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01:51 < TMA> xentrac: I have had a strap-on pretied tie, I think there were some events I wore it, but I do not remember the details; did you?
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02:18 < fenn> i've tried noopept but didn't notice very much from it, definitely not anything sleep related
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04:02 < archels> fenn: what dose?
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04:29 < archels> "Of course the Game of Life is too simple to contain conscious observers"
04:29 < archels> lies
04:29 < archels> it's Turing-complete, is it not?
04:30 < Diablo-D3> I dont think anyone wants to simulate a GoL that big
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04:44 < archels> well, someone built a simple computer inside it, so hypothetically we could use it as a platform for mind uploading =)
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04:53 < fenn> 5 milligram ish
04:53 < fenn> maybe 20, i forget
04:55 < fenn> i checked my logs, 10-20 and up to 30 mg
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05:06 < poppingtonic> There's a gap between "can do it in principle" and "would definitely want to do it".
05:14 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
05:25 < archels> fenn: it didn't do as much for me as stimulants, but definitely a noticeable effect. more fluid thinking
05:25 < archels> actually I didn't take any in the past 4-5 months, so must've not made the cut anyhow
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05:54 < chris_99> just saw http://opentrons.com/ on HN
05:54 < chris_99> how much are commercial equivalents out of interest, as that says 3k
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06:21 < kanzure> archels: perhaps the lie in the quote is that "conscious observers" exist at all :)
06:21 < chris_99> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/diy-crispr-kits-learn-modern-science-by-doing#/
06:26 < JayDugger> fenn, have you tried intermittent fasting?
06:34 < atomical_> chris_99: can I use that kit for gene doping?
06:35 < chris_99> heh no idea
06:43 < kanzure> i think that for scientific honesty we need to try the opposite of intermittent fasting, that is, constant-rate glucose line drip into the veins
06:45 < JayDugger> Seems reasonable. I'll expect fat rats in the animal model.
06:46 < lkjhfr> kanzure, i've seen on bbc a program where people supposedly did that
06:46 < lkjhfr> but bbc is ridiculous
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06:51 < kanzure> yea you can't trust them, three out of two of their doctor who stories are doctored
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07:02 < archels> kanzure: haha, good point
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07:13 < atomical_> intermittent fasting sounds like a diet fad
07:15 < CautiousNarwhal> I disagree because its pretty healthy for you.
07:15 < CautiousNarwhal> Fads are usually not that greaat for you but have few benefits
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07:25 < atomical_> I experience increased mental fogginess and stress.
07:26 < atomical_> I'll stick with my high carb diet.
07:26 < JayDugger> atomical, did you try IF? how long did you persist?
07:28 < CautiousNarwhal> Different genetics matter. The things you eat while IF matter too. Ive been doing it for a year and trust me there were times were i increased my mental foginess but now that im on a paleo diet and IF i feel a lot better
07:29 < CautiousNarwhal> Maybe your mental foginess is because of the high carbs and not the IF
07:29 < JayDugger> Those are good points, CautiousNarwhal. I wondered if atomical had gotten past the first two months, which I found difficult.
07:32 < CautiousNarwhal> Oh my me, those were the worse. Now i find myself just wanting to fast for longer periods. I fast 18 and have an eating window of 6 hours. I want to do 24 hr fast but its too difficult
07:32 < atomical_> Okinawans have a high carbohydrate diet and they have a high life expectancy.
07:32 < JayDugger> Did you suffer temperature swings in those first few months?
07:33 < JayDugger> So they do, so they do. I can change my diet, but I can't change my ethnicity.
07:34 < CautiousNarwhal> Right thats what i meam genetics.
07:34 < atomical_> How can you possibly know if that's the reason behind their longevity?
07:34 < JayDugger> Which nicely leads back to the gene doping question about the indiegogo kit.
07:35 < CautiousNarwhal> Longetivity isnt the same as mental sharpness.
07:35 < CautiousNarwhal> JayDugger which kit?
07:35 < atomical_> Mental sharpness is subjective
07:36 < atomical_> Those idiots over at #nootropics are experiencing placebo effect
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08:26 < CautiousNarwhal> lol
08:32 < kanzure> scienceexchange sent me some spam today: they are doing amazon gift cards ($50 value) for custom organic synthesis projects
08:32 < kanzure> .... and these custom organic synthesis projects seem to be >$1k each.
08:32 < kanzure> very confusing.
08:33 < atomical_> that's for the worker that convinces their boss to use them
08:44 < JayDugger> CautiousNarwhal, see link from chris99
08:48 < CautiousNarwhal> Wow that looks comprehensive
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09:07 < atomical_> I also found this, http://www.glowgene.com/
09:07 < atomical_> there needs to be a project for animals
09:07 < atomical_> yeast is boring
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09:16 < atomical_> test
09:22 < xentrac> how about yogurt?
09:25 < kanzure> there are already animal genetic engineering projects.
09:25 < kanzure> and same for yogurt- a few people on the diybio mailing list have done this.
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09:31 < atomical_> animal genetic engineering products for the hacker at home?
09:35 < xentrac> they've actually made green fluorescent yogurt?
09:35 < xentrac> or they've just tried?
09:40 < cluckj> tried
09:42 < atomical_> put the yeast in the yogurt :-P
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09:44 < cluckj> I'm not sure those microbes get along?
09:45 < xentrac> yeah, you don't really want yeast in your yogurt
09:48 < atomical_> are gene guns still used?
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10:09 < nmz787_i1> atomical_: sure are
10:17 < nmz787_i1> xentrac: got something modelled for my microfluidics last night, and realized more succintly the point you mentioned about g-code (usually) having some manufacturing modifications aside from describing the geometry boundaries
10:18 < xentrac> nmz787_i1: cool!  enlighten me
10:19 < nmz787_i1> basically if I want to create square channels vs parabolic... the same laser will be used, so the difference will need to be at least that the sqaure channels get more overall dose (since the beam power drops off from the center, we need to dose the area more so the edges get as exposed as the center)
10:19 < nmz787_i1> but if I was using some other type of machinery implement... the g-code might be much different
10:28 < xentrac> that makes sense!
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10:43 < nmz787_i1> I really wish I had a clone of myself, so I could give them interesting work
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11:43 < nmz787_i1> what spurred this article title? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/01/19/r-i-p-bitcoin-its-time-to-move-on/
11:44 < nmz787_i1> rather, is it anything substantial?
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11:45 < xentrac> Mike Hearn's whiny ragequit
11:45 < xentrac> I mean it tells you that in the first graf
11:46 < xentrac> wtf, are there migrant workers from Mexico in Venezuela?  Like, what, maybe three of them?
11:46 < xentrac> going from Mexico to Venezuela to work as a migrant worker would be an outstandingly stupid idea
11:46 < xentrac> Vivek is so clueless
11:49 < xentrac> without endorsing the Ada Initiative, I point to this page: http://adainitiative.org/2015/02/24/the-ada-initiative-does-not-support-vivek-wadhwas-women-in-technology-research/
11:50 < xentrac> now, Valerie could hypothetically be lying when she wrote, "At no time did Aurora consent to be listed as an “ambassador” for the book"
11:50 < xentrac> but Vivek also misspelled her name
11:50 < xentrac> (as you can see in the screenshot, but I also saw it on the page at the time)
11:55 < kanzure> nmz787_i1: yea there was a ragequit the other day
11:55 < kanzure> nmz787_i1: here's some follow-up,
11:55 < kanzure> https://fixingtao.com/2016/01/point-by-point-response-to-mike-hearns-final-bitcoin-post/
11:55 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41fn73/mike_hearns_inconsistencies_with_respect_to_block/
11:55 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4151ng/the_mike_hearn_show_season_finale_and_bitcoin/
11:55 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/412adm/on_mike_hearn_block_size_and_bitcoins_future/
11:55 < xentrac> in this article he is promoting "of the innovations behind the technology that underlies Bitcoin, the blockchain" but simultaneously describes it as one of Bitcoin's "failures": "From Bitcoin’s failures, we have learnt how digital communities shouldn’t operate.  ...  And we have seen the wastage in a mining system that consumed gigawatt–hours of electricity and spawned giant server farms in China solely to crunch numbers to “mine” B
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11:56 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/cx5tlis
11:56 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/cx8k719
11:56 < xentrac> this leads me to believe that Vivek is as clueless about blockchains as he is about women in technology
11:56 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3griiv/on_consensus_and_forks_by_mike_hearn/cu0yv0r
11:56 < kanzure> https://medium.com/@tradertimm/hearn-big-bank-bitcoin-bully-c61531c082e#.tsayp91al
11:56 < xentrac> kanzure: is there anything that isn't in /r/Bitcoin?
11:57 < kanzure> https://medium.com/@Truthcoin/mr-hearn-very-sorry-to-read-this-article-5e60c2ef741
11:57 < kanzure> https://medium.com/@BitFuryGroup/keep-calm-and-bitcoin-on-4f29d581276
11:57 < xentrac> kanzure: because regardless of the merits of Hearn's arguments, /r/Bitcoin is moderated by theymos, who will ban you from the subreddit if you "promote" Bitcoin XT
11:58 < kanzure> hahahaha you don't really believe that do you?
11:58 < xentrac> we can probably add to the list https://medium.com/@jgarzik/bitcoin-is-being-hot-wired-for-settlement-a5beb1df223a and https://medium.com/@bramcohen/whiny-ragequitting-cab164b1e88
11:58 < kanzure> theymos and i were talking about this recently, and i told him that he's the fucking worst at banning- and he mentioned that's because he isn't banning that shit
11:58 < xentrac> yes, I do
11:59 < kanzure> you can verify theymos' claims for yourself, search "site:reddit.com/r/bitcoin XT"
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11:59 < kanzure> just because there's a lynch mob saying "censorship about XT" doesn't mean there is censorship about XT
11:59 < kanzure> that's not how reality works
12:00 < xentrac> everything I see from that search appears to be anti-XT
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12:00 < kanzure> that's not censorship about XT.
12:00 < kanzure> also, jgarzik's article is sort of muddled and confused--- bitcoin "settlement" is somewhat unique and doesn't look like traditional settlement systems
12:01 < kanzure> for example, target2 real-time gross settlement system, is actually under the hood just like any other payment processor, the architecture is precisely the same
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12:02 < kanzure> and the same cannot be said for bitcoin-- so "hot-wired for settlement" (in the traditional sense) is sort of wrong... but this can be forgiven because he's presumably talking about "a thing which is not traditional payment processors"... so yeah bitcoin is something different and is continuing to be different. this should not be surprising and it's weird that jgarzik/gavinandresen would bother to write that up.
12:02 < xentrac> my bookmark entry for it
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12:02 < xentrac> https://medium.com/@jgarzik/bitcoin-is-being-hot-wired-for-settlement-a5beb1df223a Jeff Garzik and Gavin Andresen explain why they think the block size limit in #Bitcoin is going to force it to become a settlement instrument for large transactions, like gold, instead of an everyday currency.
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12:02 < xentrac> I don't see why what would be a problem but whatever
12:03 < kanzure> both jgarzik and gavinandresen seem to not understand zero-conf lightning transactions (which are just bitcoin transactions under the hood)
12:03 < kanzure> so even if most transactions that get into the blockchain are high-value-only, this does not prevent low-value payment channel infrastructure like http://lightning.network/ and https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd
12:03 < xentrac> https://medium.com/@tradertimm/hearn-big-bank-bitcoin-bully-c61531c082e#.81q0ryma5 is particularly interesting
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12:05 < kanzure> xentrac: a friend of mine recently wrote this up, i think you'll like it, let me know https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pl1EUstbkza5Ig7CdaxyGxGXA1jSbdApcizU_rag2eI/edit?pli=1
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12:06 < xentrac> how do I copy and paste that document so I can read it later?
12:08 < kanzure> xentrac: http://0bin.net/paste/0keuUBoTXdhY6-Me#MCLsuNerKuKL133p97RLE6G3c6H96saidNV+2i+Gx3G
12:09 < xentrac> oh, File->Download
12:10 < xentrac> it's interesting that Hearn worked for QinetiQ
12:12 < kanzure> maybe i should have mentioned that sooner
12:12 < kanzure> took a lot of digging to find that
12:12 < kanzure> until i realized it was public on his google+ profile -_-
12:14 < xentrac> haha
12:14 < xentrac> I used to work for a US military research company too
12:15 < xentrac> in the previous millennium
12:15 < kanzure> data plumbing?
12:15 < xentrac> hyperspectral image analysis software
12:15 < xentrac> I sucked
12:15 < kanzure> sounds like data plumbing
12:16 < xentrac> depends on how specifically you mean "data plumbing"
12:16 < kanzure> unix pipes
12:17 < xentrac> I was not implementing unix pipes :)
12:22 < xentrac> kanzure: I think this quote from the /r/Bitcoin sidebar confirms the accusations of censorship: "Promotion of client software which attempts to alter the Bitcoin protocol without overwhelming consensus is not permitted."
12:23 < kanzure> censorship requires actual censorship!
12:24 < kanzure> not just spineless policy
12:24 < kanzure> spineless- unimplemented- policy
12:25 < kanzure> btw, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40tje8/proposal_for_fixing_rbitcoin_moderation_policy/cywzwme
12:28 < kanzure> see also http://lesswrong.com/lw/c1/wellkept_gardens_die_by_pacifism/
12:29 < kanzure> as for my own views of moderation, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xcshp/bip202_by_jeff_garzik_block_size_increase_to_2mb/cy4jk8e (which is something that pasky (from in here) replied to)
12:30 < xentrac> I don't know, I think https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3ghx03/important_rbitcoin_is_being_censored_by_utheymos/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gjrvy/could_we_have_a_sticky_on_the_new_rules_their/ctyuk19 are pretty conclusive
12:34 < xentrac> so on one hand it does seem plausible that Mike is acting with ill intent, and was all along
12:34 < kanzure> is that really censorship? or is he simply moderating? if other people have been able to learn about that patch through his subreddit, then could it really be said that he is censoring it...?
12:34 < xentrac> but it does seem like there's a policy of censorship on /r/Bitcoin and that that policy is being followed
12:34 < kanzure> i think that mike's intentions (whether ill or otherwise) are unrelated to whether bitcoin subreddit moderation is too weighted in some directions
12:35 < xentrac> which means that /r/Bitcoin is not a good source of information on all sides of the discussion as to what Mike's intentions are
12:35 < kanzure> so why is "this post was removed" evidence of censorship, but "search the subreddit for XT and you'll see it" not evidence of non-censorship?
12:35 < xentrac> because of what I found when I did that search
12:36 < kanzure> btw, the subreddit is a good source for mike's intentions. he has continued to argue for his intentions- everyone knows his arguments.
12:37 < kanzure> xentrac: that's not a good answer. you need something like "standards for reasoning about whether censorship is happening are xyz, and this violates [whatever aspect] of xyz"
12:38 < xentrac> I searched the subreddit for XT and what I saw was weak evidence for censorship rather than against it
12:39 < xentrac> since a substantial, very noisy group of people are in favor of XT and go around making arguments for it, I would have expected those arguments to come up in that search and also on /r/Bitcoin's front page, but in fact I don't
12:39 < kanzure> your frontpage expectations are sort of weird
12:39 < xentrac> this suggests that they are being censored
12:39 < kanzure> you mean right now? you would expect something XT on the frontpage? why
12:40 < xentrac> it's not very strong evidence
12:40 < xentrac> it's kind of a hot topic at the moment
12:40 < kanzure> actually no- it missed its deadline, all of the xt contributors moved to another implementation or something
12:40 < kanzure> but uh, as for your other thing,
12:41 < xentrac> anyway, so there's a declared censorship policy in place, there are people all over the place claiming that it's being enforced, and when I look directly, it looks like it's being enforced
12:41 < kanzure> "i found a thing and it was weak evidence for censorship" ... meh. posts get removed all the time. censorship requires completely preventing and blocking a flow of information entirely. not just moderation to prefer othe rtopics as primary discussion.....
12:41 < kanzure> yeah but if you look with search- you can trivially see that the topics are often talked about
12:41 < kanzure> and theymos even admits that he's not banning all discussion of those topics
12:42 < xentrac> so even if I believe you that theymos thinks he ought to be doing a better job at his censorship, that doesn't mean he isn't doing it at all
12:42 < kanzure> so if you trust his moderation policy is true, then why would you also not trust his statement that he is not banning all discussion of them?
12:42 < kanzure> he doesn't think he should be doing a better job
12:42 < xentrac> "not banning all discussion" is not the same as "not censoring at all"
12:42 < kanzure> *i* think he should be better at banning/censoring, but he doesn't want to
12:42 < kanzure> what is your definition of censorship :)
12:43 < xentrac> I mean obviously he wasn't prohibiting people from criticizing XT
12:43 < xentrac> .wik censorship
12:43 < yoleaux> "Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
12:44 < xentrac> so I think you're being kind of dishonest in this discussion, so I am not going to continue it
12:44 < kanzure> haha
12:44 < xentrac> thanks for the links!
12:44 < kanzure> so convenient for you
12:44 < kanzure> your accusations of censorship are not based on physical reality and you are a terrible person
12:45 < kanzure> if anything you should say theymos is using editorial control or something, but to say he is successfully or intentionally censoring is absolutely false.
12:46 < kanzure> *also* even if he was censoring, it's morally wrong of you to paint that community as not knowing about mike's actual objections and concerns. they have been thoroughly bombarded with lal of his objections for more than a year now, they are thoroughly aware of them.
12:46 < kanzure> *all of his objections
12:47 < pasky> kanzure: I think the shitstorm shows that at least, you guys suck really bad at politics and PR
12:47 < kanzure> pasky: i don't think it's right to lump me into that, but yeah i would have to agree that bitcoin core doesn't engage in those activities
12:48 < kanzure> and i would also say that bitcoin core probably should :-)
12:48 < xentrac> kanzure: given that you have descended from simple dishonesty into personal abuse, I am shunning you for three months
12:49 < xentrac> also, it is false to imply that I am "paint[ing] that community as not knowing about mike's actual objections and concerns," whether due to simple miscommunication or intentional dishonesty
12:50 < kanzure> then what do you call this: 12:35 < xentrac> which means that /r/Bitcoin is not a good source of information on all sides of the discussion as to what Mike's intentions are
12:51 < kanzure> his blog posts, which were repeatedly posted to the subreddit and thoroughly discussed (but i wouldn't expect you to know this), were not really XT-specific (which i would expect you to know this)
12:52 < kanzure> anyway, you call it "personal abuse" and "censorship", and i call it moderation-- we can't just reject evidence and replace it with lynch mob sentiment, no matter how much abuse it might cause you or anyone else.
12:53 < pasky> (my not-completely-technically-informed opinion is that bitcoin should just bump the blockchain size to 2M and be done with this while it works on the quiet, more proper solutions; it may not be technically optimal, but it shouldn't be technically a total disaster aiui, and it would make lots of people happy, and if you are running a currency/service you ought to make its users happy and do reasonable compromises on technical purity; that's ...
12:53 < pasky> ... what I meant by politics)
12:53 < kanzure> pasky: did you by any chance read the bitcoin core capacity increases roadmap?
12:54 < kanzure> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011865.html
12:54 < pasky> I did, and I understand how segwit will help
12:55 < pasky> but it's hard to explain
12:55 < pasky> it's not politics and it seems it'll take quite a few more months to go through with it (right?)
12:55 < kanzure> oh, well, the simple explanation is "move the authorization data into another area and make more room for transactions in the regular blocks"
12:55 < kanzure> actually no it's speeding along very quickly
12:56 < kanzure> they are working on a blog post announcement at the moment for its current status (well into the testing stage, 4 bips done, implementation done, etc.)
12:56 < pasky> but people don't want to make room for transactions anymore; they want larger blocks - because sunshine and unicorns
12:56 < kanzure> well, anyway, i agree with you about communication/marketing-- the technical details aren't going to make the upset people happy.
12:56 < pasky> kanzure: oh okay, that's awesome; then maybe it's not so bad a problem
12:56 < kanzure> no amount of technical details will make angry mobs feel better, that's not how things work, so i 100% agree wit hyou
12:56 < kanzure> *with you
12:57 < kanzure> pasky: and i would say lack of communications expertise is an extremely large, primary source of all of the angry mobbery
12:59 < pasky> I agree, and I do think it sucks it works that way
12:59 < kanzure> there's no internal structure in bitcoin core for delegating tasks like that
12:59 < kanzure> i was really surprised when i learned this
12:59 < pasky> I love https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/
12:59 < kanzure> it's really just programmers volunteering their time to write code, there's literally nothing else
12:59 < kanzure> (besides testing, documentation, code review, etc.)
13:00 < pasky> well there was the bitcoin foundation with its COO and event managers, right? :)
13:00 < kanzure> no
13:00 < kanzure> they were not doing bitcoin core stuff
13:00 < kanzure> it was unrelated
13:00 < pasky> hmm i see
13:00 < kanzure> they hired gavinandresen, which i guess is somewhat related? but they were doing that to pay him so that he would have time to..... write code.
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13:13 < FourFire> ARGH, this really shouldn't be this hard!
13:14 < FourFire> I just freaking want a linux to run other linuxes on, on new hardware, which doesn't freaking bug out or crash
13:16 < kanzure> kvm?
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13:17 < FourFire> so problem: need tty in order to do sudo stuff with root user, because apparently sudo doesn't exist for nonroot users on debian, then it crashes because I have the vehement temerity to use skylake processors on what is suppsoed to be the most stable linus distribution
13:17  * FourFire flails arms in frautration
13:17 < pompolic> that seems suspect
13:18 < pompolic> "sudo doesn't exist for nonroot users on debian"
13:20 < pasky> in debian, you give root a password
13:20 < pasky> (and possibly configure sudo)
13:22 < kanzure> use visudo
13:29 < FourFire> I downloaded Zoltan Istvan's book... so far it makes me embarassed to be an transhumanist, but then I'm hardly the target audience
13:29 < FourFire> I still kind of wished he hadn't dumbed everything down quite as much
13:29 < kanzure> your story doesn't make sense... back up for a sec. why would you download his book?
13:33 < maaku> FourFire: heh, welcome to the first stages of going mainstream
13:34 < jrayhawk> adduser $user sudo
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13:36 < FourFire> jrayhawk thanks, that's what i went into tty to do
13:36 < FourFire> jrayhawk, any suggestion on how to login to root without tty?
13:40 < FourFire> Ok, fixed it, now to see whether I can now install teamviewer
13:44 < FourFire> ..and now it won't boot, I need to sleep.
13:44 < kanzure> teamviewer is terribly insecure
13:44 < kanzure> you should probably do one of the simple ubuntu one-click installations
13:44 < kanzure> or a livecd
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13:49 < nmz787_i1> FourFire: uh oh, I was just looking at skylake setups last night, thinking about buying
13:49 < jrayhawk> and if you're having trouble with hardware, you should probably grab a linux-image from sid or experimental
13:49 < jrayhawk> I don't know what "login to root without a tty" means
13:49 < maaku> FourFire: please don't run team viewer
13:49 < maaku> unless you don't mind your system being part of someone's botnet and all your data stolen
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13:51 < nmz787_i1> maaku: what would you recommend as an alternative for managing your mostly-non-computer-expert father's computer from time to time?
13:51 < nmz787_i1> could that be why his core2duo was so slow?
13:51 < maaku> nmz787_i1: install an openssh server on it
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13:53 < jrayhawk> Tunnelling past NAT is sortof a pain unless you can rely on ipv6
13:54 < kanzure> probably chromecast for the dad
13:54 < kanzure> uh... i mean chromebook.
13:54 < nmz787_i1> maaku: impossible to do remotely, my dad would probably collapse with frustration and anger
13:55 < maaku> jrayhawk: tor hidden services
13:55 < nmz787_i1> kanzure: nah that'd be too unfamiliar
13:55 < jrayhawk> nmz787_i1: You can tunnel desktop interaction protocols over SSH, just letting SSH deal with authentication and encryption.
13:56 < jrayhawk> RDP/VNC/X11/etc.
13:58 < kanzure> http://www.bitcoin.kn/2016/01/ciphrex-ceo-eric-lombrozo-discusses-the-live-segregated-witness-test-net/
13:58 < kanzure> trace mayer interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpvcLp7JiSU&t=5m
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14:32 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934149
14:32 < yoleaux> The heroes criticise 'Heroes of CRISPR' article | Hacker News
14:33 < kanzure> http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/45119/title/-Heroes-of-CRISPR--Disputed/
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14:54 < kanzure> https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/the-heroes-of-crispr/
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15:45 < nmz787_i1> jrayhawk: unfortunately the only sort of support that would work for my dad is something that is as close to 1-click as possible
15:45 < nmz787_i1> so anything with SSH is pretty much in the "anger him" zone
15:46 < jrayhawk> You can make that a shortcut on the desktop pretty easily.
15:46 < jrayhawk> "Tunnel to and open a port on a system nmz787 has access to"
15:46 < jrayhawk> using a passwordless ssh key
15:47 < nmz787_i1> hehe, ""#CRISPRFacts: CRISPR is so powerful it can edit its own history.""
15:48 < chris_99> can't you send a shellscript? not sure exactly what you're trying to do though
15:49 < jrayhawk> If you're on Windows, Putty also has an extensive range of command line options for stuff like port forwarding.
15:49 < jrayhawk> Or if he is, rather.
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15:55 < kanzure> the real trick is to install all the good malware first, so you know what's on there
15:55 < kanzure> then the malware authors will defend your computer from other malware
15:56 < kanzure> and then you have an easily used backdoor
15:56 < chris_99> haha
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16:16 < nmz787_i1> well if teamviewer is/has malware and botnet doors, my dad's computer already has them... so uninstalling now will likely do little to help his current situation
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16:38 < nmz787_i1> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/19/cyborg-photosynthetic-bacteria/
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16:40 < nmz787_i1> http://nanowires.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Science-2016-Sakimoto-74-7.pdf
16:40 < nmz787_i1> "Self-photosensitization of nonphotosynthetic bacteria for solar-to-chemical production"
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17:09 < atomical> hi
17:09 < atomical> hi
17:09 < atomical> hi |node
17:10 < |node> hi
17:11 < atomical> how are you?
17:11 < atomical> how are you |node ?
17:11 < |node> im ok
17:11 < |node> u?
17:15 < atomical> what did you do today |node ?
17:15 < |node> not too much
17:17 < nmz787_i1> which one of you is a bot?
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17:29 < atomical> |node
17:29 < |node> yes
17:29 < |node> ?
17:30 < |node> i'm not a bot
17:45 < kanzure> he's the bot.
17:45 < cluckj> beep boop
17:48 < kanzure> cluckj: on a more jovial note, i am confused as to how we are going to be representing bb8 beeps and bloops in text.
17:49 < cluckj> that had never occurred to me as a problem, but now it has become my most serious problem.
17:56 < kanzure> cluckj: how's the postdoc life?
18:00 < cluckj> kanzure, pretty boring, I'm looking for jobs :\
18:01 < atomical> what are you building? some star wars nerd shit?
18:02 < kanzure> you're asking that because he said "beep boop"....?
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18:09 < atomical> i don't know why i ask anything
18:09 < atomical> i know i'm pissed that the #random channel at work is exclusively star wars bullshit
18:09 < justanotheruser> beep boop
18:11 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXU67_cE3ss
18:11 < yoleaux> Kerbal Space Program - Mun Mission Using Only SRB's - YouTube
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19:04 < fenn> losing xentrac due to drama surrounding a bitcoin sub-reddit was unfortunate and unnecessary
19:04 < cluckj> reddit ruins lives
19:05 < fenn> especially since it doesn't even seem to be drama belonging to anyone here
19:05 < fenn> just ambient drama somewhere out there in the world
19:07 < cluckj> ragequit irc?
19:08 < fenn> looks like xentrac has some kind of personal anti-emotional-abuse pre-commitment policy, i guess
19:13 < cluckj> oh
19:14 < cluckj> I feel that
19:16 < maaku> Friends don't let friends Reddit
19:17 < cluckj> ^
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19:29 < eudoxia> personally i never trusted xentrac very much, anyone who voluntarily lives in argentina is probably a crazy person
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19:37 < kanzure> we didn't lose xentrac, he's just ignoring me
19:38 < kanzure> i wouldn't call it anti-emotional abuse, i think he just up-values other people's claims of oppression or censorship or whatever, it's the typical sjw thing to do you know
19:38 < kanzure> (hopefully his other beliefs in that particular department will better hlep you to predict his other opinions)
19:39 < eudoxia> yes
19:41 < vicarion> i would like to express agreement with all of the above, and ask a totally off topic question - is there anywhere on irc a person can get advice on optics?
19:41 < cluckj> O_o
19:42 < kanzure> well we had an irc bot in the planning stages that directed all of our chatter to the edmundoptics online support chat but i don't think we ever turned that on
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19:45 < vicarion> so this edumndoptics online chat would be a possibility
19:45 < kanzure> well they have online chat on their site, for customer support reasons
19:45 < kanzure> irc bot was just an irc2support gateway bridge
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19:48 < vicarion> well, their chat link is still there
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19:48 < vicarion> 'Is this military or defense related? *
19:48 < vicarion> YesNo' <-- always a promising sign when they ask you that
19:53 < cluckj> damn, that reminds me of going to the edmund scientific store as a kid
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20:11 < nmz787> vicarion: yeah I've used their chat, was very helpful
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21:46 < nmz787> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIU8WZR9DNA
21:46 < nmz787> .title
21:46 < yoleaux> UHF microwave gun - YouTube
21:46 < nmz787> "no neighbors were hurt" (because they got bombed recently by Russia I assume)
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22:04 < nmz787> why isn't there more roadmapping going on in here?
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22:20 < nmz787> http://www.wsj.com/articles/instead-of-computer-code-plant-hackers-tinker-with-genetics-1453254509
22:20 < nmz787> .title
22:20 < yoleaux> Instead of Computer Code, ‘Plant Hackers’ Tinker With Genetics - WSJ
22:21 < nmz787> "Mr. Evans, of Taxa, is also the founder of a company that raised $484,000 on the crowdfunding website Kickstarter for its glowing plant in 2013, but hasn’t delivered yet. He said delivery of glowing plant seeds to backers will start this year."
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22:48 < FourFire> maaku, I can always reinstall later and the data on my hosting OS is irrlevant anyway
22:53 < FourFire> maaku, ok, giving up on fixing remote today, any suggestions on what to use instead?
23:07 < maaku> nmz787: great question
23:08 < maaku> FourFire: instead of what?
23:09 < FourFire> Teamviewer
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23:29 < maaku> for that sort of stuff I usually use VNC routed over ssh port forwarding
23:29 < maaku> but really I do what I need to using the command line and a regular ssh bash session
23:29 < maaku> interesting data: https://twitter.com/iamkoby/status/689521611611971588
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