindsight> down to the molecular level 10:02 < CaptHindsight> why and how does it happen 10:07 < nmz787_i1> CaptHindsight: depends on where the mod is 10:07 < nmz787_i1> CaptHindsight: i.e. only protein fragments set off the main concerns around immunoreactions AFAIK 10:07 < nmz787_i1> stuff that get's presented on the cell surface 10:07 < nmz787_i1> so if the mod was in a promoter, I doubt there'd be any notice 10:08 < nmz787_i1> CaptHindsight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex 10:08 < nmz787_i1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex#In_transplant_rejection 10:08 < archels> I don't think there's an actual microfluidics device here to take photos of 10:09 * archels will keep looking 10:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:18 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-59-25.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:34 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:35 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:46 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:55 -!- Guest16065 is now known as maaku 10:57 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-52-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-59-25.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-52-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11 < nmz787_i1> is waag prnounced like 'wag' as in 'the dog wags its tail' or is it like 'waug' as in 'I'm a maug, half man, half dog' 11:28 -!- drewbot_ [~cinch@ec2-54-162-148-61.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:28 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-162-148-61.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36 -!- nmz787_i1 [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-mjjupihxnyrxcuru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:37 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [] 11:39 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:40 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:41 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:43 -!- nmz787_i1 [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-pjuzycocpwrgfbfd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:12 < kanzure> http://livestream.com/spacex/events/3959775 13:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:17 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.42] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- nmz787_i1 [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-pjuzycocpwrgfbfd] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:20 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-XI58YeQc 13:21 -!- golfwang [~whereismy@112.133.196.41] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:22 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZLG9m1idkI 13:23 < yoleaux> SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket crash landing on autonomous spaceport drone ship - YouTube 13:23 < yoleaux> SpaceX Barge/ASDS Being Worked On, Fueled, and Towed out of Jacksonville Port on 2015-01-08 - YouTube 13:24 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@208.83.72.113] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:25 < heath> hi jdolan 13:25 < jdolan> o/ 13:26 < kanzure> not another jperson 13:32 < heath> kanzure: jdolan is sitting beside me atm 13:32 < heath> https://github.com/jdolan/ 13:33 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnzgcjnbifojlcfp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:37 < jdolan> and now i go home :) 13:37 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@208.83.72.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48 < heath> recommendations on lawyers who can type up a decent `terms and conditions` and `privacy policy`? 13:59 < kanzure> .g site:news.ycombinator.com "terms and conditions" lawyer 13:59 < yoleaux> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2910571 13:59 < kanzure> .title 13:59 < yoleaux> Poll: Where did you get your site/app's Terms of Service & Privacy Policy? | Hacker News 14:07 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [] 14:09 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:09 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:10 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:11 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Client Quit] 14:19 < nmz787_i> heath: I've dealt with Grellas.com 14:19 < nmz787_i> heath: he posts on HN sometimes, pretty decent feedback 14:23 -!- fauxami_ [fauxami@dialup.top-site.us] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:37 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:38 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:48 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: gone] 14:55 -!- Joseph_P [~JosephP@c-65-96-232-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:11 < kanzure> Joseph_P: hi 15:12 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:18 < Joseph_P> kanzure: hi 15:19 < jrayhawk_> jrayhawk: hi 15:45 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:47 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:48 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:59 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:05 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:49 < nmz787_i> http://seekingalpha.com/news/2423436-bloomberg-disgruntled-altera-shareholders-pushing-for-intel-deal 17:11 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@2601:3:8200:11a7:5d0d:51ed:a426:d428] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:17 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.54.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:33 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@c-71-225-211-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [] 18:06 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:18 < kanzure> .tw 588144086755999744 18:18 < yoleaux> If this works, I'm treating myself to a volcano lair. It's time. (@elonmusk) 18:21 < kanzure> http://www.aucklandcivildefence.org.nz/media/48896/2015-03-27-Auckland-Volcanic-Field-Contingency-Plan-Version-2-.pdf 18:26 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:33 < kanzure> "No results found for "Jonathan Pitre" cryonics." seriously? 18:33 < kanzure> wtf is wrong with you people 18:49 < heath> nmz787: ty sir 18:50 < heath> kanzure: oh nice, thanks for the link 18:54 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ6tZtGrShg 18:54 < yoleaux> Elons Tour of SpaceX HD - YouTube 19:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:35 < heath> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hvpoLKJHOw 19:35 < yoleaux> How to build a brain with Python - YouTube 19:39 < heath> talking about https://github.com/nengo/nengo 19:48 -!- delinquentme [~textual@74.61.157.78] has quit [] 20:07 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66.161.138.110] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by bear] 20:18 < nmz787> https://hackaday.io/project/5150-arduino-ide-for-esp8266-quickstart-guide 20:18 < nmz787> .title 20:18 < yoleaux> Arduino IDE for ESP8266 Quickstart Guide • Hackaday.io 20:26 < adlai> nengo's license is fun reading 20:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 < catern> wooo transhumanism 20:50 < kanzure> hm? 20:51 < catern> nothing 20:51 < kanzure> are you sure 20:52 < catern> it's because this is the only transhumanist channel I'm in, what with #lesswrong becoming more and more terrible 20:52 < catern> are there any other good ones? 20:52 < kanzure> no 20:52 < kanzure> this is the island 20:52 < catern> oh 20:52 < kanzure> this is it 20:52 < catern> oh 20:52 < catern> :( 20:52 < kanzure> we have eight years of logs, have fun http://gnusha.org/logs 20:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 < kanzure> dunno what to tell you, lesswrong just does not seem to incubate the right sort of people 21:02 < catern> well it had a pretty big positive impact on me but the community has degenerated pretty hard 21:02 < Quashie> I keep meaning to go to a meetup 21:02 < Quashie> but it's so easy to just chill with hacker schoolers instead 21:03 < Quashie> who, I must say, are totally the best cult 21:14 < catern> are they? 21:14 < catern> but 21:14 < catern> I have a prejudice against web development 21:20 < nmz787> what would I use to draw lines that werehighlightable by groups on web? css classes? 21:20 < nmz787> highlight lines that were drawn* 21:21 < nmz787> does SVG allow classes that CSS can hook onto? 21:21 < nmz787> that hovering over would also work into? 21:35 < nmz787> paperbot: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cog/ct/2014/00000023/00000012/art00013 21:35 < Quashie> what about web development? 21:36 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Functional_Regeneration_of_Supraspinal_Connections_in_a_Patient_With_Transected_Spinal_Cord_Following_T 21:36 < nmz787> ransplantation_of_Bulbar_Olfactory_Ensheathing_Cells_With_Peripheral_Nerve_Bridging.pdf 21:36 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Functional_Regeneration_of_Supraspinal_Connections_in_a_Patient_With_Transected_Spinal_Cord_Following_Transplantation_of_Bulbar_Olfactory_Ensheathing_Cells_With_Peripheral_Nerve_Bridging.pdf 21:42 -!- Taek [~quassel@2001:41d0:1:472e::] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:45 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 21:48 -!- smokeink [~smoke@221.7.213.16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:48 < smokeink> !help 21:50 < adlai> paperbot: Common LISP Modules: Artificial Intelligence in the Era of Neural Networks and Chaos Theory 21:50 < smokeink> paperbot: hi 21:51 < catern> Quashie: that it's beneath me and is just unchallenging grunt work 21:53 < Quashie> yeah but how did it come up 21:53 < catern> Quashie: oh, hacker school teaches web development doesn't it? 21:53 < Quashie> no, it doesn't teach anything 21:53 < Quashie> actually they changed the name to recurse centre because people thought they were a school 21:54 < Quashie> also people got the wrong impression from "hacker" 21:54 < catern> oh 21:54 < catern> what impression did they get from hacker? 21:54 < Quashie> it's really more of a writer's retreat, people just work on whatever 21:54 < Quashie> like, black hat 21:54 < catern> lol 21:55 < Quashie> plenty of people post-hacker school are not doing web dev, myself included 21:55 < catern> ok 21:55 < catern> sorry for my misunderstanding 21:56 < Quashie> nah, it's a common misunderstanding, hence the name change (which I'm still taking time to get used to) 21:57 < Quashie> at pycon something like 10 of the talks were by various hacker schoolers 22:02 < nmz787> web is quite pervasive, and has a ton of standardization behind it (which is more to say than the longest running non-web GUI projects) 22:02 < nmz787> of course all the security and performance stuff to think about is quite a bit different than end-client/desktop dev 22:03 < Quashie> I guess it depends what you mean by "web dev" 22:04 < Quashie> I mean, I've been working on an analytics engline, but the primary place that it'll be consumed is a web app 22:04 < Quashie> *engine 22:20 < nmz787> I've been trying to really wrap my head around whether model view controller could make for an easy any-interface app 22:30 < smokeink> paperbot: Common LISP Modules: Artificial Intelligence in the Era of Neural Networks and Chaos Theory 22:52 < nmz787> smokeink: that isn't how it works 22:52 < nmz787> you need to give it a link 22:54 < smokeink> paperbot:http://www.markwatson.com/books/lispbook.zip 22:54 < paperbot> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8b84fb688204aaab91acc1e7dfa9424c.txt 22:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:04 < adlai> smokeink: http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=3aa83fe54841ee843ed6aa84a4b7db5e 23:13 < smokeink> thanks 23:45 < nmz787> bam http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/ele/4979382883.html 23:46 < nmz787> .title 23:46 < yoleaux> Electron Microscope SEM Jeol JSM-T200 --- Log closed Wed Apr 15 00:00:53 2015