--- Log opened Thu Aug 06 00:00:32 2015 00:06 < xtalmath> yeah it is 00:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:21 -!- Dumpster_D1ver [~Vishnu@pool-72-83-63-112.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlwuxgytblpdcedi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:30 -!- Karma__ [~karma@109.Red-83-36-233.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-201.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46 < kanzure> asdfasdfasdf 01:46 < kanzure> uhhh https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3fv2p5/frequent_spicy_meals_linked_to_human_longevity/ 01:57 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-201.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:04 < kanzure> 02:03 I'm surprised no crazy person has tried turning back on vitamin C synthesis. it's a single SNP thats missing in the internal synthesis.... 02:21 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRE-PzI6uZA 02:21 < yoleaux> Direct Metal Laser Sintering - YouTube 02:28 < kanzure> xtalmath: re: controlled substances, you may also be interested in reading the "commerce control list". 02:29 < xtalmath> yeah I read NRC faq page, its controlled up to a certain amount. theres a general license, but I did not look long enough to find out if it costs money to apply for a license and if so, how much it would cost... 02:30 < xtalmath> it's also unclear to what extent it can be sold internally without crossing borders. I mean the water facility is providing us all with deuterium dilution. 02:30 < xtalmath> so from what purity grade on would one need to apply for a license... 02:32 < xtalmath> I am considering to compare the prices of D2O of different suppliers, and to calculate how much it would cost to manufacture, since at high purity levels these things seem to cost $1k per kg or L 02:32 < xtalmath> sounds lucrative 02:33 < xtalmath> I would just need to rent a house near a lake or smth 02:33 < xtalmath> or along a river, theres lots of riverside here in Ghent 02:34 < xtalmath> also, need to check what the european regulations are, since NCR was just the first search result I took 02:34 < xtalmath> I expect it to be similar 02:36 < kanzure> perhaps aliexpress will sell you deuterium. 02:36 < xtalmath> " A general license is issued to any person to export to any country not listed in § 110.28 or § 110.29 deuterium in individual shipments of 10 kilograms or less (50 kilograms of heavy water). No person may export more than 200 kilograms (1,000 kilograms of heavy water) per calendar year to any one country." 02:36 < xtalmath> I dont search deuterium, I want to make it 02:36 < xtalmath> and sell it 02:37 < kanzure> jrayhawk: approximate benefit of humanoid vitamin c synthesis? 02:37 < xtalmath> so for every country, at current price of $1000 that means one could earn on the order of a million per year on each country that imports from you 02:38 < xtalmath> minus expenses for generating it of course, but I dont see a fundamental limit on cost yet 02:38 < jrayhawk> would depend on what the metabolic costs of production are 02:38 < kanzure> apparently it's a single snp 02:38 < kanzure> to reactivate 02:38 < jrayhawk> the vitamin c doesn't appear out of nowhere 02:38 < xtalmath> jrayhawk: apparently deuterium ice sinks 02:39 < jrayhawk> noted! 02:39 < kanzure> sure, might be overexpressed these days for all i know 02:39 < kanzure> hrm. 02:39 < jrayhawk> there's also a lot of pathways reliant on intermittant oxidative stress 02:39 < jrayhawk> which we only vaguely understand 02:40 < xtalmath> so you just electrolyse the water into hydrogen and oxygen, burn it / fuel cell it, condense it, and take bottom ice again 02:41 < jrayhawk> e.g. there's studies on vitamin C blunting hypertrophy 02:41 < xtalmath> perhaps condensation is enough, which can happen at room temperature in vacuum 02:42 < jrayhawk> there are probably quite a lot of NRF2 signals that you could also disrupt 02:42 < jrayhawk> NRF2-initiating signals 02:44 < xtalmath> Im probably underestimating the cost of manufacturing though 02:46 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:46 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection 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[~Vishnu@pool-72-83-63-112.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:01 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 < xtalmath> ok if I can get all D from hydrogen from water and recombine it with oxygen, I need about 7133 L of original water (according to local delta 2H) per resulting D2O. at 4 euro's per cubic meter (including VAT) that is 28.5 euros. so well below 1000. next I should calculate energy cost. energy cost probably goes up drastically if I try to get the last few D's from mostly H. so water consumption could get higher if I dont find a very 03:06 < xtalmath> aiming at 1000 L per year, thats 3 L per day 03:06 < xtalmath> man why did I not investigate this earlier 03:07 < xtalmath> apparently nuclear industry is very silent on how cheap deuterium production really is nowadays: https://www.princeton.edu/~ramana/heavy-subsidies-in-heavy-water-epw.pdf 03:07 < xtalmath> pretending its very expensive, selling it to government at inflated prices, without actually ever mentioning real costs 03:08 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09 < xtalmath> thats a good read there! 03:09 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:11 < xtalmath> its a bit vague, on why the prices are kept high, is it just greed, or is it infosec? if very low prices appeared in the west, military of other nations might realize there is a cheap method of producing D2O... prompting a quest... 03:12 < xtalmath> infosec likes to hide behind "understandable" greed though. 03:12 -!- wrldpc1 [~ben@235.106.1.110.ap.yournet.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 < Adlai> the cheapest quest would probably be reading the paper and replicating results in a third-world expense climate 03:13 -!- 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[~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54 < kish`> hey kanzure 06:54 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:10 -!- kish` is now known as kish 07:22 < xtalmath> I wonder what other substances (not just elements) have high abundance / price (not just as elements in earths crust, but more generally like isotopes, chemicals,... in specific carriers) yet high value (if only extraction was not expensive). things like Aluminum, or deuterium. I wonder which one has the highest "abundance"*(purified price)/(dilute price) ratio. 07:24 < xtalmath> anyone know where I can find such lists? I can find silly top 15 expensive chemicals lists online, but I dont want to maximize purified price, but the ratio... 07:27 < xtalmath> will the end result of widespread realization that expensive D is just in your tap water result in increased water prices, so that all water facilities basically extract deuterium before supplying to consumers? that would not make sense, since rain will still fall, and there will always be lakes and seas 07:28 < xtalmath> man this is kind of a real problem 07:29 < xtalmath> but then again, is it? I think they should release control on D and focus on the fissionables 07:31 < xtalmath> no actually Im just interested in pure price/dilute price, scrap abundance 07:32 < xtalmath> heh, its like the most lucrative thing to do is sorting (if you find a way to do it), cleaning up 08:09 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:13 < fenn> titanium 08:28 < xtalmath> kanzure: are you the author of nano-engineer? 08:28 < kanzure> just "maintainer" now 08:28 < kanzure> pretty bad maintainer though :-) 08:35 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:46 -!- xtalmath [~xtalmath@ip-83-134-138-201.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:07 < ryankarason> i recently went to lecture by Deep Space Industries. a company which wants to start mining space. (goal 1 is to mine water, for use in space); however, it got me thinking that once we expand our horizons beyond Earth.. the abundance of particular chemicals changes vastly. 09:08 < kanzure> depends on the delivery schedule and whether the materials are cached before release 09:09 < kanzure> my guess is that nobody is particularly eager to tank any market 09:15 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-195-30.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:24 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=76689dbe Bryan Bishop: mention vitamin c synthesis >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/ 09:28 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-191-104.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:41 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-108-16-231-242.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlwuxgytblpdcedi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:01 < archels> "Reistance against crushing: driven over by a 1.5 tonne truck" 10:07 < kanzure> "immunity to steamrollers" 10:47 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:55c4:7075:caab:806e] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:543:2ca2:924d:1625] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34 -!- juri_ [~juri@vpn166.sdf.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 < kanzure> an okay refutation of qualia https://www.reddit.com/r/neuro/comments/3fa5kh/how_does_our_conciousness_experience_emotion/ctnswkx 11:45 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:46 -!- ThomasEgi [~thomas@panda3d/ThomasEgi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- Madplatypus [uid19957@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fsxxfduecusdcczh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:03 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxnghjfeanryqper] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:02 -!- zadock [~outsider@5-13-191-104.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:07 -!- dreth [~drethelin@71-87-115-157.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:07 -!- drethelin [drethelin@71-87-115-157.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:07 -!- dreth is now known as drethelin 13:09 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:10 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r179-25-200-169.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:45 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@46.157.143.212.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:29 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxnghjfeanryqper] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02 < kanzure> i wonder what would happen if you inserted an adult dog kidney into a developing, healthy dog fetus 15:02 < kanzure> er, pick a breed where the sizes work 15:03 < kanzure> hm nevermind, size would never work 15:05 < kanzure> why aren't neurosurgeons dunking their patients' brains in fresh neural tube matter anyway 15:21 < FourFire> neural tube matter? 15:21 < yoleaux> 4 Aug 2015 01:28Z FourFire: why not just use a salt-water algae? 15:22 < gradstudentbot> These findings indicate that extensive genetic engineering of human hematopoiesis can be achieved with lentiviral vectors. 15:22 < drethelin> where do you get fresh neural tube matter 15:22 < FourFire> what's the proper message command? 15:23 < FourFire> ~note nmz787 15:24 < FourFire> .tell nmz787, because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) 15:24 < yoleaux> FourFire: What kind of a name is "nmz787,"?! 15:25 < FourFire> .tell nmz787_* because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) 15:25 < yoleaux> FourFire: What kind of a name is "nmz787_*"?! 15:25 < FourFire> is that just what it says? 15:32 < chris_99> i think the , or _* screwed it 15:32 < chris_99> maybe ommit those 15:35 < chris_99> .tell chris_99 test 15:35 < yoleaux> chris_99: Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. 15:35 < chris_99> heh 15:41 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-9-188.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:41 < CaptHindsight> .tell chris_99 he is not crazy 15:41 < yoleaux> CaptHindsight: I'll pass your message to chris_99. 15:41 < chris_99> haha 15:41 < yoleaux> 22:43Z chris_99: he is not crazy 15:44 < FourFire> .tell nmz787 because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad) 15:44 < yoleaux> FourFire: I'll pass your message to nmz787. 15:45 < FourFire> .tell nmz787 Also if you're going to go to trouble isolating your water from the ground, you might as well just have (plexi)glass tubes 15:45 < yoleaux> FourFire: I'll pass your message to nmz787. 15:45 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@46.157.143.212.tmi.telenormobil.no] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 16:00 < chris_99> http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/building-bloodhound-the-fastest-car-in-the-world 16:01 -!- proofoflogic [uid65184@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnfqfaowavpuinsp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:16 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- vivi1 [~vivi@inhu.me] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:23 -!- vivi [~vivi@inhu.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:36 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-erjnwswdahebhyfc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-227-92-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-158-124-245.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:51 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffff@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- irctc383 [6bca804e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.202.128.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:15 -!- irctc841 [6bca804e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.202.128.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- irctc383 [6bca804e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.202.128.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:16 < irctc841> hi 17:17 < irctc841> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=8421781 17:18 < kanzure> .title 17:18 < yoleaux> Science Magazine: Sign In 17:20 < irctc841> AN INHIBITOR OF P34CDC28 PROTEIN KINASE ACTIVITY FROM SACCHAROMYCES CEREVISIAE 17:20 < CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2012-10-optical-tweezers-sub-nanoscale-precision-processand.html 17:20 < CaptHindsight> Optical tweezers and sub-nanoscale precision: Following the process—and the consequence—of RNA folding 17:20 < CaptHindsight> Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-optical-tweezers-sub-nanoscale-precision-processand.html#jCp 17:32 -!- sandeep_ [~sandeep@111.235.64.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-58-200.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10 -!- proofoflogic [uid65184@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnfqfaowavpuinsp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:42 -!- strangewarp_ [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: austerity chic brand destruction] 18:42 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:46 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has quit [Quit: gone] 19:08 < kanzure> nobody has blown up the world yet, what gives 19:19 < c0rw1n> quantum immortality, d00d 19:21 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlnkuhnekvsjinaw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:34 < justanotheruser> c0rw1n: thanks to quantum immortality you will stay alive for eternity suffocating in the heat death of the universe 19:34 < c0rw1n> pretty sure that's not how that works 19:34 < justanotheruser> oh really? 19:36 < c0rw1n> yeah 19:40 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@75.57.145.87] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:40 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@75.57.145.87] has quit [Changing host] 19:40 -!- CaptHindsight [~2020@unaffiliated/capthindsight] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:44 < drethelin> thanks to Denial, I'm immortal! 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