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00:29 < kanzure> and https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/ :-/
00:32 < kanzure> i feel like marc fawzi is pointing and laughing at me from his moderated grave
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01:31 < maaku> kanzure: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709709
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07:18 < kanzure> aaaaaa
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08:11 < JayDugger> That looks like a thankless job.
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09:43 < cluckj> hah
09:43 < cluckj> I don't see why it matters so much who satoshi is
09:43 < cluckj> well...I do, but it doesn't matter at all who satoshi is
09:44 < chris_99> ...or maybe it does (so then we can steal all his bitcoins ;)
09:46 < cluckj> lol
09:48 < kanzure> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:48 < kanzure> i did *not* tell that guy that gwern was the source for the leaks. i did not say that, and i reject the notion that i would know.
09:48 < kanzure> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/12/10/the-search-for-the-godfather-of-bitcoin-does-not-end-with-craig-wright/
09:50 < kanzure> shit what the fuck
09:50 < justanotheruser> oh man, you're right in the middle of it now
09:50 < kanzure> fuck this
09:51 < justanotheruser> interesting that gwern has ops in your private messages
09:51 < kanzure> it was #lw-bitcoin
09:52 < justanotheruser> what does that even mean
09:52 < justanotheruser> gwern is going to get doxxed and left for dead
09:52 < justanotheruser> are there people that mad at him?
09:53 < kanzure> nobody wants to be friends with someone so careless and dangerous
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10:01 < kanzure> i have no evidence that gwern "called in" a raid, although i do suspect that publishing in public an accusation is likely to trigger a raid or swatting at some level
10:01 < kanzure> i also never claimed to the journalist that i had any of that evidence
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10:01 < kanzure> also, i never claimed to know gwern's source for the leaks, or whether gwern was the source of the leaks. i have no clue, i have no interest in that detail. i don't know why that statement is written as fact.
10:02 < kanzure> "ironic, given the subject matter of the article" - sbp
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10:26 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/iang_fc
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10:28 < fenn> what does that even mean
10:31 < kanzure> ironic to call out others getting details wrong while getting details wrong? how is that unclear.
10:33 < fenn> er, i mean the broken english email "from" ian to ian
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10:37 < Aurelius_Work> News media is trash, they won't report on it at 11
10:38 < fenn> oh it's sort of explained in the 7 part tweet
10:39 < fenn> "for some time, CW has been victim of an extortion plot for money and other outrageous things. Also persistent hacking events. ...  5 “journalists” 2 mags and ATO fell for extortionist/hacker doxing, raced each other to disgrace."
10:46 < fenn> everyone on the blocktrain
10:46 < fenn> Vinay Gupta says "The first draft of the first page of my magnum opus on (digital) identity and blockchains." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVoFxEhWwAARr2N.png
10:49 < kanzure> i'm not convinced he should be working on that. he should just shitcan the concept of identity entirely and move on to more productive things.
10:49 < fenn> agreed
10:51 < kanzure> fake satoshi from last night is pming me on irc at the moment.
10:51 < kanzure> i hate everyone. really, i just want this planet to be blown up. is that too much to ask?
10:51 < fenn> what's fake satoshi's IP
10:52 < kanzure> time warner cable wisconsin 104.231.205.87
10:56 < fenn> same town autumn radtke was from?
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11:04 < fenn> must be something in the water
11:04 < kanzure> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html
11:05 < kanzure> i think vistomail /was/ hacked at some point, although i don't remember where the evidence ofr that has gone
11:05 < fenn> gmx was the one that was hacked
11:05 < kanzure> oh thank you
11:11 < fenn> yesterday gwern said "The documents were leaked to me, not the other way around. And judging by the parallel Gizmodo investigation, there's even multiple leakers running around stepping on each others' toes."
11:11 < kanzure> right.. the way it was phrased on thenextweb made it sound like gwern was the leak.
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11:11 < kanzure> although, the author of the article emailed me that precisely same quote to argue against my disclaim
11:11 < Stskeeps> kanzure: idly wondering why http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html doesn't show up in http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December.txt.gz
11:12 < kanzure> interesting question.
11:12 < fenn> it's probably a daily cron job
11:13 < Stskeeps> not impossible
11:13 < kanzure> should be whatever mailman default is
11:13 < kanzure> check whether other emails after that one are included
11:14 < Stskeeps> yeah, it seems to stop at "luke durback"'s mail, some mails before
11:14 < Stskeeps> sounds like a cronjob indeed
11:15 < kanzure> headers are wrong, fwiw
11:15 < Stskeeps> as in, doesn't show same as in http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html ?
11:16 < kanzure> as in spf failure
11:16 < kanzure> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010329.html
11:16 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3w5e7k/interesting_change_in_devs_detective_attitude/cxtob1h
11:16 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu6uim?context=3
11:16 < kanzure> last link is most relevant to this question
11:16 < Stskeeps> nod, spoofed
11:17 < kanzure> but given current standards of "journalistic excellence" perhaps the spoofery will be sufficient to convince them -_-
11:19 < kanzure> Stskeeps: see also my follow-up here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709310 and https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/
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11:29 < kanzure> 11:28 <+sbp> kanzure: ah, simple! thanks!
11:29 < kanzure> 11:29 -!- sbp changed the topic of #swhack to: Swhack! We are all Satoshi (except for YOU)
11:29 < nmz787_i> so how's the search for that person going?
11:30 < nmz787_i> did that aussie pay his taxes yet?
11:30 < kanzure> you leave jack burton alone
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11:32 < chris_99> nmz787_i, i'm working on a fun problem, triangulation of ws2812b LEDs, so i can then paint my christmas tree based on a model on my computer ;)
11:32 < nmz787_i> chris_99: using a camera ?
11:32 < kanzure> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyYyXWeZxSU
11:33 < chris_99> yeah a single camera
11:33 < nmz787_i> hmm
11:33 < nmz787_i> neat
11:33 < chris_99> going to get the leds to pulse out an ID
11:33 < kanzure> or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNxQIY-CoeQ
11:34 < nmz787_i> chris_99: did you see the scrolling LED character display I worked on at the end of October? I used the same LEDs as part of a strip and matrix... I had the strip pulsing with a different color for each audio frequency bin of incoming music... and the scrolling character display changed to a graphic equalizer of the data in between messages
11:35 < chris_99> i'm not sure, linky?
11:35 < nmz787_i> grrr, youtube has like 3 accounts for me and I can never remember where my videos get dumped. one sec
11:36 < chris_99> heh
11:36 < nmz787_i> chris_99: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGDeKLid8A
11:36 < chris_99> cool :)
11:37 < chris_99> i got mine working on the Pi zero before they broke, so i ordered some ws2812b rather than ws2811
11:37 < nmz787_i> yeah it was a fun weekend project
11:37 < nmz787_i> before it broke?
11:37 < nmz787_i> you killed it?
11:38 < chris_99> yeah the leds just stopped working, i don't think i did anything wrong to it though heh, i used 5V logic, 5V power
11:38 < nmz787_i> hmm, i got an RPi Zero (that's the one that is supposed to be $5 right?)
11:38 < nmz787_i> but haven't used it yet.
11:38 < chris_99> yup
11:39 < chris_99> it's probably overkill for driving the leds tbh i guess
11:39 < chris_99> but it'll mean i can easily ssh and change stuff
11:40 < nmz787_i> ah, yeah I used an arduino clone
11:40 < nmz787_i> used the neopixel library, but wrote the character display code myself
11:41 < maaku> kanzure: moderation is a thankless job
11:42 < kanzure> maaku: i'm worried that attempts at heavier moderation will be perceived as a control/authority thing. but really i just want high signal.
11:42 < kanzure> see https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3w5e7k/interesting_change_in_devs_detective_attitude/cxtrcp0
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11:52 < fenn> a time traveller from the future who has managed to work out where (which ip) the whitepaper was published from comes back to 2008 to meet Satoshi, and when on getting there he realises that Satoshi is nowhere to be found & is faced with the possibility of a world without Bitcoin decides to publish the whitepaper himself thereby becoming Satoshi Nakamoto.
11:53 < fenn> oops should have quoted that
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11:54 < chris_99> nmz787_i, https://github.com/jgarff/rpi_ws281x
11:58 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I thought those ws chips had a built in serial decoder and PWM? I thought that you just fed them a serial bitstream with color values..
11:59 < chris_99> nah, it's that none return to zero modulation thing
12:05 < nmz787_i> hmm, the neopixels are serial data driven then...
12:05 < chris_99> really?
12:06 < nmz787_i> hmm, they use the WS2812B 
12:06 < chris_99> yeah
12:06 < chris_99> they just rebrand them
12:06 < chris_99> and up the price
12:06 < nmz787_i> wait, so adafruit and the ws company say they're serial devices
12:06 < nmz787_i> but that link you sent is using the PWM driver?
12:07 < chris_99> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1m-4m-5m-WS2812B-Smart-led-pixel-strip-Black-White-PCB-30-60-144-leds-m/2036819167.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_10 is what i got, they're not serial devices afaik
12:07 < chris_99> where does ws say they're serial?
12:08 < chris_99> wait maybe i'm explaining poorly, you have to PWM to generate the NRZ signal
12:08 < chris_99> or you could bit bang it potentially i guess
12:09 < nmz787_i> oh, I was just going off the fact that they only have 4 pins called VDD, VSS, DIN, DOUT
12:09 < nmz787_i> https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/WS2812B.pdf
12:10 < chris_99> you have to output different times for a low to a high
12:10 < chris_99> so it's not like normal serial
12:10 < nmz787_i> "It internal include intelligent digital port data latch and signal"
12:10 < nmz787_i> yeah I guess I meant digital data stream...
12:10 < nmz787_i> as opposed to PWMing an LED directly
12:11 < chris_99> mmm
12:11 < chris_99> yeah they're sort of like a shift register
12:11 < xentrac> so I laser cut a thing in MDF and I'm impressed with the results
12:12 < nmz787_i> xentrac: just don't get it wet!
12:12 < xentrac> what was the name of that computational technique where you define the constraints a casting needs to fulfill (support load X in direction Y at point Z, etc.) and a feasible but crude version, and then optimize it?
12:12 < xentrac> yeah, I'm going to try wetting some of the pieces now to see what happens
12:12 < nmz787_i> I always bad-mouth MDF... since it turns to garbage it it gets wet
12:12 < nmz787_i> if it gets wet*
12:13 < chris_99> like gremlins
12:13 < nmz787_i> haha
12:17 < xentrac> it's not that abrasion-resistant either
12:17 < xentrac> I was thinking I could maybe varnish it to make it somewhat water-resistant
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12:19 < kanzure> if we need someone with mad varnish skillz let me know. heh.
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12:19 < nmz787_i> kanzure: your mom?
12:19 < kanzure> yeah
12:19 < nmz787_i> heh, I just varnished a workbench a few nights ago and need to sand and apply a second coat soon
12:20 < nmz787_i> got some plastic-fiber cloths from the dollar-store yesterday... since the 'painters cloths' i had were cotton and not lint-free
12:20 < nmz787_i> not sure the plastic fiber cloths I got are going to be completely lint-free, but I hope they're moreso
12:21 < xentrac> kanzure: this constraint optimizing mechanical support thing is a thing you told me about a few months ago
12:21 < xentrac> and I was super excited to learn about it but now I can't find it because I can't remember the name
12:22 < kanzure> gce?
12:22 < kanzure> salome constraint solver stuff?
12:22 < kanzure> solvespace?
12:23 < kanzure> 14:58 < nmz787_i> xentrac: I think brlcad is the best, and possibly using the new python parametric constraint solver based on solvespace
12:23 < kanzure> 14:58 < nmz787_i> xentrac: then dolfin and fenics for solvers
12:23 < kanzure> 14:59 < nmz787_i> xentrac: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/CAD_to_FEniCS_example
12:23 < kanzure> this seems more likely to be the thing you were thinking of
12:24 < nmz787_i> but that doesn't include mechanics by default... you'd need to setup the solvers I guess
12:24 < nmz787_i> if that hasn't already been done by someone else in the dolfin/fenics community
12:25 < nmz787_i> (i looked for a 3D electromagnetics simulator for fenics recently but didn't find one... was searching using 'signal integrity' though, so maybe I can find better/other search terms)
12:27 < nmz787_i> hmm, using 'electromagnetics' helped searching: http://fenicsproject.org/qa/5796/electromagnetic-waveguide-boundary-condition    http://fenicsproject.org/qa/2694/electromagnetic-waveguide-example-from-the-fenics-book       http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/MAP.2012.6309184
12:27 < nmz787_i> .title http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/MAP.2012.6309184
12:27 < yoleaux> IEEE Xplore Abstract - Using the FEniCS Package for FEM Solutions in Electromagnetics
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12:28 < xentrac> I just learned about solvespace recently and it looks super awesome
12:29 < xentrac> but no, I wasn't talking about a piece of software, but about a general approach to mechanical design
12:29 < kanzure> describe visual appearance of thing i showed you?
12:30 < kanzure> i have tags for every conversation you and i have, so if you can remember the date, i can find the conversation
12:30 < xentrac> there was like a mounting bracket, maybe in a PDF or something
12:30 < kanzure> youtube video?
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12:32 < xentrac> and then there was an optimized version of that mounting bracket made out of a lot less steel
12:33 < xentrac> I think it was a PDF paper
12:33 < fenn> topological optimization using level set methods
12:33 < xentrac> YES
12:33 < xentrac> thank you fenn
12:33 < fenn> maybe this? http://ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~ernesto/SPR/Thomas-FinalReport.pdf
12:33 < xentrac> topology optimization was the term I was trying to remember
12:35 < chris_99> i'm just looking at http://www.sciencegateway.org/protocols/cellbio/yeast/ygs.htm is there any info on how long it'd last at lower temps, like -20C?
12:36 < fenn> "Topology optimization is distinct from shape optimization since typically shape optimization methods work in a subset of allowable shapes which have fixed topological properties, such as having a fixed number of holes in them. Therefore topology optimization is used to generate concepts and shape optimization is used to fine-tune a chosen design topology.
12:36 < xentrac> kanzure: what's gce?
12:37 < xentrac> so fenics is a thing you could use to implement topology optimization, for example
12:37 < kanzure> gce is gnu constraint solver thingy
12:37 < xentrac> by figuring out how good or bad a particular solution is
12:37 < kanzure> gecode
12:37 < kanzure> http://www.gecode.org/
12:37 < xentrac> oh interesting
12:37 < xentrac> thanks!
12:38 < kanzure> er, not gnu. apparently.
12:38 < xentrac> I didn't even know about the minizinc challenge
12:38 < kanzure> how did fenn pull that rabbit out of his hat
12:39 < kanzure> wtf
12:39 < fenn> i thought it was really cool so i remembered it
12:39 < kanzure> that's not fair
12:39 < xentrac> I thought it was really cool too, but apparently not as cool as fenn did
12:39 < xentrac> heh
12:40 < xentrac> it's interesting that "SICStus Prolog" got bronze in the MiniZinc Challenge last year; I wouldn't have expected it to be eligible since Prolog isn't Zinc
12:40 < xentrac> or MiniZinc
12:41 < xentrac> are there any reasonably hardenable metals you can reasonably electrodeposit?  electrodepositing iron (which you can later case-harden) is feasible but apparently a huge pain in the ass, and I'm pretty sure you can't turn copper into beryllium copper without remelting it
12:42 < xentrac> I mean the problem with electrodeposition is that you can't directly electrodeposit alloys
12:42 < fenn> hardenable metals are (always?) alloys
12:42 < xentrac> iron isn't an alloy
12:43 < xentrac> you can case-harden it
12:43 < fenn> electrodeposition doesn't deposit alloys
12:43 < xentrac> you just can't heat-treat it
12:43 < fenn> by case-hardening it you are doping the metal with carbon
12:43 < xentrac> exactly
12:43 < xentrac> which means you can cut a skeleton out of acrylic, paint it with graphite, electrodeposit iron, and then harden it to get a complicated structure of iron tubes with reasonably tight tolerances
12:44 < fenn> i guess if you plate beryllium onto your copper and heat it for a long time it will diffuse into the copper
12:44 < xentrac> but electrodepositing iron is apparently a huge pain
12:44 < xentrac> maybe!  I'd be kind of scared about plating things in beryllium too though
12:44 < fenn> you probably want to use electroless nickel deposition for your first layer, not graphite
12:44 < xentrac> I mean not that it is impossible but more that it's likely to kill you if you do it wrong
12:45 < xentrac> you're surely correct that that would give you better tolerances
12:45 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_microlattice
12:45 < fenn> i think tallakahath worked in this lab
12:46 < xentrac> interesting, they hardened their nickel with phosphorus?  how random
12:46 < fenn> they also managed to deposit various ceramics like Al2O3onto their micro-lattice structures
12:47 < kanzure> she says yes
12:47 < xentrac> or was that just an impurity form the electroless deposition process?
12:47 < fenn> no it was intentional, alumina is very strong and the combination means you have a reasonably stiff but also very low density material
12:48 < kanzure> "I didn't work on that project, tho"
12:48 < kanzure> " http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn402710j is what I was working on. So there's not a lot I can intelligently say about the nanolattices, sorry"
12:48 < kanzure> .title
12:48 < yoleaux> An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
12:48 < xentrac> no, I mean the phosphorus
12:48 < xentrac> not the alumina
12:48 < kanzure> "Local Relative Density Modulates Failure and Strength in Vertically Aligned Carbon Nanotubes"
12:48 < xentrac> that's also pretty interesting
12:50 < fenn> http://www.jrgreer.caltech.edu/home.php "The key focus of the Greer group is on creating and studying advanced materials that utilize combination of 3-dimensional hierarchical architectures and nanoscale material size effects"
12:50 < xentrac> I should probably mention the giant-stiffness composite I saw the other day
12:51 < xentrac> you guys might be interested
12:51 < xentrac> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.454.7583&rep=rep1&type=pdf Jaglinski, Kochmann, Stone, and Lakes 2007. A giant-#stiffness metamaterial of 10% barium titanate particles dispersed in a tin matrix with a Young's modulus of several GPa, greater than that of diamond at 1GPa, and more than an order of magnitude greater than that of the components (100 and 50 MPa); but only within a critical temperature range of about 58–5
12:51 < xentrac> Kochmann lab at Caltech
12:51 < eudoxia> kanzure: i installed NanoEngineer on a chroot, works great, but for some reason the simulator's missing, so i can't do energy minimization
12:52 < fenn> isn't GPa modulus normal?
12:52 < xentrac> apparently diamond has a 1GPa Young's modulus?
12:53 < xentrac> hmm, no
12:53 < xentrac> maybe my numbers are off by three orders of magnitude?
12:53 < xentrac> they did claim explicitly in the paper that it was stiffer than diamond
12:54 < xentrac> diamond is about 1 TPa
12:54 < xentrac> and it wouldn't be surprising if the components were 100 and 50 GPa, which would be normal numbers for metals
12:55 < fenn> i'm not sure where it got messed up, in the article itself it says the components materials are 100 and 50 GPa
12:56 < fenn> youngs modulus numbers are higher than tensile strength numbers so it can be confusing
12:56 < xentrac> (and barium titanate is a ceramic, not a metal)
12:57 < xentrac> thanks for the correction!
12:58 < fenn> i guess i should retire before i make an embarrassing mistake
12:58 < xentrac> no, I need the opportunity to retur nthe favor
12:58 < xentrac> so apparently giant-stiffness metamaterials are feasible.  I think they wouldn't have to depend on exotic ceramics, either
12:59 < xentrac> because negative-stiffness structures like buckling beams are not only feasible to build but commonplace
12:59 < xentrac> in some places they are called "antisprings"
13:00 < xentrac> maybe you could even construct one that wouldn't be so sensitive to the temperature
13:01 < fenn> auxetic foams are another interesting topic in this general area
13:02 < xentrac> yes, those are cool
13:03 < kanzure> hmm nanoengineer simulator is missing
13:03 < kanzure> uh.. hm.
13:03 < kanzure> https://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev
13:03 < nmz787_i> /me who stole the simulator from the cookie jar?
13:04 < fenn> who let the nano dogs out
13:04 < nmz787_i> haha
13:04 < nmz787_i> totally unexpected
13:04 < fenn> it's past my bedtime
13:05 < kanzure> nanodynamics was the thing?
13:05 < kanzure> shit did i really miss something
13:05 < kanzure> xentrac: did you look at http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/
13:05 < kanzure> like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/snapshots/
13:06 < kanzure> also there's the "sim/" folder in the git repo.
13:06 < xentrac> nieuw
13:06 < fenn> i thought gromacs was the simulator
13:07 < xentrac> is this for designing diamondoid structures?
13:07 < fenn> was there a custom simulator only found in nanoengineer?
13:07 < xentrac> there is a .mov
13:07 < xentrac> heh, jbash is among the funders
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13:11 < eudoxia> kanzure: i tried nanodynamics and GROMACS
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13:15 < xentrac> fenn: auxetic materials were the first metamaterials I heard about (other than the still-hypothetical machine-phase stuff)
13:15 < xentrac> but I think giant-stiffness materials are potentially much more interesting because of the importance of stiffness in producing precision anything
13:16 < fenn> yeah stiffness is important but damping is even more so
13:16 < fenn> i haven't really understood how the giant-stiffness materials works yet
13:17 < xentrac> the idea is that when the stress increases, the positive-stiffness component contracts, while the negative-stiffness component expands, and these cancel out as nearly as you can make it
13:18 < xentrac> antisprings are already in widespread use for vibration damping in exactly the same way, but in parallel instead of series
13:18 < xentrac> so instead of trying to approximate infinite stiffness you are trying to approximate zero stiffness
13:18 < xentrac> see for example
13:18 < xentrac> http://www.gravity.uwa.edu.au/publication/sdarticle.pdf 2004 #pdf #paper about #antisprings for seismic isolation.  Clarifies that YES, an antispring has a negative #stiffness coefficient.  In this case they’re combining antisprings with regular springs to cancel out their stiffness and get near-zero restoring force for small displacements.  They managed to get a resonant frequency of 0.3 Hz with #maraging steel #springs (to reduce creep), 
13:18 < xentrac> and
13:18 < xentrac> http://10m-prototype.aei.uni-hannover.de/subsystems/isolation/isolation-tables 300nm displacements at 10Hz can be measured on their hall floor during the daytime due to human activity in the city, so they built this thing with “geometrical #antisprings”, described as “a tunable spring made by a crown of curved cantilever blades compressed each against the other” (negative #stiffness coefficient constructs?) to isolate their gravity-wa
13:25 < fenn> my mental model for a negative stiffness spring is the clicky top of a tamper-evident jar,
13:26 < xentrac> yes
13:26 < xentrac> exactly
13:26 < fenn> i don't get how the isolation table works, what is this "magic wand" thing
13:29 < xentrac> I don't understand that particular "crown of curved cantilever blades" thing either
13:29 < fenn> the blades are just leaf springs and the taper is to make them variable rate springs
13:29 < xentrac> yes
13:29 < xentrac> some others are more straightforward, using Euler buckled-column springs
13:30 < fenn> do you have a picture of an euler buckled column spring?
13:30 < xentrac> the part I don't understand is how a crown of prestressed variable-rate springs gives you an antispring
13:30 < xentrac> there are some in here I think: http://www.gravity.uwa.edu.au/amaldi/papers/Winterflood.pdf 2001 #pdf #paper about Euler (buckled-column) springs for seismic isolation, also explaining #antisprings on p.3.
13:31 < xentrac> but I don't remember for sure
13:32 < xentrac> oh, another thing I had forgot to mention in here is that UHMWPE turns out to be even more biocompatible than Kevlar
13:32 < fenn> it's pretty inert
13:32 < xentrac> yeah
13:32 < xentrac> so you'd expect that
13:33 < xentrac> so now I want implants
13:33 < fenn> are you talking about bullet proofing?
13:34 < fenn> the sheets would end up being pretty bulky because polyethylene is low density
13:34 < xentrac> kind of, although I'm more worried about knives in practice
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13:35 < fenn> non newtonian fluids seem more practical because they can flow to accomodate normal movement
13:35 < fenn> the anti-needle gloves were made of silica microspheres and polyethylene glycol embedded in kevlar
13:36 < xentrac> I didn't even know anti-needle gloves existed
13:36 < fenn> plain kevlar fiber is not very effective against knives
13:36 < xentrac> I don't know, kevlar gloves are pretty effective to keep you from accidentally cutting yourself
13:37 < xentrac> but maybe I could use UHMWPE scales rather than pure fibers
13:39 < xentrac> tomorrow I go back to Isla Maciel
13:39 < xentrac> last week a friend of mine there had her son murdered on the street corner near her house
13:40 < xentrac> it's her second son lost to murder
13:40 < xentrac> I mean, it's not her second son, but of her sons, it's the second one who's been murdered
13:40 < fenn> why would you go to a place like that?
13:40 < xentrac> well, now she knows how to read
13:41 < xentrac> six months ago she didn't
13:41 < xentrac> she's 50 IIRC
13:42 < xentrac> I think you have to understand what's happening in places like that to understand what's happening in the world, and there's also a certain kind of leverage available there that you can't get elsewhere
13:44 < fenn> right, well, don't get murdered okay
13:46 < xentrac> I'll do my best
13:47 < xentrac> supposedly the kid had stolen a gun from another kid he would do robberies with or something
13:47 < xentrac> although who knows if he'd actually stolen it
13:49 < FourFire> > <kanzure> i hate everyone. really, i just want this planet to be blown up. is that too much to ask?
13:49 < FourFire> sometimes I feel the same way...
13:49 < eudoxia> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Maciel "There are initiatives to promote tourism as a means of economic development"
13:49 < FourFire> But hey, none of the present really matytersthat much :D
13:53 < xentrac> yeah, apparently a French tourist couple got lost there last year
13:54 < xentrac> they got robbed
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13:58 < fenn> i think the "magic wand" is an eddy current damper
14:00 < fenn> and the crown of blades is like those rubber "popper" toys that were popular in the 90s
14:01 < xentrac> that all makes sense
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14:01 < xentrac> I think they also do some active damping
14:03 < fenn> or maybe they are just counterbalances
14:06 < fenn> so if you manage to approximate a zero-stiffness spring, how does that get turned into "giant stiffness"
14:06 < xentrac> you get zero stiffness by putting a spring in parallel with an equal and opposite antispring
14:06 < xentrac> you get giant stiffness by putting them in series
14:07 < fenn> hmm i'll have to think about that
14:07 < xentrac> just naively putting them in series isn't enough because the system is unstable: once you drive it into the region where the antispring is an antispring, it will take up all the slack
14:08 < xentrac> but apparently the Kochmann lab was able to stabilize their negative-stiffness barium titanate crystals just by dispersing them in a tin matrix
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14:49 < xentrac> this shear thickening armor thing seems potentially promising but (a) I'm not sure how well it will work in practice and (b) it seems unlikely to be as biocompatible as UHMWPE
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14:55 < xentrac> so I probably can't implant it
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16:22 < streety> xentrac: [21:42:36] I think you have to understand what's happening in places like that to understand what's happening in the world, and there's also a certain kind of leverage available there that you can't get elsewhere <- can you expand on this? Specifically the leverage you mention
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16:48 < xentrac> some of the people in Isla Maciel have problems that are really hard to solve, like cancer, diabetes, or their kids having been shot to death by the cops
16:48 < xentrac> others have problems that are really hard for them to solve, but because I have a different background, they aren't always hard for me to solve
16:50 < xentrac> similarly, sometimes I have problems that are really hard for me to solve, having to do with motivation and focus and whatnot, and sometimes they can help me with those
16:51 < xentrac> if I had the problem of not being able to find crack, other people there could probably help me with that, but fortunately I'm not addicted to anything except caffeine
16:51 < kanzure> does your motivation respond to peer pressure? because i would be willing to yell at you a lot.
16:51 < xentrac> I'll keep that offer in mind :)
16:52 < kanzure> beats a bur in the eye.
16:52 < kanzure> *burr
16:52 < xentrac> hmm, I just set myself on fire
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16:52 < kanzure> most people don't recommend doing that
16:53 < xentrac> they had deprived childhoods
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16:54 < xentrac> there are probably better ways to do it than with alcohol gel, but alcohol gel is pretty good
16:55 < xentrac> this brand is somewhat suboptimal as a Sterno replacement though
16:55 < xentrac> okay.  so now I have a bunch of stuff about topological optimization for this laser-cut design stuff
16:55 < xentrac> this is going to be fun :)
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18:26 < streety> thanks, makes sense
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19:27 < wrldpc1> Buddy of mine had a bunch of suspicious emails from someone asking him to remove a code example he had on his site so the suspect could use the code to pass his final.  Presumably the teacher would do a web search to reveal the plagiarism and he wanted to prevent that.  My friend declined and now his server has been hacked.  What recourse is there?  Anyway to find out the origin of the attack?
19:32 < _andares> Uh logs?
19:32 < _andares> Also just have your buddy search the Internet for the code sample
19:33 < _andares> The guy might have been stupid enough to put it on github for the teacher
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20:21 < bjonnh> put a comment on the code repository
20:21 < bjonnh> for the teacher
20:21 < bjonnh> and push that code on github and a lot of other websites
20:53 < kanzure> ""Dear reader: attached on the USB stick is a signed txn moving the first 50 spendable coinbase coins from one of my addresses to another. This should be sufficient proof of identify. Additionally, below is the signature of this message using the same secp256k1 key. To anyone who can reanimate me or transfer my consciousness intact into a computer, I will pay you the sum of 1 million bitcoins via a key that I have memorized. That is ...
20:53 < kanzure> ... the only part of this contract that you need to trust. Consider this an open challenge to develop the necessary technology to better mankind. Yours, Hal Finney" --
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21:00 < Taek> Hal Finney is satoshi? Brb calling up Time magazine
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22:48 < _andares> It would be much easier though to just extract the memory than to revive the whole brain though, probably
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23:16 < JayDugger> Good morning.
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