--- Log opened Mon Mar 14 00:00:59 2016 00:05 -!- poohbear [~poohbear@unaffiliated/tigger] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:05 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:05 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:06 -!- rhaps0dy [~rhaps0dy@81.4.122.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: superkuh, Diablo-D3, SDr, yoleaux, esmerelda, juul, streety, Proteus, EnabrinTain, berndj, (+69 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 00:16 -!- poohbear_ [~poohbear@unaffiliated/tigger] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- rhaps0dy_ [~rhaps0dy@81.4.122.176] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- jrayhawk_ [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- heath__ [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.160.55] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: justanotheruser, maaku, crescendo, btcdrak, yorick, kanzure, berndj, cluckj, a7b9d6e6, amiller_ (+69 more) 00:16 -!- poohbear_ is now known as poohbear 00:34 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:46 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.160.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:7520:85e9:adbf:b59b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- TOB1 [~ObitO@41.101.164.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:49 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:48 -!- rhaps0dy_ is now known as rhaps0dy 03:27 -!- TOB1 [~ObitO@41.101.164.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:00 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:21 < fenn> pasky you can substitute centrifugal force for gravity 05:22 < fenn> so you get the best of both worlds 05:23 < fenn> i bet Neptune Properties is a rival of Poseidon Industrial 05:25 < pasky> yeah i realized that shortly after asking the question and going away from irc :) 05:27 < fenn> "the sword and the helix" is a nice post-earth novel about the implications of genetic engineering and space colonization 05:27 < fenn> er, "the helix and the sword" 05:30 < fenn> there are also some industrial processes that are just not feasible on earth, like containerless melting, molecular beam epitaxy 05:30 < fenn> lunar glass is rumored to be 100x stronger than normal fiberglass because of its low water content 05:32 < fenn> but the real kicker is the ease with which you can deploy solar collectors 06:07 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-23-192.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:13 -!- jtimon [~quassel@35.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:55 < JayDugger> John macLaughlin's The Helix and the Sword, right? 06:56 < JayDugger> Written before the Cold War ended, and it shows. 06:57 < JayDugger> His other novel, Toolmaker Koan, isn't quite as good, but has a slightly higher concept. 06:58 < JayDugger> H&S reads as a bit of a Dune pastiche, but without the silly Arrakis=Arabia metaphor and all the half-baked conspiracy theories. 06:58 < JayDugger> s/MacL/mcl/ 06:59 < JayDugger> I'm impressed fenn. You count as the third person I've met who has read that book. 07:10 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r167-56-23-192.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:11 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.163.227] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 < kanzure> FourFire: i don't know what you would consider to be "signal" in sleep-typing output 07:58 < FourFire> kanzure, anything that matches what you were trying to find when you decided to initiate the experiment 07:58 < kanzure> i wasn't expecting much at all 07:58 < FourFire> also, I'm fixing a laser printer now... 07:58 < kanzure> whole thing sounded colossaly stupid to me 07:59 < kanzure> but fwiw yes i have continued... most recently, let me look... 07:59 < kanzure> "reveal the underlying onion derivatives of the situation" 07:59 < kanzure> "tje nacli[s are pm tjeor way tale cpver jp;d pm we" 08:00 < kanzure> "the florist had no idea what do o.... but it was hist mistake so he was willing to pay for this or offer it for free." 08:00 < kanzure> "that's why this case is over? i think these weddings are a dead end. but someone should discuss them. have you continued to observe the italian doctor. [...] i brought only one, my friend was like don't ACK me on that. so fine." 08:00 < kanzure> "a deal with amr... or a cron job. anden i had an old cr, okay? i had an old one. went rfrom 0 to 60... yeah but amoun t was not the question." 08:01 < kanzure> "that spider will be all over those eggs like a spider to those eggs" 08:01 < kanzure> stuff like that 08:01 < cluckj> lol 08:01 < FourFire> did you succeed in writing a translator for misaligned typing? 08:02 < FourFire> also, truncate any key that repeats more than three times to a single char? 08:03 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.163.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04 < kanzure> nope i haven't written anything to fix misalignments 08:11 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.137] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:22 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:25 < fenn> frank herbert had an interesting idea about towing huge bags of fresh water around behind ships 08:25 < fenn> transport is a lot cheaper than desalination 08:31 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_the_Sea 08:35 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:01 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ccijzxphvyllewyf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:15 < maaku> kanzure: you have far more interesting dreams than me 09:18 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-ccijzxphvyllewyf] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:44 -!- TOB1 [~ObitO@41.101.164.137] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:46 -!- T0BI [~ObitO@41.101.164.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:51 < archels_> anyone have some good CV templates? 09:53 -!- BobaMa [bobama@kapsi.fi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:56 < cluckj> nope 09:56 < cluckj> find someone whose job you want, and use theirs as a template 09:58 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@bzq-109-65-130-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:59 < kanzure> archels_: post an ad on craigslist for the job that you want to hire for (e.g. offer employment), ask people to send resumes, then look at all the resumes you receive and copy the best one. 10:00 < cluckj> that's not very nice 10:04 < archels_> haha 10:15 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:37 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-fhuedpkxissdhjtb] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:811e:ccf3:d6c8:5f60:2403:6d91] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- andares [~andares@2607:fb90:811e:ccf3:d6c8:5f60:2403:6d91] has quit [Changing host] 10:46 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-fhuedpkxissdhjtb] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:48 -!- esmerelda [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:50 < archels_> this one is not so critical, I actually just want to volunteer for a conference so I can get out from paying the registration fee 10:57 -!- hazirafel [~hazirafel@bzq-109-65-130-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 < cluckj> they need a cv for you to volunteer? I didn't realize working at the registration desk was so competitive 11:03 -!- fleshtheworld [~fleshthew@2602:306:cf0f:4c20:9514:c690:37d9:472b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:23 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.24.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:24 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30 -!- Aurelius_Work [~cpopell@209.48.69.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-quxhpemvcyvnnszg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:30 < FourFire> What advice re: nootropics do people have? 13:30 < FourFire> I've been avoiding even coffee for the duration of my life, but I'm experiencing mental performance deficits and am interested now. 13:31 -!- Mori4rty [~smuxi@79-71-91-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:32 < maaku> advice is to take it slowly an experiment with one at a time 13:34 -!- Mori4rty [~smuxi@79-71-91-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:34 < FourFire> ok, so I tried a single child dose of methylphenidate, two days in a row and experienced great increased agency, but sufferered *not worth it* side effects for over a month afterwards 13:36 < maaku> microdosing sometimes alleviates side effects (on my list of things to try is microdosing LSD on my GTD review or architectural design days, when I do my creative work) 13:36 < pasky> if you've been avoiding even coffee et al., i think caffeine could be pretty powerful, at least that was my experience 13:36 < maaku> but by take it slow and simple I meant, e.g. try Theanine + Caffeine 13:37 < FourFire> maaku, so tea? 13:38 < pasky> (I only started taking caffeine - in the club mate form - about 5 years ago and it was initially wow) 13:38 < maaku> FourFire: if that is your preferred intake methodology. you could play with the mix of theanine/caffeine and intake speed and see what helps with minimal/no side effects 13:38 < kanzure> a friend of mine wants to become the willy wonka of advil manufacturing 13:38 < kanzure> to help him deal with all the ugh in software engineering 13:38 < pasky> (so caffeine + sugar; sugar also works pretty well for me, from the mundane stuff category) 13:39 < FourFire> I'd prefer to avoid sugar due to genetic propensity for diabetes in my family. 13:39 < kanzure> you should all just take giant piles of adderall 13:40 < maaku> kanzure: working on it 13:40 < kanzure> and don't just hob some off your kids or something :P 13:41 * maaku lines up psychatrist appointments for my kids 13:42 < maaku> Also, minimizing exposure to workflow distraction (Slack must die) does more than any drug I've tried. 13:43 < maaku> .title http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/03/01/2016-nootropics-survey-results/ 13:43 < yoleaux> 2016 Nootropics Survey Results | Slate Star Codex 13:43 < maaku> .title https://www.gwern.net/Nootropics 13:43 < yoleaux> Nootropics - Gwern.net 13:43 < kanzure> maaku: slack has to be managed just like any other communication channel... 13:44 < kanzure> maaku: reward the slack users when they bring high-signal content to you, and then depart when they are noisy assholes. 13:48 < pasky> I never got the hang of slack, I guess the only way for me is some sort of IRC gateway 13:50 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@eju175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:54 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00 < FourFire> maaku, read both of those 14:01 < maaku> pasky: slack has absolutely no purpose if you are able to use IRC 14:05 < kanzure> slack has much better onboarding than irc.... easy to suck people in when they only have to click once. 14:07 < Mori4rty> Slack is good. You're missing out. 14:07 < pasky> except that they click on some weird herokuapp that sends them an invite and then they need to make an account at your slack 14:08 < Mori4rty> But never fear! I am working on open source Slack clone 14:09 < fenn> i can't tell if that's supposed to be ironic 14:11 < fenn> fourfire i suggest piracetam with your caffeine 14:12 < fenn> and go easy on the caffeine, most people have built up huge tolerances 14:12 < FourFire> Mori4rty, don't open source slack clones already exist? 14:12 < Mori4rty> not any good ones. 14:12 < Mori4rty> and not peer to peer and distributed and good encrypted 14:13 < FourFire> Mori4rty, http://www.mattermost.org/ ? 14:13 < fenn> surely wikipedia has a matrix of chat protocols and their features 14:14 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients 14:14 < FourFire> something tasty is sure to be on this list: http://alternativeto.net/software/slack/?license=opensource 14:16 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols 14:21 < nmz787_i1> methamphetamine beats adderall 14:21 < nmz787_i1> CH3 in the house y'all 14:23 < cluckj> FourFire eating sugar doesn't give you diabetes 14:23 < fenn> it doesn't? 14:24 * FourFire has preferences towards less illegal nootropics 14:24 < nmz787_i1> meth isn't illegal 14:24 < nmz787_i1> just hard to get 14:24 < nmz787_i1> at least in the USA 14:24 < fenn> umm 14:24 < fenn> it's only hard to get legally 14:24 < nmz787_i1> I guess it isn't a nootropic though if it requires a prescription? 14:25 < fenn> illegally it's easier than seeing a doctor :( 14:25 -!- archels_ is now known as archels 14:25 -!- archels [charl@toad.stack.nl] has quit [Changing host] 14:25 -!- archels [charl@unaffiliated/archels] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:25 < nmz787_i1> yeah but I hope no one in here wants untraceable question-mark powder 14:25 < nmz787_i1> powder/crystals 14:25 < nmz787_i1> that raman spectrometer kickstarter bailed, so we don't have raman spectrometers in our pockets to test such things... yet 14:27 < fenn> what happened to sci.o or whatever 14:27 < nmz787_i1> yeah that's the bogus one 14:27 < fenn> it was IR spectrometry not raman 14:27 < nmz787_i1> they de-rated their specs to do NIR 14:28 < nmz787_i1> well maybe it wasn't them that started as raman 14:28 < fenn> it was never raman 14:28 < nmz787_i1> but some other kickstarter did, and then downgraded to NIR 14:29 < nmz787_i1> "The device greatly resembles another recent crowdfunding project, TellSpec, which raised $386,000 last year. TellSpec originally planned to use Raman spectrometry, but has since switched to near-infrared spectrometry, the same technology SCiO is sporting" 14:29 < fenn> you can use marquis reagent to test questionable powders 14:30 < nmz787_i1> that is a very limited tes 14:30 < nmz787_i1> test 14:31 < fenn> i don't know what all these do but surely they're useful for something: https://dancesafe.org/product-category/testing-kits-individual/ 14:35 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycjwiejqtphabeze] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:36 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:24 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:24 -!- jaboja [~jaboja@eju175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14 -!- poohbear is now known as bearbutts 17:21 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kemkootdeszztpgw] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 -!- nmz787_i1 [~ntmccork@134.134.139.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:00 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycjwiejqtphabeze] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:03 -!- Houshalter [~Houshalte@oh-71-50-63-56.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:33 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 19:51 -!- Gurkenglas [Gurkenglas@dslb-188-106-113-006.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kemkootdeszztpgw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:10 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-145-169-161.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-54-234-163-230.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:32 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-srevqaewkkhjfbgl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:38 -!- sandeepkr__ [~sandeep@111.235.64.4] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:50 -!- Mori4rty [~smuxi@79-71-91-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52 -!- abetusk [~abram@c-98-216-104-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:08 -!- Mori4rty [~smuxi@79-71-91-37.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:13 -!- nmz787_i [ntmccork@nat/intel/x-srevqaewkkhjfbgl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:14 -!- nmz787_i [~ntmccork@134.134.139.72] has quit [Client Quit] 22:55 -!- bearbutts is now known as poohbear 22:58 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2602:306:35fa:d500:f5e0:f867:a11d:8d52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 -!- ArturShaik [~ArturShai@212.97.24.134] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:32 -!- augur_ [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38 -!- augur [~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:53 -!- PatrickRobotham [uid18270@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frfgzdfxsxepkzbg] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Mar 15 00:00:00 2016