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We are now one company! [....] The company has a new name: Springer Nature [....] Together Springer Nature will number almost 13,000 staff in over 50 countries. We have much to learn from each other over the coming months but our starting point is that we already have much in common and our products complement each other. ... 05:49 < kanzure> ... Based on this we will, together with you, expand and invest in our range of products and services, supported by top class efficient and agile operational units. This combination will allow us to continuously improve our services to researchers, students, teachers and professionals. [...]" 06:01 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:05 < kanzure> https://coinado.io/ has decided to not be tor-only 06:08 < Qfwfq> What's the onion? 06:10 < Qfwfq> http://coinado7d6tauhlz.onion is linked in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1023320.0 but 404s 06:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:11 -!- poppingtonic [brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- poppingtonic [brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:28 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:32 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:46 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:47 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:48 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:01 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.70] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:01 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02 -!- ButaTine [~FourFire@mail.neptuneproperties.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:02 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-cnanbdeazurnxosu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:23 < TMA> Qfwfq: .onion is naming for tor hidden services -- you will need tor to access it 07:24 < kanzure> that's not what Qfwfq asked 07:26 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-73-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:36 < TMA> kanzure: I do not concur. I gather it is precisely what Qfwfq asked. I might be mistaken though. However I do not think the inquiry was related to the vegetable/plant (Allium cepa). 07:37 -!- poppingtonic [brian@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:40 < kanzure> he was asking which onion address 07:59 < Qfwfq> If I wasn't running a HS resolver, I'd have complained about DNS resolution. 08:08 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-cnanbdeazurnxosu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:14 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/paperbot] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.41] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:20 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- delinquentme 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repurposed laser tag place 15:17 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:32 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:33 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:33 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:36 -!- Stygian_ [~sudonym@70-57-88-117.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:48 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:51 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@192.77.237.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined 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This approach could be extended to other animals and plants and could lead to a new class of bionic materials for ultimate applications." 16:40 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has quit [Quit: Awesomeing] 16:45 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:54 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-snxkfxvsknrqbmjs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.137.71] has quit [Client Quit] 18:07 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46 -!- Merovoth [~Merovoth@unaffiliated/merovoth] has quit [] 18:54 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-24-149-24.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:21 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30 -!- Quashie [~boingredd@50.14.92.17] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 19:37 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Quit: upgrading] 20:13 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:36 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Quit: irssi sure hates me] 20:36 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:57 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:57 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@nursie.omgwallhack.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:27 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: reboot] 21:56 < kanzure> 19:58 < bramc> Somewhat off topic for bitcoin: It turns out that reverse pynchon gate is totally possible, using a clever trick I should have figured out ten years ago: http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.06115 22:06 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-11-127.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:06 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-11-127.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 22:23 < kanzure> "Earlier in my Bitcoin experience I thought that decentralization would be more like a threshold effect: it will be very high if costs are sufficiently low, and very low if costs are sufficiently high. I still believe that there are thresholds, but there is more going on than that... Maybe decentralization in Bitcoin works more like the "Linear no threshold" theory for radioactive damage on living tissue, if so that puts us into a sticky ... 22:23 < kanzure> ... situation of juggling a value judgement over "how much" decentralization is enough. This is a very hard question because Bitcoin is a huge tent that draws a lot of people with different opinions on why Bitcoin is valuable in the first place." 22:23 < kanzure> "You're mistaking what we need full nodes for. We don't need them to provide a service, for the most part. Just a few nodes can do that... We need them because we need users to individually protect their own security and autonomy by using their own nodes instead of trusting third parties. If most users depend on a few large commercial parties to handle the Bitcoin network for them; then Bitcoin just becomes a federated paypal with an ... 22:24 < kanzure> ... unpredictable security model. Bitcoin can offer the stable properties it offers because full nodes enforce the rules of the network without trusting others." 22:24 < kanzure> "And if you're concerned about the FED attacking Bitcoin, if the response to pressure is to keep upping the size even if it harms decentralization the analogous attack is to just keep the load up to cranking the size until only a few large institutions run nodes, and then pay them off (or via regulatory authority) order them do to whatever you want (as we've just seen with ripple). This seems a lot more potent than short term denial of ... 22:24 < kanzure> ... service attacks that require spending tons of funds to continue them." 22:55 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04 -!- nmz787 [~nmz787@unaffiliated/nmz787] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:05 < nmz787> .title https://hackaday.io/project/5460-aspirin-for-everyone 23:05 < yoleaux> Aspirin for everyone • Hackaday.io 23:17 < kanzure> paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.06751 23:17 < paperbot> ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=1969): Max retries exceeded with url: /web (Caused by : [Errno 111] Connection refused) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 375, in send) 23:17 < kanzure> .title 23:17 < yoleaux> [1504.06751] Silk reinforced with graphene or carbon nanotubes spun by spiders 23:17 -!- paperbot [~paperbot@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/paperbot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17 < kanzure> that's pretty metal 23:25 < kanzure> "I used to be for an increase in the block size. But I have to admit, after learning about routed clearing networks (eg. Amiko-pay and Lightning Network) that work on top of Bitcoin, I'm much less inclined to support an increase in block size. Bryan's comment highlights exactly this: we can scale Bitcoin by building on top of it, but we need the foundation that is the Bitcoin blockchain to be secure and decentralized, in order for this ... 23:25 < kanzure> ... to work. If we lose that, we lose everything, including the stuff built on top. In other words: building on top of a solid foundation of a decentralized blockchain can solve scalability problems. But if we start altering the foundation, we might find that it becomes too brittle (centralized) to act as a solid foundation, and we lose everything -- both the foundation, and what's built on top of it." 23:41 < nmz787> .title http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00442-014-2908-8 23:41 < yoleaux> Highly reduced mass loss rates and increased litter layer in radioactively contaminated areas - Springer 23:42 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Highly_reduced_mass_loss_rates_and_increased_litter_layer_in_radioactively_contaminated_areas.pdf 23:44 -!- sheena [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:50 -!- bkero [~bkero@216.151.13.66] has quit [Changing host] 23:50 -!- bkero [~bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:51 < nmz787> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Complex_archaea_that_bridge_the_gap_between_prokaryotes_and_eukaryotes.pdf 23:52 < nmz787> found via - http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2015/05/deep-ocean-microbe-closest-living-relative-complex-cells 23:52 < nmz787> .title 23:52 < yoleaux> Deep-ocean microbe is closest living relative of complex cells | Science/AAAS | News --- Log closed Thu May 07 00:00:04 2015