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00:08 < nmz787> zomg: http://xkcd.com/1445/
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00:48 < justanotheruser> I can relate
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06:31 < kanzure> that's a lousy xkcd; there are other dimensions than time that matter for efficiency. both strategies might take the same time but give wildly different results.
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08:23 < maaku> nmz787 justanotheruser : there's a theorum whose attribution I can't remember, that the less difference between two strategies, the more time we'll spend deciding between them
08:23 < maaku> common failure mode, I guess
08:27 < kanzure> 9009809f50464b77d7118af4be59790f6015e6e5269c0bac287c31246823f4af http://gnusha.org/logs/loghashes.002.txt
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11:29 < kanzure> http://grahamwideman.wikispaces.com/Invitrogen+Electroporator+II
11:29 < chris_99> cool!
11:30 < chris_99> i had something like that on my fleabay watchlist for a while
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11:30 < kanzure> "Our local Fab Lab and DIY Bio space acquired an Invitrogen Electroporator II in order to perform DNA transfer experiments. It didn't come with documentation of even how to operate it, nor was any found online. ... [so we documented a bunch of stuff]"
11:30 < chris_99> do they have a synthesizer too
11:31 < kanzure> dunno, probably not
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11:31 < chris_99> getting hold of plasmids seems v. hard
11:34 < kanzure> dna transfer can be done without plasmids
11:35 < chris_99> but then wouldn't you still need the dna in some other form?7
11:44 < heath> .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24627955
11:44 < yoleaux> Virus-encapsulated DNA origami nanostructures for cellular delivery. - PubMed - NCBI
11:48 < heath> thought this was pretty interesting: http://scitation.aip.org/content/avs/journal/jvstb/32/4/10.1116/1.4879417
11:48 < heath> .title
11:48 < yoleaux> Thermal stability of DNA origami on mica
11:48 < heath> "The authors report the unusual thermal stability of deoxyribose nucleic acid (DNA) origami when adhered to a solid substrate. Even when heated to 150 °C for 45 min, these DNA nanostructures retain their physical and chemical integrity. This result suggests that DNA origami could be integrated into applications requiring moderate substrate heating, such as photoresist baking or chemical vapor deposition processes."
11:49 < heath> and i'd like to read this at some point: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-13523-1_9#page-1
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11:49 < heath> .title
11:49 < yoleaux> DNA Origami as Self-assembling Circuit Boards - Springer
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12:12 < chris_99> don't spose anyones used this https://theeyetribe.com/products/
12:27 < nmz787> heath: neat paper
12:28 < heath> nmz787: which one?
12:28 < heath> i haven't read the first or the last
12:29 < nmz787> the last
12:30 < heath> yeah, qca + dna origami could prove useful :)
12:31 < nmz787> kanzure: nice electroporation find
12:31 < kanzure> was from diybio mailing list
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12:57 < nmz787> well, #ultrasound and ##ultrasound don't exist
12:57 < nmz787> no one over there to talk about watermelon ripeness sensors ;)
12:58 < heath> nmz787: you're in portland, right?
12:59 < nmz787> therabouts, ya
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13:08 < chris_99> what are you trying to do with ultrasound out of interest?
13:12 < nmz787> chris_99: just a random comment that my colleague made when I told him about Amazon Prime Now being available in Portland, and he realized he was in the zones with service... he was looking at the grocery store they have available for Prime Now 2 hr free delivery, and saw watermelons
13:12 < nmz787> and then we started talking about watermelons, and he found this: 15:13 < nmz787_w> The world obviously is in dire need of this device becoming a reality http://www.me.udel.edu/meeg447/98/serffiles/fall4-design-reviews/dr-ppt/dr-02.ppt
13:12 < nmz787> which says they used ultrasound
13:12 < chris_99> aha lol
13:13 < chris_99> i was trying to solder my ultrasound MEMS sensor the other day, but failed because it's so tiny, ordered some thinner copper wire to try again
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14:26 < archels> https://web.archive.org/web/20141219133936/http://celldynamics.org/celldynamics/index.html
14:26 < archels> hmm, defunct? bummer
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15:56 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vjt29f_6mk
15:56 < yoleaux> Elon Musk - Stephen Colbert Interview - The Late Show - 9/9/2015 - YouTube
15:57 < kanzure> "nuking mars is the fastest way to make it habitable."
15:58 < nsh> wat
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17:55 < kanzure> who do we have in montreal
17:55 < kanzure> besides padz
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18:20 < kanzure> "if it bleeds, we can kill it"
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18:26 < JayDugger> Nuking mars would work, if you want to thicken the atmosphere, but per Fogg's Terraforming, you'll need lots of large explosives.
18:27 < JayDugger> (And evacuate the planet while blasting.)
18:28 < JayDugger> kanzure, I read yesterday's draft, and I don't have much to add. Switch to a simpler block diagram of the Lightning network if one's available.
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18:29 < kanzure> someone else is presenting on that concept
18:29 < JayDugger> Make sure to maintain consistent bottom margins for each slide. One of the other diagrams almost falls off the page bottom. One last spell check, too.
18:30 < JayDugger> Then you can probably get by with a simpler version of the diagram in your presentation. (If that's the simple one, fine.)
18:31 < JayDugger> Everything else that came to mind when I read it would depend on the audience, and you know them better. So nothing valuable from me there.
18:32 < JayDugger> Thank ypu for letting me read the draft. I learned a good deal.
18:32 < kanzure> i still think it's weird that everyone knows ralph merkle here, but for all the wrong reasons
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18:36 < JayDugger> By here, you mean what?
18:37 < JayDugger> His dad worked on Project Pluto, IIRC.
18:38 < kanzure> "here" as in "in these bitcoin topics"
18:39 < kanzure> they don't know about his molecular nanotechnology work or cryonics work
18:40 < JayDugger> Oh.
18:40 < JayDugger> I would've guessed the reverse; so I asked.
18:41 < kanzure> well cryptography has much wider understanding i suppose
18:41 < kanzure> so it makes sense
18:41 < JayDugger> So back to nuking Mars:
18:44 < JayDugger> Skipping to the punch line, Mars probably doesn't have enough carbonate rock to thicken the atmosphere unless you want to "involve the brecciation of most of the planet's crust."
18:44 < JayDugger> But you could use it in carbonate and nitrate rock and ice to help.
18:45 < JayDugger> The polar caps lack enough ice to do the job.
18:47 < JayDugger> Fogg's Terraforming, Table 6.5 "Nuclear Mining of Carbon Dioxide on Mars" has  rows for device yield (Mt), millions of devices to devolatilize 300 mbar CO2, total cost of devices in trillions of 1975 USD, and cost equivalent in multiples of 1975 Gross World Product.
18:49 < JayDugger> Assuming thermonuclear bombs with lithium deuteride.
18:50 < JayDugger> He goes on to talk about likely radioactive contaminants, and their durations of human affect.
18:51 < JayDugger> Fun reading.
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21:12 < nmz787> haha, I can see some kind of 'slow colonization' movement being against nukaforming
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