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06:28 -!- Quashie_ [~boingredd@ool-18bccfe5.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htbcuahgowusclpv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:09 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18 < kanzure> "An approach to generating human organs is to grow them inside pigs or sheep" http://www.technologyreview.com/news/545106/human-animal-chimeras-are-gestating-on-us-research-farms/ 07:18 < kanzure> "Last September, in a reversal of earlier policy, the National Institutes of Health announced it would not support studies involving such “human-animal chimeras” until it had reviewed the scientific and social implications more closely. The agency, in a statement, said it was worried about the chance that animals’ “cognitive state” could be altered if they ended up with human brain cells." 07:18 < kanzure> wha? 07:20 < kanzure> "researchers in 2014 decided to begin impregnating farm animals with human-animal embryos, says Pablo Ross, a veterinarian and developmental biologist at the University of California, Davis, where some of the animals are being housed. Ross says at Davis he has transferred about six sets of pig-human embryos into sows in collaboration with the Salk Institute and established another eight or 10 pregnancies of sheep-human embryos with ... 07:20 < kanzure> ... Nakauchi. Another three dozen pig transfers have taken place outside the U.S., he says." 07:21 < kanzure> "Lift NIH restrictions on chimera research" http://www.sciencemag.org/content/350/6261/640.1 (closed access) 07:26 < rhaps0dy> :| 07:27 < rhaps0dy> "the animal's cognitive state could be altered if they ended up with human brain cells" 07:27 < rhaps0dy> bullshit/10 07:37 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:40 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:52 < Diablo-D3> [10:11:02] probably the eMMC is just a pcie card 07:53 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|away 07:53 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: MMC is the base standard for SD cards 07:53 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: literally, in there, theres an SD card 07:54 < Diablo-D3> the problem is, its hard to find SD cards that also speak MMC correctly at the speeds you want 07:54 < Diablo-D3> or have the right pin-out 07:56 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: they also don't even have to be slow or small 07:57 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: though most boards now just perm attach the card, there isn't even a socket 07:57 < Diablo-D3> so you can't replace them 08:03 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: what you're probably going to see, though, is m.2 eventually adopted for these devices 08:11 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfwlovzqixvbcihr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@erv10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:17 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:28 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@erv10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:49 < maaku> I have an HP stream 11 which is similar 08:50 < maaku> Works quite well actually as a netbook 08:52 < maaku> Works well under Linux except the WiFi card which has shit drivers 08:57 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 < maaku> Performance of emmc is the same as an SD card, as expected 09:08 < maaku> But for a good quality card like the HP stream has, that's still 50MB/s, like a low end ssd. Better than spinning metal. 09:14 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- jaboja64 [~jaboja@erv206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@erv10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@195.114.251.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:42 -!- poppingtonic [~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/poppingtonic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:46 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:55 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < xentrac> Diablo-D3: what's m.2? I don't know how to google it 09:59 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00 -!- jaboja64 [~jaboja@erv206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00 < xentrac> maaku: my netbook has a single-core 32-bit 1.6GHz Atom, so the quad-core 1.3GHz would be a significant improvement 10:02 < xentrac> also 1024×600 and probably a worse GPU 10:05 -!- jenelizabeth_ [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: sleeeep] 10:06 -!- jenelizabeth [~jenelizab@cpc76802-brmb10-2-0-cust399.1-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- jaboja64 [~jaboja@erv206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:11 < pompolic> eee pc? 10:13 < chris_99> xentrac, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/understanding-m-2-the-interface-that-will-speed-up-your-next-ssd/ 10:16 < xentrac> pompolic: talking about 03:08 < nmz787_i> friggin quad-core Intel Atom laptop for $169 (only 2GB RAM and 1355x768 11" display, with 32GB eMMC) but dang... friggin economies of scale 10:17 < xentrac> 03:10 < nmz787_i> this is the link i have http://www.frys.com/product/8673430?site=72premail011116 10:17 < xentrac> chris_99: thank yoU! 10:17 < chris_99> one of my friends just bought a pci-e ssd which supports it apparently 10:21 < maaku> xentrac: bigger improvement is out of order execution 10:21 < maaku> what is in the hp stream is not an atom -- it's a 64-bit out of order CPU 10:23 < maaku> xentrac: http://www.frys.com/product/8320217?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG 10:24 < maaku> (again, make sure the wifi on linux won't be an issue. works fine in windows..) 10:29 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 < Diablo-D3> [12:59:10] Diablo-D3: what's m.2? I don't know how to google it 10:40 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 10:40 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: socket that has pci-e x4, usb 3.0, and sata 6g on the same connector 10:41 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: some mobos only support pci-e x4 and don't wire the others 10:41 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: well, x2 or x4 10:41 < Diablo-D3> (wasting m.2 on just sata or x2 is a fucking waste, m.2 ssds of the same series as their 2.5" have a price penalty) 10:42 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: there are standardized widths and lengths, the smallest m.2 size would go great in 7" tablets 10:43 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: and the new iphones with the pci-e ssds for flash basically "do this" except its just merged right into the mainboard and theres no connectors (because none of that shit would ever fucking fit) 10:43 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: pci-e 3.0 x4 m.2 ssds on boards that support it can peak at like 2GB/sec (or 4x sata 6g) 10:45 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:02 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:17 < xentrac> maaku: thank you! 11:17 < xentrac> Diablo-D3: thank yoU! 11:22 -!- atomical [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:22 < Diablo-D3> and btw, e that celeron 11:22 < Diablo-D3> [01:23:26] xentrac: http://www.frys.com/product/8320217?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG 11:22 < Diablo-D3> if thats what it is 11:23 < Diablo-D3> its a baytrail-m, a member of the silvermont family 11:24 < Diablo-D3> 22nm, ivy bridge-era gpu, an atomfied haswell cpu core 11:25 < Diablo-D3> [01:21:45] what is in the hp stream is not an atom -- it's a 64-bit out of order CPU 11:25 < Diablo-D3> so to properly answer that 11:25 < Diablo-D3> you have to define what an atom is 11:25 < Diablo-D3> if you mean the old almost-a-486 p6-esque atoms that were pure shit _only_, its not an atom 11:25 < Diablo-D3> if you define atom as anything that intel has called an atom, it "is" 11:26 < Diablo-D3> celeron has been split into two families, the bigger atoms, and the sub-i3 shit 11:26 < Diablo-D3> silvermont (baytrail, avoton, rangeley) are what I call "new atoms" 11:27 < nmz787_i> Diablo-D3: my point was that there probably isn't something that says or looks like an "SD Card" inside the laptop... either there is one or two chips, controller and memory (or the controller is embedded in this package)... and these are either soldered onto the motherboard or they're on a mini-pcie card that can be popped off and replaced with some other card 11:28 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: yeah, theres probably no actual card in there, its just electronically there 11:28 < Diablo-D3> nmz787: depends on the device, a lot of really cheap $50-100 ultra-generic 7" tablets strangely _do_ have the card in there 11:28 < Diablo-D3> Im not sure why 11:28 < Diablo-D3> you wont know until you crack it open 11:28 < nmz787_i> you gotta think about where this laptop is coming from, how its supply chain could possibly function (either downscaling on number of connectors, or using piles of now-cheap stock of mini-pcie connectors and some eMMC boards, etc) 11:29 < nmz787_i> same reason I can surmise for how we get 64GB USB2.0 thumb drives for like $10-15 lately 11:29 < Diablo-D3> yeah 11:29 < Diablo-D3> a lot of them are rather scary inside 11:29 < Diablo-D3> very low grade mmc or sd cards plugged into an adapter 11:30 < Diablo-D3> and just hot glued together 11:30 < nmz787_i> sure memory is getting cheaper... but otherwise there's just some pile of 2.0 controllers that people are all moving away from, so the suppliers are selling them cheap 11:30 < nmz787_i> haha 11:30 < Diablo-D3> Im not even kidding, I have seen this shit 11:30 < nmz787_i> well whatever works, at least hot glue is user-replaceable 11:30 < Diablo-D3> you get maybe a couple writes out of it before the entire thing starts failing 11:31 < nmz787_i> if they're not selling it as shock proof or milspec, or even childproof, then that seems OK 11:31 < Diablo-D3> yeah 11:31 < nmz787_i> ah, well that's no good 11:31 < Diablo-D3> but the problem is, its 64GB 11:31 < Diablo-D3> can you imagine writing 64GB at usb 2.0 speeds? 11:31 < Diablo-D3> it'd take you all day 11:32 < Diablo-D3> but yeah, back to the low end device shit 11:32 < Diablo-D3> Im all for $100 7" tablets that run full scale windows 11:32 < Diablo-D3> the problem is they dont have enough ram, and their disk io is shit 11:32 < Diablo-D3> most of them only have 1GB of ram and 32gb of very slow emmc 11:33 < Diablo-D3> they are thick as a brick, and use a pretty shitty (but still vaguely multitouch) 1024x800 or w/e lcd 11:33 < nmz787_i> yeah the laptop I posted had at least 2GB 11:34 < nmz787_i> but I agree, the 1GB is pretty awful 11:34 < Diablo-D3> 1gb is awful no matter what you do 11:34 < Diablo-D3> arm with android? its bad 11:34 < Diablo-D3> x86 with windows? its bad 11:34 < Diablo-D3> fun fact: I have an original generation kindle fire 11:34 < nmz787_i> I have a $60 tablet with either a 2 or 4 core, running windows 8 or 8.1... and I stopped using it for a media center because it hung up with higher res vids 11:34 < Diablo-D3> the same thing as all these cheap 7" tablets 11:35 < Diablo-D3> dual core, 512mb of ram, 8gb of flash 11:35 < Diablo-D3> no microphone or camera 11:35 < Diablo-D3> or bluetooth 11:35 < Diablo-D3> just wifi and a non-otg usb 11:35 < Diablo-D3> _its so bad_ 11:36 < Diablo-D3> but yeah, airmont is the replacement for silvermont, its an atomfied broadwell, 14nm, the surface 3 uses one 11:36 < Diablo-D3> cpu wise, intel hit their stride for tiny devices 11:36 < Diablo-D3> we now have enough cpu power for general use without being retardedly slow 11:37 < Diablo-D3> whats murdering performance now is the lack of ram (100% of it is eaten by apps, you maaay be digging into swap, which that in of itself is making everything far worse) 11:37 < Diablo-D3> and the fact your disk io just doesnt exist 11:37 < Diablo-D3> merely saying its slow is not fully illustrating the issue at hand 11:37 < Diablo-D3> its a massive understatement 11:39 < Diablo-D3> if they could get a surface 3-esque device, without the pen, without the keyboard, without any of that magical goodness 11:40 < Diablo-D3> as a 7" tablet 11:40 < Diablo-D3> 32gb disk (which leaves you about 16ish left give or take) 11:41 < Diablo-D3> and 2gb of ram 11:41 < Diablo-D3> for $200 11:41 < Diablo-D3> I'd buy it 11:41 < Diablo-D3> without question 11:42 < Diablo-D3> and I'd just rdp into my workstation all the time with it 11:42 < Diablo-D3> well, not all the time all the time, but whenever I have to do anything sufficiently big 11:44 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:45 < Diablo-D3> like, just running a web browser, an email client, etc, can be done locally without pestering my desktop 12:02 < xentrac> nmz787_i: hot glue is way more shockproof than many of the alternatives 12:03 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05 < nmz787_i> yeah I was thinking if you really needed 2TB then just get a slim USB3 hdd 12:05 < xentrac> yeah, possibly 12:06 < nmz787_i> you could probably 3D print some case that incorporates it with batteries or something 12:06 < nmz787_i> like a docking station or battery extender 12:06 < chris_99> you might be interested in this nmz787_i http://uk.farnell.com/cypress-semiconductor/cyusb3kit-003/dev-board-cyusb301x-usb-controller/dp/2448471 i'm thinking of getting one to attach an 80Msps ADC to the PC 12:06 < nmz787_i> though that is a lot of work 12:06 < nmz787_i> chris_99: no luck with DMAing the ADC out to USB? 12:07 < nmz787_i> chris_99: you should check the progress of the daisho project 12:07 < kanzure> .g "page fault liberation army" 12:07 < yoleaux> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/Fahrplan/events/5265.en.html 12:07 < chris_99> i'm thinking i wouldn't get 80Msps out via usb 2 anyway, so i figure the FX3 is better better 12:07 < chris_99> *better bet 12:07 < chris_99> even 12:07 < nmz787_i> chris_99: well you could likely do on the fly compression with those 3 cores 12:08 < chris_99> the fx3 is usb3 though, and i also found some example code 12:08 < nmz787_i> idk though 12:08 < nmz787_i> price isn't too bad, but what about a fast adc? 12:08 < chris_99> sec 12:08 < nmz787_i> just gonna send it from the lpc? 12:08 < chris_99> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?keywords=AD9269BCPZ-80 12:08 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-56-224.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:08 < chris_99> 16 bit, 80Msps 12:08 < chris_99> i'm gonna attach that to the FX3 12:09 < chris_99> when i have some cash 12:09 < nmz787_i> hmm 12:09 < nmz787_i> yeah that is the big downside IMO compared to the LPC4370 12:09 < nmz787_i> but I've also heard some stuff on noise of that on-chip ADC 12:10 < chris_99> ah, it's a shame the LPC4370 isn't usb3 heh 12:10 < nmz787_i> (the cash is the downside) 12:10 < nmz787_i> chris_99: what about using the SPIflash interface to dump to sd card? 12:10 < Diablo-D3> [03:05:28] yeah I was thinking if you really needed 2TB then just get a slim USB3 hdd 12:11 < nmz787_i> still not fast enough? 12:11 < Diablo-D3> the irony is when I needed an external 2TB, I just built one 12:11 < xentrac> chris_99: is the ADC for a 40MHz oscilloscope or is this an SDR kind of application? 12:11 < Diablo-D3> 2TB 3.5" 5400rpm, the last of the samsung drives before they went to seagate, in a USB3 metal enclosure 12:11 < nmz787_i> xentrac: harmonic emanations from keyboards 12:11 < nmz787_i> so kinda SDR 12:12 < chris_99> nmz787_i, hmm not sure tbh. xentrac kind of, i want to do power analysis of things like a keyboard, laser printer, and this way i can just dump directly to PC for processing 12:12 < xentrac> oh, for tempest attacks? 12:12 < chris_99> yeah 12:12 < Diablo-D3> someday 2TB 2.5" or ssd will exist and be cheap enough I can just throw that in a 2.5" enclosure instead 12:12 < nmz787_i> chris_99: for not too much more you could just get the new rigol 4 channel 50 MHz scope, which has ethernet... but maybe not gigabit, idk 12:13 < chris_99> i've got the rigol scope, the memory is tiny though 12:13 < chris_99> 1052e i have 12:13 < nmz787_i> but that's only 8 bits 12:13 < nmz787_i> nah the new one has mega memory 12:13 < nmz787_i> 20Mpoints I think 12:13 < chris_99> which one is that 12:13 < nmz787_i> with the hack/upgrade 12:13 < nmz787_i> - Ability to train new team members and provide training to product customers 12:13 -!- ZipGun [~lquiroga@189-212-109-182.static.axtel.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:14 < nmz787_i> http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000Z/ds1054z/ 12:16 < nmz787_i> I guess the LAN is slow, as they only refer to it as LAN anywhere 12:16 < chris_99> yeah you won't get continuous output 12:16 < chris_99> from that 12:16 < chris_99> afaik 12:16 < chris_99> just the ability to dump the long memory i guess 12:19 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfwlovzqixvbcihr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:19 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:22 < xentrac> what frequency band are the signals in? 12:22 < chris_99> the ps/2 keyboard one is very low around 16kHz (the clock rate of ps/2) 12:23 < kanzure> 16 kilo samples/sec? that's not even enough for typing. 12:23 < xentrac> so even a professional audio sound card would work 12:24 < xentrac> kanzure: it's enough for humans to type at, just not posthuman AIs like you 12:26 < chris_99> 16khz is the ps/2 clock rate 12:29 < nmz787_i> but you don't emanate a lot of signal, right, and that's why you need all the higher harmonics to increase SnR? 12:31 < chris_99> they actually filtered for the signal at around 16kHz, rather than a higher harmonic 12:31 < chris_99> afaik 12:31 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 < chris_99> check this paper for laser printers that's pretty awesome - www.wil.waw.pl/art_prac/emission_security_of_laser_printers.pdf 12:34 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38 < xentrac> nmz787_i: even 48kHz, the third harmonic, is within the capability of 96ksps pro audio sound cards 12:38 < chris_99> yeah maybe it'd be a good plan to start out with a soundcard 12:39 < nmz787_i> I just guessed there was a reason, since they used a hifi o-scope and some SATA data dumping to get all the raw data 12:39 < nmz787_i> maybe that was because they were doing more than just ps/2? 12:40 < chris_99> wait which paper do you mean nmz787_i, the blackhat one used an mcu @ 1Msps at some point 12:40 < xentrac> 96ksps pro audio sound cards might have an analog front-end filter to attenuate 48kHz down into near nothingness though 12:41 < nmz787_i> idk, one from the first link you sent a few days ago 12:41 < nmz787_i> I only looked at one paper though 12:41 < chris_99> thats a different one i think nmz787_i, that was the one where they recieved the RF 12:41 < chris_99> this one is tapping the earth of a PC 12:46 < xentrac> chris_99: this laser emissions paper has made me realize that for many years I was wrong when I thought that I understood how xerography worked 12:46 < xentrac> or maybe I'm wrong now 12:46 < xentrac> I thought the toner stuck to the parts of the drum that were *not* illuminated! 12:47 < chris_99> heh, i'm not sure which way round that is 12:48 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: uh, I thought it was the thingy zapped the parts that were meant to be black? 12:48 < Diablo-D3> Im not sure what that thing is called 12:48 < Diablo-D3> all I know is it gets very hot and smells like burning death 12:48 < chris_99> laser? 12:49 < Diablo-D3> chris_99: is it a normal laser though? 12:49 < chris_99> apparently it's a laser diode 12:49 < chris_99> not sure what wavelength 12:50 < xentrac> it's a pretty normal laser 12:50 < Diablo-D3> I mean, like, almost my entire life HP has made the ubiquitous LaserJet 12:50 < xentrac> I'm sure the ones in the 1970s weren't laser diodes 12:50 < Diablo-D3> but when I looked through the manuals, it had a word for the unit that I guess has the laser in it 12:52 -!- atomical [~atomical@wl2142.cin.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:53 < Diablo-D3> but yeah, I always thought it was something involving extreme static charges, the laser paints the drum to add the charge to make the toner stick 12:53 < Diablo-D3> then you wipe the toner off on the paper, then bake the paper 12:53 < chris_99> there are static charges 12:53 < chris_99> the laser just effects them 12:54 < Diablo-D3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_printing#Charging 12:55 < Diablo-D3> The laser beam neutralizes (or reverses) the charge on the black parts of the image, leaving a static electric negative image on the photoreceptor surface to lift the toner particles. 12:55 < Diablo-D3> so yeah, it seems to paint it to make the toner stick, not paint it to make it not stick 12:55 < chris_99> it'd be cool if they had a tiny van de graff generater in 12:56 < Diablo-D3> I find it amazing that process even works 12:57 -!- atomical_ [~atomical@m8b5036d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:57 < chris_99> mmm 12:57 < chris_99> very clever 12:57 < Diablo-D3> Like, in a controlled condition, sure 12:57 < Diablo-D3> but like, up here in Maine, its frequent that we get very dry air indoors 12:57 < Diablo-D3> like, if you're not careful, ~15% humidity happens 12:57 < Diablo-D3> and you start zapping the shit out of everything 12:57 < xentrac> Diablo-D3: so the paper is wrong 12:58 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: well, maybe it depends on the tech 12:58 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: wikipedia says it resets the drum with a negative charge, and then the laser paints a positive one where the negatively charged toner sticks to it 12:58 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-49-243-70.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:59 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: what if you reset it with positive charge and then paint negative on it 12:59 < Diablo-D3> or reset negative charge, paint positive, but your toner is positive 12:59 < Diablo-D3> I assume any of these can be true 12:59 < xentrac> well, what you paint is actually neutralization 13:00 < Diablo-D3> well yeah 13:00 < Diablo-D3> its neutralization in the sense the toner either sticks or doesn't stick 13:00 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydmkhkfwruynuhvq] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:00 < Diablo-D3> no/wrong charge 13:01 < Diablo-D3> xentrac: but you know what I mean 13:01 < Diablo-D3> the paper might not be wrong, just describing somebody else's patents 13:01 < Diablo-D3> because I know everything involving laser printers is patented up the wazoo 13:01 < xentrac> I think most of the crucial patents expired in the 1990s 13:02 < Diablo-D3> yeah, but look at like color stuff 13:02 < Diablo-D3> they're still developing that tech 13:02 < Diablo-D3> I imagine all sorts of weird shit goes on there 13:04 -!- bbjam [~RealityLo@188.252.172.192] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-49-243-70.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:18 < nmz787_i> .wik photoelectric effect 13:18 < nmz787_i> yo 13:18 < yoleaux> "The photoelectric effect is the observation that many metals emit electrons when light shines upon them. Electrons emitted in this manner can be called photoelectrons. 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