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06:51 < chris_99> Has anyone ever seen a tool to roughly guess what the title is from a pdf, possibly via simple heuristics like looking what the text on the top of the first page in bold is
07:04 < Cooler_> you can use screenshot with X11 and try gOCR to get title
07:04 < Cooler_> tesseract too... other view convert PDF to PNG and reconize with SVM etc...
07:25 < kanzure> an easier way would be to search for a doi number and then query some doi metadata service for the title
07:25 < kanzure> cpopell6: jojack is back to doing competitions you should challenge him
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07:27 < cpopell6> kanzure : power or bodybuilding?
07:33 < chris_99> hmm they are pure text pdfs Cooler_, so i could inspect them i guess.  They're not all papers though, so i don't think i can use a doi number
07:34 < kanzure> cpopell6: didn't ask but sounded like bodybuilding
07:42 < cpopell6> kanzure : meh
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08:30 < kanzure> cpopell6: i bet he could be convinced to switch if he had a competitor from his extended community
08:30 < kanzure> although i think he stopped power lifting because of joint problems or something, i don't know
08:30 < kanzure> just call him an old man maybe that will work
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10:57 < nmz787_i> chris_99: I've used tesseract pretty successfully to extract text from PDFs
10:58 < nmz787_i> I was parsing PDFs on property for sale by the state sheriffs (foreclosures I guess)
10:58 < nmz787_i> for some reason they uploaded scans of the real documents, embedded in PDF format
10:58 < chris_99> nmz787_i, sorry i wasn't clear originally, these are just pdfs with normal text in, (rather than images of text) i was just looking for something to guess the title by looking for the heading text in bold or something
10:59 < nmz787_i> and I wanted to get all the addresses of available listings, and plot them on a map, to see what was close to me
11:01 < chris_99> cool
11:01 < chris_99> i've played with tesseract a little bit before, it seems to work pretty well
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11:09 < nmz787_i> well OCR could still be nice to get setup if the source isn't reliable always text
11:09 < nmz787_i> or if you can't determine bold characters or whatever, through something like PDFminer
11:13 < chris_99> oh pdfminer looks good, i've played with a pdf lib before but the one i used wasn't great
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11:46 < FourFire> Who in here use tools like http://www.spritzlet.com/ to attain better reading speed, costs? benefits?
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12:33 < nmz787_i> FourFire: I find that I scan pages a lot faster than it would take to read every word serially
12:33 < FourFire> nmz787_i, specific directed method or just habitual?
12:33 < nmz787_i> idk if this is just faster serial scanning, or if I also use my peripheral vision... or some sort of random walk or binary search tree to elucidate text of interest/importance
12:34 < nmz787_i> FourFire: I guess habitual
12:34 < nmz787_i> but I may have directed myself in an evolutionary fashion
12:34 < FourFire> any pointers, how much opf your fov you use, lighting (physical, screen, colours which help?)
12:34 < nmz787_i> I havent followed any specific formal speedreading methodology
12:35 < nmz787_i> hmm, no I guess its just keyword and phrase extraction that I'm doing
12:35 < nmz787_i> it probably comes from project-based research
12:35 < nmz787_i> where I sort of know what I am looking for
12:36 < nmz787_i> so i probably skip reading large portions because of how they look or their context (provided by a bold section title or paragraph breaks)
12:37 < FourFire> In the same line of inquiry: does anyone use music for cognitive enhancement of any kind?
12:37 < nmz787_i> I am much slower at reading things like story books or text books where I am not specifically researching a given thing
12:37 < nmz787_i> FourFire: I like to loop music when I do listen to things while I work
12:37 < FourFire> what kind of music?
12:37 < nmz787_i> all sorts
12:38 < FourFire> examples?
12:38 < nmz787_i> southern hip hop, romanian folk music, techno, blues, bollywood
12:38 < FourFire> is music you enjoy listening to distinct from music which helps you be productive?
12:39 < FourFire> AH, you "like to listen to music" but does it actually help?
12:39 < nmz787_i> I generally don't like story music... if the music has lyrics, while I study
12:39 < nmz787_i> also don't like listening to conversation, too distracting
12:39 < nmz787_i> FourFire: it helps depending on the mood
12:41 < nmz787_i> productivity for me is more tied to hating that I must use a keyboard and mouse for input, and that I need to sit co-planar to this rigidly-placed display screen
12:41 < nmz787_i> I can be thinking and very mentally productive, but not want to lift a damn finger... so productivity can be null in such cases
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12:58 < FourFire> nmz787_i, best prospects for BCI?
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13:05 < kanzure> so far a keyboard is the best brain-computer interface
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13:15 < FourFire> kanzure, tricky to bring outside walking though, and I hate touchscreens
13:17 < kanzure> touchscreens are not keyboards
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15:22 < nmz787_i> FourFire: I figure some sort of many-detector EEG tomography could be interesting
15:23 < nmz787_i> I also have some ideas about phase-shifted brainwaves being useful for encoding/decoding info
15:24 < nmz787_i> but I would basically need many high sample rate, low noise analog to digital converters, recording data while listening to music, thinking about that same music (playing it back in your mind's ear) and trying to match  frequency signatures or something
15:25 < nmz787_i> so far though, I haven't seen anyone recording EEG with gigahertz sample rates
15:25 < nmz787_i> which is extremely dissatisfying to me
15:26 < kanzure> https://38.media.tumblr.com/ca63616d817b3967a8ac3245d3fda224/tumblr_nc5tlfK9NY1s1vn29o1_400.gif
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15:31 < chris_99> why would you sample at such high rates nmz787_i ?
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15:47 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/blog/alcor-position-statement-on-brain-preservation-foundation-prize/http://www.alcor.org/blog/alcor-position-statement-on-brain-preservation-foundation-prize/
15:47 < kanzure> blah
15:47 < kanzure> http://www.alcor.org/blog/alcor-position-statement-on-brain-preservation-foundation-prize/
15:47 < kanzure> "Another reason for lack of interest in pursuing this approach is that it is a research dead end on the road to developing reversible tissue preservation in the nearer future."
15:47 < kanzure> that's not a great argument
15:48 < kanzure> "What we can note is that Robert McIntyre, the lead researcher on ASC at 21st Century Medicine, made a point during his presentation at the Alcor 2015 Conference of recommending against adoption of ASC in cryonics at this time."
15:48 < kanzure> "For cryonics under ideal conditions, the damage that still requires future repair is now more subtle than freezing damage. That damage is believed to be chiefly cryoprotectant toxicity and associated tissue dehydration. It’s time for cryonics debate to move past ill-informed beliefs of “cells bursting.”"
15:48 < kanzure> wait what? toxicity and dehydration are the two problems?
15:49 < kanzure> well maybe dehydration is such a big problem that it eclipses other big problems. but i feel like they would have mentioned the other ones.
15:49 < kanzure> http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/media/MBPP.pdf
15:55 < kanzure> http://www.evidencebasedcryonics.org/
15:59 < nmz787_i> chris_99: how else would you detect slow signals overlapping in phase by relatively short amount of time?
16:00 < nmz787_i> i.e. a nerve might take micro/milliseconds to fire, but if you have 10,000 firing at once in your audio-processing neural circuitry... and if its some sort of pulse-code-modulation... then you'
16:00 < nmz787_i> you'd need higher sample rate to collect all the offset data
16:01 < nmz787_i> and extending that, for something like vision...maybe you'd have even more parallel stuff going on
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16:07 < chris_99> ididn't think you could pick up high frequency components via EEG
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16:18 < nmz787_i> chris_99: as far as I know, people have always just assumed they'll see nothing interesting at higher frequencies, so they haven't checked if anything shows up
16:20 < chris_99> aha
16:23 < chris_99> i found some paper on looking for signals around 100-500Hz with eeg
16:25 < nmz787_i> yeah but that's nothing
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