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03:43 < kanzure> beep
03:54 < JayDugger> boop
04:10 < kanzure> "Assuming we have 100e9 neurons and 600e12 synapses; we'll need just log2(100e9 + 600e12) ~= 50 ±1 bits to address every single neuron and synapse in the human brain."
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04:10 < kanzure> but told him to look anyway at page 79 of http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf
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06:44 < Douhet> kanzure, so 64bits is plenty?
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07:33 < archels> kanzure: my prof is involved in some sort of "addressing scheme" in the HBP
07:34 < archels> the whole idea is pretty useless if you ask me
07:34 < archels> although perhaps you posted this in the context of adding a unique (DNA?) tag to each cell—I believe the BRAIN project was doing something along these lines
07:35 < archels> with a sort of ticker tape DNA strand that recorded activity, tagging it with a unique identifier of the cell
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09:01 < nsh> Human ?ome Project?
09:01 < nsh> .wik HBP Human project
09:01 < yoleaux> "The Human Brain Project is a large 10-year scientific research project, established in 2013, coordinated by Henry Markram (École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne) and largely funded by the European Union, which aims to provide a collaborative informatics infrastructure and first draft rodent and human whole brain models within its 10  …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Brain_Project
09:01 < nsh> oh right, yeah
09:01 < nsh> futile silliness. probably not entirely wasted work though
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10:47 < archels> nsh: well, I feel that this is a situation where the paradigm determines the nitty-gritty research that is carried out particularly strongly
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10:47 < archels> because we still seem to be under the impression that the brain is a perfectly modular structure, from individual neurons that are each more or less doing their own thing to whole brain areas that are each more or less doing their own thing
10:47 < nsh> yes
10:47 < nsh> we are paradigmatically undiverse to the point of dogmatic myopia
10:48 < nsh> contramainstream modelling, hypotheses or research is pushed towards fringes
10:49 < nsh> centralisation of of publishing and peer-review further exasperates
10:49 < archels> yeah, this was one of the primary arguments against the HBP
10:49 < nsh> even the citation graph is a monoculture
10:50 < nsh> i'm not sure how to approach that problem
10:50 < nsh> there is probably a clever, simple and wrong solution
10:50 < nsh> and possibly a hard, complicated and laborious one that might even work
10:53 < archels> mhm
10:53 < archels> well, one of the main issues as I see it is how to manage this hugely expanded flow of information
10:54 < archels> science is so much bigger now than it was a few decades ago—not in terms of "big science" blah, but just so many more people doing science and producing output
10:54 < archels> how do you filter the streams of data that are relevant to you? How do you advertise your own output?
10:55 < archels> and all that overhead and layers of organization associated with that :\
11:03 < kanzure> watching supermoon at igem sounds like fun time
11:04 < archels> supermoon is tonight, right?
11:05 < kanzure> yep, i am in chicago though. wrong place.
11:05 < kanzure> not igem.
11:06 < kanzure> chalk this one up to lack of planning
11:06 < archels> I am in Hamburg. saw moon earlier, didn't notice engrandening in particular
11:07 < kanzure> wrong time though
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17:08 < crescendo> I propose a kanzure-managed swarm of the diyhplus library; initial suggestion is BitTorrent Sync, but maybe a proper signed torrent with updates would work as well
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17:29 < justanotheruser> is there a standard for torrents without redundancies?
17:32 < crescendo> BEP 35 and 39 are the torrent-native versions of what I'm referring to, but Sync might have de-duping: http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0035.html && http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0039.html
17:33 < crescendo> I'd defer to bramc on this
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18:11 < kanzure> how kind of you to propose someone else do all this work
18:13 < crescendo> I can set it up, but you're cataloguing the bulk of the content, so I'd just need to give you setup instructions and place to dump them.  I'd be happy to write something to auto-sync with what you have as well, but want to be sure it'd be something people would use
18:13 < crescendo> this way, one server doesn't have to incur the load if someone wants to `wget -r` the whole thing
18:14 < crescendo> and it stays up to date (the hard part)
18:18 < crescendo> also, if there's another option, I'd be interested to hear it before pushing all the stuff out
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22:09 < nmz787> Houshalter: howdy
22:10 < Houshalter> nmz787, hello
22:10 < nmz787> Houshalter: I knew someone with a similar name in Pittsburgh
22:11 < Houshalter> Householder?
22:12 < nmz787> haushalter
22:13 < nmz787> I think
22:13 < Houshalter> ah that's the original german version
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