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02:39 < lkjhfr> i want to have a power cord tail and fix carbon and nitrogen with my lungs
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03:05 < lkjhfr> no, this wouldn't make sense, which is a good thing, because it wouldn't be easy to do
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03:56 < JayDugger> You want to be a bean plant that plugs into an electrical socket?
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08:36 <@kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10998486
08:36 < yoleaux> Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? | Hacker News
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09:01 < lkjhfr> JayDugger: no, plants harvest sun energy, not electricity, but either way it wouldn't make sense, it would take over an hour to charge with 1kW
09:01 < JayDugger> Fair enough. The power cord tail didn't make sense.
09:02 < streety> what are you charging? and do you mean 1 kWh?
09:04 < lkjhfr> over an hour of deep breathing
09:07 < lkjhfr> streety: i guess that would have to be water... which makes it make even less sense
09:10 < streety> wait, water contains neither carbon nor nitrogen so why would it be involved in the carbon/nitrogen capture scheme?
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09:11 < cluckj> electron transfer chain?
09:12 < lkjhfr> streety: because you lose it while breathing
09:14 < streety> lkjhfr: but you can obtain a large quantity of water by drinking it, you are unlikely to dehydrate.
09:14 < lkjhfr> camels do many different things to keep the water inside, but i am not a camel
09:14 < lkjhfr> the point would be to not have to put anything in my mouth again, besides sucking on mineral tablets
09:14 < cluckj> stillsuit?
09:15 < lkjhfr> the water is lost while breathing, it's some kind of condenser in the nose
09:15 < streety> in that context this conversation is making more sense
09:19 < streety> your scheme might be easier to make work if your neither ate nor breathed. Total internal recycling powered by the electricity supply
09:19 < lkjhfr> yeah, but i don't know if there's enough volume in the body to contain that
09:20 < lkjhfr> i mean, i wouldn't want to be plugged in at all times, which would require some power capacity of the body
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09:24 < lkjhfr> energy capacity
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09:31 < streety> Carbohydrates and fats provide a dense source of fuel, the oxidizer might be an issue. You would also want to avoid gaseous end-products. It might be a challenge.
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09:38 < lkjhfr> this means that the table of energy densities on wikipedia is missing the oxidizer in weight calculations :)
09:40 < lkjhfr> it's pointed out in a note in the middle of the article
09:42 < delinquentme> Ok so say you're doing some kinda in-vacuo chemistry that knocks off an electron
09:42 < delinquentme> what happens to that electron?
09:43 < delinquentme> does it just go beaming off until it interacts w something charged?
09:43 < delinquentme> does it like ... tunnel to the nearest positivity ?
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09:46 < lkjhfr> the electron is harvested by cells which convert the metabolism products back into glucose and ketones... and oxygen?
09:48 < lkjhfr> by cells i mean an organ fitted with biomineralized elctrode or something
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09:49 < delinquentme> ahhhhh
09:49 < delinquentme> so in vacuum
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09:50 < delinquentme> not like free radicals in organs
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09:52 < lkjhfr> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Direct%20Biological%20Conversion%20of%20Electrical%20Current%20into%20Methane%20by%20Electromethanogenesis.pdf
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10:00 < delinquentme> "milipede"
10:00 < delinquentme> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.58.9045&rep=rep1&type=pdf
10:00 < delinquentme> ~1000 tip AFM array
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16:26 < fenn> http://thinklab.com/blog/10-consequences-of-a-broken-scientific-reward-system/36  while anyone can complain, i've rarely seen such a concise and comprehensive list of what's wrong with academic research, although they forgot to list "principle investigators waste 99% of their time on securing grant funding instead of doing science"
16:27 < fenn> principal*
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16:36 < abetusk> I wonder how good this journal is: http://jnrbm.biomedcentral.com/
16:37 < fenn> huh, thinklab plans to pay people to do peer review.
16:44 < juri_> http://kalli1.faikvm.com/HacDC/OpticalTableRobot/files/tip/
16:45 < juri_> ^--- source code to my 3d printer, in implicitcad.
16:49 < fenn> cool. have you thought about making a library of standard parts like nuts and bolts?
16:49 < fenn> for implicitcad
16:50 < juri_> indeed. I figgured i'd let what i use get unweildy first, however.
16:50 < cluckj> remuneration for work like that is totally necessary
16:50 < cluckj> all the free labor that scientists and academics do is pretty astounding
16:51 < fenn> cluckj what they're proposing is pretty radical; there's a $20 minimum guaranteed reward per comment, with extra points if the author or other reviewers thought it was a useful comment
16:51 < cluckj> whoa
16:51 < fenn> they also want to open it up to random people on the internet
16:51 < cluckj> that's serious money
16:52 < cluckj> well...I guess that depends what a "comment" is
16:52 < fenn> "Proposal review is a significant time investment and we expect people to earn between $100 to $400 for completing a full review."
16:52 < cluckj> yes
16:53 < juri_> sounds profitable to me. I'd be game.
16:53 < cluckj> me too
16:54 < fenn> "Whoever posted the Reviewer Rewards may invite up to three people to review the proposal"
16:55 < fenn> it's unclear where the rest of the money goes if all of the comments are useless
16:55 < cluckj> who determines usefulness?
16:56 < fenn> "Any user that is affiliated with a research institution or that has been approved for participation may rate comments."
16:56 < cluckj> it sounds like it would be easier to just hire some fucking reviewers and editors
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16:56 < systemsgotyou> hi
16:56 < systemsgotyou> is modafinil a good replacement for caffeine?
16:57 < fenn> they are equally effective for the purposes of not falling asleep
16:57 < psyreal> yep
16:57 < systemsgotyou> in terms of focus
16:57 < psyreal> for some Mod helps greatly for others little or none. YMMV
16:58 < systemsgotyou> thanks
17:02 < cluckj> I dunno, I'd rather not spend my time doing something then be not paid for it because it was downvoted
17:02 < fenn> you always get the minimum payment
17:02 < cluckj> hm
17:02 < cluckj> where does the money come from?
17:03 < fenn> the bonus points are to make an incentive to write good comments
17:03 < cluckj> oh
17:04 < fenn> i'm not sure where the money comes from exactly, it just says "Funds may be posted by sponsoring organizations who have posted Thinklab funding opportunities, or by the researchers themselves."
17:04 < cluckj> interesting
17:05 < fenn> looks like they have actually moved some money around already http://thinklab.com/funding/1/funded
17:09 < cluckj> not too much, it still looks proof-of-concept
17:09 < fenn> yep
17:10 < cluckj> super neoliberal too
17:11 < fenn> i bet a lot of people would pay a small amount to make writing their grant proposal easier and have a higher chance of success, with the funding cycle being so long if you screw up and don't get funded it's worth spending a little to boost your chance of success
17:11 < fenn> .wik neoliberal
17:11 < yoleaux> "Neoliberalism is a term whose usage and definition have changed over time. Since the 1980s, the term has been used by scholars in a wide variety of social sciences and critics primarily in reference to the resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberal
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17:13 < fenn> http://thinklab.com/leaderboard
17:14 < cluckj> hah
17:15 < fenn> it's interesting that daniel himmelstein has 17 times the number of comments posted by antoine lizee, but only 1.37 times as much money earned
17:15 < fenn> does this reflect poorly on himmelstein's commenting ability?
17:15 < cluckj> maybe he's doing some free commenting?
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17:18 < cluckj> or his comments were on his own project?
17:18 < fenn> oh that's probably it
17:18 < cluckj> yes, look at who is on that project vs the leaderboard
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17:22 < fenn> one of lizee's "comments" is a link to his open source implementation of an algorithm the author was requesting...
17:23 < fenn> i'm not sure what counts as peer review vs just watercooler discussion
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17:49 <@kanzure> "peer review" is often watercooler discussion...
17:49 < fenn> i mean for the purposes of earning peer review points
17:50 < fenn> i guess the "guaranteed reward" thing is just a bad idea
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18:07 < juri_> https://github.com/caesar0301/awesome-public-datasets
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18:43 < fenn> "2GB of Photos of Cats"  now you're talkin
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