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00:19 < drethelin> I will
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01:26 < Adlai> o_O https://i.imgur.com/7TGADrf.jpg
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04:59 < kanzure> "Andreas is absolutely right. The bottleneck of your whole project will be the manufacturing time of synthetic DNA. We (Ageria) ordered twice at GenScript. For both we waited about a month, while they promised us 7 working days. Gen9 is even worse. We ordered from them 4 weeks into the project and they will deliver probably a month after it has ended.
04:59 < kanzure> "
05:02 < kanzure> .title https://1vwjbxf1wko0yhnr.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/overclocking-tools-for-nvidia-gpus-suck-i-made-my-own/
05:02 < yoleaux> Overclocking tools for Nvidia GPUs suck, I made my own. | Stuff
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06:36 < CaptHindsight> so 7 days turn for custom synthesis of DNA is actually ~30 days or worse
07:18 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1_CugdytI
07:18 < yoleaux> Vector Graphics Animation with Time-Varying Topology (SIGGRAPH 2015) - YouTube
07:21 < ParahSailin_> i remember when transcriptic used to be trying the custom cloning thing, whatever happened to that
07:28 < kanzure> i think they are still doing that
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08:53 < JayDugger> http://www.vpaint.org/
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09:36 < kanzure> http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9124145/effective-altruism-global-ai
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10:08 < kanzure> http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/ross-andersen-human-extinction/
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10:22 < kanzure> http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-many-scientists-does-it-take-to-write-a-paper-apparently-thousands-1439169200
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10:41 < xtalmath> seems like they are more worried about rogue AI turning non-exceptionalist ( "communist" )
10:42 < xtalmath> whatever the thoughts of the future AI, it must not think of poverty as more than a rounding error
10:44 < xtalmath> it must take historically grown status as definite, not as some prior probability distribution of value, which could over time decay into relatively flat distribution if the AI refuses to maintain exceptions for some but not for others
10:45 < xtalmath> ^ not my thoughts, but what I read through the lines of the vox article
10:46 < xtalmath> the brainchild isn't born yet, and the parents are already arguing how to maintain thought control
10:47 < kanzure> "Others are more ambitious. Anders Sandberg, a research fellow at the Future of Humanity Institute, told me that humans might be able to colonise a third of the now-visible universe, before dark energy pushes the rest out of reach. "
10:47 < kanzure> i am not aware of this pushing
10:47 < kanzure> and it is wrong to call anders "ambitious"
10:50 < juri_> xtalmath: did i see something about you being interested in car manufacture?
10:51 < xtalmath> juri_: interested? ha!
10:51 < xtalmath> juri_: when I need dough yeah
10:51 < xtalmath> juri_: why?
10:55 < juri_> xtalmath: i run http://fosscar.faikvm.com/
10:56 < xtalmath> juri_: when I work, I work on the assembly line, I don't design them
10:56 < xtalmath> but I do applaud designing cars with FOSS
10:57 < juri_> ah. :)
10:59 < xtalmath> juri_: I'm unclear how the 3D aluminum printing works, I also thought aluminum was hard to locally melt, because of its high thermal conductivity, it tends to melt a lot at once right?
11:00 < juri_> it is hard to work with, but i've been improving the technologies.
11:01 < juri_> it's gone from "no one sane does that" to "soldering on a motherboard while suspended from the ceiling over a pit of spikes". so, maybe not much difficulty change. :)
11:02 < juri_> https://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6417_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412271245_-_3d_casting_aluminum_-_julia_longtin.html
11:02 < juri_> ^- tis i.
11:02 < FourFire> kanzure, you don't know about the expansion of the universe?
11:02 < xtalmath> juri_: the bolt hot end page is still for printing plastic right? then you melt/burn the plastic with microwave, then you melt aluminum in another microwave and have some device open the microwave and escort the hot aluminum crucible to the mold?
11:03 < juri_> that was the idea about six months back. it's changed. i've just not been updating the wiki.
11:04 < juri_> i've been injured, leaving me unable to do non-keyboard things for a few months now.
11:04 < kanzure> FourFire: i know about epansion of the universe, but not about estimates of the epansion of dark matter or dark matter pushing shit around
11:04 < kanzure> ewll, i know about dark matter effecting the orbits of things, but not about it pushing things out of reach, separate from the acceleration of the expansion of the universe
11:04 < FourFire> kanzure, yeah I don't know enough physics to say anything about it
11:05 < kanzure> then why did you... er..
11:05 < juri_> kanzure: dark energy is different.
11:05 < FourFire> AFAIK we observe the expension, and theoretical physicists have just invented a bunch of bullshit names for "we don't know why it does that"
11:05 < juri_> basically, it's the creation of additional space everywhere.
11:05 < gradstudentbot> Do you have references for that?
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11:06 < kanzure> i don't think it's fair to conflate dark energy and dark matter with the acceleration of the expansion of the universe
11:06 < juri_> dark energy IS about that.
11:06 < FourFire> gradstudentbot, "it might be strings or The Quantum"
11:06 < gradstudentbot> It's contaminated.
11:07 < juri_> they do not know why, but it's a constant creation of more space universe wide, and it seems to be rising.
11:13 < xtalmath> juri_: what accident did you have?
11:13 < xtalmath> im looking at that presentation
11:14 < juri_> xtalmath: i was in a car wreck 5 years back. it screwed up my neck. at the point that video was taken, i had pinched nerves to both of my hands, and thought it was carpel tunnel.
11:15 < juri_> about two weeks into june, i turned my head just wrong. and my world has been pinched nerves, ringing ears, no balance ever since.
11:22 < xtalmath> not good
11:25 < juri_> not good at all. i'm stuck at home, trying to put together income from online sources. no fun at all.
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11:29 < xtalmath> juri_: I just had an idea, aluminum melts at 660 C (1220 F) copper at 1080 C (1980 F). if you design the copper mold parts right you can open and close the mold after the aluminum has solidified. To make the mold just print the plastic part, spray resistive lacquer on it, and electrodeposit copper
11:30 < xtalmath> copper sulfate is cheap and readily available
11:31 < xtalmath> electrodeposit is just faradayic transport of Cu+ ions in solution by current
11:32 < juri_> good luck. i had fun creating my process. coming up with a microwave transparent mold and burn-away spray was not eany.
11:32 < xtalmath> juri_: in what I describe you'd still need to melt the aluminum in your oven
11:33 < xtalmath> then pour in the copper mold
11:33 < juri_> your openable mold witt have similar restrictions on object shape as milling does, as well.
11:34 < xtalmath> every kind of mold has restrictions, but yes for more complex parts you will need to split up the mold in more detachable sections...
11:34 < xtalmath> but then you can reuse the mold
11:34 < juri_> I've got a new process i'm working on, but that's hard to do when a walk across the street is dangerous.
11:34 < xtalmath> juri_: I wasn't criticizing your process, just bouncing an idea
11:35 < juri_> noted. i'm comfortable with the disposable molds.
11:35 < juri_> what i'm not comfortable with is my continued use of propane. i'm working on a solution to that problem.
11:37 < fenn> solar powered aluminum fountain
11:37 < fenn> keep a variety of alloys on tap
11:37 < fenn> so inconvenient waiting for it to melt
11:40 < xtalmath> theres old NASA papers on electroforming aluminum, in some cyanide/mercury kind of solution, but although they kind of got it to work, it was real hard.
11:40 < xtalmath> I think it was cyanide
11:41 < juri_> sounds not healthy. ;)
11:43 < xtalmath> oh a possible advantage of the detachable mold is you don't have to burn out the plastic template
11:43 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/HJ9YoRMoO5Y
11:43 < yoleaux> Metal Casting at Home Part 59 Oil Fired Furnace Operating Instructions - YouTube
11:44 < fenn> i like the idea of a steam powered babington burner
11:45 < fenn> no silly air compressor needed
11:46 < fenn> in fact it would be great if the whole thing ran on steam power, or at least foot power
11:46 < fenn> then you can do metal casting far from people who complain about the existence of fire
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11:48 < xtalmath> fenn: I think the air compressor is for supplying oxygen?
11:48 < fenn> it's just to make a fine mist from the oil fuel
11:50 < juri_> I'm just making it all run on electricity.
11:50 < fenn> i want to do my casting at the beach
11:51 < juri_> preferably with no humans handling materials.
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12:23 < kanzure> fenn did you look at the spiraltron
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12:35 < fenn> no
12:37 < fenn> "since 1998. Spiraltron™ Electron Multipliers are specifically designed for high pressure applications, such as portable mass spectrometers."
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12:39 < fenn> at pressures up to 1e-2 torr
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12:44 < kanzure> huh maybe i mean slingatron
12:44 < kanzure> http://www.ramaccelerator.org/home/sites/default/files/sling-0571.pdf
12:45 < fenn> i thought it was dumb because it sends something hurtling at mach 30+ through sea level atmosphere
12:46 < kanzure> we could burn up the atmosphere if that would make things more convenient for you
12:49 < fenn> there are a lot of exotic launch systems and this doesn't really solve any important problems
12:49 < fenn> http://yarchive.net/space/
12:52 < fenn> most of this also applies to the slingatron http://yarchive.net/space/exotic/gun_launch.html
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12:54 < fenn> or were you talking about xtalmath's idea to use a slingatron as a high vacuum pump? i didn't understand that at all, tbh
12:54 < kanzure> nah i was not
12:56 < fenn> if i had a few billion dollars i'd work on getting jordin kare's modular laser launch system to hook up with a rotating electrodynamic tether
12:56 < fenn> actually it might not be that expensive in the end
12:57 < fenn> because they can bootstrap from a very low capacity
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14:05 < xtalmath> fenn: I could draw what I mean with slingatron pump, but a bit too lazy and I assume you only checked the slingatron to see about launch system, so unless you are also interested in that slingatron vacuum pump idea, I could take out some time to draw it
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14:07 < xtalmath> I have not done calculations on friction/aerobreaking, but I think the burning up in atmosphere is less of a problem with heat shields?
14:07 < xtalmath> but still its raw materials only...
14:07 < gradstudentbot> None of my experiments are working.
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15:00 < kanzure> https://www.coursera.org/learn/cryo-em/outline
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17:17 < kanzure> cluckj: hi
17:24 < cluckj> kanzure, hi
17:24 < kanzure> approximately how much should i be shaming you for exactly which amount of writing you haven't done?
17:25 < cluckj> what do you mean?
17:25 < kanzure> just giving you shit
17:25 < kanzure> the shit is the part where i assumed you skipped out on some writing that you should have done
17:25 < cluckj> hah
17:26 < cluckj> I'm making pretty good progress
17:26 < kanzure> ah
17:26 < cluckj> I set my target pretty conservatively, though; only about 1000 words/day
17:27 < gradstudentbot> Anyone else think pol II looks like a butt?
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17:34 < kanzure> win 5
17:34 < kanzure> fdojdwkfjka
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18:14 < delinquentme> The investment has been increased to $200k cash + $50k in program support in seed investment in exchange for 8% equity. This is joined by a $150k convertible note with a 20% discount at 2.5million dollar valuation cap for a total of 250k in funding.
18:14 < delinquentme> does this math sound off to anyone else?
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19:18 < nmz787> anyone wanna follow along with me? https://www.coursera.org/learn/cryo-em/outline
19:18 < yoleaux> 6 Aug 2015 22:47Z <FourFire> nmz787: because then you'd need to isolate your open water pools from the ground with waterproofing, and that's going to cost lots of money (or you just salt lots of land area, which is bad)
19:18 < yoleaux> 6 Aug 2015 22:48Z <FourFire> nmz787: Also if you're going to go to trouble isolating your water from the ground, you might as well just have (plexi)glass tubes
19:20 < nmz787> .tell fourfire: why wouldn't you just grow along the coast, or in areas that are already salt-flats? or dredge new islands that function purely as growth ponds... or have floating ponds/molecular-sieve-nets
19:20 < yoleaux> nmz787: What kind of a name is "fourfire:"?!
19:20 < nmz787> .tell fourfire -- why wouldn't you just grow along the coast, or in areas that are already salt-flats? or dredge new islands that function purely as growth ponds... or have floating ponds/molecular-sieve-nets
19:20 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to fourfire.
19:21 < nmz787> yoleaux: it is a good name
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