--- Log opened Wed Sep 30 00:00:43 2015 00:01 < nmz787> .title http://croco.freeonsciencelibraryguide.com/view.php?id=444459 00:01 < yoleaux> TITLE - Libgen Project - Free Internet Library 00:01 < nmz787> Optical Design of Microscopes (SPIE Tutorial Text Vol. TT88) (SPIE Tutorial Texts) by George H. Seward 00:01 < nmz787> "There is an excellent book available from SPIE that contains several "recipes" for modelling objective lenses in Zemax, including a full Nikon TIRF objective:" 00:38 < nmz787> the image on pg 26 is pretty telling (cross-section of objective lense) http://www.iap.uni-jena.de/iapmedia/Lecture/Advanced+Optical+Microscopy1365976800/AOM_Advanced+Optical+Microscopy+Lecture+1+Optical+system+I.pdf 00:39 < nmz787> (of complexity to mfg) 00:39 < nmz787> springs! 01:07 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31 < archels_> "Those limits suggest that if we had just a laptop sized computer in that time frame, that computer just by itself, in other words containing inside itself one virtual world, that virtual world would have enough detail to not only simulate the whole Earth, but also simulate the brains and everything that’s going on in humans, down to the atom, for everybody that’s now living on Earth." 01:32 < archels_> Philip Rosedale is an uploader. cool 01:32 < archels_> (chap behind Second Life) 01:32 -!- archels_ is now known as archels 01:32 -!- archels [charl@toad.stack.nl] has quit [Changing host] 01:32 -!- archels [charl@unaffiliated/archels] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:33 -!- mikles [c066efc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.102.239.195] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:34 -!- cpopell4 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:35 -!- mikles [c066efc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.102.239.195] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41 -!- cpopell4 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 02:14 < pasky> fenn: his personal fate is relatively unimportant for these guys, who want to get a point across to the general public instead 02:20 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mejbcjwvbadywnwc] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:35 -!- nsh [~lol@wikipedia/nsh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:04 < fenn> "The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is a highly validated psychopathology test that is generally used in a clinical psychology setting and may reveal potential mental health disorders. However, this can be considered by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission as the employer having knowledge of a medical condition prior to an offer of employment. This is an illegal basis 03:04 < fenn> for a hiring decision in the United States." 03:41 < archels> kanzure: so should I have a couple dozen litres of my blood frozen for when I'm 80? 04:23 < kanzure> yep, also some sperm and teeth and other stuff 04:25 < kanzure> if you can find it, your placenta or umbilical cord would also be good 04:26 * justanotheruser checks storage drawer for placenta 04:33 < kanzure> nick barone is asking for criticism about the syringe-injectable electronics idea from earlier this year https://www.facebook.com/nick.barone.775/posts/10100325510441436 04:34 < kanzure> the primary criticism that i remember is something about manufacturability 04:51 < fenn> does it kill nearby neural tissue like other solid electrode arrays 04:52 < fenn> seems like it would 04:52 < fenn> also i don't see why "roll it up so it fits in a needle" is groundbreaking research in 2015 04:53 < fenn> could have been done in the 1920's 04:54 < kanzure> what was the mesh type that you liked? 04:54 < fenn> carbon nanotube somethin somethin 04:54 < fenn> flexible 04:54 < fenn> maybe this? http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10544-013-9804-6 04:55 < fenn> .title 04:55 < yoleaux> All-carbon-nanotube flexible multi-electrode array for neuronal recording and stimulation - Springer 04:55 < fenn> no it wasn't that 04:56 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:02 < fenn> .title http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1741-2560/10/4/046016 05:02 < yoleaux> fenn: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process. 05:04 < fenn> pff now i can't even load the page 05:04 < kanzure> someone should try to make a patch clamp microarray at some point 05:04 < fenn> "A carbon-fiber electrode array for long-term neural recording" 05:04 < kanzure> also, not all neural interfacing devices need to work with action potentials, instead once we figure out methylation and engrams or whatever we could just have neural devices that work solely on those molecules after patching in through the cell membrane 05:05 < fenn> "a 16-channel electrode array consisting of carbon fibers (<5??m diameter) individually insulated with Parylene-C and fire-sharpened. The diameter of the array is approximately 26??m along the full extent of the implant. ... provided stable multi-unit recordings over time-scales of months. (in zebra finches)" 05:05 < fenn> what is an "engram" 05:05 < kanzure> just some bullshit about trying to find how memory is stored 05:05 < kanzure> we can get multi-month recording with the other kind of microelectrode arrays 05:07 < fenn> who the fuck decided to make a greek letter the SI unit of 10e-6 05:08 < kanzure> also, one of the synthetic biology or igem tricks that i have been seeing more of recently are things like "make a reporter gene or intermittent reporting signal based on a genetic circuit with a clock" where a small oligo is synthesized with some reporting information (actually i haven't looked into this to see how it works, because it sounds partly impossible). you wouldn't get realtime data logging but you could get some relative ... 05:08 < kanzure> ... timing information about important metabolic events. 05:08 < fenn> is this the DNA ticker tape idea? 05:09 < kanzure> no idea, only saw this idea out of peripheral vision and didn't look 05:10 < kanzure> haven't completed my summarization of igem 2015 projects http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/projects/#igem-2015 05:11 < kanzure> "Bacillus amyloliquefaciens" really? 05:16 < fenn> i don't know why this nanotube electrode array article isn't in the logs, maybe those logs are missing 05:16 < kanzure> wrong timeline 05:17 < fenn> dammit 05:19 < kanzure> also there was one about folding up into capillaries 05:21 < kanzure> "It has been proposed [1, 2] that a multitude of nanowire electrodes introduced into the central nervous system through the vascular system to address any brain area may be a possible solution." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092556/ 05:21 < kanzure> (but this was using nanowire) 05:21 < kanzure> "Response of brain tissue to chronically implanted electrodes" (2005) http://nanoforneuro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/reichert_jneurometh_2005.pdf 05:28 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtelhhrufzigmzlx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:49 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:50 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:50 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 06:13 < kanzure> 05:52 < Khoth> Yeah, it's just my pet peeve of people saying supentelligence when they mean wizard 06:16 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:f9c7:d289:1342:6f32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-12-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has quit [] 07:42 < archels> could someone refer me to a good book (chapter) on quaternions that is not terrible 08:00 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtelhhrufzigmzlx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:25 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:33 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:40 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9e1af942 Bryan Bishop: transcript: zero knowledge probabilistic proof systems >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/zero-knowledge-probabilistic-proof-systems/ 08:44 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-56-186-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-56-186-250.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 08:47 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-12-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:55 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:56 < kanzure> "evolutionary biology bootcamp" https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu 08:57 < kanzure> "workshop on computational theories of evolution" https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgKuh-lKre12Ye8BCdtvUt9PdPeIcsbB9 08:57 < kanzure> "what limits the efficiency of natural selection?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdwR9huqrUI&index=6&list=PLgKuh-lKre12Ye8BCdtvUt9PdPeIcsbB9 08:57 < kanzure> "Interaction-based Evolution: How Natural Selection and Non-accidental Mutation Work Together" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sryJPgP7ab4&index=7&list=PLgKuh-lKre12Ye8BCdtvUt9PdPeIcsbB9 08:58 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:58 -!- andytoshi [~andytoshi@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:59 < kanzure> "some questions from a condensed matter physicist" (on computational theories of evolution) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcaMHXFCHg&index=26&list=PLgKuh-lKre12Ye8BCdtvUt9PdPeIcsbB9 09:00 < kanzure> mathematical models in population genetics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcaMHXFCHg&index=26&list=PLgKuh-lKre12Ye8BCdtvUt9PdPeIcsbB9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO3-6ntkg9w&index=4&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BiaQrZ8bg&index=5&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu 09:00 < kanzure> "computational views of evolution" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMiODT5qPU&index=13&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFXRApGW_Lw&index=14&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu 09:00 < kanzure> "experimental evolution" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOX3LVvlHAk&index=17&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIKnyHMr70E&index=18&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu 09:01 < kanzure> "statistical physics views of evolution" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Th6qMLtJsU&index=19&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKD9PM9rw4&index=20&list=PLgKuh-lKre101KqCYF6EvtQAqiU3qVoAu 09:01 < kanzure> "genetic diversity in the interference selection limit" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf9F-1xgJzc&index=3&list=PLgKuh-lKre12z2B6q_wq__TZeQY_L2jYi 09:03 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwtpatzhsshprvwn] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:06 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:21 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=55dfed5c Bryan Bishop: some more simons-institute videos >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/simons-institute/todo/ 09:22 < archels> hm what was that LW post about waging on the side of being pro-transhumanism, or a future omnipotent AGI is going to torture your uploaded resurrections till the end of time? 09:25 < kanzure> .title https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/3mvrv7/interstellar_communications_using_gravitational/ 09:25 < yoleaux> Interstellar communications using gravitational lensing to get >100 dB gain... : amateurradio 09:25 < kanzure> archels: probably something something berserker 09:25 < kanzure> "a paper about gravitational lensing allowing for interstellar communication with only a few milliwatts(!) of power." 09:26 < kanzure> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.188.1145&rep=rep1&type=pdf 09:29 < kanzure> "is there a non-oil-based tech tree?" https://www.reddit.com/r/PostCollapse/comments/3mlwd8/is_there_a_nonoil_based_techtree/ 09:32 < fenn> lewis dartnell's entire book is about that 09:33 < fenn> heh of course eleitl mentions it 09:34 < fenn> i don't recommend reading "the knowledge" it glosses over all the important details like how to actually DO anything 09:36 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mejbcjwvbadywnwc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:05 < kanzure> "umbilical cord prolapse" wtf 10:07 < kanzure> in gastroschisis the intestines just protrude through a hole in the stomach, and that's how nutrition happens. cool. 10:07 < kanzure> oops i mean omphalocele 10:09 < kanzure> hm that's not helpful 10:09 -!- FourFire [FourFire@2a02:270:2015:cafe:b04a:56b:7821:e312] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:23 < kanzure> "including omnipotent beings in your threat model is not okay" 10:26 -!- FourFire [FourFire@2a02:270:2015:cafe:b04a:56b:7821:e312] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:44 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:47 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:49 < kanzure> http://www.loxap.com/programming-libraries-for-chemistry-scientists-w-12030/ 10:50 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2a02:270:2015:cafe:55d2:cad3:ec7e:185a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:53 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhgakdcsjzfqhgfj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:55 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@2a02:270:2015:cafe:55d2:cad3:ec7e:185a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 -!- 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kanzure> fucking hell it was VASP not VESP 11:32 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Ab_initio_Simulation_Package 11:33 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has quit [] 11:34 < kanzure> and gamess but i don't think this is what i mean either. 11:34 < kanzure> i have a VASP person that you can bug if you want 11:35 < kanzure> oh seems you already know VASP things because of toolset paper 11:35 < kanzure> 17:26 < eudoxia> I always found it hilarious how SIAI got millions of dollars in donations and has not produced a single tangible thing while Merkle and Freitas are probably starving to death under abridge holding up a sign that says "Wil 11:35 < kanzure> l do VASP simulations for food" 11:36 < kanzure> also these lists are still good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_for_molecular_mechanics_modeling and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quantum_chemistry_and_solid-state_physics_software 11:40 -!- math3 [uid54897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwtpatzhsshprvwn] has 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be missing 12:43 < maaku> i believe there is a whole subreddit devoted to that 12:44 < maaku> for me it just shows how messed up our brains can be 12:44 < kanzure> this is why i have started memorizing hplusroadmap log hashes 12:45 < FourFire> kanzure, uhh I half noticed something like that a few times so far 12:45 < FourFire> I'm not very observant though 12:49 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@2602:306:c4d8:8420:1f6:bd50:339:8784] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06 -!- delinquentme [~delinquen@74.61.157.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:23 < delinquentme> TIL hackintoshes have batterly life issues 13:23 < delinquentme> seems ubuntu on MBP hardware isnt going to be happy 13:23 < delinquentme> unless im the one making it happy 13:26 -!- Darius [~quassel@207.251.103.46] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:27 < kanzure> delinquentme: carry backup batteries etc 13:28 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10306204 13:28 < yoleaux> Why Aren’t America’s Shipping Ports Automated? | Hacker News 13:29 -!- bbrittain [~ben@129.21.146.247] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 * bbrittain looks around 13:30 < delinquentme> kanzure, funny 13:30 < kanzure> bbrittain: greetings 13:31 < bbrittain> long time, no type 13:31 < bbrittain> I was traveling all sumer 13:31 < kanzure> what about the internship/job/thing? 13:31 < bbrittain> It was alright, considering going back after a finishing up my school 13:32 < bbrittain> kinda doing that job looking thingy 13:32 < kanzure> how was it? 13:32 < kanzure> or what did you do or not do 13:34 < bbrittain> kanzure: the internship/job? I'm not sure I'm supposed to talk about a lot of it. 13:34 < bbrittain> hence one of my reasons I'm considering not going back 13:35 < kanzure> too much secrecy? 13:35 < bbrittain> yup 13:35 < kanzure> see pm 13:39 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-upsqyqeahmxstpex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- Betawolf [~matthew@xn--bta-yla.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 -!- bbrittain [~ben@129.21.146.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:20 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 14:41 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:47 -!- QuadIngi [~FourFire@114-32-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:22 < kanzure> hello jakesyl 16:00 -!- Darius [~quassel@207.251.103.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:37 < jrayhawk> Cheaper ZMW/SMRT sequencer released today: http://blog.pacificbiosciences.com/2015/09/introducing-sequel-system-scalable.html 16:44 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: cpopell] 16:49 -!- Houshalter2 [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:50 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-57-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:51 -!- Houshalter2 is now known as houshalter 17:04 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- cpopell [~cpopell@c-76-26-144-132.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-upsqyqeahmxstpex] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:46 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:03 < jakesyl> hello kanzure 18:06 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-81-165-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-92-169-26.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:32 < kanzure> "Hunkapiller" man i bet the yahoo groups users go apeshit over him 18:32 < kanzure> not sure where you are seeing price 18:50 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:51 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52 < JayDugger> Was yesterday's hash 0caa20b54ec2aea1d0d57fc5bbff8e24? 18:53 < kanzure> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gene-edited-micropigs-to-be-sold-as-pets/ 18:54 < kanzure> "On September 23, at the Shenzhen International Biotech Leaders Summit in China, BGI revealed that it would start selling the pigs as pets" 18:55 < kanzure> quite the pivot for bgi 18:56 < JayDugger> "Jeantine Lunshof, a bioethicist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, who describes both as 'stretching physiological limits for the sole purpose of satisfying idiosyncratic aesthetic preferences of humans'" 18:57 < JayDugger> Huh. I will guess that woman's never been to a dog show or a livestock auction. 18:57 < kanzure> or dated 18:57 < JayDugger> Heh. Better point. 18:58 < kanzure> followed naturally from "livestock auction" 18:59 < JayDugger> Fair enough. I wonder if those smaller pigs would make more efficient livestock. Fodder-to-salable meat ratio? 19:02 < JayDugger> Less bone, anyway; smaller pens; pork's a popular meat, and they seem to breed fairly true. Are these little pigs much bigger than rabbits? 19:04 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 < JayDugger> maaku, do you remember what subreddit you meant with "i believe there is a whole subreddit devoted to that" yesterday? That sounds like a useful resource for a writing project of mine. 19:23 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28 < maaku> JayDugger: https://www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/top/ 19:29 < maaku> or this: https://www.reddit.com/r/glitchinthematrix 19:29 < maaku> there's a few actually 19:31 < JayDugger> Thank you for the links. 19:42 -!- Burnin8 [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:47 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:20 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:33 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:39 -!- _hanhart [~hanhart@static.101.25.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:50 < nmz787> well, it's not a pickup truck, but with a lift kit... what a dream offroad machine (as long as you don't flip it) http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/30/9421719/tesla-model-x-bioweapon-defense-mode-button 20:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- _hanhart [~hanhart@static.101.25.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 21:22 < maaku> JayDugger: I've got personal experience of the opposite occurance -- vivid premonitions which come true 21:22 < kanzure> "Sooam Biotech is the only lab in the world that makes genetically identical copies — clones — of dogs for pet owners." 21:22 < kanzure> i wonder if they are suing everyone else 21:23 < kanzure> from http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/09/30/418642018/disgraced-scientist-clones-dogs-and-critics-question-his-intent 21:23 < maaku> except what I know to be actually happening is memories rewriting themselves so that I remember my present experience as if i dreamed it before ... memories are funny things 21:23 < maaku> kanzure: i would be very interested to hear those owner's opinions of how similar/dissimilar their cloned pet's personalities are 21:24 < maaku> ok mildly interested. it'd be unreliable data 21:24 < kanzure> negative opinions would seem less unreliable 21:25 < kanzure> "nothing like the original, spends way too much time on my lap" etc 21:25 < maaku> right 21:26 < kanzure> "other dogs visibly confused by resurrection" 21:26 < kanzure> (although a bunch of the smells and scents are partly caused by microbial content, so i doubt the confusion would be there) 21:29 < kanzure> i wonder if you could grow a fungus in an open-air petri dish that would reduce semiconductor manufacturing contamination in filtered facilities 21:30 < kanzure> only works if dust floats by your organism... too bad. 21:31 < kanzure> what are we down to these days, 1 part contaminant per trillion? 21:44 < nmz787> paul stamets recommends mycelial mats for water filtration... so I imagine something like that would work for air 21:46 -!- erasmus [~esb@unaffiliated/erasmus] has quit [Quit: Namaste] 22:11 -!- jakesyl [~jakesyl@2601:8a:403:2dff:d83:363b:6eec:f8f4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:30 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@185.7.192.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Oct 01 00:00:44 2015