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03:06 < archels> Elizabeth Parrish, CEO of BioViva, may be the first case of self-experimentation gene therapy. She
03:06 < archels> claims to have inserted extra genes for producing the proteins follistatin (causes muscle growth) and
03:06 < archels> telomerase (involved in regulating ageing) at a clinic outside the US (Regalado 2015).
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06:00 < kanzure> "How is it that some can charge $20 (or even less) and some go up to $48 or even more?" ""Then what do you think of the "American Scientific Publishers" with 113 USD + tax?" "or the books of them: example: Encyclopedia of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, 25-Volume Set, Price: $16,999.00"
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06:13 < kanzure> re: pdfparanoia performance testing, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/49
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06:26 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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06:42 < pompolic> sorry if it's nitpicking: you have a typo in the readme, in the first russian paragraph
06:42 < pompolic> it's written "pdfparania" instead of "pdfparanoia"
06:45 < kanzure> thank you, fixed
06:45 < pompolic> np :D
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08:10 < ok> http://www.pcisig.com/members/downloads/PCIe_M.2_Electromechanical_Spec_Rev1.0_Final_11012013_RS_Clean.pdf
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08:11 < chris_99> weird
08:11 < yoleaux> 00:56Z <nmz787_i> chris_99: huh, I don't think I remember hearing about quorn before... I am not sure how this escaped me... maybe they don't import the stuff into the states?
08:12 < chris_99> haha nmz787, i thought you could get it in the states too actually, but maybe not
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09:04 < JayDugger> quorn is an ingredient in some frozen foods.
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09:18 < kanzure> "I'm imagining a 10 acre array of NAND ssd memory"
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11:17 < maaku> archels: haha extra genes for muscle growth. that's brilliant
11:17 < maaku> how long until that's the standard for the MLB
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11:35 < nmz787_i1> gene enhanced players/competitors should just have their own 'class' rather than being disqualified
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12:22 < maaku> bah we should get rid of this stupid concept of policiing performance enhancement
12:23 < kanzure> then we should celebrate it
12:23 < kanzure> throw parties etc
12:23 < kanzure> "lance found to be drugged up; great let's throw a pizza party"
12:25 < maaku> not as crazy as kids taking adderall being disqualified from e.g. chess and math tournaments
12:26 < chris_99> haha
12:26 < chris_99> some people are prescribed that anyway though surely
12:27 < kanzure> normies vs adderall junkies would be an interesting chess tournament
12:28 < kanzure> with an instant death round where the adderall junkies have no more adderall
12:28 < kanzure> "I conclude there are next to no reliable ways to protect against major calamities with AI. All existing systems are already openly conspiring against such a mechanism or infrastructure." http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/suntzu20160225
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12:29 < kanzure> hooray perhaps they will stop trying to impose a moratorium on transhumanism
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13:36 < FourFire> archels,  Still haven't gotten a response from her...
13:41 < FourFire> kanzure, if you want to make an acre of NAND, first reduce the production environment requirements for a viable nand array: http://memory.oyhus.no/
13:44 < kanzure> /win 97
13:44 < kanzure> erjqeijrqoi
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14:21 < chris_99> nmz787_i1, i found videos of the venus fly trap electrostimulation thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_65wxWTocw i was reading that appaerntly theres a plant called 'waterwheel plant' that you can open/close with electricity
14:24 < kanzure> http://bjoern.brembs.net/2016/02/sci-hub-as-necessary-effective-civil-disobedience/
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14:26 < kanzure> http://cdn2.alphr.com/sites/alphr/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/2016/02/humans_wont_understand_artificial_intelligence.jpg?itok=lvJdRyjd
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14:27 < chris_99> just watching a bbc documentary were they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_block-face_scanning_electron_microscopy looks really interesting
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15:03 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: yeah its pretty sweet stuff, I've seen some talks locally (since they manufacture/design dual-beam SEM/FIBs in my neighborhood)
15:03 < chris_99> nice :)
15:04 < nmz787_i1> chris_99: there has been some really really cool infomation produced of things like geometry of brain cells... which needs much finer resolution than just connectome stuff
15:05 < chris_99> it mentions they do it for small samples right, is there soemthing similar for human sized brains
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15:07 < nmz787_i1> the problem is mostly just logistics... getting a sample chamber (vacuum, and beams usually have pretty short working distance)
15:07 < nmz787_i1> getting a sample chamber that is big enough *
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15:08 < chris_99> aha
15:11 < chris_99> i'm just wondering neurons rely on things like the flow of say potassium ions right? a SEM wouldn't be able to pick up different atoms/ions though would it?
15:11 < nmz787_i1> so yeah, you'd need a really nice XYZ gantry (which they have) but for a brain you'd need to have long travel in all directions too
15:11 < nmz787_i1> yeah you can do elemental mapping
15:11 < chris_99> you can?
15:11 < nmz787_i1> yea
15:11 < chris_99> with a SEM?
15:11 < nmz787_i1> EDS or EDX
15:11 < nmz787_i1> .wik EDX
15:11 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: EDX" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDX
15:11 < nmz787_i1> .wik EDS
15:11 < yoleaux> "Disambiguation: EDS" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDS
15:11 < nmz787_i1> heh
15:11 < chris_99> oh spectroscopy
15:12 < nmz787_i1> yeah electrons in, photons out
15:12 < nmz787_i1> (in xray region)
15:12 < chris_99> ahh
15:12 < chris_99> cool
15:12 < nmz787_i1> you can also do EELS
15:12 < nmz787_i1> .wik EELS
15:12 < yoleaux> "In electron energy loss spectroscopy (EELS) a material is exposed to a beam of electrons with a known, narrow range of kinetic energies. Some of the electrons will undergo inelastic scattering, which means that they lose energy and have their paths slightly and randomly deflected." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EELS
15:12 < nmz787_i1> or
15:12 < nmz787_i1> .wik pixe
15:12 < yoleaux> "Particle-induced X-ray emission or proton-induced X-ray emission (PIXE) is a technique used in the determining of the elemental make-up of a material or sample. When a material is exposed to an ion beam, atomic interactions occur that give off EM radiation of wavelengths in the x-ray part of the electromagnetic spectrum specific to an element." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIXE
15:12 < nmz787_i1> (using a FIB)
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15:13 < chris_99> so dumb question, after you die, theoretically would your memories still be stored in the form of ions etc. and potentially readable?
15:14 < nmz787_i1> i'd guess within some time limit
15:14 < nmz787_i1> like that princeton cold boot ram attack
15:14 < chris_99> hehe
15:14 < Proteus> no
15:14 < chris_99> why not?
15:15 < nmz787_i1> long term memories are likely more connectome related than short term would be
15:15 < kanzure> death is not really well defined
15:15 < nmz787_i1> though there is likely lots and lots of interplay
15:15 < kanzure> information-theoretic death is what you need to get rid of memory
15:15 < nmz787_i1> who knows if mRNAs also count
15:15 < chris_99> kanzure, aha good point
15:15 < Proteus> well, death can be defined as a loss of coherency
15:15 < nmz787_i1> or other non-metal molecules
15:15 < Proteus> eyah
15:16 < chris_99> kanzure, i guess i mean no EEG emission maybe
15:16 < Proteus> why do you think 'memories' are stored as 'ions'
15:16 < Proteus> what does that even mean?
15:16 < nmz787_i1> Proteus: the organization matters
15:16 < kanzure> i think there are a number of monks that screw around with EEG readouts, does that count?
15:16 < nmz787_i1> just like bits don't store information alone
15:17 < nmz787_i1> or rather a voltage
15:17 < kanzure> chris_99: at the moment we don't know how to extract memory at all, other than motor output
15:17 < kanzure> so even if someone is living we still don't know how to extract memory
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15:17 < Proteus> there's been some progress on how memories are stored, however
15:18 < chris_99> aha kanzure
15:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/DNA%20methylation%20in%20memory%20formation%20-%20emerging%20insights%20-%202015.pdf
15:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Memory%20engram%20storage%20and%20retrieval%20-%202015.pdf
15:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Optogenetic%20stimulation%20of%20a%20hippocampal%20engram%20activates%20fear%20memory%20recall%20-%202012.pdf
15:19 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Projections%20from%20neocortex%20mediate%20top-down%20control%20of%20memory%20retrieval%20-%202015.pdf
15:20 < chris_99> cheers
15:22 < Proteus> has anyone here played with tensorflow?
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15:30 < fenn> i didn't realize tensorflow was open source
15:32 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7601
15:32 < yoleaux> [WIP] HTLC implementation in the wallet by ebfull · Pull Request #7601 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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16:25 < Proteus> fenn: https://github.com/tensorflow/skflow
16:25 < Proteus> not just open source, easy to use
16:26 < Proteus> though, I'm told, not as optimized as torch and theano
16:26 < Proteus> yet
16:32 < nmz787_i1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQWTxDd4a7E
16:32 < nmz787_i1> good song
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16:44 < fenn> pretty forceful legal brief from apple rejecting fbi's proposed iphone encryption backdoor http://brokeandbroker.com/PDF/AppleMotVac190225.pdf
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16:54 < nmz787_i1> ugh, engineering change orders of partially laid out PCBs is a headscratcher
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17:28 < Proteus> fenn: thanks for this link
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19:06 < kanzure> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement-tor-project-re-courts-february-23-order-us-v-farrell
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19:20 < fenn> "Tor users clearly lack a reasonable expectation of privacy in their IP addresses while using the Tor network."  sounds like an onion article
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19:24 < kanzure> do you mean a tor onion?
19:25 < fenn> ha ha.
19:26 < fenn> no
19:27 < kanzure> "computer users lack a reasonable expectation of computing" - the judge
19:38 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11177957
19:38 < yoleaux> Sci-Hub as necessary, effective civil disobedience | Hacker News
19:38 < kanzure> http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent_notforall/
19:38 < kanzure> welp....
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