--- Log opened Tue May 12 00:00:09 2015 00:09 -!- fredox_ [~chatzilla@c27-253-11-127.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-11-127.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11 -!- fredox_ is now known as fredox 00:27 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:28 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 -!- helleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:47 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-71-241-254-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:50 -!- Burn_ [~Burn@pool-71-241-254-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:52 -!- zadock [~zadock@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:36 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:24 < kanzure> beep 03:51 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05 -!- Beatzebub [~beatzebub@d75-155-236-222.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Beatzebub] 04:27 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9530386 04:27 < yoleaux> Electric brain stimulation decreases IQ scores and racial prejudice | Hacker News 04:39 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsfsjmbokpvqnamc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-2-24.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:55 < kanzure> "An overview of ramanujan's notebooks" http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~berndt/articles/aachen.pdf 04:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:11 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@66-161-138-110.ubr1.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@208.83.72.113] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:44 -!- augur [~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:47 < heath> http://concourse.ci/index.html 07:47 < heath> https://github.com/starkandwayne/concourse-tutorial 08:21 -!- narwh4l [~michael@unaffiliated/thesnark] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:53 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-2-24.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:55 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@208.83.72.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- gnusha_ [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration (4 times) | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | http://diyhpl.us/wiki | "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" - george church 10:01 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Mon Mar 23 17:39:20 2015] 10:01 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 10:01 [@fenn ] [ Daeken ] [ kanzure ] [ sheena1 ] 10:01 [ abetusk ] [ danielpbarron ] [ maaku ] [ sivoais ] 10:01 [ Adlai ] [ Douhet ] [ mf1008 ] [ Souljack ] 10:01 [ altersid ] [ dpk ] [ MrHindsight] [ strages ] 10:01 [ andytoshi ] [ drewbot ] [ narwh4l ] [ strangewarp ] 10:01 [ archels ] [ dustinm ] [ nickjohnson] [ streety ] 10:01 [ augur ] [ EnabrinTain ] [ night ] [ superkuh ] 10:01 [ balrog ] [ fauxami_ ] [ nmz787 ] [ Taek ] 10:01 [ berndj ] [ gnusha_ ] [ nsh ] [ TetraFlame ] 10:01 [ bkero ] [ heath ] [ ParahSailin] [ the8thbit|work] 10:01 [ blueskin ] [ hehelleshin ] [ pasky ] [ ThomasEgi ] 10:01 [ BobaMa_ ] [ HEx1 ] [ poohbear ] [ thundara ] 10:01 [ Burnin8 ] [ JayDugger ] [ Qfwfq ] [ Urchin ] 10:01 [ CaptHindsight] [ jdolan ] [ Quashie ] [ Viper168 ] 10:01 [ catern ] [ jrayhawk ] [ rigel ] [ vivi ] 10:01 [ chris_99 ] [ juri_ ] [ rk[1] ] [ yoleaux ] 10:01 [ cluckj ] [ justanotheruser] [ saurik ] [ yorick ] 10:01 [ crescendo ] [ juul ] [ seba-uni ] [ zadock ] 10:01 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 72 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 71 normal] 10:02 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 10:02 -!- TMA [tma@twin.jikos.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 10 secs 10:02 -!- fredox [~chatzilla@c27-253-11-127.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:06 -!- dingo [dingo@1984.ws] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:18 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@2601:3:8200:11a7:155d:45dd:5fd3:7f4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:26 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 < delinquentme> GGG kanzure, binary searchs through excel files. Is there some magic reason why a excel file search for a string representation in a binary 10:54 < delinquentme> is not matching? 10:55 < kanzure> they encode data differently 11:07 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-214.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:22 < delinquentme> kanzure, so you're saying its binary ... but a novel non-standard binary encoding ? 11:22 < delinquentme> sdf 11:27 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2601:9:4681:1000:2cf4:e3c:c48:a315] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@c-50-161-66-31.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- zadock [~zadock@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 11:52 -!- maaku [~quassel@50-0-37-37.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- maaku is now known as Guest18989 12:41 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- sheena1 [~home@S0106c8be196316d1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:25 <@fenn> "the IQ scores of people who underwent tDCS brain stimulation improved markedly less than did the IQ scores of people in the placebo group." is it just me or does this not make sense? IQ scores are not supposed to change 13:26 < kanzure> heh 13:26 < kanzure> i would expect at least some forms of brain stimulation to cause impairment on iq scoring 13:27 <@fenn> but "improved less" is an odd way of phrasing an impairment 13:29 < kanzure> we don't have nearly enough brain-related SNPs on the genetic modifications wiki page 13:30 <@fenn> "Frohlich expected that most, if not all, IQ scores would improve because of the practice effect" 13:30 <@fenn> lame 13:30 <@fenn> my understanding is that there isn't very much genetics of intelligence research because "racism!" 13:32 < kanzure> http://snpedia.com/index.php/Autism 13:32 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hsccrhytwkbtgybj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 <@fenn> would have expected more 13:34 <@fenn> "Repetitively stacking or lining up objects is a behavior sometimes associated with individuals with autism." 13:34 < kanzure> mathematical ability: rs11225308, rs363449, rs17278234, rs11154532, rs12199332, rs12613365, rs6588923, rs2300052, rs6947045 and rs1215603 13:35 <@fenn> http://iqdb.cbi.pku.edu.cn/snp.html "IQ related genes database" 13:36 <@fenn> i don't understand the columns and how it is supposed to relate to IQ though 13:38 <@fenn> presumably there is some other data relating IQ to haplotype, which isn't quite direct enough to draw conclusions from 13:38 < archels> P < 0.04999999999 13:38 <@fenn> genetics is such a pain in the ass 13:38 < archels> no, really, we mean it 13:39 < kanzure> two of the genes from that page: 13:39 < kanzure> .wik NRCAM 13:39 < yoleaux> "Neuronal cell adhesion molecule is a protein that in humans is encoded by the NRCAM gene." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRCAM 13:40 < kanzure> .wik reelin 13:40 < yoleaux> "Reelin is a large secreted extracellular matrix glycoprotein that helps regulate processes of neuronal migration and positioning in the developing brain by controlling cell–cell interactions. Besides this important role in early development, reelin continues to work in the adult brain." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reelin 13:41 <@fenn> "FADS1 fatty acid desaturase - allergic rhinitis dermatitis and eczema" i probably have the bad version of this one 13:43 < kanzure> neurotrophin-3 "The protein encoded by this gene, NT-3, is a neurotrophic factor in the NGF (Nerve Growth Factor) family of neurotrophins. It is a protein growth factor which has activity on certain neurons of the peripheral and central nervous system; it helps to support the survival and differentiation of existing neurons, and encourages the growth and differentiation of new neurons and synapses. NT-3 was the third neurotrophic factor ... 13:43 < kanzure> ... to be characterized, after nerve growth factor (NGF) and BDNF (Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor).[3]" 13:44 < kanzure> "NT-3 binds three receptors on the surface of cells which are capable of responding to this growth factor" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotrophin-3 13:45 < kanzure> CHRM2 ("muscarinic acetylcholine receptor M2") "... However, a larger 2009 study attempting to replicate this claim instead found no significant association between the CHRM2 gene and intelligence.[6]" 13:48 < kanzure> "NrCAM deletion causes topographic mistargeting of thalamocortical axons to the visual cortex and disrupts visual acuity" 13:48 < kanzure> cool 13:49 <@fenn> ...in mice 13:54 -!- zadock [~zadock@81.180.210.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:55 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@2601:3:8200:11a7:155d:45dd:5fd3:7f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-54-95-214.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:59 <@fenn> it's hard to believe an acetylcholine receptor is not related to intelligence 14:00 <@fenn> "Using a test of within-family association, which controls for the possible effects of population stratification, a highly significant association was found between the CHRM2 gene and intelligence. The strongest association was between rs324650 and performance IQ (PIQ), where the T allele was associated with an increase of 4.6 PIQ points." N=667 dutch people 14:01 <@fenn> .wik performance IQ 14:01 < yoleaux> "The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is a test designed to measure intelligence in adults and older adolescents. It is currently in its fourth edition (WAIS-IV). The original WAIS (Form I) was published in February 1955 by David Wechsler, as a revision of the Wechsler-Bellevue Intelligence Scale that had been released in 1939." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_IQ 14:01 <@fenn> is there some other IQ? 14:02 < archels> g 14:02 <@fenn> verbal comprehension and working memory are not included in PIQ 14:02 < archels> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_%28psychometrics%29 14:03 <@fenn> i don't get how you're supposed to make a vocabulary test culture-neutral 14:04 <@fenn> a baloo is a bear 14:07 <@fenn> unfairly advantages kids who have watched the cartoon talespin 14:10 <@fenn> (from an actual vocabulary aptitude test i took in elementary school) 14:12 -!- jdolan [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:13 < kanzure> what are the implications of that memory methylation stuff turning out to be factually true? 14:15 -!- jdolan_ [~jdolan@c-50-188-243-111.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 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