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00:06 < kanzure> https://github.com/Blockstream/borromean_paper/raw/master/borromean_draft_0.01_58a5cbc.pdf
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00:10 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I
00:10 < yoleaux> Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube
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00:18 < kanzure> (from 2013)
00:20 < nmz787_i1> jrayhawk: steamroom then oven to dry or what?
00:23 < kanzure> fenn: those pagemaker and pdf files probably belong on the internet archive somewhere
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01:08 < kanzure> http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08034.html
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02:33 < jrayhawk> Dunno if ovening helps; I just sortof assume steaming will vastly reduce the lifespan of most of the components and transfer everything off as soon as possible.
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04:04 < archels> jrayhawk: surely that doesn't actually work—physically transferring the platters from one drive to another?
04:05 < archels> is this apocryphal or have you actually done this?
04:11 < archels> "Cyberpunk Books-by-Phone"
04:11 < archels> haha this is such a trove
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04:41 < archels> "Intelligence is like pornography: We can’t define it, but we know it when we see it."
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06:57 < kanzure> beep
06:57 < JayDugger> boop.
06:58 < kanzure> ah..
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08:20 < kanzure> 08:17 < gavinandresen> mmm, I suppose we should stop working on this bitcoin thing and all help out with immortality research, more important problem to solve first.....
08:22 <@fenn> hey i actually agree with him for once
08:23 < kanzure> isn't it great that all the bitcoiners are almost completely transhumanist? :-)
08:23 <@fenn> oh i figured it was a sarcastic reply to something
08:23 < kanzure> he was being somewhat sarcastic, but i don't think he's actually a deathist
08:24 < kanzure> maaku: btw i find myself sending your adjustment algorithm email around a bunch, https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07599.html
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08:34 < eudoxia> kanzure: we need a poll like, when did you first hear of merkle? 1) bitcoin 2) MNT 3) cryo
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08:42 <@fenn> MNT
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08:53 < kanzure> damn i really don't know
08:54 < kanzure> jrayhawk would probably answer "river raid, bitches"
08:54 < eudoxia> kanzure: maybe KSRM was first?
08:56 < kanzure> nah, ksrm was 2007-2008 for me
08:56 < kanzure> for context, i stumbled into eliezer yudkowsky in like 2005 or earlier ("a technical explanation of technical explanation")
08:57 < kanzure> well at any rate, it definitely wasn't cryptography
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09:06 < maaku> MNT
09:07 < maaku> kanzure: thanks. gmaxwell's indipherable reply later in the thread significantly improves it
09:07 < maaku> (don't count bits-in-block, count resources consumed: utxo bytes, sigops, etc., but otherwise the same dynamic mechanism)
09:10 < kanzure> nanotech sounds right to me. i didn't look into cryonics until later.
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09:32 < kanzure> some weirdo marijuana compliance software https://weedtraqr.com/
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10:52 < archels>  Components of brain-computer interfaces (BCI) could be re-arranged to create brain-brain interfaces, or tightly interconnected links between a person's brain and ectopic neural modules (Serruya and Kahana, 2008). Such modules—whether sitting in a bubbling Petri dish, rendered in reciprocally linked integrated circuits, or implanted in our belly—would mark the first step on to a path of breaking out of the limitations imposed by our ...
10:52 < archels> ... phylogenetic past (O'Doherty et al., 2011; Deadwyler et al., 2013; Vidu et al., 2014).
10:52 < archels> http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fnsys.2015.00053/full?
10:56 < kanzure> .title
10:56 < yoleaux> Frontiers | As we may think and be: brain-computer interfaces to expand the substrate of mind | Frontiers in Systems Neuroscience
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12:17 < jrayhawk> archels: http://www.google.com/search?q=platter+swap+data+recovery it's a common procedure
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12:18 < jrayhawk> these days i expect a lot more state to be stored on controllers, though, so i imagine it will get less reliable
12:19 < kanzure> so you know.... a few years ago on the diybio mailing list, reason@fightaging.org was claiming that he was non-technical or something
12:19 < kanzure> and that he thought that his value was coordination more than it would be technical contribution because he considered himself non-technical
12:19 < heath> augur: i disagree, well know our ai overlords will utilize these languages :)
12:19 < heath> we all*
12:19 < kanzure> but then why has he since moved to austin, texas to work as a web developer
12:20 < kanzure> things are not adding up
12:22 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9646327
12:22 < yoleaux> The Unpredictable Era of Editing Human Embryos | Hacker News
12:24 < kanzure> "There has never been a lymphatic system for the central nervous system, and it was very clear from that first singular observation – and they’ve done many studies since then to bolster the finding – that it will fundamentally change the way people look at the central nervous system’s relationship with the immune system.”"
12:25 < kanzure> "The discovery was made possible by the work of Antoine Louveau, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow in Kipnis’ lab. The vessels were detected after Louveau developed a method to mount a mouse’s meninges – the membranes covering the brain – on a single slide so that they could be examined as a whole. “It was fairly easy, actually,” he said. “There was one trick: We fixed the meninges within the skullcap, so that the tissue is ...
12:25 < kanzure> ... secured in its physiological condition, and then we dissected it. If we had done it the other way around, it wouldn’t have worked.”"
12:25 < kanzure> "As to how the brain’s lymphatic vessels managed to escape notice all this time, Kipnis described them as “very well hidden” and noted that they follow a major blood vessel down into the sinuses, an area difficult to image. “It’s so close to the blood vessel, you just miss it,” he said. “If you don’t know what you’re after, you just miss it.”"
12:25 < kanzure> .title http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html
12:25 < yoleaux> Structural and functional features of central nervous system lymphatic vessels : Nature : Nature Publishing Group
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12:27 < kanzure> diagram: http://i1.wp.com/neurosciencenews.com/files/2015/06/new-lymphatic-system-map.jpg?resize=750%2C412
12:27 < kanzure> i wonder if this is a useful vector
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12:34 < archels> jrayhawk: that's incredible, I never thought that possible with modern tolerances, alignment, etc.
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13:20 < FourFire> kanzure, I don't consider myself technical @ this reason@fightaging.org
13:21 < FourFire> however I consider that in the future my greatest value will be in technical gruntwork towards realizing/falsifying my ideas
13:22 < FourFire> kanzure, where does the "banned by the FDA (5 times)" come from?
13:22 < FourFire> has the diybio wiki site been denounced or something else?
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13:24 < delinquentme> FourFire,  you're reason from fighting aging?
13:27 < kanzure> FourFire: here's a list of reasons why the fda has banned hplusroadmap and hplusroadmap activities http://diyhpl.us/wiki/fda/
13:28 < FourFire> delinquentme, nope, lol
13:28 < FourFire> I'm fourfire
13:35 < FourFire> kanzure, what's wrong with wheelchairs?
13:37 < kanzure> it's against federal law to manufacture wheelchairs without a license
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13:54 < FourFire> that sounds exactly like a stupid thing which would arise from predatory capitalists making subpar products and selling them to needful demographic with resulting problems and political backlash forcing regulation
13:55 < FourFire> argh, our siciety is desperately in need of AI, just so we can case by case all of our stupid law stuff
13:56 <@fenn> FourFire: you may find this enlightening http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/08/16/a-medicare-scam-that-just-kept-rolling/
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13:59 < QuadIngi> That's a lot of wasted money
13:59 <@fenn> also many sad stories from users of the iBot wheelchair after it being discontinued with no replacement
13:59 < QuadIngi> gtg
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14:32 < kanzure> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2929471/emerging-technology/fab-plants-are-now-making-superfast-carbon-nanotube-memory.html
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14:42 <@fenn> "NRAM" is a stupid acronym
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15:03 < kanzure> most acronyms are stupid
15:06 <@fenn> MARS
15:07 < heath> IDISAGREE
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15:31 < kanzure> weird, giulio prisco is writing for bitcoinmagazine.com now
15:32 < kanzure> i guess the church of cosmic cosmicness never worked out for him
15:51 < kanzure> fear me for i have returned from closing 230 tabs
15:53 < nmz787_i> ^ LOTSOFTABS
15:54 < nmz787_i> I think around 50 or 75 is probably my historical max, but I have not been keeping track
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18:01 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMHcanq0xM
18:01 < yoleaux> Just another day in the office at Magic Leap - YouTube
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19:02 < kanzure> i watched some augmented reality videos, and i am not impressed at all
19:02 < kanzure> machine vision sounds nice in theory but in practice i'd have to do all the coding anyway
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22:59 < abetusk> Anyone going to the OHS 2015?
23:00 < neals> where's it at this year?
23:01 < abetusk> Philadelphia
23:02 < neals> I'm gonna try to go
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