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That's an interesting philosophical setup 02:39 < vicarion> oh dear 02:41 < vicarion> "I need someone to come fuck my robot and let me watch. 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care what field it happens to be? 08:28 * FourFire wishes they had 50% of kanzure's brain 08:40 <@kanzure> most of the mass is dedicated to pokemon and memorizing urls, careful what you wish for 09:02 < FourFire> kanzure, in http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-12-15.log at 22:40 you say "you should try to avoid that dude" 09:03 < FourFire> What exactly did you mean, because I certainly have a single uniform voice which narrates all text which enters or leaves my brain, and sometimes the voice leaks into my phonological loop while I'm distracted and I narrate my own thoughts to myself 09:04 < FourFire> Wait, you mean it's been slowing me down? 09:05 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:597e:a5aa:3550:fa16] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:07 < cluckj> yeesh are people listening to themselves again 09:07 < cluckj> it's a friggin epidemic 09:09 < FourFire> Yeah, referring to that log, I'm sorry for yet being helpful, I also know that doesn't help: have ordered a mental health assessment and will get meds for whatever turns up 09:10 < FourFire> at worst I'll get a fellow ADHDer who has access to... stuff to share with me. 09:10 < FourFire> trying to learn docker now for gromacs, it's going slowly. 09:10 < cluckj> meth isn't good for you 09:16 <@kanzure> don't listen to cluckj, brain slugs are awesome 09:18 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:27 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:30 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwtsqqkjbapzbaie] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:43 -!- |node [uid125132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwsubtroqpebyzuo] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@37.218.136.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:07 < cluckj> kanzure I see that the super cool hat that I sent you arrived 10:08 < fenn> is it an archbishop hat? 10:14 -!- Quashie 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kind of how the current system works, but without documentation or commodification of credit 10:26 < cluckj> (it's a gift economy) 10:26 < fenn> lol 10:27 < fenn> it's an obligation economy 10:28 < cluckj> I guess? 10:29 < cluckj> there's always the potential for toxicity in gift economies...which is pretty apparent in the current peer review scheme 10:30 < cluckj> publishing companies exploit free labor that academics/scientists provide 10:30 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-103-077-131.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@emi85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:40 <@kanzure> my proposal for fixing science is let's ressurect john von neumann and make him lead the damn thing 10:49 -!- erasmus [~erasmus@unaffiliated/erasmus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- sandeepkr [~sandeepkr@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00 -!- DiabloD3 is now known as Diablo-D3 11:03 -!- justanotheruser 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