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06:00 < kanzure> don't everyone die at once
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06:02 < kanzure> cool i got keynote
06:03 < JayDugger> Good morning, again.
06:04 < kanzure> might have to make my talk actually good if i'm going first...
06:06 < JayDugger> Good idea. Why make it easy for the second act?
06:07 < kanzure> agreed, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v2.pdf
06:08 < kanzure> er, updated: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v3.pdf
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06:32 < JayDugger> Will you use that PDF as notes for next week's talk, or as slides for it?
06:33 < kanzure> slides
06:33 < JayDugger> Okay, pm stands.
06:34 < JayDugger> Also, replace ugly small type link on "Maximum Scale" slide with legible text of just title and author.
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06:34 < JayDugger> Audience can see and read a title, but the cheap seats won't have any idea what to search for later.
06:35 < JayDugger> Ha! Systemantics. Haven't seen that in a whiel
06:35 < kanzure> yes i expect them to have access to my pdf after my talk, or even before
06:35 < kanzure> (the physical file)
06:36 < JayDugger> Then just make the raw URL look a little nicer. Back-row legibility won't matter.
06:38 < JayDugger> Same for the link on "Scaling What?" Bigger font makes it easier to click.
06:39 < JayDugger> The draft has no material on the slides "Merkle trees," "Merkle mountain ranges," "Merklized abstract syntax trees."
06:39 < kanzure> there are many blank slides at the moment
06:40 < JayDugger> I'll shut up about them, then. Did you spell "Merklized" correctly? I don't know because I've never seen that phrase until now.
06:41 < JayDugger> The footer link on "Simplified Payment Verification (SPV)" is easy to read and to click.
06:42 < kanzure> there's both "merkleized" and "merklized" floating around in the community, bitcoiners suck at spelling
06:42 < JayDugger> Another good-sized URL is the one on "MAX-BLOCK_SIZE proposals"
06:43 < JayDugger> The slide  "Funding (F)" diagram after "Lightning Network" lacks a title, and the diagram has a bar to its right and below it. That looks like a bad crop.
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06:44 < JayDugger> Move all the URLs to the bottom of the slide, but use a consistent style to size and place them.
06:46 < JayDugger> UTXO appears without first being defined. Probably not a problem for the audience, but you know best on that point.
06:50 < JayDugger> Do you want the slides "Fraud proofs" and "Fraud proofs (links)" separated by the slide "Proof-of-Treachery"?
06:52 < JayDugger> Correctly spell succinct, not "Succint" on "Likely ingredients...." Also an ellipsis has three dots, not four.
06:54 < JayDugger> On "Useful principles" why did you switch from an unordered list to a block set off by """
06:55 < JayDugger> Thank you for letting take a look at the slides.
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07:06 < kanzure> blockquote was because it was quote and not list of separate statements
07:07 < kanzure> about "glaucus project" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34139309 (underwater habitat on a shoestring budget?)
07:07 < JayDugger> Got it. That's unclear from the slide itself.
07:11 < kanzure> thanks for the review
07:12 < JayDugger> You're welcome. I'll pass on living underwater just yet.
07:13 < kanzure> surfacedweller
07:18 < JayDugger> More like ex-Navy, and still not ready to go back to sea.
07:19 < JayDugger> I'd happily live underground, especially during summer.
07:51 < kanzure> do you have something against living under 10 meters of extremely dense matter?
07:55 < JayDugger> Nothing at all, just don't want to be reminded of a bunch of memories so boring that I consciously decided to replace them with "This was really boring for a long period."
07:56 < kanzure> "yeah but it builds character"
07:57 < JayDugger> Yes, it did. Note past tense.
07:57 < kanzure> i always thought the character building was during basic training
07:58 < kanzure> not cooridor staring contests
08:00 < JayDugger> Eh, that too, but basic's sufficiently well known that it brought no surprises (aside from getting sick, learning tear gas makes a great decongestant, and meeting strange people from other parts of the nation). Out at sea, well, that was just different enough to have lots of surprises. Relevant here: the open ocean is boring.
08:01 < kanzure> i think my brain would rot. 8 hour shifts of cooridor watching?
08:03 < JayDugger> Yup. Watch standing was about the worst part of the military.
08:03 < kanzure> oops i mean corridor
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08:15 < fenn> indescriminate->indiscriminate
08:15 < fenn> slide 7
08:16 < JayDugger> Good catch, fenn. Can't believe I missed that in big bold letters.
08:17 < kanzure> ouch
08:23 < fenn> slide 37 the text under libsnark is really small, maybe move it to the line "snark: a proof that code was faithfully executed, without self-executing"
08:24 < fenn> or use same font size as "revocable delivery..."
08:24 < fenn> also include link for slides on last page so people can get the links from it
08:25 < JayDugger> Duh. Another good one from fenn.
08:25 < kanzure> there's too much snark content to fit into one slide; i need to split it up better.
08:35 < fenn> i bet the glaucus wreck will long outlast the virtual tour app
08:35 < fenn> apple changes its API every 2 years in a backwards incompatible way...
08:36 < fenn> i was reading about underwater welding and what it takes to be one, sounds like fun and really difficult
08:36 < fenn> to be a welder
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08:44 < JayDugger> Remember you also get to dive in all sorts of unpleasant water, such as sipyards.
08:44 < JayDugger> shipyards, rather.
08:49 < fenn> yeah radioactive plumes, toxic waste, fecal contaminated water, electricity everywhere, explosive gas mixtures, and all the usual hazards of saturation diving
08:51 < JayDugger> Sums up Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyards pretty well.
08:53 < fenn> it was the extreme physical exertion that sounded like the hard part. apparently most people quit after 5 years because they can't physically take it
08:53 < fenn> cold water and constant movement just to keep in place
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11:00 < kanzure> more drafting.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-001.pdf
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11:02 < c0rw1n> "Upload everyone's brain into cloud, analytically simulate all economic activity, problem solved. (ask Ralph Merkle!)" <- might be easier than to get a consensus from the bitcoin cat herd?
11:05 < kanzure> entirely possible.
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12:17 < chris_99> has anyone ever played with Acousto-optic modulator lasers out of interest
12:18 < chris_99> to use possibly for some kind of display
12:18 < chris_99> instead of a mirror galvanometer
12:22 < fenn> were you talking to ganzuul?
12:23 < chris_99> me?
12:23 < fenn> yes
12:23 < chris_99> oh, i was talking to anyone
12:23 < fenn> i mean yesterday ganzuul and i were talking about this in #linuxcnc
12:23 < fenn> well, yesterday for me
12:24 < chris_99> oh yeah, that's why i mention, i saw someone mentioned AOM there
12:24 < chris_99> i found an MIT paper
12:24 < chris_99> on a display using them
12:25 < fenn> anyway i've never actually seen one much less used one
12:25 < chris_99> it looks like they're not exactly cheap
12:25 < fenn> this place has some cool toys http://www.electro-optical.com/
12:25 < chris_99> going by ones i founbd on fleabay
12:26 < chris_99> cool
12:26 < chris_99> i'll have a browse
12:26 < fenn> wait that's the wrong site i think
12:27 < fenn> damn there are a bunch of these places
12:27 < fenn> http://www.eopc.com/
12:28 < chris_99> cheers
12:30 < fenn> nevermind it's probably in some tab somewhere in a browser i can't open
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12:55 < kanzure> "yes i'm calling this new data structure 'merkle tears' for obvious reasons"
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14:48 < justanotheruser> https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/paulellenbogen/ancestry-com-can-use-your-dna-to-target-ads/
14:48 < kanzure> beep boop http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-003.pdf
14:48 < justanotheruser> If only there were a diff for pdf
14:50 < kanzure> there's a phantomjs visual diff module
14:50 < kanzure> pdfjs could probably be rigged up to do this
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15:12 < andytoshi> when developing the sidechains paper we used a program that did a diff on the latex and produced a pretty PDF
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15:19 < Betawolf> there's a latexdiff program
15:21 < Betawolf> no help if you've just got pdfs, though
15:23 < andytoshi> these slides look like latex to me .. kanzure is driving now, we'll have to wait to ask him
15:25 < Betawolf> Really? sans font, no maths, odd image placement on pg 13. Could be, but would be suprised. (In the case where they're not, you could run things through pdftotext and diff them, if it's just a text comparison).
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15:28 < justanotheruser> kanzure: "● Recovery from consensus hard-forks?"
15:28 < justanotheruser> do you mean contentious?
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17:09 < kanzure> justanotheruser: all sorts of hard-forks.. not just contentious.
17:22 < justanotheruser> what is a consensus hard fork
17:22 < justanotheruser> as opposed to a protocol hard fork?
17:23 < kanzure> same thing i think
17:24 < justanotheruser> yeah, protocol is ambiguous
17:24 < justanotheruser> but I meant like the 0.2 -> 0.3 change that changed the relay protocol
17:24 < justanotheruser> besides the point though.
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17:25 < justanotheruser> If you're looking for clean up material for a consensus hard fork, I assume you have already seen BIP50?
17:26 < kanzure> the post-mortem? yes i've seen that
17:26 < kanzure> can't remember if that's bip50 tho
17:26 < justanotheruser> it is
17:28 < kanzure> biggest addition is slide 48 i guess http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-004.pdf
17:28 < kanzure> also a bunch of the snarks stuff has been cleaned up (thanks andytoshi)
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18:32 < nmz787> programmable magnets http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?PHPSESSID=bp8undeb519v1tkmvlhjpfcpu7&topic=19147.msg139932#msg139932
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19:46 < kanzure> http://www.polymagnet.com/
19:46 < kanzure> hmm.
19:46 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_magnet
19:46 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drD416THU7Y
19:46 < yoleaux> CMR Demos Its Printed Polarity Magnets - YouTube
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21:51 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=962e31f9 Bryan Bishop: transcript: adam3us on scalability and max block size >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2015-09-07-epicenter-bitcoin-adam3us-scalability/
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23:10 < kanzure> hmph
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