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00:07 < drethelin> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017H10NGA/ref=s9_hps_bw_g422_i1
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12:06 < archels> paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1741-2560/10/2/026003/meta;jsessionid=CD43A591EC939DEA375B2CC5E6B1DF51.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org
12:07 < chris_99> i think paperbot has been dead for a while?
12:07 < archels> hmmm
12:07 < archels> .title
12:08 < archels> hmmm.
12:08 < yoleaux> archels: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process.
12:08 < archels>  "High-resolution measurement of electrically-evoked vagus nerve activity in the anesthetized dog."
12:14 < kanzure> "The tumor had spread to his brain stem and was shortly expected to kill him. Muizelaar cut out as much of the tumor as possible. But before he replaced the “bone flap”—the section of skull that is removed to allow access to the brain—he soaked it for an hour in a solution teeming with Enterobacter aerogenes, a common fecal bacterium. Then he reattached it to Egan’s skull, using tiny metal plates and screws."
12:15 < kanzure> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/07/bacteria-on-the-brain
12:16 < archels> http://turingbirds.com/temp/Intraoperative+human+vagus+nerve+compound+action+potentials.pdf
12:17 < kanzure> "kill the glioblastoma by infecting the brain" okay
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12:22 < archels> .title http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1741-2560/11/3/036011/pdf
12:22 < archels> "Blood pressure control with selective vagal nerve stimulation and minimal side effects"
12:22 < yoleaux> archels: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process.
12:23 < archels> .title http://www.dicardiology.com/content/enrollment-completed-inovate-hf-study-cardiofit-treat-heart-failure
12:23 < yoleaux> Enrollment Completed for INOVATE-HF Study of CardioFit to Treat Heart Failure | Diagnostic and Interventional Cardiology
12:24 < archels> August 28, 2015
12:26 < kanzure> this guy needs to be using a form of bacteria that has more programmed cell death stuff
12:26 < kanzure> "He was heartened to read, in a recent issue of Neurosurgery, an article proposing Clostridium novyi, a common soil bacterium, as a potential therapy for brain tumors. This spring, a wealthy supporter gave him seventy-five thousand dollars to begin a new study of Enterobacter in rats with glioblastoma."
12:27 < kanzure> if the tumors are well-formed not sure why they don't try ultrasound if they are willing to do weird stuff
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12:30 < kanzure> "Gromeier created the altered poliovirus twenty-one years ago, when he was a postdoctoral fellow. Studies he did at the time suggested that poliovirus has a strong affinity for brain cancer: receptors that the virus targets are prevalent on the surface of tumors. The paper he wrote proposing the altered virus as a potential treatment for glioblastoma was rejected by two top journals before being published, in 2000. It took more than a ...
12:30 < kanzure> ... decade of lab work—in mice, then in monkeys—before the F.D.A. allowed Duke to test the virus in humans."
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13:08 < archels> also ##hplusroadmap logs  http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-11-30.log
13:08 < archels> oops
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14:12 < andytoshi> kanzure: i just learned that C-W C-V will vsplit a window in vi
14:12 < andytoshi> rather than `:vsplit`
14:12 < kanzure> at this rate by 2018 i might even learn about insert mode
14:13 < andytoshi> heh, be careful, in insurt mode C-W is "delete til next word"
14:17 < justanotheruser> C-W C-V? Are you sure you're in the right text editor?
14:25 < kanzure> http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/9809019v1.pdf
14:25 < kanzure> 14:22 <+nsh> imagine you have a elaboration of symmetries to more complex compounded geometrical entities which represent the states of being at the interfaces between subsystems with conservation laws
14:25 < kanzure> 14:22 <+nsh> and then you appreciate something like the generalized stokes theorem allows you to relate a n-dimensional integral or differential form with an n-1 dimensional one
14:25 < kanzure> 14:23 <+nsh> and this establishes the hierarchy of complexity
14:25 < kanzure> 14:23 <+nsh> that's asserted is that through a simple low-degree iteration of this process you can establish the circuit laws as the consequence of maxwell's equations in conjunction with boundary conditions
14:28 < kanzure> http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/102458/how-can-kvl-kcl-be-derived-from-maxwell-equations
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14:30 < xentrac> hi nmz787.  is there better laser-cutting design software out there at the moment than Inkscape or just writing PostScript by hand?
14:31 < xentrac> I'm thinking of things like parametric design, finite element analysis, and cost estimation
14:31 < andytoshi> justanotheruser: hehehe, i used vim for nearly a decade before i learned that ctrl did anything
14:33 < nsh> ( here is Roth's paper "The validity of Kron's method of tearing" -- http://www.pnas.org/content/41/8/599.full.pdf )
14:34 < justanotheruser> I must be a quicker learner, it only took me a day in emacs
14:35 < justanotheruser> /s
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14:36 < andytoshi> :P
14:36 < andytoshi> that made me laugh out loud
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14:58 < nmz787_i> xentrac: I think brlcad is the best, and possibly using the new python parametric constraint solver based on solvespace
14:58 < nmz787_i> xentrac: then dolfin and fenics for solvers
14:59 < nmz787_i> xentrac: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/CAD_to_FEniCS_example
15:00 < xentrac> oh really!  I had no idea BRL-CAD did planar fabrication at all, and I don't know *anything* about dolfin or FEniCS
15:00 < xentrac> thank you very much!
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15:45 < xentrac> nmz787_i: have you tried Antimony?  I don't have a good sense for whether it's a usable tool or not
15:46 < xentrac> I'm not having a lot of luck on figuring out how you could use BRL-CAD to do design for laser-cutter fabrication yet
15:50 < nmz787_i> build whatever you want in 3D, then export to 2D or gcode
15:50 < nmz787_i> there are BRLCAD g-code dumpers
15:50 < nmz787_i> or exporters
15:53 < nmz787_i> for some laser cutters a single layer/pass might be fine to cut through... but for my very weak laser (for cutting), it would take multiple passes at different Z depths, so in that case having a 3D model makes it possible to incorporate a slicer into the g-code output
15:53 < nmz787_i> maybe I misworded the end of that a bit, but I hope you get what I mean
15:55 < xentrac> yeah, I see what you mean
15:57 < xentrac> the kind of designs I'm thinking about are pretty different from what you're talking about, though
15:59 < delinquentme> I have this part: http://imgur.com/ATVOjHQ  where the array of 10 holes in the center are mounts for neodynium magnets.  In parallel to the face of this part aka " the base " floats a metal plate
16:00 < delinquentme> the entire assembly can be seen here: http://imgur.com/IB9xT5t
16:00 < delinquentme> I need to know ... the best polar-orientation of the magnets on the base
16:00 < delinquentme> to eddy current dampen the floating metal plate
16:01 < delinquentme> the circles are suspended by bungees within the triangular / hexagonal structure
16:01 < delinquentme> and the circular plates swing as pendulums -- thats what im trying to dampen
16:01 < delinquentme> plz advise .
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16:02 < xentrac> nmz787_i: I'm talking about designs like https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:56655 and https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3390, which are not going to come out of a "design using CSG and then run through a generic slicer" kind of workflow
16:04 < xentrac> you can design them in 2D using parametric tools like OpenSCAD of course
16:05 < xentrac> unassembled
16:05 < xentrac> but that's not really different from just writing raw PostScript
16:23 < xentrac> a really simple example is http://boxmaker.connectionlab.org/
16:32 < streety> delinquentme: I don't think I can advise, but I'm curious about what that device is for
16:42 < xentrac> nmz787_i: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9AYGN4Mes is something like what I'm thinking of, but it doesn't incorporate flexures or custom joint types, and it's proprietary
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16:50 < nmz787_i> xentrac: it looks like you'd need to write some sort of converter, that would take your desired part designed in some format (BRLCAD, markup, etc) and then based on heuristics/rules figure out what shapes you converted into the laser-cut bent-wood.
16:51 < nmz787_i> but if you could mentally do that conversion, to this format, then you can certainly enter this into CSG (which is not all BRLCAD supports) http://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/b8/73/7d/c0/61/Unbenannt_preview_featured.jpg
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16:57 < abetusk> 40W co2 lasers are now under $400 on ebay
17:12 < xentrac> sounds similar to here: http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-586434579-tubo-laser-co2-50w-maquina-corte-y-grabado-1000x50mm-_JM is a 50W CO₂ laser tube for AR$7000, which is currently US$470 or so
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17:39 < juri_> I have a 3W on my 3d printer.
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17:50 < streety> presumably it didn't cost $400 though
17:57 < kanzure> http://www.seti.org/post-detection.html
18:17 < juri_> after controller, cooling, 3d printed mountings...
18:28 < nmz787_i> an funny name for a hackerspace would be 'cargo cult labs'
18:29 < nmz787_i> or rather 'cargo culture labs', 'cargo cult science labs'
18:30 < nmz787_i> "we've got all the equipment, you bring the results"
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19:16 < fenn> "we go through the motions of doing science while not understanding the essence of science" hits too close to home, unfortunately
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19:54 < kanzure> wasn't essence some brand of perfume? like humors or homonculus.
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19:57 < streety> scale the controller and cooling up 10x and that $400 price tag starts to look like the tip of a rather large iceberg
20:06 < abetusk> I've never owned a laser cutter so I don't know what's involved, but the $400 laser cutter said it had cooling, fan and water pump.  A smootheboard will run you about $100 for 3-axis
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