--- Log opened Tue Oct 27 00:00:08 2015 00:03 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:07 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:19 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:37 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:39 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:44 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:44 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:44 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 02:30 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:09 < kanzure> streety: for context, this was something lkke a million mice 03:14 < drethelin> woah 04:35 < streety> at the moment I'm not seeing how this system of pipes and valves would be anything other than a massive over-complication. How do you route the cleaning to each pvc tube cage? A million mice is certainly a lot so the processes you would need will be different to a conventional animal housing facility but I think there is a simpler approach that what you are contemplating. 04:36 < streety> To house a million mice you probably need something less than 200 people, that's going to be the upper limit on the savings you could make with automation 04:37 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.21.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:57 -!- Relequestual [~Relequest@wtsi-nat-m-dt1.sanger.ac.uk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:57 -!- Relequestual [~Relequest@wtsi-nat-m-dt1.sanger.ac.uk] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] 05:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:07 -!- atomical [~atomical@50.247.130.97] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:11 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- Taek42 is now known as Taek 05:33 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjzvsqeldsavfcmq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:34 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdnrwocfkknnjekm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- mgin [~mgin@unaffiliated/mgin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:04 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@37.218.154.223] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:06 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-227-122-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-50-16-101-20.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:29 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-87-80.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:39 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@acvs83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:45 < JayDugger> Good morning. To house a million mice you need a million cats. Or one-tenth as many very hungry cats. 06:50 < kanzure> 200 people * $10/hour * 8 hours/day = $16k/day. this is equivalent to feeding cost of 5.8 million mice years. 06:51 < kanzure> wait, i mean, a year of... er. 06:52 < kanzure> a full year of employment at $16k/day could have otherwise paid for 5.8 million mice years for that year 06:53 < kanzure> wait, this sounds wrong. mouse feed is not $1/day. it's supposed to be much less. 06:58 < JayDugger> $1 per how many mice per day? 07:01 < kanzure> $1/mouse-food-day. but real cost is probably half or less. 07:03 < JayDugger> Do lab mice have expensive diets? They can have expensive pedigrees. 07:04 < JayDugger> Perhaps that $1/mouse-food-day makes sense. 07:13 -!- c0rw|zZz is now known as c0rw1n 07:14 -!- drethelin [drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:20 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iunxqpzhbbljrxnt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:22 -!- _hanhart [~hanhart@static.101.25.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- _hanhart [~hanhart@static.101.25.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [K-Lined] 07:33 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hdnrwocfkknnjekm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:34 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:37 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:37 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 08:03 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:17 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic 08:19 < fenn> labdiet 5001 rodent chow $40 for a 50lb bag 08:23 < fenn> "contains high concentrations of methylmercury and a mixture of inorganic and organic arsenic compounds at a concentration 36 times the EPA-recommended level for drinking water" great 08:25 < fenn> "In an ongoing longevity study involving 2,400 mice, measured feeding is ~9% of total costs" apparently measuring the amount of food eaten is expensive 08:31 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:31 < kanzure> yeah things i have seen say about 3-4 grams/mouse day 08:31 < fenn> wikipedia says 150g food per kg body weight so for a 25g mouse (a large mouse) 4g of food per day, or $2.57 per mouse year 08:32 < kanzure> oh geeze i'm way off 08:33 < kanzure> prolly cheaper to buy/mix food too 08:33 < kanzure> i mean, cheaper than buying bagged branded crap 08:33 < fenn> i doubt it 08:35 < fenn> quora estimates the traditional cost to keep mice at "It's roughly a dollar a mouse a day. Perhaps half that if you don't need special caging. 08:35 < fenn> Divide by grad student stipend for the ratio. 08:35 < fenn> which is not encouraging as to the state of automation 08:36 < kanzure> afaik none of this is typically automated 08:38 < fenn> "When it comes to the price of mice, you pay more for defects. A mouse with arthritis runs close to $200; two pairs of epileptic mice can cost 10 times that." 08:38 < fenn> wow i'm in the wrong business 08:38 < kanzure> jax labs has somewhat of a monopoly 08:38 < kanzure> because researchers want to ensure they get the same strain 08:40 < kanzure> kung fury's time hacking scene is the greatest hacking scene of all time 08:56 < fenn> well this is a creative solution http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/73427243/Waikato-family-deliberately-stunts-disabled-daughters-growth 08:59 < poppingtonic> omg how did i not know about kung fury 09:04 -!- Aurelius_Work2 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:11 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:13 -!- mosasaur [~mosasaur@unaffiliated/mosasaur] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:16 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEkrWRHCDQU 09:16 < yoleaux> HACKERMAN'S HACKING TUTORIALS - How To Hack Time - YouTube 09:30 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 < nmz787_i> ugh, I hate waking up 09:36 < nmz787_i> when are we curing sleep? 09:36 < nmz787_i> actually i hate going to sleep and waking up 09:37 < nmz787_i> I only recently realized I only 'like' waking up when I go to bed feeling so crappy (meaning it is super late), it is /relatively/ better feeling when I wake up 09:38 < fenn> maybe you should take melatonin and/or modafinil 09:38 < kanzure> probably easier to get lucid dreaming plus exoskeleton, rather than not sleeping at all 09:39 < fenn> because sleep-fucking the mailman is better when you have superhuman strength 09:39 < kanzure> are you a dog? 09:39 < fenn> when i dream 09:39 < fenn> maybe i'm just a werewolf 09:40 < fenn> it would explain a lot 09:40 < nmz787_i> is your mailman hot? 09:40 < fenn> it was just an example situation 09:41 < kanzure> i am usually at 100% when i wake up 09:41 < kanzure> other than needing a few moments for eye adjustment 09:41 < nmz787_i> I usually feel like I could puke 09:41 < nmz787_i> since I was a kid 09:41 < nmz787_i> mornings have always sucked ass 09:41 < kanzure> do you use an alarm? 09:42 < fenn> i noticed modafinil continues to work the next day so it's easier and faster to wake up 09:42 < nmz787_i> yeah, but even if I sleep through it (which is usual, the alarm is more for my partner to wake up) 09:42 < nmz787_i> also getting to sleep is always way more drawn out than I want... like a good 15-90 minutes of just laying in bed 09:42 < kanzure> one thing i've noticed is that i have fairly consistent mornings especially when i wake up for twenty or thirty minutes half-way through 09:42 < fenn> nausea is common symptom of low blood sugar or low blood pressure 09:43 < kanzure> although i do notice i had a typo this morning ("lkke"), oops 09:43 < nmz787_i> and sometimes I say fuck it and just get back up after an hour of waiting doing seemingly nothing (yeah yeah, my brain immune garbage pump is probably starting up) 09:43 < nmz787_i> I've tried melatonin, it seemed inneffective, though I last tried it maybe 10 years ago 09:44 < nmz787_i> benzodiazapenes work reliably, but I never thought it would be healthy to take a consistent regime including them 09:45 < nmz787_i> i feel like modafinil would affect my sleep, but I guess I don't really remember that being the case the few times I've tried it 09:45 < kanzure> ever gone to sleep study lab? 09:45 < kanzure> same question for fenn actually 09:45 < nmz787_i> i do remember reading that it usually doesn't mess with sleep, at least as compared to amphetamines 09:45 < fenn> no 09:45 < kanzure> fwiw my sleep does not seem impaired by large quantities of amphetamine 09:45 < kanzure> fenn: you should uh.. consider that. 09:45 < nmz787_i> hmm, I think when I was a kid they might have monitored me at night once, but I feel like they only listened to me, maybe for breathing issues? 09:46 < nmz787_i> kanzure: I actually stopped taking amphetamines in large part because I felt they were still too active at night (even if i'd taken them 12+ hours prior) and sleep was causing troubles with waking up and thus school, so I stopped taking them 09:47 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 < nmz787_i> but who knows, since I still can't get to sleep 10 years later o 09:47 < pasky> i typically need ~1-2 *hours* to wake up :( no matter what sleep phase i wake up at, with redshift the night before, experimented a lot 09:47 < kanzure> nmz787_i: my results with amphetamine seem to be an outlier, so whatever 09:47 < nmz787_i> maybe they warped my brain since they started shoving the pills down my throat at like, age 6 09:47 < kanzure> i sleep just fine on adderall. even naps. 09:48 < kanzure> well, naps make me feel terrible, but i'm capable of getting into a nap. 09:48 < maaku> anyone here tried polyphasic sleep? 09:49 < kanzure> of course 09:49 < kanzure> everyone tries that at some point 09:50 < nmz787_i> I don't think I ever really tried it 09:51 < nmz787_i> I guess I always must have internally scoffed 'how the hell will I get to sleep 10 times /more/ than I already do, when that already can take a long-ass time?' 09:51 < maaku> i haven't had a living situation that would let me try it 09:52 < maaku> but i'm curious to see if it worked for anyone else, or if it's another instance of someone trolling on the internet 09:52 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|afk 09:54 < Aurelius_Work2> I didn't bother trying polyphasic 10:00 < kanzure> maaku: didn't have useful results for me. but i wasn't trying to find the important variables, either. 10:01 < fenn> biphasic (siesta/witching hour) is much more likely to work 10:01 < kanzure> this claims that knockout mice cost $100k/strain to generate, http://www.nih.gov/science/models/mouse/deltagenlexicon/NatureMedicine1105.pdf 10:01 < kanzure> but scienceexchange is selling 'em for like <$3500 10:01 < kanzure> (new strains, even) 10:02 < kanzure> this article claims that some mouse knockout facilities demand royalties on downstream products or discoveries resulting from using their purpose-specific/knockout mouse strain. hah. 10:03 < fenn> how about "NO" 10:03 < maaku> fenn: biphasic is the natural state of human beings. quite a bit of knowledge about that 10:04 < fenn> everyone i know who has tried the uberman sleep schedule said it didn't work 10:08 < fenn> i have occasionally done an "eversion" where instead of rotation completely around 24 hours i shifted by 12 hours by increasing siesta sleep and decreasing normal sleep 10:08 < fenn> i haven't looked at the long term patterns around that move though 10:10 < kanzure> what you really need is a 10 hour "cryotherapy" nap 10:12 < fenn> too soon 10:25 < nmz787_i> there must be some way to have severly reduced mental capacity while staying awake and also getting the brain-cleanup stuff to happen 10:26 < nmz787_i> I could, for example, clean up code stylings that don't conform to PEP8... not hard, but can be tedious 10:26 < maaku> nmz787_i: it's called sleepwalking 10:27 < nmz787_i> more like sleep de-linting 10:28 < maaku> nmz787_i: no, i mean there is a clinical state of being active but mentally impaired while your brain de-toxes itself 10:28 < maaku> it's called sleepwalking, and there are drugs to induce it 10:28 < nmz787_i> hmm, what drugs? 10:28 < maaku> people do all sorts of things while 'sleepwalking' 10:28 < maaku> (often things they regret later) 10:29 < maaku> https://encrypted.google.com/#q=induced+sleepwalking 10:29 < nmz787_i> /me damn, I never should have wrote that code while sleepwalking 10:29 < maaku> more like damn, I shouldn't have had questionable sex while sleepwlaking 10:31 < nmz787_i> no results for "induced sleepwalking for profit" 10:35 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-87-91.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:35 < nmz787_i> hmm, I'm not sure how to search for positive sleepwalking data/experiences. 10:35 < nmz787_i> 'sleepwalking for utility' etc, comes up with totally non-relevant links 10:36 < nmz787_i> unless that means that there is no utility in sleepwalking 10:36 < nmz787_i> or none that has heretofore been discovered 10:36 < kanzure> try "sleepwalking violence" 10:36 -!- eudoxia_ [~eudoxia@r167-57-87-91.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 10:38 < kanzure> or sleep eating 10:38 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-57-87-80.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40 < fenn> .wik dion mcgregor 10:40 < yoleaux> "Dion McGregor (1922–1994) was an American songwriter known for talking in his sleep. An LP of his dream diatribes – The Dream World Of Dion McGregor (He Talks In His Sleep) – was released to minor acclaim by Decca Records in 1964." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_McGregor 10:40 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X5av3mF1Hw 10:40 < yoleaux> Dion McGregor: The Mustard Battle - YouTube 10:41 < fenn> hmm i don't have that one 10:41 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@37.218.154.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:43 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxc1ZoG9MIo 10:43 < yoleaux> Dion McGregor: The Operation - YouTube 10:44 < fenn> they're not all so straightforward and logical 10:55 < kanzure> not sure i want transcripts of my dreams 10:56 < kanzure> but i'll be sure to hold on to a keyboard one of these nights 10:57 < kanzure> not sure how to stop myself from exiting vim though 11:03 < nmz787_i> need a burner device for the night 11:03 < nmz787_i> something that doesn't know your passwords and such 11:05 < kanzure> dream bryan might be an even better hacker than wakeful bryan, so i dunno if that would stop me 11:11 < nmz787_i> huh, this is neat https://github.com/mame/quine-relay 11:13 < nmz787_i> .wik quine(Computing) 11:13 < yoleaux> "A quine is a non-empty computer program which takes no input and produces a copy of its own source code as its only output. The standard terms for these programs in the computability theory and computer science literature are "self-replicating programs", "self-reproducing programs", and "self-copying programs"." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing) 11:13 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: is this really something new to this industry? http://datacenterfrontier.com/immersion-cooling-bitcoin/ 11:13 < nmz787_i> "Such an empty program, submitted as "the world's smallest self reproducing program", once won the "worst abuse of the rules" prize in the International Obfuscated C Code Contest." 11:23 < nmz787_i> heheh http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2014/12/hollywood-technodrama.html 11:24 < nmz787_i> .title 11:24 < yoleaux> From the Canyon Edge: Hollywood Technodrama -- There's an App for that! 11:30 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.88.71.230] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:42 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: nah, not new, but lots of the big mining operations moved to where geothermal energy made cooling more convenient and easy... 12:10 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:12 < nmz787_i> hi chris_99 12:12 < chris_99> hey nmz787_i, how goes? 12:13 < nmz787_i> alright, found out yesterday OSHpark 12:14 < nmz787_i> OSHPark's fab didn't silkscreen my PCBs, so I am getting double 12:14 < nmz787_i> since the non-silk screened are electrically correct 12:14 < chris_99> heh cool, what's the PCB for 12:16 < nmz787_i> photodiode with a MOSFET and some amplifiers... for xray detection eventually (hopefully) 12:17 < chris_99> neat :) 12:18 < chris_99> i think i've decided i'm gonna try and implement the logic for the clock generation for the ADC+CCD, in an FPGA, so i'm gonna try and learn VHDL or Verilog 12:19 < nmz787_i> you gonna try for a delta sigma ADC too? 12:20 < nmz787_i> idk how fast the system clock needs to be for that to get high enough rates 12:20 < nmz787_i> chris_99: have you heard of myhdl... it is a Python library that also features python to VHDL or verilog 12:21 < chris_99> nope i haven't, i'd like to learn a hardware definition language though i think 12:21 < nmz787_i> there is a #myhdl room, and the guy cfelton even showed me some automagic-ification scripts to interact with the vendor compier tools, so I basically did nothing to get an LED to blink 12:21 < nmz787_i> chris_99: the thing is, Python is just as suitable as the other languages 12:22 < nmz787_i> the library just adds the appropriate decorators for HDL 12:22 < chris_99> hmm, but python is really designed to be run on a processor 12:22 < nmz787_i> well HDL is also 12:22 < nmz787_i> neither are directly suitable for FPGA netlist synthesis 12:22 < nmz787_i> and not all HDL is synthesizable in general 12:23 < nmz787_i> a lot of HDL is just there so you can write a simulator for your hardware side of things 12:25 < chris_99> i'm not sure what you mean, VHDL etc, are designed to enable synthesis to FPGA etc. 12:26 -!- atomical [~atomical@50.247.130.97] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:31 < nmz787_i> that was the intent originally, but then programmers forgot how to use other languages (or were EEs and were never taught other languages) so they extended those HDLs to include non-synthesizable code/techniques... specifically to enable test-benches 12:32 < chris_99> oh gotcha 12:32 < nmz787_i> fast forward 20-30 years and some FPGA programmer realized he could just add HDL features to python using decorators, and then wrote the simulator for the test-bench side of things, along with the Python to VHDL or Verilog converters 12:33 < nmz787_i> so you can write most stuff in Python, test it, simulate it... convert to VHDL or Verilog, add other VHDL/verilog, test simulate more if you like, or go straight to FPGA synthess 12:35 < chris_99> interesting 12:35 < nmz787_i> they already had test code for my DE0-nano... so it was an easy experiment for me to try it out 12:36 -!- lake_ [~lake_@59-186-128-104-static.reverse.queryfoundry.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:36 < nmz787_i> this was the automagifier that enabled the myhdl to also kickoff FPGA synthesis https://github.com/cfelton/rhea 12:36 < chris_99> that was one fpga board i've looked at which looks pretty good 12:37 < nmz787_i> oh, huh, he seems to have removed the purely blinky LED example, but added some more complex (including the sdram example that was developed via a GSOC project) 12:39 < chris_99> i was looking at http://www.wvshare.com/product/CoreEP4CE6.htm but i'm gonna try writing the code first using Quartus to check it would fit 12:41 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I think the main thing to look for in any FPGA board is probably a high purity oscillator 12:42 < nmz787_i> I'm not familiar enough with PLLs to know how much they can drift and such... I assume jitter is low, but I'm not sure about it, and then yeah drift can be another issue 12:42 < chris_99> hmm you wouldn't need something like an OCXO though right, as that would seem a bit overkill 12:43 < nmz787_i> I was studying high purity clock generation a few years ago, but didn't get too invested in it 12:43 < nmz787_i> I remember seeing oscillators in the ppb range for purity 12:43 < nmz787_i> while most are in the ppm 12:43 < nmz787_i> 'cheap crystals' 12:44 < nmz787_i> chris_99: there's also the zynq 12:44 < nmz787_i> I think someone arduino-ized it 12:44 < chris_99> yeah i've heard of them 12:44 < chris_99> im assuming they're not cheap 12:44 < chris_99> though 12:44 < nmz787_i> or I at least saw it on hackaday a few times recently 12:53 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iunxqpzhbbljrxnt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:55 < nmz787_i> chris_99: this is something to watch out for in the future, says $55 (when it is released) https://www.crowdsupply.com/krtkl/snickerdoodle 12:56 < chris_99> neat 12:59 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:05 < nmz787_i> $99 http://www.myirtech.com/list.asp?id=502 13:05 < nmz787_i> huh, and that has 96 LVDS pairs... 13:05 < chris_99> doesn't the parallella 13:05 < chris_99> have a zynq 13:05 < chris_99> onboard 13:06 < chris_99> apparently it does 13:07 < nmz787_i> ah, that last one has at most 10% of the FPGA gates as the snickerdoodle 13:07 < nmz787_i> (i think) 13:07 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10459894 13:07 < yoleaux> FDA Inspectors Call Theranos Blood Vial ‘Uncleared Medical Device’ | Hacker News 13:08 < kanzure> http://www.fda.gov/ucm/groups/fdagov-public/@fdagov-afda-orgs/documents/document/ucm469395.pdf 13:09 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:29 < lake_> looking for rcommendable sites selling Piracetam and have found sites but am wanting quality.any suggestions? 13:29 < nmz787_i> 'The Librarian of Congress has granted security researchers and others the right to inspect and modify the software in their cars and other vehicles, despite protests from vehicle manufacturers. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed the request for software access as part of the complex, triennial rulemaking process that determines exemptions from Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).' 13:30 < nmz787_i> https://supporters.eff.org/civicrm/mailing/view?reset=1&id=1234 13:31 < kanzure> lake_: maybe http://www.coinrx.com/ 13:31 < lake_> ty 13:31 < kanzure> hm nevermind, they are dead 13:31 < lake_> yep dead' 13:31 < nmz787_i> kanzure: what is the easiest way to send someone bitcoin? 13:31 < nmz787_i> (this week) 13:32 < nmz787_i> (easiest way this week) 13:32 < kanzure> a bitcoin transaction 13:32 < nmz787_i> :/ 13:32 < nmz787_i> I mean practically to do that 13:32 < kanzure> open up your bitcoin client, make a bitcoin transaction and send the transaction to the bitcoin network 13:32 < nmz787_i> Can I send them with a credit card? 13:33 < nmz787_i> ok, but what I am asking is what is the easiest way? 13:33 < nmz787_i> I don't have a bitcoin client 13:33 < nmz787_i> I don't know what exists 13:33 < kanzure> do you have any bitcoin? 13:33 < nmz787_i> you gave me 1 like 2 years ago 13:33 < nmz787_i> but I just have it written on some paper, or no, in a text file 13:33 < kanzure> you'll have to use a wallet like electrum, mycelium, coinbase.com, etc. 13:34 < nmz787_i> and I have no idea how to split it and send just a small chunk 13:34 < kanzure> you can use coinbase.com to buy bitcoin using a credit card after you upload your passport and sign a blood oath 13:34 < nmz787_i> ew 13:34 < kanzure> you want to use a wallet's "sweep" function to transfer it to a new address that the wallet controls 13:34 < nmz787_i> I wonder if paypal likes me again 13:34 < nmz787_i> and if they do bitcoin 13:34 < kanzure> or you can manually construct a bitcoin transaction (just make sure to send the remainder/change back to yourself, otherwise you will lose money) 13:34 < kanzure> paypal does not transfer bitcoin at the moment 13:35 < kanzure> electrum works reasonably well 13:35 < kanzure> coinbase.com for a paypal-like experience 13:35 < nmz787_i> hmm, electrum is a download thing? 13:36 < nmz787_i> hrmm 13:36 < nmz787_i> what about android apps? 13:36 < nmz787_i> do those exist in any secure fashion? 13:37 < nmz787_i> oh, I see some app called mycelium 13:37 -!- Aurelius_Work2 [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:45 < lake_> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2012/04/how-to-buy-bitcoins-anonymously-in-the-us-instantly/ this might help, will look for others 13:45 < kanzure> there's generally no way to get instant bitcoin because of credit card chargeback risk (there's no chargebacks on the bitcoin network, so nobody is willing to risk that when selling you bitcoin) 13:47 < kanzure> which makes purse.io even more strange 13:54 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77.88.71.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08 < kanzure> nmz787_i: coinbase.com is a web wallet and you can send by just typing an email address, then they do onboarding/signup for that new user. but web wallet has different security implications. degraded security in many cases. 14:10 < nmz787_i> someone told me to just use android bitcoin wallet and blockchain.info 14:11 < kanzure> don't use blockchain.info; their site displays wrong data, they frequently get things wrong, etc. 14:11 < kanzure> android bitcoin wallet i'm not sure about, you'll have to snoop around on the interwebs to check that one out 14:32 < nmz787_i> anyone here use this ? https://mosh.mit.edu/ 14:32 < nmz787_i> fenn: maybe? ^ 14:33 < kanzure> gmaxwell and maaku swear by mosh, but i seem to do pretty well with just ssh + tmux 14:34 < nmz787_i> someone is mentioning this in relation to mosh 14:34 < nmz787_i> "Note that mosh-client receives an AES session key as an environment variable. If you are porting Mosh to a new operating system, please make sure that a running process's environment variables are not readable by other users." 14:34 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:36 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:39 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@cm-84.215.195.59.getinternet.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:14 < maaku> never used mosh, but heard good things about it 15:14 < maaku> i'm a dinosoar, i still use screen not tmux 15:16 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-74-96-98-64.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:25 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:34 -!- chris_99 [~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:39 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:56 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- Jawmare [~Jawmare@unaffiliated/jawmare] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:32 < fenn> mosh looks pretty useful 16:44 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:05 -!- night [~Adifex@unaffiliated/adifex] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37 -!- dpk [~dpk@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41 -!- dpk [~dpk@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:58 < kanzure> links from #lesswrong logs http://hvgrx.net/lwlinkscount.txt 17:58 -!- Infomorph [~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:03 -!- Infomorph [~Jimmy98@89.41.57.33] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:11 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:11 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12 -!- strangewarp [~strangewa@c-76-25-206-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:15 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:22 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:24 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@cm-84.215.195.59.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:26 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27 -!- AmbulatoryCortex [~Ambulator@173-31-155-69.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:34 -!- yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 18:34 -!- yorick [~yorick@oftn/member/yorick] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:48 -!- c0rw|afk is now known as c0rw1n 19:07 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:18 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 < catern> M-x sort-numeric-fields 19:28 < catern> handy 19:32 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:33 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mosjzwubgrgaxswe] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:37 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@37.218.154.223] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:58 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:03 < nmz787_i> kanzure: did you see this ? http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0137652 20:03 < nmz787_i> .title 20:03 < yoleaux> PLOS ONE: AQUA Cloning: A Versatile and Simple Enzyme-Free Cloning Approach 20:07 < kanzure> nope 20:28 -!- TheoryCat [TheoryCat@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:46 -!- drethelin [drethelin@24-241-226-112.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:55 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@192.55.55.37] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57 -!- astrocyte [~astrocyte@ip72-220-81-217.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:13 -!- astrocyte [~astrocyte@ip72-220-81-217.sd.sd.cox.net] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 21:25 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:37 < lake_> http://peerproduction.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/JoPP_Peer-book.pdf 21:43 -!- TheoryCat [TheoryCat@unaffiliated/wye-naught/x-8734122] has quit [Quit: TheoryCat] 21:44 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 21:47 < lake_> http://www.oreilly.com/biocoder/?intcmp=il-na-free-lp-intsrch_biocoder_ct 22:14 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:26 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:12 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- poppingtonic1 [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:32 -!- poppingtonic1 is now known as poppingtonic --- Log closed Wed Oct 28 00:00:09 2015